Scottish independence: Decision day

[jpinx]

Agree... and after 300 odd years its now decision time and we should have the results around this time tomorrow......

Whats the future ? .....a New Nation or more of the same?...at the moment.....its mai Ko Jai........

All down to the voters of Scotland....

For me there can only be one response.............YES....

I find it hard to believe the vote is going to be close....its a whole lot of YES I am hearing!

Do you have a link (maybe by pm) to a stream of exit polls ?

[smokie36]

Agree... and after 300 odd years its now decision time and we should have the results around this time tomorrow......

Whats the future ? .....a New Nation or more of the same?...at the moment.....its mai Ko Jai........

All down to the voters of Scotland....

For me there can only be one response.............YES....

I find it hard to believe the vote is going to be close....its a whole lot of YES I am hearing!

Do you have a link (maybe by pm) to a stream of exit polls ?

Don't think anyone is doing a real time exit poll?

[smokie36]

Agree... and after 300 odd years its now decision time and we should have the results around this time tomorrow......

Whats the future ? .....a New Nation or more of the same?...at the moment.....its mai Ko Jai........

All down to the voters of Scotland....

For me there can only be one response.............YES....

I find it hard to believe the vote is going to be close....its a whole lot of YES I am hearing!

Do you have a link (maybe by pm) to a stream of exit polls ?

Don't think anyone is doing a real time exit poll?

A Glaswegian fresh back from the ballot box has just told me that exit polls are banned today.

He was able to reveal the count at his local station when he slipped the paper in the box was YES 1 NO 0.

[Keesters]

Agree... and after 300 odd years its now decision time and we should have the results around this time tomorrow......

Whats the future ? .....a New Nation or more of the same?...at the moment.....its mai Ko Jai........

All down to the voters of Scotland....

For me there can only be one response.............YES....

I find it hard to believe the vote is going to be close....its a whole lot of YES I am hearing!

And probably even more YES if the rest of the union had a choice in the matter.

Seriously what has Scotland ever done for me except make a good single malt. And I can and do live without it.

[Jingthing]

A view from Washington:

NO will win.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-voting-for-the-love-of-scotland/2014/09/17/dbe28d56-3e8e-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html

This is getting exciting!

[smokie36]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152273120685881

[StevieH]

Agree... and after 300 odd years its now decision time and we should have the results around this time tomorrow......

Whats the future ? .....a New Nation or more of the same?...at the moment.....its mai Ko Jai........

All down to the voters of Scotland....

For me there can only be one response.............YES....

I find it hard to believe the vote is going to be close....its a whole lot of YES I am hearing!

betfair have got it at 1.22 for the noes. i'm amazed it's still this close on voting day given how much media bias there has been against the yes campaign.

[jpinx]

A view from Washington:

NO will win.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-voting-for-the-love-of-scotland/2014/09/17/dbe28d56-3e8e-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html

This is getting exciting!

He's totally missed the point. Scotland has not been allowed the choices it wanted -- the 3 questions -- due totally to Westminster's authoritarianism

[Jingthing]

It's a big risk.

Both sides have good arguments.

[smokie36]

Agree... and after 300 odd years its now decision time and we should have the results around this time tomorrow......

Whats the future ? .....a New Nation or more of the same?...at the moment.....its mai Ko Jai........

All down to the voters of Scotland....

For me there can only be one response.............YES....

I find it hard to believe the vote is going to be close....its a whole lot of YES I am hearing!

betfair have got it at 1.22 for the noes. i'm amazed it's still this close on voting day given how much media bias there has been against the yes campaign.

Look at the facebook link i posted Stevie....that was last night....YES are everywhere on the ground and have been for months.

The no media bias won't win this one.....I remain confident.

[BKK Blues Brother]

It's a big risk.

Both sides have good arguments.

This will give you a laugh and put everything into perspective JT..

The amount of <deleted> spouted by absolute <deleted> bellends on this referendum is mind boggling people should READ <deleted> BOOKS INSTEAD OF BLOGS!

its Scotland's oil! Eh no it's no even Britain's oil it's <deleted> BP, Shell and Exxon's oil they just pay a sub charge to extract the oil and bring it ashore to be refined! If it was Scotland's oil why are none of these jackanory bastards promising you a vast reduction in fuel duty in the event of independence? Cause that's where the government make their <deleted> money!

Scotland doesnae get the government it votes for vote for independence get them Tories oot! Eh I don't see English, Welsh and Ulster parents bemoaning about Scottish war criminals who lead us into wars for their pals Brown, Darling, Robertson, Cook and Scottish educated Anthony Blair and his wee jakeball bastard crony Alistair Campbell but hey it's all Etons fault eh

David Cameron is flogging the NHS off to all his pals! Eh if ye'd actually fuckin read up on history ye'll find that a condition of an IMF loan is the government must sell off state assets to create a free market economy carrying out the the economic policies dreamt up by Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys which is what's been going on since Labour sold the jersey's in 1976 and went for a £2billion bailout which then began the domino effect of closing pits selling off the railways BT, BP etc etc but hey it's wee Maggies fault the she devil as those pontificating socialists love to shout to anybody who cares! The IMF run this country these governments

Just carry out what their told to! It's why a <deleted> Canadian is the gaffer at the Bank of England!!! You <deleted> think yer getting it rough now just thank The Lord ye live here and didnae have to truly suffer like the South Americans who were the guinea pigs to all this in the 70's!!!! What's John Swinney openly stated he's gonae do on the first day of independence? Aye borrow £2.5billion and that's just to start with!! Aye a better future for yer weans indeed is truly around the corner!!!

How can there be foodbanks in Scotland this is a disgrace!!! Aye how can there be when ye've £500m for a stupid parliament building £1.5billion for trams the majority of you will never use £2billion for a new forth road bridge £850m for a makeover for an Edinburgh shopping centre £200m for a shopping centre in Haymarket £billions to throw on the regeneration of the South side and east end of Glesga millions spent on the Hydro I mean how many <deleted> concert venues does Glesga <deleted> need? How much did they blow on that glorified school sports day the commonwealth games and the fuckin Ryder cup? Aye but who gives a <deleted> about peasants no being able to feed themselves give them a tin of beans and a cuppa soup!!!

We can be like Norway where their average wage is double ours? Aye it's also £8 for a pint, £18 to see a GP, £30 to visit a hospital, their roads have tolls and no free travel for OAPs that sounds <deleted> jolly as <deleted>!!

The bedroom tax oooft <deleted> which amounts to £50million a year but the SNP decided we'll pay it this year for ye's well if they can pick it up this year THEY CAN <deleted> DO IT EVERY YEAR!!!

It's oooor Pound!! Aye just what ye want another country setting your interest rates and borrowing rates I've always wanted to live in Greece let's have some of that hyper inflation and no jobs because Scotland is an economy built on the service industry all foreign owned that can be flat packed off to anywhere they want!!!!

But independence will deal with real social issues! Don't give us yer <deleted> pish when this SNP government have pie'd the efforts of John Muir to deal with Scotland's real Weapons of Mass Destructiom THE <deleted> KNIFE!!! They don't give a <deleted> about oinks stabbing oinks unless they get the chance for a somber photo opportunity to show they care about ye!!! Fucksake it was only 6 week ago there was a march in Glesga against the high volume of sex crimes in that city but hey there was more than enough coppers on the streets during the commonwealth games to make ye all feel safe eh!!

That's no even countering in jailing people for singing songs at fitba matches the polis handing out their special wee licences to the gangsters who meet their criteria to sell drugs on the streets for them without so much as a chap at their door!!!

You'll get the country ye truly fuckin deserve!!!!

[super22k]

It is all so undemocratic.But if the Scottish vote "yes"just think of poor old Alex Salmon waking up on Friday morning having to create a new nation.WOW. What a nightmare.I will send him a bottle of Paracetamol to relieve his head ache,not to overdose.Just a minute.....let me think about this...er...Yes to overdose.

[smokie36]

It's a big risk.

Both sides have good arguments.

This will give you a laugh and put everything into perspective JT..

The amount of <deleted> spouted by absolute <deleted> bellends on this referendum is mind boggling people should READ <deleted> BOOKS INSTEAD OF BLOGS!

its Scotland's oil! Eh no it's no even Britain's oil it's <deleted> BP, Shell and Exxon's oil they just pay a sub charge to extract the oil and bring it ashore to be refined! If it was Scotland's oil why are none of these jackanory bastards promising you a vast reduction in fuel duty in the event of independence? Cause that's where the government make their <deleted> money!

Scotland doesnae get the government it votes for vote for independence get them Tories oot! Eh I don't see English, Welsh and Ulster parents bemoaning about Scottish war criminals who lead us into wars for their pals Brown, Darling, Robertson, Cook and Scottish educated Anthony Blair and his wee jakeball bastard crony Alistair Campbell but hey it's all Etons fault eh

David Cameron is flogging the NHS off to all his pals! Eh if ye'd actually fuckin read up on history ye'll find that a condition of an IMF loan is the government must sell off state assets to create a free market economy carrying out the the economic policies dreamt up by Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys which is what's been going on since Labour sold the jersey's in 1976 and went for a £2billion bailout which then began the domino effect of closing pits selling off the railways BT, BP etc etc but hey it's wee Maggies fault the she devil as those pontificating socialists love to shout to anybody who cares! The IMF run this country these governments

Just carry out what their told to! It's why a <deleted> Canadian is the gaffer at the Bank of England!!! You <deleted> think yer getting it rough now just thank The Lord ye live here and didnae have to truly suffer like the South Americans who were the guinea pigs to all this in the 70's!!!! What's John Swinney openly stated he's gonae do on the first day of independence? Aye borrow £2.5billion and that's just to start with!! Aye a better future for yer weans indeed is truly around the corner!!!

How can there be foodbanks in Scotland this is a disgrace!!! Aye how can there be when ye've £500m for a stupid parliament building £1.5billion for trams the majority of you will never use £2billion for a new forth road bridge £850m for a makeover for an Edinburgh shopping centre £200m for a shopping centre in Haymarket £billions to throw on the regeneration of the South side and east end of Glesga millions spent on the Hydro I mean how many <deleted> concert venues does Glesga <deleted> need? How much did they blow on that glorified school sports day the commonwealth games and the fuckin Ryder cup? Aye but who gives a <deleted> about peasants no being able to feed themselves give them a tin of beans and a cuppa soup!!!

We can be like Norway where their average wage is double ours? Aye it's also £8 for a pint, £18 to see a GP, £30 to visit a hospital, their roads have tolls and no free travel for OAPs that sounds <deleted> jolly as <deleted>!!

The bedroom tax oooft <deleted> which amounts to £50million a year but the SNP decided we'll pay it this year for ye's well if they can pick it up this year THEY CAN <deleted> DO IT EVERY YEAR!!!

It's oooor Pound!! Aye just what ye want another country setting your interest rates and borrowing rates I've always wanted to live in Greece let's have some of that hyper inflation and no jobs because Scotland is an economy built on the service industry all foreign owned that can be flat packed off to anywhere they want!!!!

But independence will deal with real social issues! Don't give us yer <deleted> pish when this SNP government have pie'd the efforts of John Muir to deal with Scotland's real Weapons of Mass Destructiom THE <deleted> KNIFE!!! They don't give a <deleted> about oinks stabbing oinks unless they get the chance for a somber photo opportunity to show they care about ye!!! Fucksake it was only 6 week ago there was a march in Glesga against the high volume of sex crimes in that city but hey there was more than enough coppers on the streets during the commonwealth games to make ye all feel safe eh!!

That's no even countering in jailing people for singing songs at fitba matches the polis handing out their special wee licences to the gangsters who meet their criteria to sell drugs on the streets for them without so much as a chap at their door!!!

You'll get the country ye truly fuckin deserve!!!!

This negativity is rife amongst the no camp. Nice rant.

[BKK Blues Brother]

It's a big risk.

Both sides have good arguments.

This will give you a laugh and put everything into perspective JT..

The amount of <deleted> spouted by absolute <deleted> bellends on this referendum is mind boggling people should READ <deleted> BOOKS INSTEAD OF BLOGS!

its Scotland's oil! Eh no it's no even Britain's oil it's <deleted> BP, Shell and Exxon's oil they just pay a sub charge to extract the oil and bring it ashore to be refined! If it was Scotland's oil why are none of these jackanory bastards promising you a vast reduction in fuel duty in the event of independence? Cause that's where the government make their <deleted> money!

Scotland doesnae get the government it votes for vote for independence get them Tories oot! Eh I don't see English, Welsh and Ulster parents bemoaning about Scottish war criminals who lead us into wars for their pals Brown, Darling, Robertson, Cook and Scottish educated Anthony Blair and his wee jakeball bastard crony Alistair Campbell but hey it's all Etons fault eh

David Cameron is flogging the NHS off to all his pals! Eh if ye'd actually fuckin read up on history ye'll find that a condition of an IMF loan is the government must sell off state assets to create a free market economy carrying out the the economic policies dreamt up by Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys which is what's been going on since Labour sold the jersey's in 1976 and went for a £2billion bailout which then began the domino effect of closing pits selling off the railways BT, BP etc etc but hey it's wee Maggies fault the she devil as those pontificating socialists love to shout to anybody who cares! The IMF run this country these governments

Just carry out what their told to! It's why a <deleted> Canadian is the gaffer at the Bank of England!!! You <deleted> think yer getting it rough now just thank The Lord ye live here and didnae have to truly suffer like the South Americans who were the guinea pigs to all this in the 70's!!!! What's John Swinney openly stated he's gonae do on the first day of independence? Aye borrow £2.5billion and that's just to start with!! Aye a better future for yer weans indeed is truly around the corner!!!

How can there be foodbanks in Scotland this is a disgrace!!! Aye how can there be when ye've £500m for a stupid parliament building £1.5billion for trams the majority of you will never use £2billion for a new forth road bridge £850m for a makeover for an Edinburgh shopping centre £200m for a shopping centre in Haymarket £billions to throw on the regeneration of the South side and east end of Glesga millions spent on the Hydro I mean how many <deleted> concert venues does Glesga <deleted> need? How much did they blow on that glorified school sports day the commonwealth games and the fuckin Ryder cup? Aye but who gives a <deleted> about peasants no being able to feed themselves give them a tin of beans and a cuppa soup!!!

We can be like Norway where their average wage is double ours? Aye it's also £8 for a pint, £18 to see a GP, £30 to visit a hospital, their roads have tolls and no free travel for OAPs that sounds <deleted> jolly as <deleted>!!

The bedroom tax oooft <deleted> which amounts to £50million a year but the SNP decided we'll pay it this year for ye's well if they can pick it up this year THEY CAN <deleted> DO IT EVERY YEAR!!!

It's oooor Pound!! Aye just what ye want another country setting your interest rates and borrowing rates I've always wanted to live in Greece let's have some of that hyper inflation and no jobs because Scotland is an economy built on the service industry all foreign owned that can be flat packed off to anywhere they want!!!!

But independence will deal with real social issues! Don't give us yer <deleted> pish when this SNP government have pie'd the efforts of John Muir to deal with Scotland's real Weapons of Mass Destructiom THE <deleted> KNIFE!!! They don't give a <deleted> about oinks stabbing oinks unless they get the chance for a somber photo opportunity to show they care about ye!!! Fucksake it was only 6 week ago there was a march in Glesga against the high volume of sex crimes in that city but hey there was more than enough coppers on the streets during the commonwealth games to make ye all feel safe eh!!

That's no even countering in jailing people for singing songs at fitba matches the polis handing out their special wee licences to the gangsters who meet their criteria to sell drugs on the streets for them without so much as a chap at their door!!!

You'll get the country ye truly fuckin deserve!!!!

This negativity is rife amongst the no camp. Nice rant.

On a lighter note.....

Serious problems for The Proclaimers should Scotland go independent.

[Twice shy]

It's a big risk.

Both sides have good arguments.

This will give you a laugh and put everything into perspective JT..

The amount of <deleted> spouted by absolute <deleted> bellends on this referendum is mind boggling people should READ <deleted> BOOKS INSTEAD OF BLOGS!

its Scotland's oil! Eh no it's no even Britain's oil it's <deleted> BP, Shell and Exxon's oil they just pay a sub charge to extract the oil and bring it ashore to be refined! If it was Scotland's oil why are none of these jackanory bastards promising you a vast reduction in fuel duty in the event of independence? Cause that's where the government make their <deleted> money!

Scotland doesnae get the government it votes for vote for independence get them Tories oot! Eh I don't see English, Welsh and Ulster parents bemoaning about Scottish war criminals who lead us into wars for their pals Brown, Darling, Robertson, Cook and Scottish educated Anthony Blair and his wee jakeball bastard crony Alistair Campbell but hey it's all Etons fault eh

David Cameron is flogging the NHS off to all his pals! Eh if ye'd actually fuckin read up on history ye'll find that a condition of an IMF loan is the government must sell off state assets to create a free market economy carrying out the the economic policies dreamt up by Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys which is what's been going on since Labour sold the jersey's in 1976 and went for a £2billion bailout which then began the domino effect of closing pits selling off the railways BT, BP etc etc but hey it's wee Maggies fault the she devil as those pontificating socialists love to shout to anybody who cares! The IMF run this country these governments

Just carry out what their told to! It's why a <deleted> Canadian is the gaffer at the Bank of England!!! You <deleted> think yer getting it rough now just thank The Lord ye live here and didnae have to truly suffer like the South Americans who were the guinea pigs to all this in the 70's!!!! What's John Swinney openly stated he's gonae do on the first day of independence? Aye borrow £2.5billion and that's just to start with!! Aye a better future for yer weans indeed is truly around the corner!!!

How can there be foodbanks in Scotland this is a disgrace!!! Aye how can there be when ye've £500m for a stupid parliament building £1.5billion for trams the majority of you will never use £2billion for a new forth road bridge £850m for a makeover for an Edinburgh shopping centre £200m for a shopping centre in Haymarket £billions to throw on the regeneration of the South side and east end of Glesga millions spent on the Hydro I mean how many <deleted> concert venues does Glesga <deleted> need? How much did they blow on that glorified school sports day the commonwealth games and the fuckin Ryder cup? Aye but who gives a <deleted> about peasants no being able to feed themselves give them a tin of beans and a cuppa soup!!!

We can be like Norway where their average wage is double ours? Aye it's also £8 for a pint, £18 to see a GP, £30 to visit a hospital, their roads have tolls and no free travel for OAPs that sounds <deleted> jolly as <deleted>!!

The bedroom tax oooft <deleted> which amounts to £50million a year but the SNP decided we'll pay it this year for ye's well if they can pick it up this year THEY CAN <deleted> DO IT EVERY YEAR!!!

It's oooor Pound!! Aye just what ye want another country setting your interest rates and borrowing rates I've always wanted to live in Greece let's have some of that hyper inflation and no jobs because Scotland is an economy built on the service industry all foreign owned that can be flat packed off to anywhere they want!!!!

But independence will deal with real social issues! Don't give us yer <deleted> pish when this SNP government have pie'd the efforts of John Muir to deal with Scotland's real Weapons of Mass Destructiom THE <deleted> KNIFE!!! They don't give a <deleted> about oinks stabbing oinks unless they get the chance for a somber photo opportunity to show they care about ye!!! Fucksake it was only 6 week ago there was a march in Glesga against the high volume of sex crimes in that city but hey there was more than enough coppers on the streets during the commonwealth games to make ye all feel safe eh!!

That's no even countering in jailing people for singing songs at fitba matches the polis handing out their special wee licences to the gangsters who meet their criteria to sell drugs on the streets for them without so much as a chap at their door!!!

You'll get the country ye truly fuckin deserve!!!!

This negativity is rife amongst the no camp. Nice rant.

How did you manage to read his post

I am Glasgow born and bred but I could not understand most of it

What school in Scotland teaches people to write like that

The answer is none ....

[MartinL]

My Mum was born in Scotland, Dad born in England.

I'll be first in the queue for a Scottish passport.

Then I'll do what the Maoris have done in New Zealand - sue the English government continually for billions of quid for the next two centuries for all the wrongdoings they've done to my Scottish forbears.

According to this link to a NZ newspaper, 65% of NZers of European descent have Scottish ancestry.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10839473

If 65% are Scots then far less than 35% is of English ancestry, considering there are French, German, Welsh, Irish, Chinese etc. etc. Kiwis. So the bulk of any wrongs the Maoris might perceive were likely to have been due to Scots.

You might want to reconsider the legitimacy of the Maori claims but it might be a good idea for them to redirect their claims to any new Scottish government.

Not entirely tongue-in-cheek.

Edited September 18, 2014 by MartinL

[balo]

We , your neighbours, the people of Norway, wishes Scotland all the best in your fight for independence .

This year we celebrate 200 years of independence from Denmark since 1814 , although we were not separated as a kingdom from Sweden until 1905 . .

Norway did much better as a country without our friendly neighbours. And today we are one of the richest nations in the world.

[super22k]

balo.Norway is a only a small unimportant country with a population about the same as Birmingham,UK.If you are so rich why dont you give more money to poorer nations?Scottish independence has nothing to do with you.

[tingtongfarang]

My Mum was born in Scotland, Dad born in England.

I'll be first in the queue for a Scottish passport.

Then I'll do what the Maoris have done in New Zealand - sue the English government continually for billions of quid for the next two centuries for all the wrongdoings they've done to my Scottish forbears.

Same here scotish mother english father...strange thing is i was born in scotland but my birth was,nt registered till we moved to england.

[jpinx]

Interesting numbers -

4.4 million over-16's in Scotland

4.2 million registered to vote

7% undecided = 294,000

non-Scots eligible to vote by virtue of residency in Scotland = 450,000

Edited September 18, 2014 by jpinx

[super22k]

TingTongFarang.Which country do you live in now?Truthfully.I learn there are more Scots in New Zealand than English so you can use your Scottish passport to go there, get you wallet out ,after the moths have flown away,and pay them some money.What has Scotland ever done for you?

[balo]

balo.Norway is a only a small unimportant country with a population about the same as Birmingham,UK.If you are so rich why dont you give more money to poorer nations?Scottish independence has nothing to do with you.

Why do you bother commenting when you clearly knows nothing about Norway. 5 million people is maybe half the size of London but Norway gives more to the poorer nations than any other country in the world . Just ask Red Cross or any aid organization. We can always give more but thats another discussion.

Scotland and Norway has a lot in common if you look back in the history.

[tingtongfarang]

TingTongFarang.Which country do you live in now?Truthfully.I learn there are more Scots in New Zealand than English so you can use your Scottish passport to go there, get you wallet out ,after the moths have flown away,and pay them some money.What has Scotland ever done for you?

Live in los, have a british passport but hav,nt lived there over 30 years, i have relatives in NZ also born in scotland.

[RickBradford]

I assume Scotland is the same as Thailand, where alcohol sales are banned on voting days?

[Franky Bear]

All bookies have it as a No victory.... they don;t get much wrong

[smokie36]

I assume Scotland is the same as Thailand, where alcohol sales are banned on voting days?

We would be more likely to outlaw polling days!

[rajyindee]

All bookies have it as a No victory.... they don;t get much wrong

Just ask Neil Kinnock.

Edited September 18, 2014 by rajyindee

[Twice shy]

balo.Norway is a only a small unimportant country with a population about the same as Birmingham,UK.If you are so rich why dont you give more money to poorer nations?Scottish independence has nothing to do with you.

You are ignorant and have not got a clue what you are talking about

Are you aware just how much the Vikings shaped England and Europe in General

Go have a look at the history books as you need too educate yourself

[super22k]

Balo.I think you are talking about capita head.A country with a small population giving the same amount as a highly popoulated nation will look like it is giving more money per head.You think a tiny country like Norway gives more than say,the USA or Britain? I dont think so.

However,I have heard that Norway is a very beautiful country and I would like to holiday there.But maybe after this you will not let me in?Best wishes.

[Keesters]

A view from Washington:

NO will win.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-voting-for-the-love-of-scotland/2014/09/17/dbe28d56-3e8e-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html

This is getting exciting!

He's totally missed the point. Scotland has not been allowed the choices it wanted -- the 3 questions -- due totally to Westminster's authoritarianism

Would you care to elucidate rather than just make wild accusations.