Women's rights activists object

[Lite Beer]

Women's rights activists object
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Women rights' advocates have objected to the draft law on gender equality, which is due to be referred to the National Legislative Assembly, on the grounds that some of the definitions in the draft are reportedly not in line with the international principles.

Presenting their objection letter to NLA deputy chairman Surachai Liengboonlertchai at Parliament yesterday, the group's representatives claimed that many articles were also not in line with key content and principles of the Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women, to which Thailand is a signatory.

The group is therefore calling on the NLA to submit the draft law for the government's consideration under plans for the country's reform, and for brainstorming with civil society.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Womens-rights-activists-object-30245232.html

-- The Nation 2014-10-11

[jaltsc]

"...some of the definitions in the draft are reportedly not in line with the international principles."

The article would be a bit more informative if the writer listed the definitions in question in order to better inform the reader.

I would hope that gender equality will be seriously addressed and women would have equal rights under the eyes of Thai law. It is time Thailand and many other third world countries caught up with the rest of the world.

It has just been announced that the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Malala Yousafzai of Pakistan. It is time to take women's rights seriously.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-10/nobel-peace-prize-satyarthi-yousafzai-win/5805232

[ToddinChonburi]

There they are, do not seem to care about the murder and rape of a women. To busy with other more important things.

What a Joke !!!!!

[Ozziepat]

It is a fundamental mistake to separate any group from the citizenry as a whole and assign them "special" rights, or for that matter special restrictions. All should have human rights, and those rights should be clearly defined; adequately represented in the law; then equally, fairly and strictly enforced across gender, ethnic and class lines. Special categories, special rights, special crimes... There are invariably hidden motives behind advocacy for these distinctions, and "fairness" isn't one of them.

[londonthai]

reporting a serious issue in 3 short paragraphs shows, that Nation doesn't bother.

"Women rights' advocates have objected to the draft law on gender equality, which is due to be referred to the National Legislative Assembly ... The group is therefore calling on the NLA to submit the draft law for the government's consideration" - there is a small contradiction, they object, but still pushing this flowed law to be implemented. Must be one of those organisations associated with bringing "happines to the people"

[Lakegeneve]

It is a fundamental mistake to separate any group from the citizenry as a whole and assign them "special" rights, or for that matter special restrictions. All should have human rights, and those rights should be clearly defined; adequately represented in the law; then equally, fairly and strictly enforced across gender, ethnic and class lines. Special categories, special rights, special crimes... There are invariably hidden motives behind advocacy for these distinctions, and "fairness" isn't one of them.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. All people do have human rights and those rights are very clearly defined in international and domestic law (being an Australian you have good domestic law)

It is not a matter of according special rights to specific groups of people in society. It is a matter of recognising that endemic historical and contemporary discrimination and disadvantage requires specific measures to ensure equality for all. That is only fair is it not?

If you actually read CEDAW you would understand that. It is a convention which aims to eliminate discrimination that is specific to women. Just think about the title, that gives you a big hint, Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women. being a party to the convention doesn't automatically mean that discrimination against women suddenly disappears, it will obviously take many, many decades if it happens at all.

You'd think in a country where clearly men clearly dominate that ensuring that legistlation in consistent with Thailand's international obligations is no different than ensuring that Thailand complies with international standards in telecommunication or aviation.

I find it truly amazing how thin skinned some men are at the prospect of women being treated as equals. Men have had thousands of years of dominance and there is still no country in the world where women are equal (ven in the Scando countries) or do not face discrimination in some way. That is not going to change just because of CEDAW but it is one tool.

You should be able to cope for a while as your status quo as a dominate male will not be challenged too much in the coming decades.

[Bluespunk]

There they are, do not seem to care about the murder and rape of a women. To busy with other more important things.

What a Joke !!!!!

When you say "they" who exactly are you referring to?

[a1falang]

It is a fundamental mistake to separate any group from the citizenry as a whole and assign them "special" rights, or for that matter special restrictions. All should have human rights, and those rights should be clearly defined; adequately represented in the law; then equally, fairly and strictly enforced across gender, ethnic and class lines. Special categories, special rights, special crimes... There are invariably hidden motives behind advocacy for these distinctions, and "fairness" isn't one of them.

Yep. Men and boys are human beings (yes, really!) and deserve equal human rights. In the West, "rape" is often defined as only coerced penetrative sex, which means women cannot legally rape men or boys!

Boy, 11, fathers child after sex with friend's mum

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2013/06/15/10/20/auckland-boy-fathers-child-after-sex-with-friend-s-mum

"An 11-year-old Auckland boy fathered a child after having sex with a school friend's 36-year-old mother."

"Present legislation stipulates the crime of rape applies only when men force sex. Both carry a maximum sentence of 20 years but only men can be charged with rape. In contrast, women who force an unwilling partner to have sex face charges of sexual violation."

Now, a 36-year-old MAN "has sex" with an 11-year-old girl and gets her pregnant? People would form lynch mobs!

Female teacher who sought sex with 10-year-old boy walks free

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/female-teacher-who-sought-sex-with-10yearold-boy-walks-free-20141009-113hlz.html

If a man "sought sex" with a 10-year-old girl, it would be ATTEMPTED RAPE, he'd be registered as a paedophile and sex offender FOR LIFE, and IMPRISONED

Look how these stories are reported. She "sought sex" or a "relationship" with boys or male minors. No, these women attempted to rape or actually raped children and minors.

Men typically serve 33% more time in prison for the SAME crime as women in the West. Don't see many feminists crying about "prison sentence inequality", or a "rape culture" that serves as cover for female paedophiles and rapists and is used only to demonise men. ("Women can't rape! Only men rape!")

I would love women in the West to be held to the same standard as men, and be treated like adults, not as children or as mentally handicapped. Equal rights, equal responsibilities! Equal crime, equal time!

PS To bring this back to Thailand, where the patriarchy rule to oppress and exploit women for the benefit of men, guess who I see every day doing dangerous, filthy, thankless, tedious jobs like construction, clearing sewers, doing backbreaking labour etc.,? 95% of the time, MEN. Stop obsessing about poor WOMEN being exploited or treated unfairly, and just start on focusing on ALL those exploited and downtrodden, regardless of gender!

[Bluespunk]

It is a fundamental mistake to separate any group from the citizenry as a whole and assign them "special" rights, or for that matter special restrictions. All should have human rights, and those rights should be clearly defined; adequately represented in the law; then equally, fairly and strictly enforced across gender, ethnic and class lines. Special categories, special rights, special crimes... There are invariably hidden motives behind advocacy for these distinctions, and "fairness" isn't one of them.

Yep. Men and boys are human beings (yes, really!) and deserve equal human rights. In the West, "rape" is often defined as only coerced penetrative sex, which means women cannot legally rape men or boys!

Boy, 11, fathers child after sex with friend's mum

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2013/06/15/10/20/auckland-boy-fathers-child-after-sex-with-friend-s-mum

"An 11-year-old Auckland boy fathered a child after having sex with a school friend's 36-year-old mother."

"Present legislation stipulates the crime of rape applies only when men force sex. Both carry a maximum sentence of 20 years but only men can be charged with rape. In contrast, women who force an unwilling partner to have sex face charges of sexual violation."

Now, a 36-year-old MAN "has sex" with an 11-year-old girl and gets her pregnant? People would form lynch mobs!

Female teacher who sought sex with 10-year-old boy walks free

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/female-teacher-who-sought-sex-with-10yearold-boy-walks-free-20141009-113hlz.html

If a man "sought sex" with a 10-year-old girl, it would be ATTEMPTED RAPE, he'd be registered as a paedophile and sex offender FOR LIFE, and IMPRISONED

Look how these stories are reported. She "sought sex" or a "relationship" with boys or male minors. No, these women attempted to rape or actually raped children and minors.

Men typically serve 33% more time in prison for the SAME crime as women in the West. Don't see many feminists crying about "prison sentence inequality", or a "rape culture" that serves as cover for female paedophiles and rapists and is used only to demonise men. ("Women can't rape! Only men rape!")

I would love women in the West to be held to the same standard as men, and be treated like adults, not as children or as mentally handicapped. Equal rights, equal responsibilities! Equal crime, equal time!

PS To bring this back to Thailand, where the patriarchy rule to oppress and exploit women for the benefit of men, guess who I see every day doing dangerous, filthy, thankless, tedious jobs like construction, clearing sewers, doing backbreaking labour etc.,? 95% of the time, MEN. Stop obsessing about poor WOMEN being exploited or treated unfairly, and just start on focusing on ALL those exploited and downtrodden, regardless of gender!

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen, with a little manipulation of the facts, very selective choice of "evidence", half truths and a liberal sprinkling of BS and we have the "men are really as exploited, abused, raped, beaten by drunken spouses, trafficked for sex, abandoned with children, denied equal pay and opportunities in the workplace" argument.

Bravo sir, well played.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Bluespunk

[belg]

gender equality... so can the husband of the thai wife also buy land , get citizenship, work without hassle, like the farang wife of a thai husband could enjoy ?

[super22k]

Although I agree with a a great deal Malala stands for, I really do think she should pay some of her Nobel Peace Prize winnings to the British National Health Service for all the treatment she has recieved.Barack Obama was paid 1.4 million US dollars for his Nobel prize win. Malala s was a joint win so I assume she has won a massive 700,000 US Dollars.Does anyone know what she is going to do with all this money?

I realise the girl has suffered a lot but I think there are some questions to be asked.