Popular Post 7by7 Posted August 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2014 the guys with the wholesome public images are the sick perverts. So you have already judged Cliff Richard and found him guilty? In the UK we have trial by jury to determine whether or not someone is guilty; not the lynch mob. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nontabury Posted August 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2014 the guys with the wholesome public images are the sick perverts. So you have already judged Cliff Richard and found him guilty? In the UK we have trial by jury to determine whether or not someone is guilty; not the lynch mob. Maybe some of these TV members would prefer for those accused to be tried by the dunking chair Or by being forced to walk on hot cinders. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Bear Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 The whole country, well those that are not shackled by the "prove it" crap have been waiting on this swine being pulled in It's absolutely no surprise to most he's now being looked at He's an evil scumbag and I hope he gets life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thonglorjimmy Posted August 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2014 The whole country, well those that are not shackled by the "prove it" crap have been waiting on this swine being pulled in It's absolutely no surprise to most he's now being looked at He's an evil scumbag and I hope he gets life Wow, you don't mince your words.When you say the whole country "have been waiting on this swine being pulled in", on what do you base your assumption about the whole country? Do you have some evidence to back up your sweeping view? When you talk about the "prove it crap" are you really saying we should dispense with a fair trial whereby a jury hears and weighs up the evidence, you know the sort of thing most civilised countries do. What would you do if somebody made similar accusations against you, just say "OK because I've been accused of a crime there's no need for any of this prove it crap, just lock me up, I'm actually innocent but what does that matter?". On what do you base your comment that "he's an evil scumbag and I hope he gets life"? Do you have some solid evidence that's not in the public domain? If the police decide there is evidence that he has committed a crime, then of course that evidence should be put before a jury, it's for them to decide if he's guilty or not, not some keyboard warriors half way round the world, if allegations are then proven, it's for a judge to decide on the appropriate sentence, not you or I. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 the guys with the wholesome public images are the sick perverts. So you have already judged Cliff Richard and found him guilty? In the UK we have trial by jury to determine whether or not someone is guilty; not the lynch mob. It's a pity we don't just move over to the lynch mob system, it would be much cheaper. I would never be on the receiving end of it as I would be well qualified to lead the mob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Offensive response to a valid argument removed, hiding behind the <deleted> button, doesn't let you off the hook. If you cannot respond in an appropriate way, then please don't post. (7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed.(8) You will not post disruptive or inflammatory messages, vulgarities, obscenities or profanities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Plenty of conspiratorial reading material here: http://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/the-elm-guest-house-vip-paedophile-party-list/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperx Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 This whole affair has gone out of control IMHO. Smells a bit like the communism nonsense in America in the 50's or the inquisition. People being accused of criminal offences for the purpose of a payoff after so many years just does not sit well with me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Bear Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 This whole affair has gone out of control IMHO. Smells a bit like the communism nonsense in America in the 50's or the inquisition. People being accused of criminal offences for the purpose of a payoff after so many years just does not sit well with me Are you aware people are going to jail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes they go to jail after theire been convicted and had a trial. Not all dirty, old men are paedos , not even in Pattaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherOneAmerican Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 This whole affair has gone out of control IMHO. Smells a bit like the communism nonsense in America in the 50's or the inquisition. People being accused of criminal offences for the purpose of a payoff after so many years just does not sit well with me Are you now, or have you ever been a pedophile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 You go too far AOA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 You go too far AOA! Too far from what CM ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes they go to jail after theire been convicted and had a trial. Not all dirty, old men are paedos , not even in Pattaya. They are if they abuse children, and it's for this that Richard is being investigated, not spanking Sue Barker with a pair of marigolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes they go to jail after theire been convicted and had a trial. Not all dirty, old men are paedos , not even in Pattaya. They are if they abuse children, and it's for this that Richard is being investigated, not spanking Sue Barker with a pair of marigolds. Now there's a mental image that cannot be unssen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 You go too far AOA! Too far from what CM ? There's a couple of posters here who advocate waiting to see if he's actually guilty before he's executed and who are in favor of due process, I'm one of them - if we do away with that process or undermine it, the judicial world turns into hastily arranged kangaroo courts and summary judgement, similar to Thailand currently where mob rule beats and frequently kills people who cause a road traffic accident or other crime. There's then another single poster who when he sees such comments, is immediately convinced such people are pedo's or sick individuals, personally I think that person may be unwell or lacking comprehension skills! So when another poster says, "People being accused of criminal offences for the purpose of a payoff after so many years just does not sit well with me", it's a step over the line to ask that person if they are a pedo'", it's unnecessarily proactive, suggestively accusatory and typical of that poster to be destructive rather than constructive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonytigerbkk Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 You go too far AOA! Too far from what CM ? There's a couple of posters here who advocate waiting to see if he's actually guilty before he's executed and who are in favor of due process, I'm one of them - if we do away with that process or undermine it, the judicial world turns into hastily arranged kangaroo courts and summary judgement, similar to Thailand currently where mob rule beats and frequently kills people who cause a road traffic accident or other crime. There's then another single poster who when he sees such comments, is immediately convinced such people are pedo's or sick individuals, personally I think that person may be unwell or lacking comprehension skills! So when another poster says, "People being accused of criminal offences for the purpose of a payoff after so many years just does not sit well with me", it's a step over the line to ask that person if they are a pedo'", it's unnecessarily proactive, suggestively accusatory and typical of that poster to be destructive rather than constructive. Cm, I don't think that AOA was trying to be offensive but was playing on the words that often rang out during the McCarthy witch hunt ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?"). In other words, I think that AOA was agreeing with slipperx that the situation mirrors the McCarthy commie witch hunt of the 50s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 You go too far AOA! Too far from what CM ? There's a couple of posters here who advocate waiting to see if he's actually guilty before he's executed and who are in favor of due process, I'm one of them - if we do away with that process or undermine it, the judicial world turns into hastily arranged kangaroo courts and summary judgement, similar to Thailand currently where mob rule beats and frequently kills people who cause a road traffic accident or other crime. There's then another single poster who when he sees such comments, is immediately convinced such people are pedo's or sick individuals, personally I think that person may be unwell or lacking comprehension skills! So when another poster says, "People being accused of criminal offences for the purpose of a payoff after so many years just does not sit well with me", it's a step over the line to ask that person if they are a pedo'", it's unnecessarily proactive, suggestively accusatory and typical of that poster to be destructive rather than constructive. Cm, I don't think that AOA was trying to be offensive but was playing on the words that often rang out during the McCarthy witch hunt ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?"). In other words, I think that AOA was agreeing with slipperx that the situation mirrors the McCarthy commie witch hunt of the 50s. If indeed that was the intent, I stand corrected and I apologize to AOA, I didn't see that connection at the time. I would hope however that he will understand my nervousness on this point given the barrage of "hang 'em high, now" comments at the start of the thread and the personal slurs seen since against people advocating due process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Hang 'em High crowd does have some justification on their side because a certain man who liked "Summer Holidays" made no secret of the fact he was a "Rent Boy" (male prostitute) in his younger days. It has also been psychologically proven that those that were abused as children or teenagers are most likely to return the favour in their adult years. So Franky I believe your testicles will remain attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Hang 'em High crowd does have some justification on their side because a certain man who liked "Summer Holidays" made no secret of the fact he was a "Rent Boy" (male prostitute) in his younger days. Provide proof what you say is true, a link from a reliable source to confirm your accusation, not interested in reading some nobody's blog, please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 It has also been psychologically proven that those that were abused as children or teenagers are most likely to return the favour in their adult years. Again, provide proof, it's OK with me if you want to spout off with unproven comments and accusations about various folks, but please, state that's what you are doing you're doing upfront otherwise some people may think you are serious!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperx Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 This whole affair has gone out of control IMHO. Smells a bit like the communism nonsense in America in the 50's or the inquisition. People being accused of criminal offences for the purpose of a payoff after so many years just does not sit well with me Are you now, or have you ever been a pedophile? Don't be absurd - you have however made my point exactly - just like the inquisition with about as much sense as the people doing that questioning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperx Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 This whole affair has gone out of control IMHO. Smells a bit like the communism nonsense in America in the 50's or the inquisition. People being accused of criminal offences for the purpose of a payoff after so many years just does not sit well with meAre you aware people are going to jail? Yes - they burned witches too but popular opinion gradually changed along with the law. I have three children myself so I detest people that prey on kids as much as you do and maybe even more. The point is if I knew someone was interfering with mine, and assuming I could restrain myself from violence, then I would use every endeavor to bring them to justice swiftly - not 40 years later because there might be a pot of gold at the end. That is my point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Hang 'em High crowd does have some justification on their side because a certain man who liked "Summer Holidays" made no secret of the fact he was a "Rent Boy" (male prostitute) in his younger days. Provide proof what you say is true, a link from a reliable source to confirm your accusation, not interested in reading some nobody's blog, please. How is it ever likely there would be news on anything other than someone's blog when over the years there have been many controversial stories about his background but within hours of the story about to be printed his lawyers usually started legal proceedings for libel and thousands of copies of the newspaper were recalled and pulped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Hang 'em High crowd does have some justification on their side because a certain man who liked "Summer Holidays" made no secret of the fact he was a "Rent Boy" (male prostitute) in his younger days. Provide proof what you say is true, a link from a reliable source to confirm your accusation, not interested in reading some nobody's blog, please. How is it ever likely there would be news on anything other than someone's blog when over the years there have been many controversial stories about his background but within hours of the story about to be printed his lawyers usually started legal proceedings for libel and thousands of copies of the newspaper were recalled and pulped. Well said AT I've looked for links but can't find them but stories of his rent boy past were all over the newspapers in the '60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Hang 'em High crowd does have some justification on their side because a certain man who liked "Summer Holidays" made no secret of the fact he was a "Rent Boy" (male prostitute) in his younger days. Provide proof what you say is true, a link from a reliable source to confirm your accusation, not interested in reading some nobody's blog, please. How is it ever likely there would be news on anything other than someone's blog when over the years there have been many controversial stories about his background but within hours of the story about to be printed his lawyers usually started legal proceedings for libel and thousands of copies of the newspaper were recalled and pulped. Once again, give me proof via a reliable professional link that what you're saying is supported and true and not just yap yap. You seem to have lots of inside knowledge, prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Hang 'em High crowd does have some justification on their side because a certain man who liked "Summer Holidays" made no secret of the fact he was a "Rent Boy" (male prostitute) in his younger days. Provide proof what you say is true, a link from a reliable source to confirm your accusation, not interested in reading some nobody's blog, please. How is it ever likely there would be news on anything other than someone's blog when over the years there have been many controversial stories about his background but within hours of the story about to be printed his lawyers usually started legal proceedings for libel and thousands of copies of the newspaper were recalled and pulped. Well said AT I've looked for links but can't find them but stories of his rent boy past were all over the newspapers in the '60s. Please search and produce a couple: http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) The Hang 'em High crowd does have some justification on their side because a certain man who liked "Summer Holidays" made no secret of the fact he was a "Rent Boy" (male prostitute) in his younger days.Provide proof what you say is true, a link from a reliable source to confirm your accusation, not interested in reading some nobody's blog, please. How is it ever likely there would be news on anything other than someone's blog when over the years there have been many controversial stories about his background but within hours of the story about to be printed his lawyers usually started legal proceedings for libel and thousands of copies of the newspaper were recalled and pulped. Well said AT I've looked for links but can't find them but stories of his rent boy past were all over the newspapers in the '60s. Really ? I don't believe you, show me the evidence then. If it really were all over the newspapers in the 60's it shouldnt be so hard to find some articles about it in the archives of The Sun or Daily Mirror. Edited August 21, 2014 by balo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 How is it ever likely there would be news on anything other than someone's blog when over the years there have been many controversial stories about his background but within hours of the story about to be printed his lawyers usually started legal proceedings for libel and thousands of copies of the newspaper were recalled and pulped. Well said AT I've looked for links but can't find them but stories of his rent boy past were all over the newspapers in the '60s. Really ? I don't believe you, show me the evidence then. If it really were all over the newspapers in the 60's it shouldnt be so hard to find some articles about it in the archives of The Sun or Daily Mirror. ha ha what is the point ? even the Daily Mirror isn’t acceptable as a source to chiang mai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 How is it ever likely there would be news on anything other than someone's blog when over the years there have been many controversial stories about his background but within hours of the story about to be printed his lawyers usually started legal proceedings for libel and thousands of copies of the newspaper were recalled and pulped. Well said AT I've looked for links but can't find them but stories of his rent boy past were all over the newspapers in the '60s. Really ? I don't believe you, show me the evidence then. If it really were all over the newspapers in the 60's it shouldnt be so hard to find some articles about it in the archives of The Sun or Daily Mirror. ha ha what is the point ? even the Daily Mirror isn’t acceptable as a source to chiang mai. I'll take any newspaper article over your word alone, even the National Enquirer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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