Israel PM vows further Gaza campaign

[dexterm]

I think you'd better read the Geneva Convention.

Hamas are terrorists. The Geneva Convention does not apply to unlawful combatants.

JDGruen wasn't talking about Hamas...that's just your dishonest deflection. Nothing new there then.

Gaza wouldn't contain so many refugees if Israel had obeyed the Geneva Convention and UN resolutions in the first place. Hamas would p

[dexterm]

Except no one was shooting thousands of rockets at those places, which any country on earth would have to stop. Your argument is dishonest as well as morally bankrupt.

It had slowed to a trickle of less than one rocket per week falling harmlessly in the 6 weeks prior to 12 June, when Netanyahu picked this fight with Hamas.

Thousands before and thousands afterwards. Why do you keep repeating the same discredited talking points?

Why do you keep failing to admit that there was a lull in rockets being fired during the 6 weeks prior to June 12th despite Israel’s provocative 5 targeted assassinations.

You keep spouting your myths; I’ll keep busting them.

[Ulysses G.]

If you consider "only" one rocket per week, with thousands before and thousands afterwards to make some kind of point, it eludes me. At best, you can claim that Hamas slowed down for a few weeks.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[dexterm]

If you consider "only" one rocket per week, with thousands before and thousands afterwards to make some kind of point, it eludes me. At best, you can claim that Hamas slowed down for a few weeks.

So why did Netanyahu pick a fight on 12th June smashing up Palestinian homes and rounding up hundreds of Hamas supporters without charge when the situation was already headed towards the "prolonged period of quiet" that is supposedly his goal now?

Seems to me that would have been an ideal time to negotiate a complete indefinite ceasefire on both sides , rewarded by a normalization of daily life in Gaza and an easing of the blockade.

All too easy...methinks Netanyahu had other motives.

[cup-O-coffee]

I cannot understand that Hamas can claim to be the speaker for the Palestinian people, because they are not. One day very soon the people of Gaza will turn against them. I hope Israel will be there helping them, but probably not. The jews are very racist, just like the German SS.

Jews and Arabs are the same race, genius; therefore it is impossible for one group to be "racist" against the other.

I also find this path some of you are going down extremely offensive; my family were butchered in the holocaust. Those who weren't murdered outright were sent to concentration camps and killed in the ovens.

I understand that some may disagree with tactics but Israel has never, and will never do ANYTHING even close to what the nazis did, so shut the <deleted> up.

There is NO comparison so stop being STUPID

There are many comparisons, and the path you are going down is extremely offensive, as it predicates a certain superiority over the blood, sweat and tears of anyone other than such like-minded narcissists as you. This includes myself, my family and my ancestors: some of whom were more than likely murdered, butchered, beheaded, stabbed, eaten by prehistoric beasts, assimilated by larger amoebas, or whatever.

The skin on your bones is not better than anyone else, regardless of who told you so, or how many like-minded people such as yourself think. Your arrogance, and the manner in which it tramples everything in its path is what offends to the point of wanting to... well, most get the point.

I am fully aware that I am getting nowhere with you,and I accept that. it is the way you are, and the like-minded people whom flock to support such views as yours. This path of thinking has been documented throughout history and always leads to no good end for the ones who embrace such views.

The point is that the behavior of the occupants of land in that corner of the world are behaving and uttering in such a manner as to bring up suggestions of similar behaviors in others throughout history. It matters not whether they are Jew, Israelite, Semite, Khazar (to name a few) or whatever label can be drudged up.

It begs the question, "Why DO people sling stones at a great Goliath when they know for certain that they are going to get their butts "kicked"?".

Throughout history, I have discovered one thing, and that is that the general population will always and inevitably pity the underdog.

Now there are two ways to be an underdog: 1) To legitimately be an underdog as evidenced by fact and science, and 2) to promote the appearance of being an underdog (via whining, crying, lashing out emotionally, etc.) in addition to ignoring, censoring, hiding, obliterating, etc. the facts and science. The former is not a difficult image to keep up simply because the world stage can see you getting your ass kicked on the Telly and on YouTube. The latter is a full time cottage industry that needs constant reminders and 24/7 indoctrination to keep drudging up historical moments in time, which have ceased to be, and at the expense of peoples who are no longer guilty of anything merely for being what they are.

So, in summary, keep it up. Keep on believing you are correct and have the right to do whatever it is you think you have a will to do, and ALWAYS at the expense of someone other than you, or like-minded people such as you. No one can stop you, and that is for certain, so I guess your worst enemy is yourself, and those like you.

The world is your stage, my friend, and the people of the world your audience. Keep up the act on this stage, and make it convincing. Continue endeavoring harder and harder to convince the audience that you are the underdog, and you had better do a good job of it and be better than perfect, because perfection cannot tolerate error.

But as a cautionary note: you may want to be aware that the numbers of people in that audience are either leaving the theater, or firmly gripping their rotten tomatoes, simply due to the fact that you are running out of people to accuse for being responsible for your "underdog" status.

That is how your post read... as a warning and an obscenity to anyone who "offended" you.

That is not perfection, my friend. The acting is becoming sub-standard, and the theater is getting empty.

I am simply making observations here as well as pointing out a few of my own views. If you can't handle that, then I guess the Palestinians should drop their pebbles on the ground and begin writing their own epitaphs, because Goliath is "offended".

Edited August 29, 2014 by cup-O-coffee

[Ulysses G.]

I cannot understand that Hamas can claim to be the speaker for the Palestinian people, because they are not. One day very soon the people of Gaza will turn against them. I hope Israel will be there helping them, but probably not. The jews are very racist, just like the German SS.

Jews and Arabs are the same race, genius; therefore it is impossible for one group to be "racist" against the other.

I also find this path some of you are going down extremely offensive; my family were butchered in the holocaust. Those who weren't murdered outright were sent to concentration camps and killed in the ovens.

I understand that some may disagree with tactics but Israel has never, and will never do ANYTHING even close to what the nazis did, so shut the <deleted> up.

There is NO comparison so stop being STUPID

There are many comparisons, and the path you are going down is extremely offensive, as it predicates a certain superiority over the blood, sweat and tears of anyone other than such like-minded narcissists as you.

Offensive? Do you think that anyone has forgotten the numerous anti-Semitic remarks that you have made on these threads - that were deleted - or your attacks on blacks on another thread? Save the talk of "offensive" for someone who has not been reading your offensive posts.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

If you consider "only" one rocket per week, with thousands before and thousands afterwards to make some kind of point, it eludes me. At best, you can claim that Hamas slowed down for a few weeks.

So why did Netanyahu pick a fight on 12th June smashing up Palestinian homes and rounding up hundreds of Hamas supporters without charge when the situation was already headed towards the "prolonged period of quiet" that is supposedly his goal now?

Because Hamas kidnapped and murdered three Israeli teenagers and the situation was NOT headed towards a "prolonged period of quiet", which, of course, you already know. Why do you keep repeating the same fabrications, FAKE QUOTES and discredited drivel?

Edited August 30, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Scott]

Off-topic, bickering and inflammatory posts along with replies have been deleted.

[dexterm]

If you consider "only" one rocket per week, with thousands before and thousands afterwards to make some kind of point, it eludes me. At best, you can claim that Hamas slowed down for a few weeks.

So why did Netanyahu pick a fight on 12th June smashing up Palestinian homes and rounding up hundreds of Hamas supporters without charge when the situation was already headed towards the "prolonged period of quiet" that is supposedly his goal now?

Because Hamas kidnapped and murdered three Israeli teenagers and the situation was NOT headed towards a "prolonged period of quiet", which, of course, you already know. Why do you keep repeating the same fabrications, FAKE QUOTES and discredited drivel?

Utter nonsense.

Hamas leadership were no more responsible for the kidnapped teens than Netanyahu with his bloodlust histrionics for the murder of the Palestinian teen Mohammed Abu Khdeir burnt alive.

Israel’s picking a fight is a repeated pattern of provoking retaliation during lulls in the violence. Israel doesn’t want peace. They simply want to manage the conflict while they grab more land.

[Ulysses G.]

If you consider "only" one rocket per week, with thousands before and thousands afterwards to make some kind of point, it eludes me. At best, you can claim that Hamas slowed down for a few weeks.

So why did Netanyahu pick a fight on 12th June smashing up Palestinian homes and rounding up hundreds of Hamas supporters without charge when the situation was already headed towards the "prolonged period of quiet" that is supposedly his goal now?

Because Hamas kidnapped and murdered three Israeli teenagers and the situation was NOT headed towards a "prolonged period of quiet", which, of course, you already know. Why do you keep repeating the same fabrications, FAKE QUOTES and discredited drivel?

Utter nonsense.

More of the usual hogwash. Do you EVER get anything right? Hamas leadership admitted to kidnapping and murdering those three boys.

A senior Hamas leader has said the group carried out the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli teens in the West Bank in June — the first time anyone from the Islamic militant group has said it was behind an attack that helped spark the current war in the Gaza Strip.

Saleh Arouri told a conference in Turkey on Wednesday that Hamas’s military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, carried out what he described as a “heroic operation” with the broader goal of sparking a new Palestinian uprising.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/hamas-admits-kidnapping-israeli-teens/2014/08/21/6e70b51e-2957-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_story.html

[chuckd]

Except no one was shooting thousands of rockets at those places, which any country on earth would have to stop. Your argument is dishonest as well as morally bankrupt.

Sure any country would respond to rockets being shot at them. Some would respond in looking at their way they do treat the ones who hate them, some would respond by military action. But NO ONE EXCEPT ISRAEL has responded by intentionally bombing from the UN as safe declared schools at daytime. Only Israel is doing it and with it demonstrating their wish to continue the genocide conducted by them.

Perhaps if the UN didn't permit storage of rockets in their facilities, their facilities might not be targets for bombing.

[dexterm]

Get up to speed, UG.

This claim is discredited even by Israeli intelligence.

“"Given the timing I would be very suspicious about his claim. I still don't believe Hamas as an organisation and its upper echelons sanctioned the kidnappings – something that Israeli intelligence also believes," [Hugh Lovatt, Israel and Palestine coordinator at the European Council on Foreign Relations] said.”

al-Arouri has been living in exile in Syria and Turkey for the last 4 years and he is just grandstanding himself since he is remote from events

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/hamas-kidnapping-three-israeli-teenagers-saleh-al-arouri-qassam-brigades

Edited August 30, 2014 by dexterm

[Ulysses G.]

This claim is discredited even by Israeli intelligence.

Do you have ANY real evidence at all?

Some guy's - who has nothing to do with Israeli intelligence - musings in a newspaper article, mean next to nothing, especially when he also said this:

"A second, more remote possibility, is that al-Arouri is telling the truth and that he has operated on his own initiative – a development with very worrying repercussions as it would imply a serious power struggle and splintering within Hamas,"

A confession by Hamas leadership is EVIDENCE. Some guy's speculation is NOT.

Edited August 30, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[theoldgit]

Post in breach of forum rules removed.

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[dexterm]

This claim is discredited even by Israeli intelligence.

Do you have ANY real evidence at all?

Some guy's - who has nothing to do with Israeli intelligence - musings in a newspaper article, mean next to nothing, especially when he also said this:

"A second, more remote possibility, is that al-Arouri is telling the truth and that he has operated on his own initiative – a development with very worrying repercussions as it would imply a serious power struggle and splintering within Hamas,"

A confession by Hamas leadership is EVIDENCE. Some guy's speculation is NOT.

The old Zionist ploy...one school, one mosque, one ambulance, one out of context quote, one minor Hamas figure living in exile. That's all you need to obfuscate the rest. I am onto your tricks, UG.

[Ulysses G.]

You are telling tall stories, yet again. Saleh al-Arouri is far from a "minor figure" In fact, he is an original gangster that was exiled by Israel for terrorist activities.

From YOUR link:

A veteran Hamas official has said that the Islamist group was behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank – an incident that was a major trigger for the current brutal war in Gaza.

Saleh al-Arouri, one of the founders of Hamas's military wing, made his comments at a conference in Istanbul, where he lives in exile. A tape of his comments was posted online by conference organisers.

Edited August 30, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[dexterm]

You are telling tall stories, yet again. Saleh al-Arouri is far from a "minor figure" In fact, he is an original gangster that was exiled by Israel for terrorist activities.

From YOUR link:

A veteran Hamas official has said that the Islamist group was behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank – an incident that was a major trigger for the current brutal war in Gaza.

Saleh al-Arouri, one of the founders of Hamas's military wing, made his comments at a conference in Istanbul, where he lives in exile. A tape of his comments was posted online by conference organisers.

one time founder of Hamas's military wing...now a minor player living in exile trying to bignote himself.

Hardly worth going to war and sacrificing 69 Israeli lives for.

[Ulysses G.]

You are telling tall stories, yet again. Saleh al-Arouri is far from a "minor figure" In fact, he is an original gangster that was exiled by Israel for terrorist activities.

From YOUR link:

A veteran Hamas official has said that the Islamist group was behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank an incident that was a major trigger for the current brutal war in Gaza.

Saleh al-Arouri, one of the founders of Hamas's military wing, made his comments at a conference in Istanbul, where he lives in exile. A tape of his comments was posted online by conference organisers.

one time founder of Hamas's military wing...now a minor player living in exile trying to bignote himself.

According to you, who has been caught over again posting fabricated information and FAKE QUOTES.

[Morch]

You are telling tall stories, yet again. Saleh al-Arouri is far from a "minor figure" In fact, he is an original gangster that was exiled by Israel for terrorist activities.

From YOUR link:

A veteran Hamas official has said that the Islamist group was behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank – an incident that was a major trigger for the current brutal war in Gaza.

Saleh al-Arouri, one of the founders of Hamas's military wing, made his comments at a conference in Istanbul, where he lives in exile. A tape of his comments was posted online by conference organisers.

one time founder of Hamas's military wing...now a minor player living in exile trying to bignote himself.

Hardly worth going to war and sacrificing 69 Israeli lives for.

And your assertion that he is a "minor player" is based on what? That he lives in exile? So do Mashaal and Marzook.

Saleh al-Arouri dubbed as one of the founders of Hamas military wing has to do with his efforts to set them up in the

West Bank, where he comes from. For someone who confidently claimed Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnapping

whatsoever, even when killers were known to belong to the al-Khalil Qawasmehs, that's pretty rich.

[CBR250]

For someone who confidently claimed Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnapping

whatsoever, even when killers were known to belong to the al-Khalil Qawasmehs, that's pretty rich.

Well, your sources are obviously superior to the Israeli police. Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld spoke to a journalist about the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens in the West Bank in June. Rosenfeld said that the men who killed 3 Israeli teens were definitely a lone cell (other sources identified them as the al-Khalil Qawasmeh clan) - and Rosenfeld said that they were hamas affiliated - but not operating under Hamas leadership. Other media sources also reported these same facts. Google them.

It is patently clear that the kidnappings and murders were a pretext for Netanyahu to attack and provoke Hamas. He sure wanted to move the Palestinian Unity Government off the front pages of the press. And make sure the EU and USA never even got to talk to them. He did a very good job - ok, it cost about 2,500 people their lives, and probably 3 times that many are now condemned to a lifetime coping with injuries and disabilities. Children are orphaned. Lives are ruined. But hey, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, eh? So go ahead if you must, do a few contortions to try to tie Hamas to the murders, and help Bibi on his merry way.

[Jingthing]

Once Israel allows Palestine to live in a modern, civil world then the Palestinians will act modern and civil.

Hard to image that is what Hamas is looking for.

In case anyone still doubts the fact that Hamas, the leadership of Gaza, is a terror group with genocidal intentions towards Israeli Jews:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/music/181478/hamas-anthem-israel

This is pretty extreme stuff. Remember, we are not talking about the private initiative of some nut with some studio time. This song was released by the current government of Gaza. It calls for laying waste to Israel down to its foundations. And it alternates between proposing that the Jews of Israel (“Zionists,” as the song calls them) be exterminated like cockroaches, and that they be expelled from their country. It’s a little dizzying to think that this unblushing call to genocide—to killing me, my family and everyone I know—was written, recorded, and released by a government in power 50 miles from my house here in Jerusalem. But it is what it is.

Massively popular Hamas song:

"Up Do TERROR attacks"

Must admit it is a catchy tune though.

Edited August 30, 2014 by Jingthing

[coma]

Must admit it is a catchy tune though.

Set it as your ringtone.

[dexterm]

You are telling tall stories, yet again. Saleh al-Arouri is far from a "minor figure" In fact, he is an original gangster that was exiled by Israel for terrorist activities.

From YOUR link:

A veteran Hamas official has said that the Islamist group was behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank – an incident that was a major trigger for the current brutal war in Gaza.

Saleh al-Arouri, one of the founders of Hamas's military wing, made his comments at a conference in Istanbul, where he lives in exile. A tape of his comments was posted online by conference organisers.

one time founder of Hamas's military wing...now a minor player living in exile trying to bignote himself.

Hardly worth going to war and sacrificing 69 Israeli lives for.

And your assertion that he is a "minor player" is based on what? That he lives in exile? So do Mashaal and Marzook.

Saleh al-Arouri dubbed as one of the founders of Hamas military wing has to do with his efforts to set them up in the

West Bank, where he comes from. For someone who confidently claimed Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnapping

whatsoever, even when killers were known to belong to the al-Khalil Qawasmehs, that's pretty rich.

Better ask Israeli police spokesman Michael Rosenfeld then. He’s also confidently claiming that Hamas leadership had nothing to do with the kidnapping either. He states that if Hamas leadership had ordered the kidnapping Israeli intelligence would have known about it in advance. He points to lone Hamas affiliates operating independently. If Hamas were kidnapping Israelis to exchange for jailed militants, not much point in shooting them the same day. Clearly the work of two hate filled psychopaths operating inependently.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/killed-turning-onslaught.html

Sorry, I didnt realize CBR250 had already addressed the issue above.

Edited August 31, 2014 by dexterm

[Ulysses G.]

This article is from one month before top Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri admitted that the Qassam Brigades kidnapped and killed the three boys on an officially sanctioned mission. Do you ever tire of posting erroneous information?

A top Hamas official said members of his militant group kidnapped three Israeli teenagers whose deaths in June provoked a spiral of violence that led to the war in Gaza, the first acknowledgement of the movement's involvement.

http://news.yahoo.com/senior-hamas-official-says-group-abducted-israeli-teens-104952838.html

Edited August 31, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

Must admit it is a catchy tune though.

Set it as your ringtone.

Point proven though about Hamas being terror organization, eh?

[Ulysses G.]

For someone who confidently claimed Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnapping

whatsoever, even when killers were known to belong to the al-Khalil Qawasmehs, that's pretty rich.

Well, your sources are obviously superior to the Israeli police. Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld spoke to a journalist about the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens in the West Bank in June.

June. Two months before Saleh al-Arouri admitted that the Qassam Brigades kidnapped and killed the three boys on an officially sanctioned mission. Police often draw the wrong conclusions when they don't have all the evidence.

[dexterm]

For someone who confidently claimed Hamas had nothing to do with the kidnapping

whatsoever, even when killers were known to belong to the al-Khalil Qawasmehs, that's pretty rich.

Well, your sources are obviously superior to the Israeli police. Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld spoke to a journalist about the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens in the West Bank in June.

June. Two months before Saleh al-Arouri admitted that the Qassam Brigades kidnapped and killed the three boys on an officially sanctioned mission. Police often draw the wrong conclusions when they don't have all the evidence.

Police often draw the wrong conclusions when they don't have all the evidence.

...and it appears so do you!

Perhaps if Israel would testify before an independent international (or even a US) investigation we would have more narratives to discover the truth.

[Ulysses G.]

Perhaps if Israel would testify before an independent international (or even a US) investigation we would have more narratives to discover the truth.

The usual deflection. The US is not involved in an investigation of why the Qassam Brigades kidnapped and killed the three boys on an officially sanctioned mission.

[Seastallion]

Once Israel allows Palestine to live in a modern, civil world then the Palestinians will act modern and civil.

Hard to image that is what Hamas is looking for.

In case anyone still doubts the fact that Hamas, the leadership of Gaza, is a terror group with genocidal intentions towards Israeli Jews:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/music/181478/hamas-anthem-israel

This is pretty extreme stuff. Remember, we are not talking about the private initiative of some nut with some studio time. This song was released by the current government of Gaza. It calls for laying waste to Israel down to its foundations. And it alternates between proposing that the Jews of Israel (“Zionists,” as the song calls them) be exterminated like cockroaches, and that they be expelled from their country. It’s a little dizzying to think that this unblushing call to genocide—to killing me, my family and everyone I know—was written, recorded, and released by a government in power 50 miles from my house here in Jerusalem. But it is what it is.

Massively popular Hamas song:

"Up Do TERROR attacks"

Must admit it is a catchy tune though.

It is a catchy tune.

The commentator, in the trend of today, tries to blur the line between Zionist and Jew. One is a subset of the other, just as "Islamist" is a subset of "Muslim".

It is significant that it is the pro Israelis who try to blur the lines between both subsets and their respective sets. The blurring of the former serves to give the power of the term "antisemite" to the label of "anti-Zionist", and the blurring of the latter serves to demonise all Palestinians/Muslims.

Both "blurrings" are deliberate attempts to sway opinion.

Hum zel zil zel zelah....yes it is catchy.

[Seastallion]

Must admit it is a catchy tune though.

Set it as your ringtone.

Point proven though about Hamas being terror organization, eh?

No, hahaha, point proven that it was a catchy tune and the lyrics were anti-Zionist, not anti-Jew.

I wonder why the young people of Israel like the song. The commentator doesn't really say, but speculates hopefully that it is because they want to be reminded of Hamas's terrorism.

It's a weak speculation, especially in the light of the fact that she could not get a definitive answer from her nephews et al.

I could speculate too, and my speculation may have firmer ground than hers; Maybe the young people of Israel like the song and it's lyrics simply because they are conscripted to fight against a people that they pity. Maybe this song is one way of expressing how they feel in an atmosphere where they feel they can't speak out loud.