Reverting back to Siam to "save face"

[90dayz]

In two to three decades from now, when the tides turn for the worse or SHTF; would you expect a move by the then-government in power to draft a new constitution proclaiming a Siamese state and identity instead of a Thai one? The latter's name has been spoiled and soiled over decades of time. When you mention Thailand beyond these borders, less-than-flattering ideas come to people's minds. Remember, one of the reasons Siam became Thailand was to save face from being seen as backwards. And the country's participation on the Axis side gave it all the more reasons to make such a move. So what do expect or think the chances are?

[90dayz]

Should a rural-dominated counter-revolutionary movement grow in numbers (though not necessarily backed by the Shins); one could expect a prominent and emerging figure to speak out about the instilment of Thainess in public education. Here’s a phrase from an article: One prominent Thai entrepreneur told me his worst-case scenario is the emergence of a young, charismatic leader at the helm of a rising red shirt movement, calling for an end to “the double standards in Thai society.”

[JSixpack]

Maybe the tides will turn for the better. Always the gloom and doom nonsense here. Nor has the Thai name been "spoiled." Laughable notion.

 

Farangs seem a lot more obsessed with Thai face-saving than Thais do. I suppose it's to impress other farangs how well they have Thais all figured out. 

 

[90dayz]

Maybe the tides will turn for the better. Always the gloom and doom nonsense here. Nor has the Thai name been "spoiled." Laughable notion.

 

 

Prostitution, drug trade and coups. Not exclusive to, but synonymous with to a scary extent if you ask me. I had a Thai colleague in New Zealand get stifling giggles simply because he stated he was from here. Another had to deal with a "Huh, where's that? Taiwan?"; wherever he went throughout Germany (and Central Europe).

[JSixpack]

 

Maybe the tides will turn for the better. Always the gloom and doom nonsense here. Nor has the Thai name been "spoiled." Laughable notion.

 
Prostitution, drug trade and coups. Not exclusive to, but synonymous with to a scary extent if you ask me.

 

 

Nah. Thailand remains in the top 10 among the worlds' tourist destinations and tourism has steadily increased through the years. Quite impressive. But it's so much fun to engage in scare-mongering. Find an insect in your pad Thai today?
 

I had a Thai colleague in New Zealand get stifling giggles simply because he stated he was from here.

 

OMG. New Zealand has an idiot--or two? That's a problem?

 

Another had to deal with a "Huh, where's that? Taiwan?"; wherever he went throughout Germany (and Central Europe).

But this contradicts your premise. If Thailand has such a BAD BAD name, then everybody would know where it is and be able to distinguish it from Taiwan, which has never had any prostitution, drugs, crime, or history of political instability.

 

Truth is, geography isn't much taught in schools anymore. So? No big deal for Thais, either. What about a Bermudan? Would changing the name of Bermuda help people know where it is and so enable Bermudans to sleep soundly?

 

And how many Southeast Asians know where Germany or Deutschland is?

 

You don't know Thais well. They mostly care about what other Thais think, particularly those higher in the Thai social pecking order.

This is just another silly, ignorant little Thai-bashing thread. May it be closed quickly.
 

[benalibina]

 
Farangs seem a lot more obsessed with Thai face-saving than Thais do. I suppose it's to impress other farangs how well they have Thais all figured out. 
 

Why would that be ?

[90dayz]

With all this apologist rhetoric, you sound like you must be Thai/Siamese yourself.

 

 

 

Nah. Thailand remains in the top 10 among the worlds' tourist destinations and tourism has steadily increased through the years. Quite impressive. But it's so much fun to engage in scare-mongering. Find an insect in your pad Thai today?

 

OMG. New Zealand has an idiot--or two? That's a problem?

 

But this contradicts your premise. If Thailand has such a BAD BAD name, then everybody would know where it is and be able to distinguish it from Taiwan, which has never had any prostitution, drugs, crime, or history of political instability.

 

Truth is, geography isn't much taught in schools anymore. So? No big deal for Thais, either. What about a Bermudan? Would changing the name of Bermuda help people know where it is and so enable Bermudans to sleep soundly?

 

And how many Southeast Asians know where Germany or Deutschland is?

 

You don't know Thais well. They mostly care about what other Thais think, particularly those higher in the Thai social pecking order.

This is just another silly, ignorant little Thai-bashing thread. May it be closed quickly.

 

[David48]

a Thai one? The ... name has been spoiled and soiled over decades of time.

When you mention Thailand beyond these borders, less-than-flattering ideas come to people's minds.

 

With respect to the OP ... but what a bit of western thinking twaddle.

 

The Thai identity within Thai remains strong ... at complete odd with the premise of the OP.

 

 

OK ... lets think this through ...

 

What would be the Catalyst for Change?

 

Who would desire the change?

 

Do the Thai population really care how the rest of the world perceives Thailand?

 

 

The name shall remain Thailand till well after I start pushing up daisies.

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[geronimo]

Thailand will do nothing to alter the foreign perception of itself. It has a very strong culture and perhaps western nations would do well to follow its example.

[Thai at Heart]

Should a rural-dominated counter-revolutionary movement grow in numbers (though not necessarily backed by the Shins); one could expect a prominent and emerging figure to speak out about the instilment of Thainess in public education. Heres a phrase from an article: One prominent Thai entrepreneur told me his worst-case scenario is the emergence of a young, charismatic leader at the helm of a rising red shirt movement, calling for an end to the double standards in Thai society.

Boom.

Game set and match if that ever happens. Pack up and leave. Maybe my son will be that leader.

[Ricardo]

Should a rural-dominated counter-revolutionary movement grow in numbers (though not necessarily backed by the Shins); one could expect a prominent and emerging figure to speak out about the instilment of Thainess in public education. Here’s a phrase from an article: One prominent Thai entrepreneur told me his worst-case scenario is the emergence of a young, charismatic leader at the helm of a rising red shirt movement, calling for an end to “the double standards in Thai society.”

 

I think you meant to say, "revolutionary movement", not "counter-revolutionary movement" there ?

[ATF]

Hey Buddy are you on a weekend pass from Rampton?

 

You are trying to scaremonger in a very poor way. Go and sleep it off.

[samran]

Whatever drugs the OP is on, I want some of them!

[JSixpack]

With all this apologist rhetoric, you sound like you must be Thai/Siamese yourself.

What would be your problem with that, were it true? Not prejudiced are we?

There are no Siamese except for cats. Get over it.

[90dayz]

"You don't know Thais well. They mostly care about what other Thais think, particularly those higher in the Thai social pecking order."

 

And they're called poo yai, who are mostly of Chinese stock. Hence the institutionalized discrimination.

[mrtoad]

Hey Buddy are you on a weekend pass from Rampton?
 
You are trying to scaremonger in a very poor way. Go and sleep it off.

Yes, Rampton seems to be the correct place, although when I was there last they didn't give weekend passes, and there wasn't any wifi, but maybe times have changed.

Another Thai bashing topic.

[JSixpack]

"You don't know Thais well. They mostly care about what other Thais think, particularly those higher in the Thai social pecking order."
 
And they're called poo yai, who are mostly of Chinese stock. Hence the institutionalized discrimination.

Bash, bash, bash. Fun? Great Thai language skills, too.

[mrtoad]

I'm going to call Rampton and see if any of my old colleagues have lost a patient

[mrtoad]

"You don't know Thais well. They mostly care about what other Thais think, particularly those higher in the Thai social pecking order."
 
And they're called poo yai, who are mostly of Chinese stock. Hence the institutionalized discrimination.

Are you sure?


I will conduct a survey this morning at work, and see what they think about your statement.

[buhi]

I prefer Siam, not to "save face", but because there are other ethnic groups, who have lived here for centuries who are not Thai.

Might help in the South and certainly for the hill tribe people who cannot get Thai citizenship.Furthermore land is not Thai , it is anglisized.

Siam, much better!

[willyumiii]

Interesting thought....

 

When embarrassed enough, just change your name!

 

If I recall, there was something in that song about moving to another town as well.

 

How can a country change towns?

 

Anyway, I do like the old Siamese flag better than the red, white and blue of Thailand.

 

Elephants are just cool![attachment=279229:download.jpg]

 

 

[JSixpack]

I had a Thai colleague in New Zealand get stifling giggles simply because he stated he was from here.

Seems you may be a Kiwi too?
 

New Zealand Is Turning Into A Really Racist Country

. . . how difficult it is for people to be accepted into NZ culture if they look different, it’s not even a ‘cultural thing’ just an open hostility toward anyone who doesn’t look like they ‘fit in’. . . .

 

“There is much discussion in our flat. We have one Chinese (19 years in NZ), one Filipino (8 years in NZ), one English (3 months in NZ) and two PI (12-16 years in NZ). The Chinese, Filipino and PI’s receive racist remarks on a regular basis yet funnily enough our English flatmate who have been in NZ the least amount of time is welcomed with opened arms. The Chinese is NZ citizen. Filipino & PI’s are permanent residences. English on working visa." . . .

"The majority of the racists looking down their noses at us are usually white. Umm didn’t you come here after the Maori? Tossers."
     --http://e2nz.org/whats-it-like-to-live-in-nz/vox-pop/chapter-1/new-zealand-is-turning-into-a-really-racist-country/

[canuckamuck]

 

With all this apologist rhetoric, you sound like you must be Thai/Siamese yourself.

What would be your problem with that, were it true? Not prejudiced are we?

There are no Siamese except for cats. Get over it.

 

 

You are forgetting fighting fish, twins, mud carp, and the Siamese rhinoceros beetle...

[willyumiii]

Interesting thought....

 

When embarrassed enough, just change your name!

 

If I recall, there was something in that song about moving to another town as well.

 

How can a country change towns?

 

Anyway, I do like the old Siamese flag better than the red, white and blue of Thailand.

 

Elephants are just cool!download.jpg

 

 

Afterthought:  If they do bring back the name Siam and the flag of Siam...could they bring back the fashion of old Siam too?  Please?

 

I just love the beautiful head dresses![attachment=279236:d999b664477c4e22ed8dfd8e08793ae0.jpg]

[David48]

Afterthought:  If they do bring back the name Siam and the flag of Siam...could they bring back the fashion of old Siam too?  Please?

 

I just love the beautiful head dresses!d999b664477c4e22ed8dfd8e08793ae0.jpg

 

 

That is a Laos Image you have posted ... 

 

Credit
 

[mesquite]

I'll worry about it then.

[90dayz]

"Thailand will do nothing to alter the foreign perception of itself. It has a very strong culture and perhaps western nations would do well to follow its example."

 

It already did. First with Phibun trying to mimick Deustchland, next by enforcing stigmatizing Thai cultural mandates throughout the rural regions that ironically paved way for the rise of the Shins (as well as triggering the southern violence) and finally, encouraging philistine attitudes amongst the youth in academic and work settings.

 

 

Yes, all part of the movement to bring back happiness to the people. I'm done here, so after work hours I'll be headed back to Srithanya Hospital for my medication *sarcasm*

[h90]

not to forget: Siam was a country name.

Thailand is the name of a race.

My wife who is Thai things that it is racist and unfair against the non Thais in Thailand

[harrry]

I'm going to call Rampton and see if any of my old colleagues have lost a patient

You mean this guy...

http://www.lse.ac.uk/government/whosWho/profiles/dlrampton@lseacuk/Home.aspx

 

Dr David Rampton

 

LSE Fellow in Global Politics

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Dr. David Rampton (Ph.D London, 2010) is a Fellow in Global Politics in the Government and IR Departments His research focuses on the biopolitics of nationalism and the governmental interface between nationalist and international state-building projects. He has published articles in edited volumes and in Commonwealth and Comparative Politics. He is currently working on a book manuscript on nationalist hegemony and the politics of identity in colonial and postcolonial Sri Lanka.

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