Police address criticisms over Koh Tao arrest of Myanmar suspects

[ScotBkk]

They got the guys and now they will have their day in court. Videos, Witnesses, Confession, physical evidence and DNA. The suspects have lawyers who will be able to take their DNA again and compare it to that originally taken from the crime scene and analyzed in Thailand and Singapore.

It really is pathetic that faux internet forensic experts are going on with tiny bits of information, early police theories and imperfect reporting to come up with the most idiotic theories and then passing these off as plausible by pretending other facts don't exist.

The UK will not ask to become part of the investigation no matter how many people sign an internet petition. Like the rest of this nonsense, this is just not the way things work.

Most of you are no interested in justice, you just don't like who it turned out to be because you want to blame a Thai (specifically a rich one simply because he is rich) while others are angry and distrust the police. Get over it, the case is now going to be in the courts hands and it is so highly unlikely all the evidence including DNA (which can be verified again) are all a set-up.

While the police without doubt made mistakes it is just idiotic the way some our pretending. The want transparency but they can;t handle even receiving a little info. OMFG, so the police didn't know who did this originally and focused their attention on numerous suspects until landing on these two whose DNA matched ... this is the way many investigations go around the world. You take reports as gold when it suites your need for a conspiracy but even the most uninformed of those of us in Thailand know the press is crap and things are lost in translation.

The DNA matches and we all know as well as the police it can be verified again and again as long as the two suspects bodies are around. So go off on idiotic phone and unmissing video BS to make yourself feel better but it just comes off as desperate and illogical and dishonest.

Can you cite the reference that confirms DNA was sent to Singapore for testing?

Of course not because I nor you are part of the investigation. We have statements it was sent because Thai labs were not cable of identifying race (only gender) and then later we have Thai officials stating the DNA came back as Asian.

But I see your point, ignore everything else and focus on something that has not been confirmed by you. Clearly it must have been the son of a rich Thai and a plethora of people including doctors, police, officials, friends of the suspects and soon the prosecutors, courts and their lawyers have plotted to cover it up by likely executing some immigrant workers.

Good ole dependable Johnny Boy ... 2 young Burmese kids ......... take em out and hang Em' High ........ he's totally convinced, so we should all be grateful for his running commentary and using up all his spare time to Hijack all the threads ...... do anything for anyone - he's got a heart of gold. I'm welling up with gratitude for this great man ................ a MAN of the People ........

[Brian Corrigan]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

[englishoak]

This afternoon I saw Sorayuth on Channel 3 interviewing a police forensic scientist who was saying there was DNA found on Hannah's nipples from two males, neither of whom were David or the two suspects. I wonder what that is all about.

There is a Youtube clip in Thai of Khunying Pornthip saying the the Koh Tao case is a "cover-up" (kati ampran). Haven't seen any reports of that elsewhere.

You have to wonder at this kind of answer.

It of course suggests multiple people .. ie a gang. exactly what the event points to being more than 2 in the first place.

of course its a cover up, its so obvious, there are even peiople like JTJ running about on every thread for 3 days solid desperate to keep insisting its a wrap whilst ignoring every bs fail and contradiction. Hes a shill no doubt about it.

And of course theres the threat to stop talking about it.... when in doubt and all else fails try threats and fear. .. so sad and obvious its childlike.

[Anthony5]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

Sean was a dive instructor, probably skinned as a rock like all those dive instructors.

He got what he was looking for. A free ticket to the UK.

[Anthony5]

This afternoon I saw Sorayuth on Channel 3 interviewing a police forensic scientist who was saying there was DNA found on Hannah's nipples from two males, neither of whom were David or the two suspects. I wonder what that is all about.

There is a Youtube clip in Thai of Khunying Pornthip saying the the Koh Tao case is a "cover-up" (kati ampran). Haven't seen any reports of that elsewhere.

Youtube clips are allowed to be posted on Thaivisa, so we all look forward to your posting of the link

[SICHONSTEVE]

So you (greenchair) would release the innocent 'young boys' and let them go back to Burma then, because you believe they have been made scapegoats

[englishoak]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

Sean was a dive instructor, probably skinned as a rock like all those dive instructors.

He got what he was looking for. A free ticket to the UK.

There are no free tickets to the UK, the embassy dont do that.

next line of BS please

[MJP]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

Sean was a dive instructor, probably skinned as a rock like all those dive instructors.

He got what he was looking for. A free ticket to the UK.

There are no free tickets to the UK, the embassy dont do that.

next line of BS please

Add to that he was reportedly heading for Italy.

[bunglebag]

I had JTJ down as a kosher sceptic to begin with but his and one or two obvious others increasing volume of repetitive posts trying to run interference and getting increasingly assertive that the burmese guys must be guilty, acted alone etc. makes me feel that maybe they have some ulterior motive. JTJ had a genuine point with the phone initially but now just blindly seems to be going with everything the RTP say despite knowing about all these 'errors' even they (JTJ, A5 and others) admit there have been in their 'investigation', along with intimidation / attempts to falsify witnesses etc.

I can't see why they are so happy / keen to believe that these 2 (if guilty) were the only 2 involved. What is wrong with making sure all leads are covered. Do you want some possibly other culprits to get away with such an awful crime? If you are so adamant that RTP have the correct and only culprits why not just sit back and let 'justice' run its course?

[Anthony5]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

Sean was a dive instructor, probably skinned as a rock like all those dive instructors.

He got what he was looking for. A free ticket to the UK.

There are no free tickets to the UK, the embassy dont do that.

next line of BS please

You think that the embassy dont repatriate you when you're threatened with death.

I think there are a few examples available

[bunglebag]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

Sean was a dive instructor, probably skinned as a rock like all those dive instructors.

He got what he was looking for. A free ticket to the UK.

He was a barman wasn't he, when he was there for 18 months previously? And had only recently returned after coming back to UK

Edited October 6, 2014 by bunglebag

[ScotBkk]

This afternoon I saw Sorayuth on Channel 3 interviewing a police forensic scientist who was saying there was DNA found on Hannah's nipples from two males, neither of whom were David or the two suspects. I wonder what that is all about.

There is a Youtube clip in Thai of Khunying Pornthip saying the the Koh Tao case is a "cover-up" (kati ampran). Haven't seen any reports of that elsewhere.

You have to wonder at this kind of answer.

It of course suggests multiple people .. ie a gang. exactly what the event points to being more than 2 in the first place.

of course its a cover up, its so obvious, there are even peiople like JTJ running about on every thread for 3 days solid desperate to keep insisting its a wrap whilst ignoring every bs fail and contradiction. Hes a shill no doubt about it.

And of course theres the threat to stop talking about it.... when in doubt and all else fails try threats and fear. .. so sad and obvious its childlike.

Yes, Oak ... all these decoys and red herrings thrown in for good measure beside the cynics that keep the fire burning and we all know that what was done in literal terms (and sorry to say) was that poor Hannah lost face and this is what sickens me the most .... all we are doing is trying our best for people to see reason but in the end ... will it help............... or are we flogging a dead horse ...... and will this will just die out as a myth

[rick182]

Would it be weird of me to attend the funeral on friday even though I didnt know her?.. and yes the public are allowed are invited according to the paper

Edited October 6, 2014 by rick182

[bunglebag]

I had JTJ down as a kosher sceptic to begin with but his and one or two obvious others increasing volume of repetitive posts trying to run interference and getting increasingly assertive that the burmese guys must be guilty, acted alone etc. makes me feel that maybe they have some ulterior motive. JTJ had a genuine point with the phone initially but now just blindly seems to be going with everything the RTP say despite knowing about all these 'errors' even they (JTJ, A5 and others) admit there have been in their 'investigation', along with intimidation / attempts to falsify witnesses etc.

I can't see why they are so happy / keen to believe that these 2 (if guilty) were the only 2 involved. What is wrong with making sure all leads are covered. Do you want some possibly other culprits to get away with such an awful crime? If you are so adamant that RTP have the correct and only culprits why not just sit back and let 'justice' run its course?

Maybe you should also start charging us for not agreeing with YOUR version of the story.

Did you read that other thread yet, still time to change you internet provider.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/766224-police-charges-for-those-accusing-the-police-of-using-scapegoats/

I believe I am entitled to free speech? Your posts are just raising a red flag to me, and the more you post the bigger the flag gets. You seem to have some kind of motive - Why the veiled threats against me and others for voicing an opinion?

You and JTJ are singing from the same songsheet - same IP address too I wonder?

Edited October 6, 2014 by bunglebag

[englishoak]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

Sean was a dive instructor, probably skinned as a rock like all those dive instructors.

He got what he was looking for. A free ticket to the UK.

There are no free tickets to the UK, the embassy dont do that.

next line of BS please

You think that the embassy dont repatriate you when you're threatened with death.

I think there are a few examples available

I know they dont unless extreme circumstances, sean certainly wasnt. And its not free either hed have to pay or a family member would

He was a bar man not an instructor.

This is about Myanmar arrests and the police being less than professional, not airline tickets.

Your join date is suspect your attitude post wise is very suspect.

Why are you spam posting KT threads with off topic comments and rubbish ?

[7Heaven]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

Sean was a dive instructor, probably skinned as a rock like all those dive instructors.

He got what he was looking for. A free ticket to the UK.

There are no free tickets to the UK, the embassy dont do that.

next line of BS please

You think that the embassy dont repatriate you when you're threatened with death.

I think there are a few examples available

link please

[IslandLover]

StealthEnergiser, on 06 Oct 2014 - 12:22, said:

Dogmatix, on 06 Oct 2014 - 11:57, said:

Police address criticisms over arrest of Myanmar suspects.

The headline is misleading. Although they may have addressed some of the other criticisms elsewhere, this article deals only with the confusion over the mobile phone. It is not clear whether the confusion came from police or journalists but The Nation (and others) reported on 4 Oct that the two told police that they had raped the woman and killed her, before stealing her mobile phone and other belongings, and destroyed the unit at the back of their living quarters. If this really were the case, a revision to the confessions would need to be arranged but that shouldn't be a problem.

Looking at one of the crime scene photographs, there is something that could be a phone next the articles of clothing on the beach in the foreground but the resolution is not high enough to say for sure exactly what it is.

looks like a phone not sure what else it could be.

Looks like the end of the belt around the shorts to me.

[englishoak]

Would it be weird of me to attend the funeral on friday even though I didnt know her?.. and yes the public are allowed are invited according to the paper

No it wouldnt be weird, its done all the time and perfectly normal for the public to show respect and sympathy.

Id expect hundreds there if not more most of which wouldnt have known Hannah but still feel the loss and the wish to show support.

[Anthony5]

StealthEnergiser, on 06 Oct 2014 - 12:22, said:

Dogmatix, on 06 Oct 2014 - 11:57, said:

Police address criticisms over arrest of Myanmar suspects.

The headline is misleading. Although they may have addressed some of the other criticisms elsewhere, this article deals only with the confusion over the mobile phone. It is not clear whether the confusion came from police or journalists but The Nation (and others) reported on 4 Oct that the two told police that they had raped the woman and killed her, before stealing her mobile phone and other belongings, and destroyed the unit at the back of their living quarters. If this really were the case, a revision to the confessions would need to be arranged but that shouldn't be a problem.

Looking at one of the crime scene photographs, there is something that could be a phone next the articles of clothing on the beach in the foreground but the resolution is not high enough to say for sure exactly what it is.

looks like a phone not sure what else it could be.

Looks like the end of the belt around the shorts to me.

No no, you must have an agenda, you must be paid by the rtp, it is a phone Stealthengineert said so.

[JohnThailandJohn]

StealthEnergiser, on 06 Oct 2014 - 12:22, said:

Dogmatix, on 06 Oct 2014 - 11:57, said:

Police address criticisms over arrest of Myanmar suspects.

The headline is misleading. Although they may have addressed some of the other criticisms elsewhere, this article deals only with the confusion over the mobile phone. It is not clear whether the confusion came from police or journalists but The Nation (and others) reported on 4 Oct that the two told police that they had raped the woman and killed her, before stealing her mobile phone and other belongings, and destroyed the unit at the back of their living quarters. If this really were the case, a revision to the confessions would need to be arranged but that shouldn't be a problem.

Looking at one of the crime scene photographs, there is something that could be a phone next the articles of clothing on the beach in the foreground but the resolution is not high enough to say for sure exactly what it is.

looks like a phone not sure what else it could be.

Looks like the end of the belt around the shorts to me.

No no, you must have an agenda, you must be paid by the rtp, it is a phone Stealthengineert said so.

Anyone who doesn't see a conspiracy based on partial or incorrect info or low res images is either a paid member of RTP or a bigot.

Edited October 6, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[Dogmatix]

Where is Sean? The only man who has the answers.

Sean was a dive instructor, probably skinned as a rock like all those dive instructors.

He got what he was looking for. A free ticket to the UK.

He was a barman wasn't he, when he was there for 18 months previously? And had only recently returned after coming back to UK

Is there any evidence that Mr McAnna is still alive and kicking? He looks like he doesn't take care of himself well. Seems to get heavily intoxicated and get into scrapes judging by those nasty looking knife wounds on his arm and leg.

[jmccarty]

Anyone hauled in to a SEA police station will eventually admit to whatever they are accused of. There is no precedent for foriegn cops of any kind to interfere with an internal issue. Exception would be the British authorities in this case at great expense to the party in office. Otherwise, sad truth is that the world will get the local agreed story, end will be soon!

[NanLaew]

"He added that investigators would tomorrow sign a document confirming that the DNA samples given by the two Myanmar men matched those found on the victim’s body."

I can sign for them any document they like, but would that be the truth?

I still doubt it very much.

Please lets have an independent investigation by the British police.

Oh believe me, the AG will want much more proof than anything stated in some document forwarded by the police

Yes, with this total fustercluck of an investigation, the AG will expect a brown envelope full of 'proof' and nothing less.

Edited October 6, 2014 by NanLaew

[sweatalot]

I had JTJ down as a kosher sceptic to begin with but his and one or two obvious others increasing volume of repetitive posts trying to run interference and getting increasingly assertive that the burmese guys must be guilty, acted alone etc. makes me feel that maybe they have some ulterior motive. JTJ had a genuine point with the phone initially but now just blindly seems to be going with everything the RTP say despite knowing about all these 'errors' even they (JTJ, A5 and others) admit there have been in their 'investigation', along with intimidation / attempts to falsify witnesses etc.

I can't see why they are so happy / keen to believe that these 2 (if guilty) were the only 2 involved. What is wrong with making sure all leads are covered. Do you want some possibly other culprits to get away with such an awful crime? If you are so adamant that RTP have the correct and only culprits why not just sit back and let 'justice' run its course?

Maybe you should also start charging us for not agreeing with YOUR version of the story.

Did you read that other thread yet, still time to change you internet provider.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/766224-police-charges-for-those-accusing-the-police-of-using-scapegoats/

I believe I am entitled to free speech? Your posts are just raising a red flag to me, and the more you post the bigger the flag gets. You seem to have some kind of motive - Why the veiled threats against me and others for voicing an opinion?

You and JTJ are singing from the same songsheet - same IP address too I wonder?

who except the Thai police could have a motive to persuade everybody the 2 Burmese are the perps and the only perps?

In the other thread (police charge...) it says:

"People on social media believe that there are more than two people that killed the two British tourists than the police have caught."

edited to add the last sentence

Edited October 6, 2014 by sweatalot

[Dogmatix]

Here is today's interview of a policeman and a police pathologist by Sorayud on Channel 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ_1WfVs7RY . There are a couple of interesting points.

1. The pathologist assured the public that David's wounds were definitely made by the hoe, as per the confessions, and not by any form of knife. He didn't explain why the hoe wounds were so different to hoe wounds found on Hannah or why David's DNA was not found on the hoe.

2. The pathologist confirmed that DNA of two men A and B (i.e the suspects) was found in semen found inside Hannah, as we have already been told.

3. He also said that DNA of B and a third person C was found on Hannah's nipples. The third person was not David. The policeman didn't explain who the police thought C was or how he came to deposit his DNA on Hannah's nipples.

4. The pathologist said they found Hannah's DNA on the outside of the used condom found at the scene but they didn't find David's DNA inside. The policeman tried to explain why David's DNA might not have been detectable inside the condom but seemed to be struggling and the pathologist didn't help him out. Neither mentioned whether anyone else's DNA was found inside the condom and it is not clear to me whether any semen was found inside it. Nevertheless, even a man who has sex wearing a condom without ejaculating would leave some traces of bodily fluid and skin cells inside the condom. Whether this would be enough to trace DNA I can't say but in cases in other countries DNA seems traceable even in tiny skin cells.

So to sum up the police interview confirms that their is no forensic evidence that David and Hannah had sex before they were murdered. If this were the case, there should be DNA traces of pubic hair and skin cells from Hannah's body apart from the condom, admittedly mixed with those of A and B and whoever else was there.

Apart from suspects A and B, another man C's DNA was found on Hannah's nipples but not in her vagina.

Some one who cannot be positively identified as David (or C) used the condom to have sex with Hannah, although it sounded like the police didn't want to rule out David (or C), even though though can't proove it.

The interview seems to raise the questions of 1) who was C that left his DNA on Hannah's nipple? and 2) was there a fourth man D who raped Hannah wearing a condom and 3) or did C use the condom too but without leaving any DNA in it that they have thus far been able to find.

Perhaps I misunderstood some of the interview but that was my take.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Dogmatix

[7Heaven]

I believe I am entitled to free speech? Your posts are just raising a red flag to me, and the more you post the bigger the flag gets. You seem to have some kind of motive - Why the veiled threats against me and others for voicing an opinion?

You and JTJ are singing from the same songsheet - same IP address too I wonder?

You should keep up with my postings as I have posted my agenda already.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765971-koh-tao-murder-report-to-go-to-prosecutors-this-week-police/?p=8493413

Now run why you still can

Gosh you're one of the people in charge of the investigation? You must be quite high up then, and your English is pretty good (although the content of that particular post sounds like it was written by a juvenile). Would you care to provide a rank and name? No?, I thought not.

How exactly are we defaming your department? (which department is that please?) By wanting to be even fairly convinced that you have the correct culprits and by raising questions about things that seem to not have been investigated properly. If you are one of the people in charge of the investigation why don't you just answer the questions and be done with it - let's see the missing cctv. Or better still some other cctv which actually contains useful footage - you must have a lot.

Do you have jurisdiction over me?

Why are you spending so much time on internet forums?

Are you saying I'm not entitled to free speech?

What really is your agenda then? (I believe it is a crime to impersonate a Thai police officer btw)

Why have you claimed Sean was a dive instructor when he was actually a casual barman? That just about sums up your investigation, and from someone in charge of the investigation too - Oops - bye bye credibility as a genuine TV poster

email are already sent to RTP for a confirmation that he working for them

[Dogmatix]

who except the Thai police could have a motive to persuade everybody the 2 Burmese are the perps and the only perps?

In the other thread (police charge...) it says:

"People on social media believe that there are more than two people that killed the two British tourists than the police have caught."

edited to add the last sentence

The police pathologist himself said on Channel 3 that they found the DNA of a third man on Hannah's nipples. Will he be charged too? I mean the pathologist, not the third man.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Dogmatix

[Baerboxer]

"He added that investigators would tomorrow sign a document confirming that the DNA samples given by the two Myanmar men matched those found on the victim’s body."

I can sign for them any document they like, but would that be the truth?

I still doubt it very much.

Please lets have an independent investigation by the British police.

I don't see why you suggest a Pommy investigation would be better ,,,Get a independent team Get the U N to work together and sort out this crap.

The UN - do you have any idea what their role actually is?

Like they've been so successful in anything they've done.

If you think that the RTP have the same capabilities as the British police forces your intelligence speaks for itself.

[kickstarter]

is the thai police really going to arrest the rest of the world for talking about this sh*t on the internet. grow some balls. fix your society.

[Anthony5]

Gosh you're one of the people in charge of the investigation? You must be quite high up then, and your English is pretty good (although the content of that particular post sounds like it was written by a juvenile). Would you care to provide a rank and name? No?, I thought not.

How exactly are we defaming your department? (which department is that please?) By wanting to be even fairly convinced that you have the correct culprits and by raising questions about things that seem to not have been investigated properly. If you are one of the people in charge of the investigation why don't you just answer the questions and be done with it - let's see the missing cctv. Or better still some other cctv which actually contains useful footage - you must have a lot.

Do you have jurisdiction over me?

Why are you spending so much time on internet forums?

Are you saying I'm not entitled to free speech?

What really is your agenda then? (I believe it is a crime to impersonate a Thai police officer btw)

Why have you claimed Sean was a dive instructor when he was actually a casual barman? That just about sums up your investigation, and from someone in charge of the investigation too - Oops - bye bye credibility as a genuine TV poster

email are already sent to RTP for a confirmation that he working for them

Don't link them to this forum because they may read your posts where you accuse the RTP of covering up the crime and using scape goats.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Anthony5