Evidence Ties Kritsuda to Blackshirt Militants, Police Chief Says

[ramrod711]

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Should I infer from your statement above, and this thread, that it is permissible to post Quotes & Links from The Nation newspaper then?

Any clarification would be welcomed by your members.

Your profile says you have been a member for 4 years, I would have though you might have figured that out by now.

[love1012]

" He would make public further evidence against her. "

Ever thought of having her extradited and make the evidence public in a court of law ?

I'll leave members to their own ideas on why that might not be considered.

yes extradition is easy and can be done in 20 minutes just on a phone call - look at Shinawatra - he was easy to extradite. What on EARTH are you talking about? I think you and "bear" have been going to the same village classes!

What are you talking about, no attempt was ever made to extradite Mr. T, no Interpol Red Notice, nothing.

It took the Dems government a year before his then passport was cancelled.

Sorry to disappoint you but i do know about extraditions and what's involved but usually an hour covers it.

really?????????? you know what youre talking about??? HONESTLY???????????

then provide us with links to proof of people who have been extradited in an hour...................tick tock!!

[NongKhaiKid]

" He would make public further evidence against her. "

Ever thought of having her extradited and make the evidence public in a court of law ?

I'll leave members to their own ideas on why that might not be considered.

yes extradition is easy and can be done in 20 minutes just on a phone call - look at Shinawatra - he was easy to extradite. What on EARTH are you talking about? I think you and "bear" have been going to the same village classes!

What are you talking about, no attempt was ever made to extradite Mr. T, no Interpol Red Notice, nothing.

It took the Dems government a year before his then passport was cancelled.

Sorry to disappoint you but i do know about extraditions and what's involved but usually an hour covers it.

really?????????? you know what youre talking about??? HONESTLY???????????

then provide us with links to proof of people who have been extradited in an hour...................tick tock!!

if your trying to be a troll your'e not very good at it.

[Tatsujin]

Brilliant! Terrorists issue receipts and have detailed accounting records of their arms deals. Really Somyot, surely you can do better than that.

Actually, I do believe it. You don't really think Thaksin gives these people a blank check, do you? No, he will want receipts, or some form of accountable documentation before parting with his ill gotten gains.

So from which illegal arms dealer in Thailand does one get hold of an ak47 with an invoice.

Or even better, which customs code do they put on an unlicensed import of ak47s. Or beyond that, if you would like to transfer some money to a company overseas to pay for something, which invoice stating Ak47 do you present to the bank.

This story is utter nonsense.

Didn't a number of weapons just get "posted" . . . ? I'd assume there'd be a pretty good paper trail in that instance.

The rest could easily have come from those large weapons caches that were stolen just prior to the 2010 terrorist uprising and other thefts both before and after.

[NoBrainer]

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Should I infer from your statement above, and this thread, that it is permissible to post Quotes & Links from The Nation newspaper then?

Any clarification would be welcomed by your members.

Your profile says you have been a member for 4 years, I would have though you might have figured that out by now.

Actually I have seen many different things posted & linked to, but I was unaware that the Bangkok Post & Phuketwan were off limits.

[metisdead]

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Should I infer from your statement above, and this thread, that it is permissible to post Quotes & Links from The Nation newspaper then?

Any clarification would be welcomed by your members.

Your profile says you have been a member for 4 years, I would have though you might have figured that out by now.

Actually I have seen many different things posted & linked to, but I was unaware that the Bangkok Post & Phuketwan were off limits.

Yes, The Nation is ok to quote & link to as long as fair use policy is applied:

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[Baerboxer]

Police chief rebuffs Kritsuda

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- National police chief General Somyot Poompanmoung yesterday insisted police had evidence implicating Kritsuda "Ple" Khunasen in helping wire money to the so-called "men in black" to pay them for violent acts during the red-shirt protests in 2010.

He said if Kritsuda, who is in self-imposed exile, issued another video to counter his allegation he would make public further evidence against her.

He said that would be on top of transaction slips and other documents indicating the money transfers that were found at her Chon Buri home.

Somyot denied he had stated publicly that the Pheu Thai-linked United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) was involved with the violent protests in 2010.

He repeated that the five people suspected of being men in black had not been linked to the murder of Colonel Romklao Thuvatham.

The Royal Thai Police chief was speaking after core UDD leaders met him on Thursday in an attempt to distance themselves from the men in black.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Police-chief-rebuffs-Kritsuda-30243700.html

-- The Nation 2014-09-20

Ummmm.

Can't they just get the info from the bank of the account activity.

That way it would be impossible for them to have forged any of the transfer slips. Which of course the BIB would never do.

This reminds me of some of the receipts I used to put on expenses from entertainment nights in Patpong.

So you're a self confessed fraudster then?

[Baerboxer]

This is all fiction.....evidence would only be displayed in court.....even the reds have admitted they never knew her......reciepts for buying AK47s........more utter incompetance from the RTP!

"This is fiction because i like the red shirts" - Garbage you dont know what youre talking about "the reds have admitted they never knew her" well they would wouldnt they!!!!! - another one in Thailand for 5 minutes and brain washed already

Indeed. There are lots and lots of nice photos showing warm embraces between Thaksin and this poor persecuted misunderstood tortured lady.

Why on earth would anyone think the red shirts "knew" her, just because she was politically active and, it would appear, very close the Thaksin.

Terrorist and criminal organization members often get caught by bits of paper, receipts, bank transfers, atm usage, mobile phone traffic etc etc. Sometime hard to remove all the evidence.

But, the rose tinted ones will be around to dismiss all this as just not true, in the crystal ball like superior opinion.

[fab4]

Brilliant! Terrorists issue receipts and have detailed accounting records of their arms deals. Really Somyot, surely you can do better than that.

Actually, I do believe it. You don't really think Thaksin gives these people a blank check, do you? No, he will want receipts, or some form of accountable documentation before parting with his ill gotten gains.

So from which illegal arms dealer in Thailand does one get hold of an ak47 with an invoice.

Or even better, which customs code do they put on an unlicensed import of ak47s. Or beyond that, if you would like to transfer some money to a company overseas to pay for something, which invoice stating Ak47 do you present to the bank.

This story is utter nonsense.

Didn't a number of weapons just get "posted" . . . ? I'd assume there'd be a pretty good paper trail in that instance.

The rest could easily have come from those large weapons caches that were stolen just prior to the 2010 terrorist uprising and other thefts both before and after.

Here we go, time to trot out the old "6000 guns and explosives stolen from Army Barracks" fantasy whose only source was Thai Visa,

( http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/345203-6000-guns-and-explosives-stolen-from-thai-army-barracks/#entry3393709 )

and which eventually turned out to be 3000 rounds of ammunition and a few grenades stolen by soldiers over a long period of time.

Unless of course, you have links to these other "large weapons caches that were stolen just prior to the 2010 terrorist uprising two months of protests in Bangkok, 2010" ?

[Bangmod]

lots of evidence at the house of Kritsuda

Anyone with that kind of wallpaper in their home must be found guilty

[mikemac]

Brilliant! Terrorists issue receipts and have detailed accounting records of their arms deals. Really Somyot, surely you can do better than that.

It is not Pol.Gen. Somyot Pumpanmuang's fault that he is dealing with a mob of retarded morons. Have you not been following the antics of these clowns in the last few years ? The entire organization would not have the combined intelligence of a watermelon.

Not really surprising they left a paper trail behind them that even a blind man could follow.

[rubl]

kritsuda is being persecuted guys. don't be so gullible.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like Thaksin and every other one of his supporters has been according to the Red Shirt/UDD/PPP/TRT/PTP lot.

They were all sweet, pure and innocent and never did anything wrong in their lives.

It is all the fault of those nasty Democrats/Army and the Amart. They are the ones to blame, not us.

... and their mothers do love them as well (with the alleged exception of one, that is).

[rubl]

Here we go, time to trot out the old "6000 guns and explosives stolen from Army Barracks" fantasy whose only source was Thai Visa,

( http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/345203-6000-guns-and-explosives-stolen-from-thai-army-barracks/#entry3393709 )

and which eventually turned out to be 3000 rounds of ammunition and a few grenades stolen by soldiers over a long period of time.

Unless of course, you have links to these other "large weapons caches that were stolen just prior to the 2010 terrorist uprising two months of protests in Bangkok, 2010" ?

I completely agree, the hype some post.

BTW with you writing on the 2014-06-03 and with what we know about 'peaceful events' in 2010 I'm still somewhat surprised about your

"One could surmise about the fortuitous timing of the announcement by the government at the time. One might say even that it was used as a "pretext for checkpoints and stoking fear" (like you are doing with your talk of "vast quantities of war weapons stashed all over the country")"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/731202-weapons-caches-seized-in-chon-buri-songkhla/page-2

Almost as if history is being ignored, especially in a topic linking a red-shirt to Black-shirt militants.

PS I found the start of the story (thanks for the link), but I seem to be unable to find the end of it with "only 3,000 rounds". Could you provide a link to that as well, please

Edited September 20, 2014 by rubl

[longway]

lots of evidence at the house of Kritsuda

Not sure if that is her sitting on the ground in the video but it looks like her. if so and they took why didn't they charge her and hold her longer than 27 days she certainly right at the top of the thaksin tree.

She lives well for a 26 year old 'secretary'.

[rubl]

Here we go, time to trot out the old "6000 guns and explosives stolen from Army Barracks" fantasy whose only source was Thai Visa,

( http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/345203-6000-guns-and-explosives-stolen-from-thai-army-barracks/#entry3393709 )

and which eventually turned out to be 3000 rounds of ammunition and a few grenades stolen by soldiers over a long period of time.

Unless of course, you have links to these other "large weapons caches that were stolen just prior to the 2010 terrorist uprising two months of protests in Bangkok, 2010" ?

I completely agree, the hype some post.

BTW with you writing on the 2014-06-03 and with what we know about 'peaceful events' in 2010 I'm still somewhat surprised about your

"One could surmise about the fortuitous timing of the announcement by the government at the time. One might say even that it was used as a "pretext for checkpoints and stoking fear" (like you are doing with your talk of "vast quantities of war weapons stashed all over the country")"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/731202-weapons-caches-seized-in-chon-buri-songkhla/page-2

Almost as if history is being ignored, especially in a topic linking a red-shirt to Black-shirt militants.

PS I found the start of the story (thanks for the link), but I seem to be unable to find the end of it with "only 3,000 rounds". Could you provide a link to that as well, please

Reading the topic to which Fabs provided a link (all 325 of them), I've found

- 6,000 rifles stolen

- theNation "A police source said that about 3,000 ammunitions of rifles; M-16, AK-16, as well as 20 grenades were stolen."

- 3,100 bullets and 69 grenades

- 3,000 cartridges and about 20 grenades

- k. Nattawut with 69 M67 grenades, 3,100 HK bullets and some side arms

- highly place security source: about 2,000 rounds for M16, HK rifles, 1,000 rounds 11mm, 20 M26/M67 grenades

- vague reference to TAN article with bunch of weapons found in a restaurant in NakhornChaisri

- MCOT Pol Col Suwat Tangkuha superintendent of a local police station reported to the governor that about 3,000 cartridges and 20 grenades were stolen from the arms depot in the Aphai Borirak military camp on March 2.

Finally #303 had a link to

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Weapons-theft-in-Phatthalung-not-a-break-in-but-an-30124269.html

and close to end a link to TVF with a one liner

"TAN Network: Region 4 Army reveals that officials have reclaimed all weapons stole from Pattalung arsenal; soldiers, southern insurgents involved"

[JAG]

lots of evidence at the house of Kritsuda

Not sure if that is her sitting on the ground in the video but it looks like her. if so and they took why didn't they charge her and hold her longer than 27 days she certainly right at the top of the thaksin tree.

I may be wrong, but I think that even in our brave new world being a friend of Thaksin is not (yet) a chargeable offence. Of course there are amongst us some who would regard it as irrefutable evidence of utter wickedness, probably deserving of the gallows.....

[tbthailand]

kritsuda is being persecuted guys. don't be so gullible.

Well! that's settled then, internationally known crime expert tbthailand has spoken. No need for an investigation. I feel much better now, a person with real knowledge of Thaksins payment to employees practices has reassured me that is not how Thaksin does business. Thank you so much.

the events related to kritsuda's detention, release, exile, and the various charges have been published and are easy to gather.

she has made her statements about her detention and the junta has made theirs. so the events, the she said - he said statements have all been made.

I would venture to say that anyone who has paid attention to her case could at least reasonably imagine that this woman is being setup - even if they disagreed completely with her politics.

and do you expect anything honest to come of an investigation by the same people who are setting her up?

a lot of people posting around here seem to honestly believe that the junta is not on a political purging campaign. But objectively, the numbers don't support that. these guys are out to get the udd and to destroy their network. This woman is one of their victims.

so, you're welcome.

[rubl]

kritsuda is being persecuted guys. don't be so gullible.

Well! that's settled then, internationally known crime expert tbthailand has spoken. No need for an investigation. I feel much better now, a person with real knowledge of Thaksins payment to employees practices has reassured me that is not how Thaksin does business. Thank you so much.

the events related to kritsuda's detention, release, exile, and the various charges have been published and are easy to gather.

she has made her statements about her detention and the junta has made theirs. so the events, the she said - he said statements have all been made.

I would venture to say that anyone who has paid attention to her case could at least reasonably imagine that this woman is being setup - even if they disagreed completely with her politics.

and do you expect anything honest to come of an investigation by the same people who are setting her up?

a lot of people posting around here seem to honestly believe that the junta is not on a political purging campaign. But objectively, the numbers don't support that. these guys are out to get the udd and to destroy their network. This woman is one of their victims.

so, you're welcome.

It would seem one could reasonably imagine many things and what one imagines seems based of believes one has already rather than on facts.

Furthermore basing your opinion on what one could reasonably believe makes for a shaky foundation.

As for objective numbers, well, which numbers and how do they relate to objectivity?

[sweatalot]

kritsuda is being persecuted guys. don't be so gullible.

Well! that's settled then, internationally known crime expert tbthailand has spoken. No need for an investigation. I feel much better now, a person with real knowledge of Thaksins payment to employees practices has reassured me that is not how Thaksin does business. Thank you so much.

the events related to kritsuda's detention, release, exile, and the various charges have been published and are easy to gather.

she has made her statements about her detention and the junta has made theirs. so the events, the she said - he said statements have all been made.

I would venture to say that anyone who has paid attention to her case could at least reasonably imagine that this woman is being setup - even if they disagreed completely with her politics.

and do you expect anything honest to come of an investigation by the same people who are setting her up?

a lot of people posting around here seem to honestly believe that the junta is not on a political purging campaign. But objectively, the numbers don't support that. these guys are out to get the udd and to destroy their network. This woman is one of their victims.

so, you're welcome.

a lot of people posting around here seem to honestly believe that the junta is not on a political purging campaign

I think they believe that the junta is on a criminal purging campaign

[sweatalot]

lots of evidence at the house of Kritsuda

Not sure if that is her sitting on the ground in the video but it looks like her. if so and they took why didn't they charge her and hold her longer than 27 days she certainly right at the top of the thaksin tree.

Tjeez man, what type of country you think we live in

Lots of people have pictures with their hero. Are you suggesting all should be asked to report for questioning ?

Yes, I do if their hero is a convicted criminal on the run and a chief terrorist

and if the pictures show they are very close to each other

[tbthailand]

kritsuda is being persecuted guys. don't be so gullible.

Well! that's settled then, internationally known crime expert tbthailand has spoken. No need for an investigation. I feel much better now, a person with real knowledge of Thaksins payment to employees practices has reassured me that is not how Thaksin does business. Thank you so much.

the events related to kritsuda's detention, release, exile, and the various charges have been published and are easy to gather.

she has made her statements about her detention and the junta has made theirs. so the events, the she said - he said statements have all been made.

I would venture to say that anyone who has paid attention to her case could at least reasonably imagine that this woman is being setup - even if they disagreed completely with her politics.

and do you expect anything honest to come of an investigation by the same people who are setting her up?

a lot of people posting around here seem to honestly believe that the junta is not on a political purging campaign. But objectively, the numbers don't support that. these guys are out to get the udd and to destroy their network. This woman is one of their victims.

so, you're welcome.

It would seem one could reasonably imagine many things and what one imagines seems based of believes one has already rather than on facts.

Furthermore basing your opinion on what one could reasonably believe makes for a shaky foundation.

As for objective numbers, well, which numbers and how do they relate to objectivity?

you're trolling again herr rubl.

and trying to insult other posters again while maintaining some level of plausible deniability.

For example, your comment

It would seem one could reasonably imagine many things and what one imagines seems based of believes one has already rather than on facts.

would seem to be meant to apply to me, yet it is completely unfounded by any content and just a vacuous, nonsensical statement. In that regard, your junta cheerleading and (wilful?) ignorance of recent events would tend to make the statement more applicable to you.

but maybe that is what you meant in the first place?

as for numbers, they have been posted here before, and you have already commented on them. Since you know the numbers already, your innocently posed question is really just another example of how you like to troll-post.

But let me humour you with some fast math. 665 people have been detained by the junta (officially) according to AI and with the disclaimer that these are the cases they are able to confirm. Of those, 51 were associated with the anti-government protests and the PDRC side. That - just to make it really simple for you - is a 13-to-1 ratio.

That is not opinion, or what I believe. That is information available to everyone today.

You could claim that a 13-to-1 ratio doesn't indicate a situation of political persecution, but wouldn't that seem dishonest? Or to paraphrase your comment, wouldn't that be "to imagine something based on what you believe as a junta cheerleader, rather than on facts"?

[robblok]

you're trolling again herr rubl.

and trying to insult other posters again while maintaining some level of plausible deniability.

For example, your comment

It would seem one could reasonably imagine many things and what one imagines seems based of believes one has already rather than on facts.

would seem to be meant to apply to me, yet it is completely unfounded by any content and just a vacuous, nonsensical statement. In that regard, your junta cheerleading and (wilful?) ignorance of recent events would tend to make the statement more applicable to you.

but maybe that is what you meant in the first place?

as for numbers, they have been posted here before, and you have already commented on them. Since you know the numbers already, your innocently posed question is really just another example of how you like to troll-post.

But let me humour you with some fast math. 665 people have been detained by the junta (officially) according to AI and with the disclaimer that these are the cases they are able to confirm. Of those, 51 were associated with the anti-government protests and the PDRC side. That - just to make it really simple for you - is a 13-to-1 ratio.

That is not opinion, or what I believe. That is information available to everyone today.

You could claim that a 13-to-1 ratio doesn't indicate a situation of political persecution, but wouldn't that seem dishonest? Or to paraphrase your comment, wouldn't that be "to imagine something based on what you believe as a junta cheerleader, rather than on facts"?

Just risk based.. who started 2010 with the MIB.... who did most of the killing (think Trad) ect in the most recent times.

Effective policing is taking those down that are the highest risk, we all know who those are.

When there are football riots its also better to go after young males then old grannies. Just policing does not mean young males are persecuted they are just the high risk group. It was exactly the same here just going after high risk groups.

[rubl]

the events related to kritsuda's detention, release, exile, and the various charges have been published and are easy to gather.

she has made her statements about her detention and the junta has made theirs. so the events, the she said - he said statements have all been made.

I would venture to say that anyone who has paid attention to her case could at least reasonably imagine that this woman is being setup - even if they disagreed completely with her politics.

and do you expect anything honest to come of an investigation by the same people who are setting her up?

a lot of people posting around here seem to honestly believe that the junta is not on a political purging campaign. But objectively, the numbers don't support that. these guys are out to get the udd and to destroy their network. This woman is one of their victims.

so, you're welcome.

It would seem one could reasonably imagine many things and what one imagines seems based of believes one has already rather than on facts.

Furthermore basing your opinion on what one could reasonably believe makes for a shaky foundation.

As for objective numbers, well, which numbers and how do they relate to objectivity?

you're trolling again herr rubl.

and trying to insult other posters again while maintaining some level of plausible deniability.

For example, your comment

It would seem one could reasonably imagine many things and what one imagines seems based of believes one has already rather than on facts.

would seem to be meant to apply to me, yet it is completely unfounded by any content and just a vacuous, nonsensical statement. In that regard, your junta cheerleading and (wilful?) ignorance of recent events would tend to make the statement more applicable to you.

but maybe that is what you meant in the first place?

as for numbers, they have been posted here before, and you have already commented on them. Since you know the numbers already, your innocently posed question is really just another example of how you like to troll-post.

But let me humour you with some fast math. 665 people have been detained by the junta (officially) according to AI and with the disclaimer that these are the cases they are able to confirm. Of those, 51 were associated with the anti-government protests and the PDRC side. That - just to make it really simple for you - is a 13-to-1 ratio.

That is not opinion, or what I believe. That is information available to everyone today.

You could claim that a 13-to-1 ratio doesn't indicate a situation of political persecution, but wouldn't that seem dishonest? Or to paraphrase your comment, wouldn't that be "to imagine something based on what you believe as a junta cheerleader, rather than on facts"?

So,

"I would venture to say that anyone who has paid attention to her case could at least reasonably imagine that this woman is being setup - even if they disagreed completely with her politics."

leaves open that same people, same information could reasonably imagine that Ms. Kritsada has been setup especially when they agree with her politics.

Mind you, that still makes me wonder about what 'politics' of Ms. Kritsada ?