Thai Court drops petition against warnings on booze

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Court drops petition against warnings on booze
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Central Administrative Court yesterday dropped a petition lodged by five alcoholic beverage makers against the Office of Alcohol Control Committee's order requiring them to publish written and pictorial warnings on the hazard of drinking on labels.

The ruling said that though drinking does not immediately cause negative effects or health hazards, it was common knowledge that alcohol is intoxicating and can cause long-term health hazards. Such warnings are informative and help the public to know and realise negative results stemming from drinking, the ruling said.

The court also dismissed claims by the five manufacturers, both local and foreign, that the order was unconstitutional and disrupted their business, saying the practice of including these warnings on labels was backed by two Articles.

Under the commission's requirements, the warnings include messages that alcohol can cause cancer, sexual impotence, can result in injuries and death from drunk driving, is behind aggressive behaviour and crime, can hurt families and cause social problems. Manufacturers have a choice of which warning they want to opt for.

The complaint from the alcohol makers also implicated a former prime minister and former public health minister, as they tried to enforce the commission's order.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Court-drops-petition-against-warnings-on-booze-30244520.html


-- The Nation 2014-10-01

[Local Drunk]

Thank God for that!

[Fred Flinstone]

Quote

Formaldehyde was measured in 29 beers [out of 84 tested] (including 7 imported brands) using solid-phase microextraction with on-fiber derivatization. Formaldehyde levels were between 0.082–0.356 mg/L.

UnQuote

Chang beer is one that is dangerous (not the export one) But the full strength 6.4% one.

It pickles the brain literally - its got embalming fluid in it-

Its definitely a dangerous brew and the morgue is full of motor bike riders and stabbed to death victims of the stuff.

Only Thai whisky excels this beers carnage

Edited October 1, 2014 by Fred Flinstone

[halloween]

The problems above occur when drinking to excess.

So why not warning labels on drinking water bottles and taps. When water is drunk to excess "symptoms include headache, fatigue, nausea, vomiting, frequent urination and mental disorientation." and death.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill/

[alant]

Quote

Formaldehyde was measured in 29 beers [out of 84 tested] (including 7 imported brands) using solid-phase microextraction with on-fiber derivatization. Formaldehyde levels were between 0.082–0.356 mg/L.

UnQuote

Chang beer is one that is dangerous (not the export one) But the full strength 6.4% one.

It pickles the brain literally - its got embalming fluid in it-

Its definitely a dangerous brew and the morgue is full of motor bike riders and stabbed to death victims of the stuff.

Only Thai whisky excels this beers carnage

Embalming fluid!?!

What do they do take it out of the export one? How does it get in there in the first place? and the Thai whiskey reference? can you give the link to the original reference please. thanks.

[Commerce]

Thank God for that!

+200

[NongKhaiKid]

It's all a bit hypocritical. Bars etc are not allowed to put up bunting, posters, use bar towels etc. anything with a name on it and alcohol advertising on television is banned BUT beer companies can sponsor events especially sporting which are shown on television and their logos are all over the arena.

[halloween]

Quote

Formaldehyde was measured in 29 beers [out of 84 tested] (including 7 imported brands) using solid-phase microextraction with on-fiber derivatization. Formaldehyde levels were between 0.082–0.356 mg/L.

UnQuote

Chang beer is one that is dangerous (not the export one) But the full strength 6.4% one.

It pickles the brain literally - its got embalming fluid in it-

Its definitely a dangerous brew and the morgue is full of motor bike riders and stabbed to death victims of the stuff.

Only Thai whisky excels this beers carnage

How about a link for that quote? I suspect it might be from Singha.

[lucjoker]

i live here 11 years,

never met an alcoholic!

They all can stop drinking when they want ,so no problemo.

The thing is they don't want to stop drinking,so they are drunk

every day but are not alcoholics,tit

[lee b]

Oh what ! I even went out and bought aload of them condom things ! I was told it was bad for you. Oh well never mind

[Neeranam]

i live here 11 years,

never met an alcoholic!

They all can stop drinking when they want ,so no problemo.

The thing is they don't want to stop drinking,so they are drunk

every day but are not alcoholics,tit

I've met literally thousands of alcoholics.

BTW, alcoholism is not based on how much or even how often you drink. Some people can drink everyday and not be alkies.

You'll see some during OK PANSA or the end of Buddhist Lent. So many 'hopeless' alcoholics become monks during lent and when thy come out, guess what happens. Alcohol treatment centres see a huge rise in patients in October due to this and also the school holiday where many teachers go on binges.

Of course booze should have a warning if cigarettes have. How many families are ruined by alcohol compared to cigarettes?

How many serious crimes are due to alcohol, how many because of cigarettes? How many deaths on the road are due to cigarettes?

It's obvious, if alcohol were discovered today it would be banned.

Anyone saying alcohol is harmless is it total denial.

Edited October 1, 2014 by Neeranam

[WhizBang]

i live here 11 years,

never met an alcoholic!

They all can stop drinking when they want ,so no problemo.

The thing is they don't want to stop drinking,so they are drunk

every day but are not alcoholics,tit

I've met literally thousands of alcoholics.

BTW, alcoholism is not based on how much or even how often you drink. Some people can drink everyday and not be alkies.

You'll see some during OK PANSA or the end of Buddhist Lent. So many 'hopeless' alcoholics become monks during lent and when thy come out, guess what happens. Alcohol treatment centres see a huge rise in patients in October due to this and also the school holiday where many teachers go on binges.

Of course booze should have a warning if cigarettes have. How many families are ruined by alcohol compared to cigarettes?

How many serious crimes are due to alcohol, how many because of cigarettes? How many deaths on the road are due to cigarettes?

It's obvious, if alcohol were discovered today it would be banned.

Anyone saying alcohol is harmless is it total denial.

As with all things, it is up to each individual to control themselves. Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol (except maybe kao lao) if taken in moderation. The same cannot be said for cigarettes.

[Neeranam]

i live here 11 years,

never met an alcoholic!

They all can stop drinking when they want ,so no problemo.

The thing is they don't want to stop drinking,so they are drunk

every day but are not alcoholics,tit

I've met literally thousands of alcoholics.

BTW, alcoholism is not based on how much or even how often you drink. Some people can drink everyday and not be alkies.

You'll see some during OK PANSA or the end of Buddhist Lent. So many 'hopeless' alcoholics become monks during lent and when thy come out, guess what happens. Alcohol treatment centres see a huge rise in patients in October due to this and also the school holiday where many teachers go on binges.

Of course booze should have a warning if cigarettes have. How many families are ruined by alcohol compared to cigarettes?

How many serious crimes are due to alcohol, how many because of cigarettes? How many deaths on the road are due to cigarettes?

It's obvious, if alcohol were discovered today it would be banned.

Anyone saying alcohol is harmless is it total denial.

As with all things, it is up to each individual to control themselves. Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol (except maybe kao lao) if taken in moderation. The same cannot be said for cigarettes.

So what about heroin or marijuana, is anything wrong with them?

I smoked cigarettes for 30 years, up to 60 a day with no problem.

[JOC]

As a sober alcoholic (many years now), I can tell you during my thirsty days, no warnings on the bottle would have stopped me from getting my "fix"!

@lucjoker. Alcoholics don't drink to get drunk, but to get sober, if that makes any sense?

So the warnings are in reality for the people, who can handle their alcohol-comsumption, so not really needed!

[jaltsc]

"The ruling said that though drinking does not immediately cause negative effects or health hazards..."

I argue with that. I would say that being killed by a drunk driver constitutes an immediate, negative health hazard.

[jaltsc]

i live here 11 years,

never met an alcoholic!

They all can stop drinking when they want ,so no problemo.

The thing is they don't want to stop drinking,so they are drunk

every day but are not alcoholics,tit

You're only an alcoholic if you go to AA meetings. Otherwise, you're just a common drunk

[halloween]

I've met literally thousands of alcoholics.

BTW, alcoholism is not based on how much or even how often you drink. Some people can drink everyday and not be alkies.

You'll see some during OK PANSA or the end of Buddhist Lent. So many 'hopeless' alcoholics become monks during lent and when thy come out, guess what happens. Alcohol treatment centres see a huge rise in patients in October due to this and also the school holiday where many teachers go on binges.

Of course booze should have a warning if cigarettes have. How many families are ruined by alcohol compared to cigarettes?

How many serious crimes are due to alcohol, how many because of cigarettes? How many deaths on the road are due to cigarettes?

It's obvious, if alcohol were discovered today it would be banned.

Anyone saying alcohol is harmless is it total denial.

If you think that there are not many road accidents caused by cigarettes, you are seriously deluding yourself. Anything that distracts the driver from the job at hand will cause accidents.

Not so much on motorcycles.

[Strangebrew]

Well then tell TAT to put warning on tourism in Thailand It is known fact can lead to suicide , death, victim of scams, Of two price system, Of picking up woman that not woman and falling out of hotel window later.With your stuff missing.

[hyperdimension]

As with all things, it is up to each individual to control themselves. Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol (except maybe kao lao) if taken in moderation. The same cannot be said for cigarettes.

The same should apply to drugs that are currently illegal for consistency. I support the legalization and regulated sale of all drugs and safety guideline information provided with the products.

Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol (except maybe kao lao) if taken in moderation.

I don't know on what scientific basis you state "Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol". Even one dose can have negative health and mental effects on the consumer which can also then affect others. Just about every drug has both positive and negative effects (including caffeine, which for example can increase anxiety and irritability) regardless of legal status.

Moderated consumption is better than excess consumption, but there are other factors that should also be considered. One standard dose of one drug can have more negative effects than a standard dose of some other drug. e.g. I'd say that one dose of ethanol would be more harmful than one dose of kratom.

There needs to be a major shift in the mainstream perception of the world of drugs, including the acceptance of the recreational consumption of a much wider range of drugs than just the few currently accepted ones that include ethanol, tobacco and caffeine. If health and safety truly is a concern, then promote well-informed consumption by providing safety guideline information with the products instead of simply making the drugs illegal.

[Local Drunk]

It's all a bit hypocritical. Bars etc are not allowed to put up bunting, posters, use bar towels etc. anything with a name on it and alcohol advertising on television is banned BUT beer companies can sponsor events especially sporting which are shown on television and their logos are all over the arena.

You know how it works mate... The more dangerous it is, the more I want it.

[h90]

"cause cancer, sexual impotence"

if it would cause sexual impotence my home country would be extinct 500 years ago.

And cancer? Well Thai Beer maybe, but else alcohol doesn't cause cancer, actually it reduces the risk of some diseases if drink in moderation.

[masuk]

Quote

Formaldehyde was measured in 29 beers [out of 84 tested] (including 7 imported brands) using solid-phase microextraction with on-fiber derivatization. Formaldehyde levels were between 0.082–0.356 mg/L.

UnQuote

Chang beer is one that is dangerous (not the export one) But the full strength 6.4% one.

It pickles the brain literally - its got embalming fluid in it-

Its definitely a dangerous brew and the morgue is full of motor bike riders and stabbed to death victims of the stuff.

Only Thai whisky excels this beers carnage

Embalming fluid!?!

What do they do take it out of the export one? How does it get in there in the first place? and the Thai whiskey reference? can you give the link to the original reference please. thanks.

Is it really whisky if it's made from rice grain and not malt?

I'm amazed that they can get away with saying that it's made in Scotland.

[DrTuner]

Now while at it, get rid of the tax stickers as well. They can be a real pain in the ass on imported beer bottles.

[toooa]

As with all things, it is up to each individual to control themselves. Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol (except maybe kao lao) if taken in moderation. The same cannot be said for cigarettes.

The same should apply to drugs that are currently illegal for consistency. I support the legalization and regulated sale of all drugs and safety guideline information provided with the products.

Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol (except maybe kao lao) if taken in moderation.

I don't know on what scientific basis you state "Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol". Even one dose can have negative health and mental effects on the consumer which can also then affect others. Just about every drug has both positive and negative effects (including caffeine, which for example can increase anxiety and irritability) regardless of legal status.

Moderated consumption is better than excess consumption, but there are other factors that should also be considered. One standard dose of one drug can have more negative effects than a standard dose of some other drug. e.g. I'd say that one dose of ethanol would be more harmful than one dose of kratom.

There needs to be a major shift in the mainstream perception of the world of drugs, including the acceptance of the recreational consumption of a much wider range of drugs than just the few currently accepted ones that include ethanol, tobacco and caffeine. If health and safety truly is a concern, then promote well-informed consumption by providing safety guideline information with the products instead of simply making the drugs illegal.

Health and safety is the excuse, money and power are the concern, the nanny state is the vehicle.

[NongKhaiKid]

It's all a bit hypocritical. Bars etc are not allowed to put up bunting, posters, use bar towels etc. anything with a name on it and alcohol advertising on television is banned BUT beer companies can sponsor events especially sporting which are shown on television and their logos are all over the arena.

You know how it works mate... The more dangerous it is, the more I want it.

Sounds like some of the women I used to know and luckily did a Harry Houdini

[Kiwisailor]

Formaldehyde quote comes from this paper and specifically relates to Chinese beers

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.2006.tb00733.x/abstract

The Chang story was supposedly spread by Singha - but who knows. Read this link for the real result

http://lewbryson.com/formaldehyde.htm

"Of course there is no formaldehyde in Singha -- any more than there is formaldehyde in Chang, the other popular Thai beer, or the Philippines beer San Miguel, or the Vietnamese 33, or Singapore’s Tiger beer, all of which have also been rumored to contain formaldehyde. Think about that for a minute while we solidly dispose of the Singha rumor."

[vogie]

i live here 11 years,

never met an alcoholic!

They all can stop drinking when they want ,so no problemo.

The thing is they don't want to stop drinking,so they are drunk

every day but are not alcoholics,tit

I've met literally thousands of alcoholics.

BTW, alcoholism is not based on how much or even how often you drink. Some people can drink everyday and not be alkies.

You'll see some during OK PANSA or the end of Buddhist Lent. So many 'hopeless' alcoholics become monks during lent and when thy come out, guess what happens. Alcohol treatment centres see a huge rise in patients in October due to this and also the school holiday where many teachers go on binges.

Of course booze should have a warning if cigarettes have. How many families are ruined by alcohol compared to cigarettes?

How many serious crimes are due to alcohol, how many because of cigarettes? How many deaths on the road are due to cigarettes?

It's obvious, if alcohol were discovered today it would be banned.

Anyone saying alcohol is harmless is it total denial.

As with all things, it is up to each individual to control themselves. Absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol (except maybe kao lao) if taken in moderation. The same cannot be said for cigarettes.

So what about heroin or marijuana, is anything wrong with them?

I smoked cigarettes for 30 years, up to 60 a day with no problem.

Not yet anyway!

[rickirs]

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The problems above occur when drinking to excess.

So why not warning labels on drinking water bottles and taps. When water is drunk to excess "symptoms include headache, fatigue, nausea, vomiting, frequent urination and mental disorientation." and death.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill/

Excessive breathing called hyperventilation can cause fainting and possible stroke. Shall we stop breathing?

[rickirs]

This ia a win for the Thai people.

But the Court is not the ultimate law of the land (Article 44 of the Interim Constitution) and private appeals to those who hold power may think differently, especially if "conflict" for the Thai people needs to be avoided.

[halloween]

Now while at it, get rid of the tax stickers as well. They can be a real pain in the ass on imported beer bottles.

You're doing it wrong.