US teacher accidentally shoots self

[NeverSure]

Who's denying the rulings of the Supreme Court? It is the final arbiter, period (if even it's by one vote of the nine members). The Second Amendment says what the SCOTUS says it says, end of.

The Second Amendment says a well regulated militia - that's you and I and tens of millions of other Americans. The argument is over regulation and well regulated.

Ownership and use of firearms in the United States whether they are licensed or unlicensed are in a great need of more and improved, expanded. legislation, laws, rules, regulation.

Ownership and use of firearms in the U.S. are not well regulated and they are barely regulated at all. Not enough laws exist and the few laws that do exist either are woefully inadequate or have a Swiss cheese of loopholes.

Every time public safety issues involving guns are brought before the Congress and in state legislatures the 2nd Amendment absolutists rail loudly and incessantly against enactment of any and all new proposals to improve public safety and social security.

There is little regulation of firearms and virtually nothing about guns in the USA is well regulated. So it's long past time the absolutist gun advocates in the U.S. began to respect the constitution and to comply with it.

What part of "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

[Publicus]

Who's denying the rulings of the Supreme Court? It is the final arbiter, period (if even it's by one vote of the nine members). The Second Amendment says what the SCOTUS says it says, end of.

The Second Amendment says a well regulated militia - that's you and I and tens of millions of other Americans. The argument is over regulation and well regulated.

Ownership and use of firearms in the United States whether they are licensed or unlicensed are in a great need of more and improved, expanded. legislation, laws, rules, regulation.

Ownership and use of firearms in the U.S. are not well regulated and they are barely regulated at all. Not enough laws exist and the few laws that do exist either are woefully inadequate or have a Swiss cheese of loopholes.

Every time public safety issues involving guns are brought before the Congress and in state legislatures the 2nd Amendment absolutists rail loudly and incessantly against enactment of any and all new proposals to improve public safety and social security.

There is little regulation of firearms and virtually nothing about guns in the USA is well regulated. So it's long past time the absolutist gun advocates in the U.S. began to respect the constitution and to comply with it.

What part of "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

Absolutist, as I'd said. A 100 per cent guy, same as the NRA and you guys are wrong.

The moment Congress made the first law regulating guns and the Supreme Court let it stand was the very instant any absolutist reading of the Second Amendment went into the history books. The Constitution says what the SCOTUS says it says, and the Supreme Court hasn't ever said Congress can't make any laws regulating guns.

Neither has the SCOTUS said Congress cannot make too many laws regulating gun ownership or possession, or that Congress has in fact made too many laws regulating guns and that Congress had better watch out about that in the future or else.

No gun owner is necessarily or automatically "infringed" when Congress enacts gun legislation, yet the NRA is absolutely fanatical to stop absolutely any or all legislation proposed to further regulate guns, and bases its absolutist hysteria in the language of the Second Amendment. The basic problem is that the NRA and the Second Amendment absolutists cannot make a reasoned or reasonable reading of the constitution, nor can they recognize the body of existing statutes regulating guns, or the gun decisions of the past 200+ years by the Supreme Court..

It's the same concerning the First Amendment which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The fact is the Congress of the United States has enacted a body of law in each of these areas that would horrify any absolutist reader.

For the record, here again and for convenience is the Second Amendment, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Hell, the 2nd Amendment doesn't even say "no law." It instead says "infringed." I guess what to you is infringement is to me government regulation of gun ownership, use, possession, in the interests of my personal safety and to assure as much as is reasonably possible the public welfare and safety concerning guns.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Publicus

[FritsSikkink]

And now we wait until a teacher accidentally shoots a child.