English tourists don't want to go to Scotland 'whatever the result of the vote'

[evadgib]

They'll be part of England for quite a while now that the gurning gargoyle has resigned:)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-29277527

Edited September 19, 2014 by evadgib

[Benmart]

Choice is a wonderful thing. Bias, hate, prejudice and stereotypes belong in an oxygen-free environment.

[Chicog]

I'm not anti English, like I said, if you want to see aggressive yobs, watch the marches around the 12th July, drunken yobs and bigots everywhere, on the pavements and on the roads, in the parks, throwing bottles at 13 year old girls, was that aggressive Celtic yobs? What about all that destruction in Manchester? Was that aggressive Celtic yobs? Every football club has a minority of aggressive yobs, but with the now defunct Glasgow Rangers, and that new club The Rangers, the aggressive yobs are well in the majority. Do I have to repeat myself? Look all around you in the West of Scotland near the 12th July, what do you see? a large majority of bigoted aggressive drunken Rangers supporters. Again I rest my case, this discussion is now finished.

This discussion is about English people fearful of visiting Scotland.

You might have finished with it, but I haven't.

Personally I've never had a problem in Scotland, but then again I don't mix with poorly educated IRA sympathisers.

I notice several people tweeted in disgust today, one hoping all no voters got cancer, and another saying that she was leaving to move to Dublin.

One would hope many of her ilk follow her advice.

[katana]

I state the following to give an indication that I am not naturally biased either way. My great, great grand parents, Catholics, fled Northern Ireland and settled in Scotland ,and my family on my Mother's side were hence all Scottish. My Mother was born in the border country and never considered herself either one or the other; in those days there were far more important considerations such as getting food on to the table. Nevertheless, I was brought up in the knowledge that some part of me was Scottish, and rightly or wrongly I was very proud of that fact, and this even manifested itself in me while attending a schoolboys international friendly at Wembley I proudly wearing Scottish rosette.

Jump forward 10 plus years and I find myself in a foreign land working alongside Jocks. They kept themselves to themselves, even excluding us 'Brits' from going for coffee breaks with them. They had their own works footie team and decked themselves out in Scotland's football colours, and shouted to each other while playing the game "Come on Scotland!". To say that I was confused would be a massive understatement. And to hear these same work colleagues rant on about supporting a football team or a rugby team in a World or Eurpean Cup match in such terms as "...any f'ecking country as long as it's nae England!..." further sort to confuse me. Even here, in Thailand, I have been in a bar during a football championship to hear a German couple, conversing with an obviously well educated Scottish couple, say "We suppose you will be supporting England tonight?" To be shocked at the vehemence of the reply "You're f'cking kidding! We want any country to win as long as it is not England!". And then for the Scottish couple to look sheepishly around the bar to see if any English people had heard their outburst, as though they were naughty little school kids. I am not sure what gives some Scottish people the massive capacity for absolute hatred of English people, however, I am grateful that I don't possess an ounce of it. As a previous contributor to this topic stated "...my personal experiences left me ambivalent to the outcome of the referendum.." and I concur.

I remember in the 1970s when the Scottish football fans used to come down to London for the British Home championship football game with England at Wembley. As you may well remember, this was an annual football competition contested between the United Kingdom's four national teams; England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland which was finally abandoned in 1984 and is no longer played.

On the day of the England - Scotland match, London was overrun with Scottish fans who would spend the day drinking in the pubs and streets before and after the game, often many miles from Wembley. There seemed to be a palpable sense of dislike and hostility in the air to the English when you passed them in the streets.

When Scotland won the match in 1977, Scottish fans celebrated by invading the pitch, tearing down the goalposts and removing sections of turf as trophies to be taken back North. It was almost like an invading army.

Video of 1977 Wembley Pitch invasion: http://youtu.be/HGLrfSn4dvc?t=8m56s

I also had an English friend who moved up to Scotland in the 1970s. He quickly had to lose his English accent when he started school there - it wasn't liked!

[rajyindee]

Jump forward 10 plus years and I find myself in a foreign land working alongside Jocks. They kept themselves to themselves, even excluding us 'Brits' from going for coffee breaks with them.

No wonder they were confused. Who were "us Brits"?

[Richard W]

They'll be part of England for quite a while now that the gurning gargoyle has resigned:)

Why should they suddenly become part of England?

[NoshowJones]

I'm not anti English, like I said, if you want to see aggressive yobs, watch the marches around the 12th July, drunken yobs and bigots everywhere, on the pavements and on the roads, in the parks, throwing bottles at 13 year old girls, was that aggressive Celtic yobs? What about all that destruction in Manchester? Was that aggressive Celtic yobs? Every football club has a minority of aggressive yobs, but with the now defunct Glasgow Rangers, and that new club The Rangers, the aggressive yobs are well in the majority. Do I have to repeat myself? Look all around you in the West of Scotland near the 12th July, what do you see? a large majority of bigoted aggressive drunken Rangers supporters. Again I rest my case, this discussion is now finished.

This discussion is about English people fearful of visiting Scotland.

You might have finished with it, but I haven't.

Personally I've never had a problem in Scotland, but then again I don't mix with poorly educated IRA sympathisers.

I notice several people tweeted in disgust today, one hoping all no voters got cancer, and another saying that she was leaving to move to Dublin.

One would hope many of her ilk follow her advice.

You are the one who went off topic by referring to aggressive Celtic yobs and drunken Celtic yobs, you don't expect me not to retaliate when you are obviously referring to me, and I am a non drinker, and not the least bit aggressive unless someone starts on me, the most agressive drunks in Scotland are the Unionist, I see you are not answering about what I said about the goings on in the West of Scotland around the 12th July.

I do not disagree with the rest of your post, and I am not getting into a flaming match with you as it is against the forum rules, I accept and respect posters opinion, but you have just gone over the score, and this dicussion is finished as you are now ignored.

[Bernard Flint]

I too worked in Scotland for two years and it was only then I came anywhere near understanding the troubles in Northern Ireland. I have never experienced in the British Isles such ill feeling towards others of the same nationality on account of their religious convictions. It was a well known that for a long time no catholic would ever play for Rangers at least on that count I believe things have improved. I heard views expressed about the English which when I looked at the present campaign left me ambivalent as to whether they remained part of the UK or not.

tHE ira sympathisers tend to be Celtic supporters, they sing pro ira songs at their home matches, so Glasgow can be a bit dodgy if u are a non catholic or pro uk,or even proddy

[pitrevie]

I too worked in Scotland for two years and it was only then I came anywhere near understanding the troubles in Northern Ireland. I have never experienced in the British Isles such ill feeling towards others of the same nationality on account of their religious convictions. It was a well known that for a long time no catholic would ever play for Rangers at least on that count I believe things have improved. I heard views expressed about the English which when I looked at the present campaign left me ambivalent as to whether they remained part of the UK or not.

It is not that no Catholic would play for Rangers, the old Rangers (that's the ones who no longer exist) would not sign Catholics until 1986 when Graeme Souness took over.

I probably wrote that in a misleading way when I should have stated that it was the unofficial policy at Rangers not to sign any Catholics, I am not sure what they might have said if Pele had wanted to play for them, I assume coming from Brazil he would have been a Catholic.

I see that trouble broke out between the two sides last night in Glasgow. It reminds you a little of the make up of Northern Ireland, 60% Protestants, 40% Catholics but no Christians.

[Bernard Flint]

^{I state the following to give an indication that I am not naturally biased either way. My great, great grand parents, Catholics, fled Northern Ireland and settled in Scotland ,and my family on my Mother's side were hence all Scottish. My Mother was born in the border country and never considered herself either one or the other; in those days there were far more important considerations such as getting food on to the table. Nevertheless, I was brought up in the knowledge that some part of me was Scottish, and rightly or wrongly I was very proud of that fact, and this even manifested itself in me while attending a schoolboys international friendly at Wembley I proudly wearing Scottish rosette.}

^{Jump forward 10 plus years and I find myself in a foreign land working alongside Jocks. They kept themselves to themselves, even excluding us 'Brits' from going for coffee breaks with them. They had their own works footie team and decked themselves out in Scotland's football colours, and shouted to each other while playing the game "Come on Scotland!". To say that I was confused would be a massive understatement. And to hear these same work colleagues rant on about supporting a football team or a rugby team in a World or Eurpean Cup match in such terms as "...any f'ecking country as long as it's nae England!..." further sort to confuse me. Even here, in Thailand, I have been in a bar during a football championship to hear a German couple, conversing with an obviously well educated Scottish couple, say "We suppose you will be supporting England tonight?" To be shocked at the vehemence of the reply "You're f'cking kidding! We want any country to win as long as it is not England!". And then for the Scottish couple to look sheepishly around the bar to see if any English people had heard their outburst, as though they were naughty little school kids. I am not sure what gives some Scottish people the massive capacity for absolute hatred of English people, however, I am grateful that I don't possess an ounce of it. As a previous contributor to this topic stated "...my personal experiences left me ambivalent to the outcome of the referendum.." and I concur.}

I used to support all british teams when the euros are on.AFTER MANY YEARS OF HEARING THE HATRED FOR THE ENGLISH,BY SCOTTISH AND WELSH PEOPLE, I AM STARTING TO SHOUT AGAINST THEM.

[Bernard Flint]

I too worked in Scotland for two years and it was only then I came anywhere near understanding the troubles in Northern Ireland. I have never experienced in the British Isles such ill feeling towards others of the same nationality on account of their religious convictions. It was a well known that for a long time no catholic would ever play for Rangers at least on that count I believe things have improved. I heard views expressed about the English which when I looked at the present campaign left me ambivalent as to whether they remained part of the UK or not.

It is not that no Catholic would play for Rangers, the old Rangers (that's the ones who no longer exist) would not sign Catholics until 1986 when Graeme Souness took over.

I probably wrote that in a misleading way when I should have stated that it was the unofficial policy at Rangers not to sign any Catholics, I am not sure what they might have said if Pele had wanted to play for them, I assume coming from Brazil he would have been a Catholic.

I see that trouble broke out between the two sides last night in Glasgow. It reminds you a little of the make up of Northern Ireland, 60% Protestants, 40% Catholics but no Christians.

It was obvious to me that trouble would happen,the yes bully boys have been doing it for days.

[Scott]

Let's keep the discussion on topic and civil. It's about English tourists feeling uncomfortable in visiting Scotland right now.

I wonder if the attention given to Scotland in the international press will increase tourism from other countries?

[NoshowJones]

I too worked in Scotland for two years and it was only then I came anywhere near understanding the troubles in Northern Ireland. I have never experienced in the British Isles such ill feeling towards others of the same nationality on account of their religious convictions. It was a well known that for a long time no catholic would ever play for Rangers at least on that count I believe things have improved. I heard views expressed about the English which when I looked at the present campaign left me ambivalent as to whether they remained part of the UK or not.

It is not that no Catholic would play for Rangers, the old Rangers (that's the ones who no longer exist) would not sign Catholics until 1986 when Graeme Souness took over.

I probably wrote that in a misleading way when I should have stated that it was the unofficial policy at Rangers not to sign any Catholics, I am not sure what they might have said if Pele had wanted to play for them, I assume coming from Brazil he would have been a Catholic.

I see that trouble broke out between the two sides last night in Glasgow. It reminds you a little of the make up of Northern Ireland, 60% Protestants, 40% Catholics but no Christians.

It was obvious to me that trouble would happen,the yes bully boys have been doing it for days.

You have a point Bernard, but just wait until the government do something which affects the poorer Scots ie, poll tax, bedroom tax etc, imagine what will happen then.

[nontabury]

Jump forward 10 plus years and I find myself in a foreign land working alongside Jocks. They kept themselves to themselves, even excluding us 'Brits' from going for coffee breaks with them.

No wonder they were confused. Who were "us Brits"?

Perhaps he should have wrote "the rest of us Brits"

[Chicog]

I'm not anti English, like I said, if you want to see aggressive yobs, watch the marches around the 12th July, drunken yobs and bigots everywhere, on the pavements and on the roads, in the parks, throwing bottles at 13 year old girls, was that aggressive Celtic yobs? What about all that destruction in Manchester? Was that aggressive Celtic yobs? Every football club has a minority of aggressive yobs, but with the now defunct Glasgow Rangers, and that new club The Rangers, the aggressive yobs are well in the majority. Do I have to repeat myself? Look all around you in the West of Scotland near the 12th July, what do you see? a large majority of bigoted aggressive drunken Rangers supporters. Again I rest my case, this discussion is now finished.

This discussion is about English people fearful of visiting Scotland.

You might have finished with it, but I haven't.

Personally I've never had a problem in Scotland, but then again I don't mix with poorly educated IRA sympathisers.

I notice several people tweeted in disgust today, one hoping all no voters got cancer, and another saying that she was leaving to move to Dublin.

One would hope many of her ilk follow her advice.

You are the one who went off topic by referring to aggressive Celtic yobs and drunken Celtic yobs, you don't expect me not to retaliate when you are obviously referring to me

I was at no point referring to you, but if you feel that the cap fits, feel free to wear it.

[Chicog]

I see you are not answering about what I said about the goings on in the West of Scotland around the 12th July.

What does that have to do with English tourists not wanting to go to Scotland?

To repeat myself, there is no anti-English sentiment among Rangers fans, they wave the Union Jack more than some of the English do!

[Chicog]

Jump forward 10 plus years and I find myself in a foreign land working alongside Jocks. They kept themselves to themselves, even excluding us 'Brits' from going for coffee breaks with them.

No wonder they were confused. Who were "us Brits"?

Perhaps he should have wrote "the rest of us Brits"

I'm quite happy socialising with the Scots here in the Middle East, there is little antipathy between the older generation, they got past that nonsense years ago.

[lungbing]

I see you are not answering about what I said about the goings on in the West of Scotland around the 12th July.

What does that have to do with English tourists not wanting to go to Scotland?

To repeat myself, there is no anti-English sentiment among Rangers fans, they wave the Union Jack more than some of the English do!

[NoshowJones]

I see you are not answering about what I said about the goings on in the West of Scotland around the 12th July.

What does that have to do with English tourists not wanting to go to Scotland?

To repeat myself, there is no anti-English sentiment among Rangers fans, they wave the Union Jack more than some of the English do!

The poster referred to "aggressive Celtic yobs", I just pointed out about the goings on around the West of Scotland around the 12th July, there are more "agressive yobs" around the streets then, and they are not Celtic fans. You will not find "agressive Celtic yobs" there. I want this subject to now end.

[pigeonjake]

If they are judging Scottish sentiment based on the aggressive rantings of some drunken Celtic fans, then they are sorely mistaken.

Are you implying that the yes camp (45% of the country) are comprised of 'drunken Celtic fans'

And that a nationalistic ideal of independence is 'aggressive ranting'

I am neither Scottish nor in the yes camp - but to dismiss a huge portion of the country thus says even more in less faltering terms about you Than you say of them. Perhaps read a few of the previous posts and ponder on why for centuries the scots arch enemies are in fact the scots.

well when you think the celtic fans are tims,,, then yes,,

also the ones that sang at a football match that, privet rigby would,nt be drumming again,!!! yes the same fans would yote yes

[NCFC]

Well I hope those who voted "yes" never set foot in England again. I hope you don't come south looking for employment in England. And if you're in Thailand kindly stop using English airports to get to your beloved country.

45% of you wanted independence so you can still have it by keeping out of MY country. Thank you very much.

[Chicog]

I see you are not answering about what I said about the goings on in the West of Scotland around the 12th July.

What does that have to do with English tourists not wanting to go to Scotland?

To repeat myself, there is no anti-English sentiment among Rangers fans, they wave the Union Jack more than some of the English do!

The poster referred to "aggressive Celtic yobs", I just pointed out about the goings on around the West of Scotland around the 12th July, there are more "agressive yobs" around the streets then, and they are not Celtic fans. You will not find "agressive Celtic yobs" there. I want this subject to now end.

The subject is what scares English tourists out of Scotland; I'd suggest you deal with it.

Clearly it's aggressive displays of anti-English sentiment. And we all know who the most vociferous are.

[bigyin]

Does that mean that everyone else who is a national of another country cannot use an 'English' airport? I don't think so therefore IF Scotland had voted for independence nationals of that country would have been perfectly entitled to use any airport they chose. This post seems to have degenerated by stages as time has progressed. I am Scottish and the Celtic v Rangers debate is a religious one with bigotry on both sides but is not nationalistic even if the Union Flag is waved by Rangers fans.

[Bwanatickey]

Can the English now vote over whether they want Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom club.

A poll carried out amongst the British before the referendum found the majority of British wanted to break away from Scotland.

I witnessed the behaviour of Scots when working abroad with them , the Locals would ask them " Are you English " They would snarl back " No we are not ,we are Scottish "

The locals would be taken aback by the ferocity of the answer, because to many people abroad , they are from the same place, a small Island far away over there.

[Chicog]

If someone asked me if I was Scottish, I'd say "No, I'm not, I'm English". So what?

[Richard W]

If someone asked me if I was Scottish, I'd say "No, I'm not, I'm English". So what?

Imagine how you'd reply if you were accused of being French.

[socksy01]

I'm a staunch Rangers fan and Scotsman and have many Catholic friends and Celtic Supporter friends. My best man at my wedding, and vice versa, is practicing Catholic and I lived in England for 19 years. Not everyone should be tarred by the same brush - much of it is blinkered or narrowmindedness. Just my tuppence worth - for what it's worth. I hope this thread can now get back on track to the original posting and not about Football/religion.

[Somtamnication]

If someone asked me if I was Scottish, I'd say "No, I'm not, I'm English". So what?

Imagine how you'd reply if you were accused of being French.

That would have ended my trust in humanity. Sacre bleu!!!!!

[Twice shy]

If someone asked me if I was Scottish, I'd say "No, I'm not, I'm English". So what?

You really do not have a clue !!!

Your posts on this topic are sad and ill educated

Who have the Glasgow police been arresting the last few days ?

Do you know

Unionists and for violence !

Not nationalists or as you call them drunken Celtic fans ...

Give it a rest as you know nothing about Scotland