High-society woman shot dead by Swiss husband: police

[katana]

There is no reason for anyone to own a gun. Private ownership should be illegal. This tragedy would most likely have been averted. Ban them.

Or a knife, bow and arrows, hammers, axes, cars and anything that the glorious people's republic democratic state deems a weapon eh?

Get real - they apparently argued and he killed her. If there wasn't a gun he'd have used another method. He was mentally unstable.

Any excuse and the ban gun state control brigade come out.

The problem with the easy access to guns is the mass killings you get where some nut goes on a spree killing random people eg the recent Elliot Roger case in Isla Vista, California or the numerous school killings by a disaffected pupil. These occur regularly in the USA but in eg the UK with much stricter gun control, the deranged person invariably ends up having to use eg a knife and far less people are killed as a result.

[Thai at Heart]

I think you may find that there is a far greater likelihood of someone who is used to handling a gun, being capablenof quickly murdering someone with a gun, in a fit of rage than searching for a carving knife and stabbing them

This is likely a crime of passion. Guns and passion definitely don't mix

Back to the actions of what he is doing; which raises my point. He was mental, wanted to end her. Could be any item if you're a nut. Not just a gun.

Possible.

What odds of her surviving if there hadn't been a gun in the house? Better or worse?

Unless he was a skilled knife thrower she could have just run away. People don't tend to be able to outrun bullets.

It's all moot. The poor pair of them are dead, but nonetheless, this people kill people arguement is utterly bogus.

Most people killed with knives and other bladed weapons are stabbed, slashed and / or hacked to death. Very few die from a knife being thrown. Running away is for sure the best defense against a bladed attack -but you need to be able to escape; and be quick! Some good videos on Youtube show the realities of a knife attack with even experienced police being caught.

If he was intent on killing her he would find away - gun, knife, blunt instrument, strangle etc,; although you make a valid point about a gun being available.

A gun is a tool and like all tools can be used in the wrong way. A gun on its own never killed anyone though. A person is required to load ammunition and pull the trigger.

Some nutters have used petrol to set victims on fire or acids to attack others. Do you blame the people or the chemicals?

All sorts of people snap, and if guns are available, can make for a very quick and speedy end for oneself or another.

Yes, people can use all sorts of ways to kill someone, however its probably a worthwhile debate whether someone having a momentary rage finds it equally as easy to kill someone with a knife as a gun.

I say not, so I believe that if guns aren't quite so prevelant in houses, it becomes relativt harder to kill someone and also increase the survival rate of a victim.

This also becomes even more relevant in an apartment with security.

The odds of an intruder are slim. So, if there hadn't been a gun available, she would have had a much greater chance of survival, as might he.

He might have tried to cut his wrists, but that is considerably easier to survive than a bullet to the face I have found.

[TPI]

There is no reason for anyone to own a gun. Private ownership should be illegal. This tragedy would most likely have been averted. Ban them.

Nonsense! England, after banning all handguns now has a very serious problem with illegal firearm use! They only effectivly banned the legal ones! Bad guys don't care.

I liked you a lot better when you only defended Taksin!

[Prbkk]

There is no reason for anyone to own a gun. Private ownership should be illegal. This tragedy would most likely have been averted. Ban them.

Or a knife, bow and arrows, hammers, axes, cars and anything that the glorious people's republic democratic state deems a weapon eh?

Get real - they apparently argued and he killed her. If there wasn't a gun he'd have used another method. He was mentally unstable.

Any excuse and the ban gun state control brigade come out.

Those who do harm to others prefer unarmed victims.

Arming oneself brought the crime rate down in Chicago, as it is a means of defense. What is it with all these people who want to be servants of the state? Frickin sad to be such a willingly mindless passive toddler, eh?

Take away the ability of people to protect themselves and they become more reliant on the state, easily controlled and more willing to accept other limitations on their freedoms.

The wise men who drew up the American constitution understood this.

If the Swiss guy had attacked his wife and she had shot and killed him in self defense, would the anti gun lobby be condemning that too?

The wise men drafted the constitution in a very different time and place. They would be mortified to hear the limp justifications used citing their rationale for circumstances that were relevant more than 200 years ago.

[DekDaeng]

There is no reason for anyone to own a gun. Private ownership should be illegal. This tragedy would most likely have been averted. Ban them.

Or a knife, bow and arrows, hammers, axes, cars and anything that the glorious people's republic democratic state deems a weapon eh?

Get real - they apparently argued and he killed her. If there wasn't a gun he'd have used another method. He was mentally unstable.

Any excuse and the ban gun state control brigade come out.

The problem with the easy access to guns is the mass killings you get where some nut goes on a spree killing random people eg the recent Elliot Roger case in Isla Vista, California or the numerous school killings by a disaffected pupil. These occur regularly in the USA but in eg the UK with much stricter gun control, the deranged person invariably ends up having to use eg a knife and far less people are killed as a result.

Same day as the Sandy Hook Massacre (26 killed) a farmer went mad in China, and knifed 22 kids in a school.

None died.

[SinCityGr8One]

You know, in UK, handguns are banned. Very few firearms aren't banned. What does an honest person need a handgun in his house for?

I am not advocating one way or another, but if there were no guns in that house, then there is a good chance we wouldn't be reading this report.

One more thing? A SIX floor condominium? Good luck to them for living in one, but I didn't know such things existed

Would it have made a difference if he killed her with a Golf Club? Or a Bowling Ball? Or a cast iron skillet? He could have used one of them them jumped off the 6 story condo roof! Yeah, handguns are banned in the UK for the general civilian population. It's only the crooks, and gangsters that have them. Most of the killings in the UK are by Knife attacks and stabbings.anyway. A hand gun is a tool to defend your self and your family from a threat. Better to have one and not need it than need it and not have one. Sorry, but gun control to me is a steady aim. And Yes, there are several multi story condo's in that area. The Family that own TOA lives in a 10 story private condominium. RIP to the both of them. May they find Peace on the other side.

[The Deerhunter]

Two more deaths added to the statistics that (excluding war zones) most people who are killed by guns are killed by a gun owned by someone in their own household.

RIP the couple and condolences to their families.

Absolutely rabid antigun propaganda. In the USA & UK most gun deaths are associated with crime. drug turf, gang turf, robberies etc.

That aside. RIP to the people. Pity she didn't heed the warnings. Mental illness & access to weapons of any type are a bad mix

[belg]

a gun or a knife or a hammer or poison or just using his hands ...

if you want someone dead, someone that picks the blood from under your nails, someone that pretends to know everything better and never listen to advice

yes i can imagine that one day, you snap and end it all

[Heng]

BTW, you can have a multiple floor condo within a building, especially if you know the developer and were involved from the planning stages (where your custom plans get built into the project). Considering who was involved here, it'd wouldn't be too out of the ordinary.

[PHP87]

You know, in UK, handguns are banned. Very few firearms aren't banned. What does an honest person need a handgun in his house for?

I am not advocating one way or another, but if there were no guns in that house, then there is a good chance we wouldn't be reading this report.

One more thing? A SIX floor condominium? Good luck to them for living in one, but I didn't know such things existed

For dishonest people. The kind that will take your life for an iPhone.

[PHP87]

Two more deaths added to the statistics that (excluding war zones) most people who are killed by guns are killed by a gun owned by someone in their own household.

RIP the couple and condolences to their families.

Utter BS.

If you are quoting the Kellerman study, it has long been debunked.

[PHP87]

You know, in UK, handguns are banned. Very few firearms aren't banned. What does an honest person need a handgun in his house for?

I am not advocating one way or another, but if there were no guns in that house, then there is a good chance we wouldn't be reading this report.

One more thing? A SIX floor condominium? Good luck to them for living in one, but I didn't know such things existed

People kill; a gun is just a tool. If its not a gun they will find something else if they want to kill their spouse and have mental problems.

Blaming guns is an intellectually lazy argument for intellectually lazy people.

[ILOOKFORWORK]

A suspicious Thai family banking murder.

Photographs of the crime scene make it highly unlikely that the story the press and family are telling is what actually happened. The stats related to murder suicides indicate that this had very few characteristics of such a case. The man likely didn't do this action, but is rather a planned scapegoat. The family has also reported at least 2 conflicting details within their stories, based on what has been reported on the television news and the printed news. The online Thai news sites were reporting this as a murder suicide only 2 hours after it occurred, making it even more fishy. The physical crime scene evidence gathering and analysis, followed by the autopsies would normally take at least a few days before anything could even begin to be concluded - and even at that stage, it is very preliminary. This was a case in which the police obviously reported the family's word of mouth as irrefutable evidence, in spite of seeing clear physical evidence that would support otherwise. But it's only 6 days and the cremation of the lady has already occurred. These types of cases are not so rare to be honest. I feel absolutely terrible for their only daughter, who is 14 years old. Truths very often have remarkable ways of eventually revealing themselves, regardless of the circumstances of an event or whoever was or wasn't involved.

[ILOOKFORWORK]

"Get real - they apparently argued and he killed her. If there wasn't a gun he'd have used another method. He was mentally unstable."

Have you seen the crime scene evidence? If you had, I don't believe you would make that statement.

[metisdead]

Some offensive posts and replies have been removed as well as off topic posts and replies.

[ILOOKFORWORK]

High-society woman shot dead by Swiss husband: police

"High society"? What is it with the need to label people like this?

The Swiss husband died too, but this is mentioned only at line 5 of the article

It's all about "face" and "perceived status".

Yes it is... And it's also about sometimes hiding things from people who are outside the family circles

[ILOOKFORWORK]

Are they sure the husband killed his wife and then himself with the gun? Is it not possible that she killed him and then herself? After all, it was her gun.

Fair point, but if the statement from the security guard in the later news report in this thread can be believed, that seems unlikely:

"...The condominium’s chief security guard, Wacharin Sukthongsa, told police he was driving his car immediately before the killings and saw Castellazzi fire several rounds from his balcony, one of which hit Mr Wacharin's car..."

Simon43, Good, at least you're thinking about this much more realistically than the media. Many people know the official news story isn't reliable in this particular case

[macka17]

Again here

ex UK army live in AUstralia for 40+ yrs.

ALL my kids and the 9 granddaughters use and know how to handle\reload my weapons.

from the Pump 12 (illegal now) through the 30-06 to a .22 auto.

If all households were trained in weapon handling. Trying to weed out the mentally unsuitable in the process.

There's be a lot less breakins and rapes.

All weapons are only wood\steel and a bit of bang powder. It's YOU that makes it dangerous.

A bruised big toe when you drop it. is about the limit any of them can do without somebody behind the trigger.

I believe Sweden\Norway, (Used to) have everybody conscripted for 12\24 months then every household has a rifle in there.

That's a great idea..

You can have a great deal of pleasure from weapons when used correctly.

Whether hunting. Target practice. Or like us. Long range Roo shooting

600yds min. 30-06 and some Magnums. Head shots only count.

You'd often move back, away from targets to get range.

Was great fun. Having different loads and Pills to suit the conditions.

[ttnice30]

Lamsam family are the major shareholders of Bangkok Bank?

Sophonpanich are the shareholders of Bangkok Bank btw.

[MexicanFarang]

Didn't another Hi-so just get shot in a murder/suicide by a Farang a couple months ago?

It's only November, too early for reruns...

[Jim walker]

he might have skipped his medication for a bit and then her leaving just threw him over the edge and I am all for guns being banned if she were not allowed to own a gun then they would have both still been alive to finish off the argument from yesterday RIP sad story of death in Thailand by gun crime once again

[hughben]

Just watched the video of the police entering and discovering the scene on liveleak.

Where she lay, she had her bag open with clothes next to it. Sad.

[balo]

Why did this hi so lady from one of the richest families in Bangkok live with a mentally ill westerner? Because she loved him ? Not because of the money thats for sure, If she knew he was ill why didnt she just leave him or mkee sure he could get psychiatric help .

[Patsycat]

The Swiss also do military service. My ex had his rifle under the bed. But they take a bit out of it so it cannot be used, unless on the firing range.

[Kwasaki]

The Swiss also do military service. My ex had his rifle under the bed. But they take a bit out of it so it cannot be used, unless on the firing range.

Yep firing pin.

[englishoak]

Why did this hi so lady from one of the richest families in Bangkok live with a mentally ill westerner? Because she loved him ? Not because of the money thats for sure, If she knew he was ill why didnt she just leave him or mkee sure he could get psychiatric help .

Hes probably seem normal by Thai men standards.

[MobileContent]

Lamsam family are the major shareholders of Bangkok Bank?

Sophonpanich are the shareholders of Bangkok Bank btw.

Correct and the Lamsam family controls Kasikorn Bank and also have an interest in that Life Insurance company and Phatra Capital.