Apology was good, but rape is a big problem in Thai society

[Lite Beer]

EDITORIAL
Apology was good, but rape is a big problem in Thai society
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Prayuth's apology for his remark about bikinis is welcome, but action to counter crime always speaks louder than words

Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha has apologised for his bikini remark in the face of a national and international outcry.

Nevertheless, damage has been done.

"They think our country is beautiful and is safe so they can do whatever they want, they can wear bikinis and walk everywhere," Prayuth told top government officials during a policy address. "[but] can they be safe in bikinis ... unless they are not beautiful?"

His comment followed the brutal murder of two British tourists on holiday on Koh Tao, a popular destination in the Gulf of Thailand among young foreign travellers.

In his first attempt at damage control, Prayuth said: "I want to apologise for everything if my remark was too harsh and caused misunderstanding", suggesting that the public missed the point that he was trying to get across.

"I'm sorry that it hurt people. I have too much pressure and feel sorry about the loss [of lives] whether they are Thais or foreigners," the junta chief turned premier went on to say.

Prayuth was questioning the safety of foreign tourists in the country. He suggested that there was a price to pay should one choose to dress a certain way.

Essentially, he was tossing the blame on the victims, not the fact that crime - specifically rape and other form of sexually assault - is a major problem in the Kingdom.

If wearing a bikini on the beach is not appropriate, perhaps under-dressed young women hanging offpoles in Pattaya and Bangkok's Soi Cowboy and Soi Patpong should be criticised, along with the owners of the bars they work in, as well.

According to one account, a rape occurs in this country every 15 minutes. That's a sad and disturbing reality. Another sad predicament is our attitude towards rape and sex crime, not to mention the neanderthal mentality that many of our leaders can't seem to let go of.

Prayuth's statement came two days after the battered bodies of David Miller, 24, and Hannah Witheridge, 23, were found on the southern resort island of Koh Tao.

Instead of remarks about why men may be driven to rape women, Prayuth's thought and prayers should be with the victims' family.

But Prayuth also did something that many of our other national leaders would not do. He apologised for his remarks.

This was welcome. Certainly he had the benefit of hindsight. But nevertheless, he went on the record to say that he did not intend to insult or blame anyone, and that Thailand is still a safe place for foreign visitors. And like anywhere else, there are bad people out there.

As expected, Prayuth instructed security officials to step up their measures to protect tourists. Such spin is expected.

But if our officials are serious about this, they need to keep up with measures within reach, like the crackdown on fraudulent taxi operators roaming around airports and scam artists hanging around major hotels in Bangkok, waiting to lure foreigners to whatever trap they have set up for them.

If Thai authorities and law enforcement officers can't deal with the more obvious problems clearly within sight, why would anyone think they can crack down on crime and criminals in not-so-visible places?

In many respects Thailand faces a crisis of confidence. The new PM's advisers should remember, he does not need to comment on everything. There is much to be done. And in the end, action speaks louder than words.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Apology-was-good-but-rape-is-a-big-problem-in-Thai-30243739.html

-- The Nation 2014-09-21

[noitom]

An alternative and more thoughtful headline might have been - Apology Essential But Misses The Whole Point.

[rubl]

It would seem that long term prevention can be done with mindset / attitude change.

Or in other words "education, education, education"

[NongKhaiKid]

Rape is disgusting wherever it happens but is downplayed in the so called ' conservative ' societies with all sorts of spurious reasons produced such as women bring in on themselves by dressing provocatively.

Let's not forget too that in some countries women alleging rape face being charged with adultery.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

  On 9/21/2014 at 12:44 AM, AYJAYDEE said:

so no?

So yes, Cambodia and Thailand share all the same issues.

[AYJAYDEE]

  On 9/21/2014 at 12:49 AM, AnotherOneAmerican said:

  On 9/21/2014 at 12:44 AM, AYJAYDEE said:

so no?

So yes, Cambodia and Thailand share all the same issues.

no they dont. thailand didnt have their society totally destroyed and 1.8 million people murdered. cambodians have been brutalized far more.

[Fred Flinstone]

Whats not being viewed here is the Rape and sexual assault figures on non residents of that country -

EG Tourists .

Most rapes in rural Thailand are never even reported similar to places Like India.

Sexual assault on visitors remains high in both countries mentioned.

As such travel warnings ask woman to be aware of this.

Especially , on coastal beaches or roads after dark.

And accepting drinks in bars from any men (especially Thai males )

[bkk1timer]

  On 9/20/2014 at 11:57 PM, georgemandm said:

I am sure we don't have rape happening every 15 mins in Australia

A quick google search turned up this:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

For every 100,000 people, 28.6 of them are raped in Australia.

For every 100,000 people, 6.7 of them are raped in Thailand.

[KarenBravo]

  On 9/21/2014 at 12:37 AM, Saleg said:

In the period 2011-2012 there were over 51000 sexual assaults reported in Australia. That figure does not include those under the age of 18. Given that Australia's population is one third that of Thailand those figures are somewhat alarming. That's a sexual assault every ten minutes.

You're comparing apples to oranges. When you know how many of those sexual assaults were actual rape, get back to us.......

All rapes are sexual assault, but, not all sexual assaults are rape.

[jaltsc]

"Prayuth was questioning the safety of foreign tourists in the country. He suggested that there was a price to pay should one choose to dress a certain way."

He can't have it both ways. TAT uses bikini clad women to induce tourists to visit Thai beaches and then Prayuth says: "Yes come to Thailand and enjoy our beaches at your own peril." I would say he is two faced on this one, but it appears he has lost both of his faces.

[thesetat2013]

You all are comparing the wrong things. Every country can quote its rape statistics. No one here has looked at the real problem. The mentality of a Thai man that made the leader of this country make such a comment initially. This attitude is rampant amongst the Thai man. Sure the General made an apology. That in itself was a step forward. However it does not change the fact that the comment was made by a leader of a country and that rape occurs here a lot just as their statistics dont accurately show the true number of rapes because of the mentality of Thai people. This is a core issue amongst thais which should be addressed.

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[givenall]

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  On 9/21/2014 at 12:20 AM, noitom said:

An alternative and more thoughtful headline might have been - Apology Essential But Misses The Whole Point.

Yeah, some ne used his/hers silk cloth for this report. should have said " Bikini comment was totally out of line"

[AnotherOneAmerican]

My gf says you can't rape your partner/wife/gf.

Consent is already assumed and the woman has no choice but to comply.

Girl says 'no', man just does it anyway, his right.

Try that one in a western country!

[NeverSure]

Sometimes I wonder if the people who make these charts have an agenda, or maybe a different definition. In the NationMaster info, it shows the US, Australia and the UK about the same. But the red graph doesn't even show OZ or UK, that I can see.

Back to the topic, rape is a horrible thing that scars a woman mentally for life. The perps should be permanently off the streets however a country chooses because they have really messed up minds.

[AYJAYDEE]

  On 9/21/2014 at 1:34 AM, thesetat2013 said:

You all are comparing the wrong things. Every country can quote its rape statistics. No one here has looked at the real problem. The mentality of a Thai man that made the leader of this country make such a comment initially. This attitude is rampant amongst the Thai man. Sure the General made an apology. That in itself was a step forward. However it does not change the fact that the comment was made by a leader of a country and that rape occurs here a lot just as their statistics dont accurately show the true number of rapes because of the mentality of Thai people. This is a core issue amongst thais which should be addressed.

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that issue should be addressed in dozens of conservative countries. and it will be. slowly. in the meantime, I have met many people in western society that would agree with that. it is common.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Womens%20Page/clothing_does_matter.htm

http://returnofqueens.com/womens-responsibility-in-preventing-rape/

http://barbwire.com/2014/08/29/godlessness-safety-nail-polish-rape-culture/

[Sayonarax]

  On 9/21/2014 at 1:40 AM, NeverSure said:

Sometimes I wonder if the people who make these charts have an agenda, or maybe a different definition. In the NationMaster info, it shows the US, Australia and the UK about the same. But the red graph doesn't even show OZ or UK, that I can see.

Back to the topic, rape is a horrible thing that scars a woman mentally for life. The perps should be permanently off the streets however a country chooses because they have really messed up minds.

Guys can be victims of rape too..

You direct your comments at women only.

[Commerce]

  On 9/21/2014 at 1:54 AM, AYJAYDEE said:

  On 9/21/2014 at 1:34 AM, thesetat2013 said:

You all are comparing the wrong things. Every country can quote its rape statistics. No one here has looked at the real problem. The mentality of a Thai man that made the leader of this country make such a comment initially. This attitude is rampant amongst the Thai man. Sure the General made an apology. That in itself was a step forward. However it does not change the fact that the comment was made by a leader of a country and that rape occurs here a lot just as their statistics dont accurately show the true number of rapes because of the mentality of Thai people. This is a core issue amongst thais which should be addressed.

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that issue should be addressed in dozens of conservative countries. and it will be. slowly. in the meantime, I have met many people in western society that would agree with that. it is common.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Womens%20Page/clothing_does_matter.htm

http://returnofqueens.com/womens-responsibility-in-preventing-rape/

http://barbwire.com/2014/08/29/godlessness-safety-nail-polish-rape-culture/

http://www.economist.com/node/21561883

[doremifasol]

"They think our country is beautiful and is safe so they can do whatever they want,

they can wear bikinis and walk everywhere,"

A beach is the most proper place where to wear a bikini

but this concept doesn't apply here.

Sadly, this draconian way of thinking applies to the vast majority of Thais.

And they are supposed to be in the year 2557.

[kannot]

  On 9/21/2014 at 12:37 AM, Saleg said:

In the period 2011-2012 there were over 51000 sexual assaults reported in Australia. That figure does not include those under the age of 18. Given that Australia's population is one third that of Thailand those figures are somewhat alarming. That's a sexual assault every ten minutes.

But you would have to specify exactly what "sexual assault" in those figures meant.

!. Rape

2 Man pinches womans bottom on bus

Both sexual assault

[metisdead]

Topic is about rape being a big problem in Thai society, not the discussion of rape statistics in other countries, off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[LuckyLew]

  On 9/20/2014 at 11:57 PM, georgemandm said:

I am sure we don't have rape happening every 15 mins in Australia

how can you be sure? ... especially when so many rapes are never reported

[mauGR1]

Playing with statistics is almost useless IMHO.

My perception, right or wrong, is that, in many parts of the world, rapes and sexual assaults are massively under-reported.

[Commerce]

  On 9/21/2014 at 2:46 AM, mauGR1 said:

Playing with statistics is almost useless IMHO.

My perception, right or wrong, is that, in many parts of the world, rapes and sexual assaults are massively under-reported.

Somewhat true, but one has to start somewhere, doesn't one?

I think we all know that in certain countries and cultures rape is less likely to be reported, for fear of retribution or even being outcast or even rebuked for one's own actions (including being attacked).

"It is highly likely that more than 50% or much more of rapes in Thailand go unreported, for fear of retribution or rebuke, and fear that the system here would not cater to the victim. Even if the perpretrator were to be proven to have committed wrong action, a small fine would likely see him walk free" {sic} (regarding rape from male to female). [source: the other one, not permitted to link].

[englishoak]

  On 9/21/2014 at 2:59 AM, Commerce said:

  On 9/21/2014 at 2:46 AM, mauGR1 said:

Playing with statistics is almost useless IMHO.

My perception, right or wrong, is that, in many parts of the world, rapes and sexual assaults are massively under-reported.

Somewhat true, but one has to start somewhere, doesn't one?

I think we all know that in certain countries and cultures rape is less likely to be reported, for fear of retribution or even being outcast or even rebuked for one's own actions (including being attacked).

"It is highly likely that more than 50% or much more of rapes in Thailand go unreported, for fear of retribution or rebuke, and fear that the system here would not cater to the victim. Even if the perpretrator were to be proven to have committed wrong action, a small fine would likely see him walk free" {sic} (regarding rape from male to female). [source: the other one, not permitted to link].

The UK group rape crisis estimates about 60% go unreported in the UK... id expect it given the cultural differences and less chance of a Thai woman reporting or speaking up its closer to 80% or higher here

[georgemandm]

Sexual assault is not rape in Australia a woman can have you up for sexual assault for saying her bobs a to big get it Australia is a Police state you live here to long and you don't go back home and see what is going on so you people who think you know what you are say of the net go back and see how it is now ok .

[AYJAYDEE]

  On 9/21/2014 at 3:09 AM, georgemandm said:

Sexual assault is not rape in Australia a woman can have you up for sexual assault for saying her bobs a to big get it Australia is a Police state you live here to long and you don't go back home and see what is going on so you people who think you know what you are say of the net go back and see how it is now ok .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Australia

[mauGR1]

  On 9/21/2014 at 2:59 AM, Commerce said:

  On 9/21/2014 at 2:46 AM, mauGR1 said:

Playing with statistics is almost useless IMHO.

My perception, right or wrong, is that, in many parts of the world, rapes and sexual assaults are massively under-reported.

Somewhat true, but one has to start somewhere, doesn't one?

I think we all know that in certain countries and cultures rape is less likely to be reported, for fear of retribution or even being outcast or even rebuked for one's own actions (including being attacked).

"It is highly likely that more than 50% or much more of rapes in Thailand go unreported, for fear of retribution or rebuke, and fear that the system here would not cater to the victim. Even if the perpretrator were to be proven to have committed wrong action, a small fine would likely see him walk free" {sic} (regarding rape from male to female). [source: the other one, not permitted to link].

I agree that one has to start somewhere.. A good start would be to have 50/50 male and female police forces, lawyers, lawmakers, politicians and the likes... Unfortunately we are seeing the other side of the coin in the west, in the shape of exaggerated or even totally false sexual assaults reports..

So.. It really starts from one's education and culture. And upbringing.

Do i want to be a man, or do i want to be an animal ?

[georgemandm]

You still don't get it you read to much sh?t of the net go and see with your own eyes ok

[AYJAYDEE]

  On 9/21/2014 at 3:16 AM, georgemandm said:

You still don't get it you read to much sh?t of the net go and see with your own eyes ok

anecdotal evidence means little

[seajae]

  On 9/21/2014 at 2:34 AM, kannot said:

  On 9/21/2014 at 12:37 AM, Saleg said:

In the period 2011-2012 there were over 51000 sexual assaults reported in Australia. That figure does not include those under the age of 18. Given that Australia's population is one third that of Thailand those figures are somewhat alarming. That's a sexual assault every ten minutes.

But you would have to specify exactly what "sexual assault" in those figures meant.

!. Rape

2 Man pinches womans bottom on bus

Both sexual assault

in Australia a wolf whistle or saying something with a sexual inference are regarded as sexual assault, it does not have to be physical