Do you keep your router on 24/7?

[Peterphuket]

It gets hot. That can't be optimal.

Most electronics can run hot without any problems. For example, at my work we test our IC's to run smoothly at 125 degrees Celsius ambient temp (from -40 up to 125 actually). No issues there for IC's.

However if the total box gets too hot there will be a fire hazard.

It depends of the junction temperature of the semiconductors, you know?

Hi Peter,

not only the junction temp, but also ambient temp of the complete IC's, since it's not only the die inside the package, but also all other's, like leadframe, mouldings etc. of the IC's.

Indeed the junction temp inside the transistors (or N/PMOS/diodes etc. if you like) should not get too hot, but 125 degrees C is mostly nothing to worry about.

(PS: I'm working as an electronics engineer, so yes, I know (well, actually groupleader of several Thai ee's now).

Hello Briggsy,

Whell, than you know that the junction temperature will not exceeding the 125 degrees celsius, so if the ambient temperature for example is 50 degrees celsius in the device, the maximum temperature of the junction in all that stuff is reached quickly. And yes I'm a retired electronic ingineer so am I, I know where I'm talking about.

With regards.

[Eaglekott]

turning things on and off is what usually break things, if they are on 24/7 they tend to run forever. I had two identically computers, with same technical specifications and drives. One as a server on all the time, I never had any problem with that. The other was turned on/off put to sleep several times each day. That one broke in may ways Drives, power supply, even graphics card. Also bulbs, especially the low energy once breaks when you turn then on and off. If you leave them on they work 20,000 hours and up, if you turn them on and off you would be happy if you see 1000 on hours.

[Cheops]

It depends of the junction temperature of the semiconductors, you know?

Hi Peter,

not only the junction temp, but also ambient temp of the complete IC's, since it's not only the die inside the package, but also all other's, like leadframe, mouldings etc. of the IC's.

Indeed the junction temp inside the transistors (or N/PMOS/diodes etc. if you like) should not get too hot, but 125 degrees C is mostly nothing to worry about.

(PS: I'm working as an electronics engineer, so yes, I know (well, actually groupleader of several Thai ee's now).

Hello Briggsy,

Whell, than you know that the junction temperature will not exceeding the 125 degrees celsius, so if the ambient temperature for example is 50 degrees celsius in the device, the maximum temperature of the junction in all that stuff is reached quickly. And yes I'm a retired electronic ingineer so am I, I know where I'm talking about.

With regards.

Hi Peter,

thanks for your reply. You were replying to Cheops, not Briggsy

Have a nice weekend (what's left of it). Tomorrow I'm back at work.

[Peterphuket]

It depends of the junction temperature of the semiconductors, you know?

Hi Peter,

not only the junction temp, but also ambient temp of the complete IC's, since it's not only the die inside the package, but also all other's, like leadframe, mouldings etc. of the IC's.

Indeed the junction temp inside the transistors (or N/PMOS/diodes etc. if you like) should not get too hot, but 125 degrees C is mostly nothing to worry about.

(PS: I'm working as an electronics engineer, so yes, I know (well, actually groupleader of several Thai ee's now).

Hello Briggsy,

Whell, than you know that the junction temperature will not exceeding the 125 degrees celsius, so if the ambient temperature for example is 50 degrees celsius in the device, the maximum temperature of the junction in all that stuff is reached quickly. And yes I'm a retired electronic ingineer so am I, I know where I'm talking about.

With regards.

Hi Peter,

thanks for your reply. You were replying to Cheops, not Briggsy

Have a nice weekend (what's left of it). Tomorrow I'm back at work.

I'm sorry for the reply to the wrong person!

Thank you, regards,

Peter.

[pendingo]

Im saying that if everyone in the world be it at home or in business turned off their routers at night the internet as we know it will stop working. Where do you think the internet comes from, space?

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It would never be off entirely because of the different time zones around the world. When you are going to bed someone else is getting up. Anyway to keep on topic I never turn my router and modem off unless there is a problem. I turn off my PC and laptop when they are not being used and also my tablet. Turning off the router seems to be a pointless exercise otherwise. I tend to agree with the guys on here who say leave it on.

[pendingo]

I turn mine off because I don't think having wifi signals bouncing around all day an night is great for your health. I know I can't avoid them all, but nothing to lose by turning it off when I go to bed.

Even if you turn it off there are still radio signals "bouncing around" from other sources, possibly even stronger ones. We are all exposed to radiation of some sort or other 24/7. Think about it!!

[poweratradio]

Turn off and unplug? I know people actually do this but has never been in my routine, or my parents - and we were not rich. At the cost of electronics today (almost free) can not see turning off modem unless it is for Green reasons. I do not turn off as grandchildren are still using WiFi long after my bedtime many nights.

Our router is built into our cables modem and we leave it on because no matter where we are or when we can access the internet on our phones or tablets.

[USNret]

Haven't turned mine off in years. Power savings would be negligible and it's a pain to reach behind the cabinet to plug/unplug daily. Not worth the effort. As posted by others, on/off cycles are hard on electronics; it's better for them to stay on all the time. Also, my house is populated with Apple products & they generally do their software updates at night (Macs with newer OS have a PowerNap mode which will wake up to do updates while you sleep). I also have Vonage connected to my router which has a U.S. phone number. Despite my best efforts over the years, family & friends back home are incapable of comprehending timezones & generally call at night (my time). I don't mind being woken up & appreciate taking calls from back home which I would miss if the router was off.

[rhythmworx]

Disconnecting your router will slow your speeds down.

[flagator96]

I switch everything off, because I do not believe in the waste of energy resources and depleting them when not in use.

But primarily, for my health, radiation will kill me one day.

I could not agree more. Moreover, it surprises me how many people are willing to have their brains microwaved by wi-fi, cell phones and smart meters day and night.

Just because you do not feel an effect it does not mean the effect is not there. Independently funded studies ( no money from telco corporations) find again and again that brain cell DNA is damaged from wifi, cell phones and microwaves in general. Your body can keep up with repairing that DNA damage up to a point but beyond that the damage is irreversible. No wonder demential, alzheimers disease, autism and other neurodegenerative disorders have skyrocketed in the last 25 years. Is it all chance?

You can check the facts here:

www.bioinitiative.org

[rhythmworx]

I switch everything off, because I do not believe in the waste of energy resources and depleting them when not in use.

But primarily, for my health, radiation will kill me one day.

I could not agree more. Moreover, it surprises me how many people are willing to have their brains microwaved by wi-fi, cell phones and smart meters day and night.

Just because you do not feel an effect it does not mean the effect is not there. Independently funded studies ( no money from telco corporations) find again and again that brain cell DNA is damaged from wifi, cell phones and microwaves in general. Your body can keep up with repairing that DNA damage up to a point but beyond that the damage is irreversible. No wonder demential, alzheimers disease, autism and other neurodegenerative disorders have skyrocketed in the last 25 years. Is it all chance?

You can check the facts here:

www.bioinitiative.org

OK so you turn off your wifi router while next doors on bith sides and the floor above and the place across the road are still radiating through you.

Turn off your mobile while the waves from the mast are radiating through you to the handsets of your neighbours..

Worry about a tumour or similar?

Do you keep you windows closed and wear a filtration mask when walking down the street?

Do you smoke, drink or eat foods cooked in hydrogenated oils.

Do you eat gas flushed meat, red meat?

I could go on and on.......

[Farang99]

I shut everything down and unplug before I go to sleep, I think that this is a safety thing in me from when I was a kid . Mum and Dad always did this every night.

Havimg lost several pieces of equipment due to power surges after power cuts I turn everything off when not in use.

[jacko45k]

If you use TOT you need to cycle it every now and again to get the connection back!

As to deliberately turning it off,as said before, this stresses devices more than leaving them on.

If I have a power outage I go round unplugging electronics and turn my pool pump off.

[misterphil]

Turn it off for what? Electric is cheap as chips in Thailand.

[Pii Kate]

I download movies, etc and some takes hours. I'm not sure anything will come through if my router is not on.

[iamariva1957]

I keep mine on 24/7. My ONLY reason for doing this is because every time I have switched it off in the past, so as to do 'my part'... when I switch it back on nothing happens! Personally, I think it is a plan by 3BB to get me to get a new router. So I keep mine on so I can avoid going to their office, redoing the password, and then coming home with the new unit just to sit there and hope that when I plug the thing in.... presto... it works!

Just maker sure your router and its WiFi signal are password protected and be comfortable with the fact that as a unit it does not pull much power at all as so will cost you your next 3 children.

[Eneukman]

I switch mine off at night unless I'm downloading a torrent. Otherwise, unless I'm out for a lengthy period during the day, it will be switched on from when I get up in the morning until I go to bed at night.

Alan

[WhizBang]

I leave mine on 24/7, mainly because I do most of my downloading at night. Usually get better DL speed at night.

[jossthaifarang]

Could you imagine what would happen to the internet if people turned them off at night? No internet.

Bwahahahahahahahaha, you funny.

Why is that funny? Its very true!

So you are saying if everyone at home turned off their router there would be no internet........

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha, You funny.

Well its true, if you turn it off you have no internet... Till you turn it on again that is....

[KhnomKhnom]

Anytime anything electric in topic comes up on TV, out come the ignorant, and some dangerous, opinions. What is it about electric and electronic stuff that makes typists here 'instant experts' of wrong information, often given in great detail?

1. Leaving modem/router on hurts nothing and electric consumed is tiny, about like the pilot light on an "off" tv set.

2. Turning it off occasionally for three minutes (to let the capacitors discharge) is said to reset its address and some think that is a good idea. I do that about once a month when I think about it.

3. Certainly unplugging everything from electric and phone, etc. is the only way to obtain great lightning and power surge protection, it is a huge bother. Also, that provides no protection while in use, plugged up.

3a. Switching OFF the circuit breaker for the sensitive outlets or switching OFF the Main whole-house breaker can provide some protection, too. These breakers are in the main box, usually mounted high on a wall.

3b. See 4d.

4. "Surge protector" electric socket "strips" can provide electric power upward spikes (sudden and brief increases in voltage) protection.

4a. Most cheaper models do not have the devices inside to do this although the advertisement on the box says they do.

4b. Most cheaper models will burn out the protection devices with the FIRST surge. After that, the model is worthless as a protection device but will continue to be ok as an outlet strip. Some blink a light but most show no signs of failure.

4c. Best surge protector socket strips include a fuse that is to blow if the MOV devices inside the strip overheat. The fuse may add more long life to the MOV devices but is not a "cure all."

4d. Socket strips often include a lighted on-off switch; to obtain good protection by switching this OFF, the switch must kill both hot and neutral in Thailand; most socket strips switches only kill one wire by opening the path from supply to sockets (see also 6c). OFF with that switch is better than nothing.

5. Any other claims of "protection" by these electric socket strips can not provide those functions IF the third pin on the wire plug does not go to ground, real earth.

6. There is no other way to obtain a good earth ground except by having a good ground rod deep in the earth, or buried bare wires laid out under the earth, the dirt. Wires from the socket strip third pin must go to that earthing, grounding, system or rod.

6a. Thai two-pin sockets offer NO earthing, grounding.

6b. Some Thai three pin sockets have no ground wire from the third pin to an actual ground/earthing.

6c. The so called "neutral wire" (as opposed to the "hot" wire) is not a source for grounding/earthing in Thailand due to the occasional reversal of these wires connections from the electric company source and other reasons.

7. LOW voltage downward spikes or longer low voltage situations like brown outs, also can provide problems. A very high quality UPS, with a real surge protector either built in or separately installed before the UPS should solve almost all LOW voltage problems.

8. Many socket strips also claim to include EMI/RFI filtering. This refers to all kinds of electromagnetic radiation that can be imposed on sensitive electrical or electronic circuits (stuff inside the tv or computer or stereo). This filtering is usually by a capacitor to ground, but again if there is no ground, there is no filtering action.

The most important message concerns grounding/earthing. A DIY project can install a three pin socket with the hot wire on the shorter flat pin and neutral to the longer flat pin, and a wire, usually #12AWG and coated green plastic, from the third pin to a real ground rod in the earth, dirt. I have done this, but have not connected the neutral (nor the hot) to this ground, IMPORTANT.

[sonny2los]

I leave my modem on 24/7. However, I unsubscribe my internet service at night and get a subscription again in the morning. Pretty simple, huh.

[metisdead]

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[KhnomKhnom]

I turn mine off because I don't think having wifi signals bouncing around all day an night is great for your health. I know I can't avoid them all, but nothing to lose by turning it off when I go to bed.

Yes, WiFi involves radiating RF energy. However, today's environments, except in very remote places, are so rich in RF that the little WiFi is nothing compared to multi kilowatt television transmitters, for example.

Your suburban/urban normal RF environment includes

Television transmitters

AM and FM transmitters

Police and military radio and data

Your cell hand telephone

Gate remote openers

Toy and real walkie-talkies.

Wireless keyboards/mice.

Wireless headphones.

And so much other things that your metal teeth should hum and your metal belt buckle warm up. That does not happen, of course, but do not stand in front of a microwave high power transmit antenna; fries eyeballs.

This list does not include metal things electrified by INDUCTION mostly from power lines.

Harms to human flesh; no one really knows at normal power levels.

[Keesters]

The most important message concerns grounding/earthing. A DIY project can install a three pin socket with the hot wire on the shorter flat pin and neutral to the longer flat pin, and a wire, usually #12AWG and coated green plastic, from the third pin to a real ground rod in the earth, dirt. I have done this, but have not connected the neutral (nor the hot) to this ground, IMPORTANT.

Over the years I've managed to earth a good deal of my house's electrical system. Kitchen & bathrooms first. Study (where all the electronics live) second, outside power points third. Done as you mentioned except the earth wire not always green due to lack of stock. Once a Thai electrician (that's what he called himself, I have a different name !@#$) while scratching his head also tried to connect neutral to earth. He was promptly ejected from the premises. Another just couldn't work out how to connect a German made ELCB until I held his hand and guided him through the process that was clearly printed on the case.

I'm pretty confident that there are more household accidents and deaths caused by faulty electrical wiring in Thailand than caused by RF in not turning off your electronics.

[maswov]

Funnily enough, I've been with TOT, 3BB and now with Sophon Internet and in all three cases they told me to switch my modem off when not using it. I suspect this is getting the best possible performance from it in their opinion. Only today I was getting the "connected" message while at the same time getting the "no internet access"message, I closed the modem and opened it again immediately and hey presto...., I got my internet access.....so there must be some validity in what they say..

Really they just don't understand, someone before them told them that. If you ask them why it needs to be turned off you will probably get a different answer from each person you ask. Cycling the equipment, which many times solves the issue, is the first thing most techs will do when troubleshooting especially for computers and ancillary equipment.

[Lamphen]

I always keep it on, even if I go travelling for weeks.

Then it will always be up to date with the latest upgrades from my internet provider.

[Lemsta69]

Ours stays on 24/7 but the speed slows to a crawl every so often (Optus cable broadband) and it needs to be rebooted. Reason for not powering down every night: CBF Syndrome :-)

[sfokevin]

I turn mine off because I don't think having wifi signals bouncing around all day an night is great for your health. I know I can't avoid them all, but nothing to lose by turning it off when I go to bed.

Even if you turn it off there are still radio signals "bouncing around" from other sources, possibly even stronger ones. We are all exposed to radiation of some sort or other 24/7. Think about it!!

Yes think of all your neighbors radiated porn streaming thru your body while you sleep at night...

[thairastawoman]

So why not make it clear and say that it's ridiculous to switch off yoru router ?

Just read what people who really know what they are talking about on they thread explain and it's easy to know which way is the stupid one.

[MAJIC]

My Network provider,advises doing this in their Manual,aparently it keeps up the speed,while switching off slows the Router down!