1400 children sexually exploited in UK town Rotherham: report

[7by7]

The report described rapes by multiple perpetrators, mainly from Britain's Pakistani community, and how children were trafficked to other towns and cities in the north of England, abducted, beaten, and intimidated.

I bet if the British media report it like that they will be charged with racism. Sometimes you just have to tell the truth and be damned.

Living in the UK, I can assure you that EVERY report I have heard on TV and radio and read in other media HAS said either that the abusers were Asian or of Pakistani origin.

Still, don't let facts interfere with your prejudices.

This is a shocking indictment of both the police and social services; and there have been many other cases where the victims of abuse have not been believed; though not on this scale.

But to use this as an excuse for racist and Islamaphobic nonsense is disgusting and an insult to the victims.

Do those doing so claim all Catholics are paedophiles because of the abuse by some Catholic priests?

[sustento]

You show me an English town with significant numbers of Muslims and I'll show you a town infested with the racially-targeted sexual exploitation of underage poor English girls (euphemistically referred to as "grooming"). Nearly a decade ago, Greater Manchester police banned the airing of a Channel 4 documentary about Muslim paedo gangs in Keighley on grounds that it might interfere with the upcoming elections (and the BNP might take votes from Labour). Well, a quick Google reveals that not much has changed in Keighley as a consequence of Labour's politicisation of the police and local authorities.

Why would the Greater Manchester police ban a Channel 4 documentary about paedo gangs in Yorkshire? How could they? They have no power to ban any TV programme.

[jacky54]

I do resent it when these gangs are referred to as 'Asian' as this is a slur on them, I don't recall gangs of Hindus, Chinese, Buddhists or Sikhs doing this it's almost always the followers on one religion. And the reluctance to name it still is the type of dangerous 'don't let us offend them' nonsense which leads this this kind of abuse in the first place.

[H1w4yR1da]

Susan Sarandon, Barbara Streisand and Rosie O'Donnell seem to be mum on this issue.

Issue not PC enough...

..and who would want to be called an Islamophobe?

I'm an Islamophobe and make no bones about it. It's time for a new crusade. See my avatar!

Given the topic under discussion here, i had to laugh at your choice of avatar. A prominent high ranking member of the Knight's Templar was ----- Sir Jimmy Savile. There are many reports of his involvement, with other members, of satanic related child sexual abuse. You haven't really thought this through have you!

Rather unlikely as the medieval knights templar (as shown in my avatar) were disbanded in 1312. The modern-day freemasons to whom you are referring may have evolved from the knights templar but get it right, Saville wasn't a knight templar. As to the freemasons involvement in satanic child sex abuse, I wouldn't know. But it's hardly relevant to the crusades of old. Good try though!

[jacky54]

The cruelties mentioned in the OP are practised worldwide, in all societies, no matter the religion. As an example look at the countries that produce the greatest volume of child pornography and the demographics of the buyers of the content; the very large majority are not Muslims.

Might be better is it was, then they might not be out on the streets abusing children in the country than took them in, This abuse is solely the result of a religion that teaches non believers are the worst of people and that uncovered women are no better than prostitutes and only worthy of abusing. It's not cultural it's religion- the religion is their culture.

[H1w4yR1da]

Living in the UK, I can assure you that EVERY report I have heard on TV and radio and read in other media HAS said either that the abusers were Asian or of Pakistani origin.

Still, don't let facts interfere with your prejudices.

This is a shocking indictment of both the police and social services; and there have been many other cases where the victims of abuse have not been believed; though not on this scale.

But to use this as an excuse for racist and Islamaphobic nonsense is disgusting and an insult to the victims.

Do those doing so claim all Catholics are paedophiles because of the abuse by some Catholic priests?

Sigh! It was just a matter of time before some leftie popped up and played the race card.

What's this' Islamophobe nonsense'?

It's perfectly natural to be an Islamophobe after all that's happened, and is happening. Makes perfect sense. And how is being against a religion, 'racist'? Typical PC reactionary crap.

Your 'insult to the victims' quote is a disgrace. Its actually an insult to the perpetrators.

And no, not all catholics are paedophiles. But a hell of a lot of Catholic priests are.

Edited August 27, 2014 by H1w4yR1da

[H1w4yR1da]

The report described rapes by multiple perpetrators, mainly from Britain's Pakistani community, and how children were trafficked to other towns and cities in the north of England, abducted, beaten, and intimidated.

I bet if the British media report it like that they will be charged with racism.

I don't think so...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735194/Girls-young-11-doused-petrol-told-raped-next.html#

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-child-abuse-report-finds-1400-children-subjected-to-appalling-sexual-exploitation-within-16year-period-9691825.html

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/26/rotherham-sexual-abuse-children

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11057647/Rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-1400-children-exploited-by-Asian-gangs-while-authorities-turned-a-blind-eye.html

You notice in all those linked news stories, they mentioned 'Asian' and 'Pakistani' but (and I may have missed it as I just perused the texts) not one mentioned the 'M' word.

Strange that!

Edited August 27, 2014 by H1w4yR1da

[modafinil]

Why is it necessary to actually mention the ethnic background or race of the offenders anyway? You'll probably find that most were British nationals too.

Are you serious?

The report concluded that the police and the council BLOCKED investigations into the abuse. Why? Because they were "worried about damaging community relations with ethnic minorities".

One of the main reasons this was not properly investigated was because senior police and council members were worried about "looking racially insensitive".

So yes, it was very necessary to mention their ethnic background. Otherwise we couldn't properly understand why the 1400 children were failed so badly.

[Steely Dan]

Living in the UK, I can assure you that EVERY report I have heard on TV and radio and read in other media HAS said either that the abusers were Asian or of Pakistani origin.

Still, don't let facts interfere with your prejudices.

This is a shocking indictment of both the police and social services; and there have been many other cases where the victims of abuse have not been believed; though not on this scale.

But to use this as an excuse for racist and Islamaphobic nonsense is disgusting and an insult to the victims.

Do those doing so claim all Catholics are paedophiles because of the abuse by some Catholic priests?

Sigh! It was just a matter of time before some leftie popped up and played the race card.

What's this' Islamophobe nonsense'?

It's perfectly natural to be an Islamophobe after all that's happened, and is happening. Makes perfect sense. And how is being against a religion, 'racist'? Typical PC reactionary crap.

Your 'insult to the victims' quote is a disgrace. Its actually an insult to the perpetrators.

And no, not all catholics are paedophiles. But a hell of a lot of Catholic priests are.

The word Islamophobe is indeed am Orwellian inversion of reality attempting to paint something completely rational as irrational in an attempt to stymie debate.

[H1w4yR1da]

The word Islamophobe is indeed am Orwellian inversion of reality attempting to paint something completely rational as irrational in an attempt to stymie debate.

Perfectly (and rather cleverly) put.

Glad to see many on this thread are enlightened.

[7by7]

The men responsible for this horrific crime did so because they are perverted monsters; not because they are Muslims.

From reports at the time of their trial, most of their 'customers' were white non Muslims.

The Muslim community in the UK in general and Rochdale in particular have condemned them, bot at the time of their trial and following the publication of this report.

For example Rotherham Muslims 'condemn' child sexual exploitation

Of course, those who see prejudice aimed at a whole religious group because of the actions of a tiny minority as 'irrational' will not be convinced by any of this. Their ignorant prejudice is far too deep seated in their minds for any rationality on the subject of Islam to enter therein. To them, all Muslims are dedicated to the forceful establishment of a worldwide caliphate and the sexual exploitation of all non believers.

Their ignorance would be the subject of pity; were it not so dangerous.

One has said he does not blame Catholics for the perversions and crimes of some Catholics; yet continues to blame Muslims for the perversions and crimes of some Muslims!

You cannot argue with such a closed mind.

But, I wonder how they would feel if those of them who live in Thailand started being targeted as paedophiles simply because of the regrettably large number of perverted farang who go to S.E. Asia just for that purpose!

Edited August 27, 2014 by 7by7

[Mosha]

When the Tykes decide to vent their fury, don't be surprised. In that neck of the woods they are left wing leaning. They are not PC, eg South Asians are not referred to as British. Rightly or wrongly they are called Pakis

[H1w4yR1da]

The men responsible for this horrific crime did so because they are perverted monsters; not because they are Muslims.

Rubbish! Their religion played a huge part in their attitude towards females, especially non-Muslim ones.

But, I wonder how they would feel if those of them who live in Thailand started being targeted as paedophiles simply because of the regrettably large number of perverted farang who go to S.E. Asia just for that purpose!

Large number? Really? You've got proof of course.

But you carry on trying to sell apologist bs, thankfully less and less are buying it.

[simple1]

The men responsible for this horrific crime did so because they are perverted monsters; not because they are Muslims.

From reports at the time of their trial, most of their 'customers' were white non Muslims.

The Muslim community in the UK in general and Rochdale in particular have condemned them, bot at the time of their trial and following the publication of this report.

For example Rotherham Muslims 'condemn' child sexual exploitation

Of course, those who see prejudice aimed at a whole religious group because of the actions of a tiny minority as 'irrational' will not be convinced by any of this. Their ignorant prejudice is far too deep seated in their minds for any rationality on the subject of Islam to enter therein. To them, all Muslims are dedicated to the forceful establishment of a worldwide caliphate and the sexual exploitation of all non believers.

Their ignorance would be the subject of pity; were it not so dangerous.

One has said he does not blame Catholics for the perversions and crimes of some Catholics; yet continues to blame Muslims for the perversions and crimes of some Muslims!

You cannot argue with such a closed mind.

But, I wonder how they would feel if those of them who live in Thailand started being targeted as paedophiles simply because of the regrettably large number of perverted farang who go to S.E. Asia just for that purpose!

From Rotherham Joint Strategic Needs Assessment website

Rotherham had 236,438 (91.9%) White British and 20,842 (8.1%) Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) residents in the 2011 Census.

The largest BME community is Pakistani & Kashmiri who numbered 7,912 in 2011 or 3.1% of the population.

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/jsna/info/23/people/54/ethnicity_and_cultural_identity

[jacky54]

Just 3.1 % makes it even worse, that's about 1.5% males responsible for all this abuse, animals

Edited August 27, 2014 by jacky54

[H1w4yR1da]

Just 3.1 % makes it even worse, that's about 1.5% males responsible for all this abuse, animals

Shhh!

Don't quote facts here. The apologists get rather upset when they see their arguments disappearing down the drain.

[simple1]

Just 3.1 % makes it even worse, that's about 1.5% males responsible for all this abuse, animals

Although even one criminal sexual abuser is one too many, so far 15 people have been prosecuted or charged with child sexual exploitation offences in Rotherham. How many more now under investigation? Some white guys have been involved elsewhere, is this the case in Rotherham?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/26/rotherham-sexual-abuse-children

Edited August 27, 2014 by simple1

[H1w4yR1da]

Still desperately trying to find some white involvement?

[Scott]

Continued attempts at derailing this topic will result in suspensions. The topic is about the sexual abuse of children. It is not about Islam.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

This actually sounds like some sort of racist (or anti-Islam) propaganda.

The numbers seem too high to be real.

[Steely Dan]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/may/18/baroness-warsi-pakistan-men-fair-game

So let's see 'Some Pakistani males consider white girls fair game', according to Baroness Warsi. Spells it out quite clearly does it not, racism against white people. Until recently nothing was done about this and the merest hint suggesting what was happening led to accusations of racism in the other direction. Then there's the word 'some', well if there are 1400 cases in Rotherham alone I would suggest epidemic is more fitting.

Actually I believe we are reaching one of those tipping points in history where all of a sudden truth, however uncomfortable, becomes common currency and finally the old status quo collapses. My comments apply to a few current threads.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Steely Dan

[nontabury]

I am from Rotherham and actually worked in a senior position on the Met. Boro. Council. I can assure everyone that it's not just the 'PC' mafia that make everyone wary of saying anything about the Pakistanis. What has happened is that the Pakistani leaders have crept into every aspect of life in Rotherham. Their corruption is endemic throughout the town. There's cover-ups of drug-dealing, human trafficking, money laundering etc.They even have one of the biggest crooks from the Paki community in the house of Lords, would you believe What happened in Birmingham Schools has been evident in Rotherham's schools for decades.

.Now, the ghettos in Rotherham are small in comparison to places like Bradford and Leeds - so what is happening in the rest of the country ?. Roger Stone has always been one of the decent guys and I'm not surprised he's taken the decent action and resigned. But the whole of the Social Services department wants a clean sweep; they are full of Neo Marxist PC apologists. One can't blame the police much, they can only check on things if reports are made - if they are not made, what then?

I used to live in Rotherham and also worked for Rothetham Rural district council and the Met Bor, approximately 40 yrs ago. The main problem there is that the voters are solid Labour and therefore will always support the Labour Mafia. When I worked there many of the jobs were awarded by nepotism, yet the electorate still re-elected them, seemingly one of the principal councillors responsible for this cover up has since been re-elected by the people of Anston and Woodsetts.

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[icare999]

people in uk are getting more and more angry about muslim fanatics and PC nonsense THe pressure cooker is building up to explode and when it does it wont be nice. The Muslim community (most are good honest people) add to hatred by allowing these scumbags into their communities.

I predict with 90% certainty that if the authorities in UK dont start soon kicking out these scumbags or simply if that can't be done getting one of uninhabited scottish irelands and dumping them on it and let them get on themselves with their evil vile agenda.

This will just add fuel to fire of hatred of Muslims already at close to fever pitch in UK and a lot of europe.

Enough is enough those not prepared to accept UK and its customs should be deported or just drop them into cesspits A lot of Muslim world has defended to

[icare999]

Susan Sarandon, Barbara Streisand and Rosie O'Donnell seem to be mum on this issue.

Issue not PC enough...

..and who would want to be called an Islamophobe?

i used to be totally non fascist and in my life worked with many Palestinians and other muslims and spent a lot of time in Indonesia and never felt any animosity to Muslims. However over years with vile preach ins in UK from some making it clear they would like to kill all non muslims events with ISIS and drip drip drip I'm now totally racist and want nothing to do with them.

When these scum learn to live in a civilised manner ill become non fascist again

I loathe them as do most normal liberal people i know well i loathe some of them not Palestinians who are not fanatics but many tribes are.

Time for honest decent people to stop being afraid and speak what they all are now tihnking

Well done Muslim community it takes some effort to turn me into a fascist but the actions you have allowed some ion your mist to do will I'm sorry to say bite you back very very hard

The pot is boiling and hatred of Muslims is spilling over

Notice other ethnic communities Indians, Asians, Chinese and rest cause no problems or very little but Muslims stand out as a group if people were honest most UK citizens would like to see thrown out to say least

[icare999]

This is no doubt a big problem but it's amazing that some of the posters that make sensible posts on other topics turned out to be racist.

It should not be forgotten that many countries have only just recovered from the worst ever plague of pedophilia by Catholic clergy that went on for decades, even protected by a Mr fixit who became pope. BTW Jimmy Savile was a Catholic having been given an award by the church.

The Catholic church has now cleaned things up which it what the UK authorities need to do without regard for the race or religion of the perpetrators.

well you obviously live in cloud cokoo land nearly everyone i know and have met in last 10 or so years are now totally fascist and loathe all muslims and these were what would be considered liberal/socialist backgrounds

I'm now one of them having in past tried to defend muslim communities. I even upset my This wife when i walked out several times from someones house because they were so full of hatred for muslims. No more and I've not yet defended to what many would love to see (total annihilation of all Muslims) I feel i can no longer defend muslims and want them totally out of UK and anything to do with my life period.

you would be amazed at how many in a secret poll would agree 100% and also loathe hate all Muslims

[mrtoad]

The FarcRight vote is going to be a lot bigger than the mainstream.parties want to believe.

[Escapologist]

You show me an English town with significant numbers of Muslims and I'll show you a town infested with the racially-targeted sexual exploitation of underage poor English girls (euphemistically referred to as "grooming"). Nearly a decade ago, Greater Manchester police banned the airing of a Channel 4 documentary about Muslim paedo gangs in Keighley on grounds that it might interfere with the upcoming elections (and the BNP might take votes from Labour). Well, a quick Google reveals that not much has changed in Keighley as a consequence of Labour's politicisation of the police and local authorities.

Why would the Greater Manchester police ban a Channel 4 documentary about paedo gangs in Yorkshire? How could they? They have no power to ban any TV programme.

You are right, it was West Yorkshire police, Chief Colin Cramphorn, to be precise. Nonetheless, the point about the police stopping the broadcast remains; even if my memory is more than a bit sketchy! Keighley, Bradford, there have been so many discovered cases that it's easy to get confused!

From 2004: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3750557.stm

[sustento]

You show me an English town with significant numbers of Muslims and I'll show you a town infested with the racially-targeted sexual exploitation of underage poor English girls (euphemistically referred to as "grooming"). Nearly a decade ago, Greater Manchester police banned the airing of a Channel 4 documentary about Muslim paedo gangs in Keighley on grounds that it might interfere with the upcoming elections (and the BNP might take votes from Labour). Well, a quick Google reveals that not much has changed in Keighley as a consequence of Labour's politicisation of the police and local authorities.

Why would the Greater Manchester police ban a Channel 4 documentary about paedo gangs in Yorkshire? How could they? They have no power to ban any TV programme.

You are right, it was West Yorkshire police, Chief Colin Cramphorn, to be precise. Nonetheless, the point about the police stopping the broadcast remains; even if my memory is more than a bit sketchy! Keighley, Bradford, there have been so many discovered cases that it's easy to get confused!

From 2004: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3750557.stm

The broadcast wasn't 'stopped'. It was postponed until after a local election. This all happened 10 years ago.

[MAJIC]

This actually sounds like some sort of racist (or anti-Islam) propaganda.

The numbers seem too high to be real.

Read the story again,it was the fear of being labelled Rascialists that decided the Police and Rotherham Council from bringing the case into the Public domain.

So much for PC!

[nontabury]

You show me an English town with significant numbers of Muslims and I'll show you a town infested with the racially-targeted sexual exploitation of underage poor English girls (euphemistically referred to as "grooming"). Nearly a decade ago, Greater Manchester police banned the airing of a Channel 4 documentary about Muslim paedo gangs in Keighley on grounds that it might interfere with the upcoming elections (and the BNP might take votes from Labour). Well, a quick Google reveals that not much has changed in Keighley as a consequence of Labour's politicisation of the police and local authorities.

Why would the Greater Manchester police ban a Channel 4 documentary about paedo gangs in Yorkshire? How could they? They have no power to ban any TV programme.

You are right, it was West Yorkshire police, Chief Colin Cramphorn, to be precise. Nonetheless, the point about the police stopping the broadcast remains; even if my memory is more than a bit sketchy! Keighley, Bradford, there have been so many discovered cases that it's easy to get confused!

From 2004: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3750557.stm

Amazing, and to think it's still taking place after another 10yrs. These Muslim paedophile gangs have only been able to get away with it due to the inaction of the political parties, unfortunately the electorate are also to blame for giving them a mandate to carry out their policies.

Lets just hope that the electorate have now woken up.

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