Myanmar man framed for British tourist murders: mother

[kimamey]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

I don't think that's correct although it's difficult to tell with all the statements being given.

On the 23rd September they now had enough evidence and had detained the suspects for questioning and expected arrests by the end of the week.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762739-southern-police-chief-enough-evidence-in-british-tourists-murder-case-to-make-arrest-now/

On the 29th September they were looking for 3 suspects. Unless they escaped they must be different from the ones they had enough evidence for on the 23rd September

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764389-thai-police-pursuing-3-suspects-in-british-couples-murder/

On the 1st October they had enough evidence again and expected to issue an arrest warrant in 2 - 3 days.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764991-arrest-warrant-for-koh-tao-murder-suspect-to-be-issued-in-3-days/

On the 2nd October they detained three migrant workers.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765171-police-detain-three-migrant-workers-on-koh-tao-for-dna-test/

Also on the 2nd one of them confessed.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765237-koh-tao-murders-myanmar-worker-confesses-killing-british-tourists/

On the 29th they were looking to get the three men (same story different source as arrest expected in 3 days)

Arrested on the 2nd.

Fair enough but what happened to the ones they had detained on the 23rd September that they had enough evidence to arrest. I'm assuming in Thailand they can detain suspects before they arrest them.

[jdinasia]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

I don't think that's correct although it's difficult to tell with all the statements being given.

On the 23rd September they now had enough evidence and had detained the suspects for questioning and expected arrests by the end of the week.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762739-southern-police-chief-enough-evidence-in-british-tourists-murder-case-to-make-arrest-now/

On the 29th September they were looking for 3 suspects. Unless they escaped they must be different from the ones they had enough evidence for on the 23rd September

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764389-thai-police-pursuing-3-suspects-in-british-couples-murder/

On the 1st October they had enough evidence again and expected to issue an arrest warrant in 2 - 3 days.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764991-arrest-warrant-for-koh-tao-murder-suspect-to-be-issued-in-3-days/

On the 2nd October they detained three migrant workers.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765171-police-detain-three-migrant-workers-on-koh-tao-for-dna-test/

Also on the 2nd one of them confessed.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765237-koh-tao-murders-myanmar-worker-confesses-killing-british-tourists/

On the 29th they were looking to get the three men (same story different source as arrest expected in 3 days)

Arrested on the 2nd.

Fair enough but what happened to the ones they had detained on the 23rd September that they had enough evidence to arrest. I'm assuming in Thailand they can detain suspects before they arrest them.

The story on the 23rd says that they were already in detention and would be arrested within a week

So I assume he missed the target date by a day.

Edited October 16, 2014 by jdinasia

[kimamey]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

I don't think that's correct although it's difficult to tell with all the statements being given.

On the 23rd September they now had enough evidence and had detained the suspects for questioning and expected arrests by the end of the week.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762739-southern-police-chief-enough-evidence-in-british-tourists-murder-case-to-make-arrest-now/

On the 29th September they were looking for 3 suspects. Unless they escaped they must be different from the ones they had enough evidence for on the 23rd September

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764389-thai-police-pursuing-3-suspects-in-british-couples-murder/

On the 1st October they had enough evidence again and expected to issue an arrest warrant in 2 - 3 days.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764991-arrest-warrant-for-koh-tao-murder-suspect-to-be-issued-in-3-days/

On the 2nd October they detained three migrant workers.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765171-police-detain-three-migrant-workers-on-koh-tao-for-dna-test/

Also on the 2nd one of them confessed.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765237-koh-tao-murders-myanmar-worker-confesses-killing-british-tourists/

On the 29th they were looking to get the three men (same story different source as arrest expected in 3 days)

Arrested on the 2nd.

Fair enough but what happened to the ones they had detained on the 23rd September that they had enough evidence to arrest. I'm assuming in Thailand they can detain suspects before they arrest them.

The story on the 23rd says that they were already in detention and would be arrested within a week

So I assume he missed the target date by a day.

If they were detained on the 23rd why were they looking for them on the 29th.

It might be just bad translation or reporting but that's all we've got to go on and it doesn't add up.

[denkiblue555]

As mentioned, now becoming far more of an international issue (and reducing the relevance of what TV trolls say):

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29639997

[jdinasia]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

I don't think that's correct although it's difficult to tell with all the statements being given.

On the 23rd September they now had enough evidence and had detained the suspects for questioning and expected arrests by the end of the week.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762739-southern-police-chief-enough-evidence-in-british-tourists-murder-case-to-make-arrest-now/

On the 29th September they were looking for 3 suspects. Unless they escaped they must be different from the ones they had enough evidence for on the 23rd September

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764389-thai-police-pursuing-3-suspects-in-british-couples-murder/

On the 1st October they had enough evidence again and expected to issue an arrest warrant in 2 - 3 days.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764991-arrest-warrant-for-koh-tao-murder-suspect-to-be-issued-in-3-days/

On the 2nd October they detained three migrant workers.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765171-police-detain-three-migrant-workers-on-koh-tao-for-dna-test/

Also on the 2nd one of them confessed.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765237-koh-tao-murders-myanmar-worker-confesses-killing-british-tourists/

On the 29th they were looking to get the three men (same story different source as arrest expected in 3 days)

Arrested on the 2nd.

Fair enough but what happened to the ones they had detained on the 23rd September that they had enough evidence to arrest. I'm assuming in Thailand they can detain suspects before they arrest them.

The story on the 23rd says that they were already in detention and would be arrested within a week

So I assume he missed the target date by a day.

If they were detained on the 23rd why were they looking for them on the 29th.

It might be just bad translation or reporting but that's all we've got to go on and it doesn't add up.

Dunno.. Could have released them to see if it generated new information by following them? (pure speculation which I usually try and avoid.) or as you suggest. Poor translation. Or even new guys. It should come out in the trial.

[denkiblue555]

Petition at 89,711....

[carstenp]

this sad story about 2 young people killed, and right now another British man got killed in a crossfire says phuket wan. what is going on here in Thailand. should it be safe to have holiday here

[MJP]

this sad story about 2 young people killed, and right now another British man got killed in a crossfire says phuket wan. what is going on here in Thailand. should it be safe to have holiday here

Reporting of the coroners verdict of unlawful death following the inquest into the death of Stephen Ashton, 1st of January 2013.

[carstenp]

this sad story about 2 young people killed, and right now another British man got killed in a crossfire says phuket wan. what is going on here in Thailand. should it be safe to have holiday here

Reporting of the coroners verdict of unlawful death following the inquest into the death of Stephen Ashton, 1st of January 2013.

maybe i was a little fast on the keyboard

[Mitker]

Burn down the hut ofcourse!! And sell her 2 remaining sons to ISIS!!

Some posters on here take themselves way too seriously. Living their petty lives, join an internetforum and suddenly they become someone!! Relax guys, this is just a game.

I know 2 boys who right now don't feel it like "just a game"

At all

[seahorse]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29638717

It's quite obvious now from this report that British attitudes are hardening against the Thai police and government.

Jdinasia, you make me sick. At first I thought that you were impartial and merely trying to find out who did this but now it's obvious that there is something seriously wrong with you.

[balo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29638717

It's quite obvious now from this report that British attitudes are hardening against the Thai police and government.

Jdinasia, you make me sick. At first I thought that you were impartial and merely trying to find out who did this but now it's obvious that there is something seriously wrong with you.

Why ? Because not everyone agrees with the majority of the posters on Thaivisa ?

You'll be surprised how many members in here that maybe look at this from another angle without taking side with anyone. If we can learn more about the background of the two "scapegoats" from Myanmar it will be a lot easier to find the real killers, if they go clear.

[denkiblue555]

As mentioned, the TV forum comments are becoming less and less relevant, thank goodness the international media is following this one:

And the petition now stands at 91,912.

[Tokay]

If he recant's. he is dead.

Several other papers have stated that they both recanted.

Followed by the prison chief saying he fears both boys will commit suicide in prison.

[ScubaPhuket]

Exactly. Why would the police brutality & threats stop now when the game has raised it's stakes.

There's a widespread saying amongst thais... 'Foreigner know too much' & they refer to long term ex-pats as 'turtles' or 'tao' sadly enough. Exactly what their perception of the nature of a turtle is escapes me & doesn't really interest me.

Roughly deciphered this means that anybody with a reasonable level of intelligence who has spent enough time in thailand & perhaps learned enough thai to be able to listen to them while they sit next to you & insult you in thai is no longer welcome in the country.

They much prefer stupid foreigners who throw houses, cars & money at them without question then leave quietly when they're told to leave, unless of course they're very poor thais & are happy to feed off your western pension until you die, at which point, if you were stupid enough to marry one of them they have further claims on your estate. There are thai solicitors who specialise in recovery of international estates. I am generalising of course but anybody who believes that thailand's wealth isn't what it is today because of this nationwide scam is a fool.

Every foreigner here knows this tbh & if they refer to you as 'Farang jai dee' or 'Foreigner good heart" than you know for sure that you're one of the stupid ones.

Edited October 16, 2014 by ScubaPhuket

[greenchair]

What will todaY bring??

[jdinasia]

If he recant's. he is dead.

Several other papers have stated that they both recanted.

Followed by the prison chief saying he fears both boys will commit suicide in prison.

Which put the onus on the prison to prevent that.

[Chupup]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

That doesn`t answer my point, I`ll stop answering you at this point as you are definetley a troll.

Well it finally got through, took a fair while though

[Fred Flinstone]

Everyone knows exactly who did it, and his fathers links to Suthep and Prayuth. These Burmese kids are innocent. The generals refusal to cooperate with the British authorities means he is now complicit in this miscarriage of justice.

This isn`t going to go away and Thailands reputation is going to get dragged through the mud yet further, all in the name of a patronage system that needs to end.

You are correct-

Thailand has the ability to allow UK forensic Teams exam DNA and access the accused and thus confirm their Guilt, and then in the eyes of the world clear up any questions and doubts.

Its after all a massive risk not to do so - when tourism numbers are plummeting (far greater than revealed)

A worsening down turn will mean not just the 10% GDP that tourism brings in will be eaten out -

But the Transport businesses, Food , produce , investment , and consumer markets-

Westerners are important.

So why not clear the air.?

And the massive suspicion surrounding the case?

Its very reputation is on the line?

Surely it won't execute innocent men?

Why not proof beyond reasonable doubt their guilt?

Simple answer is ""THEY CANT''

They can't because unfortunately the unthinkable is true.

These men are the sacrificial lambs-

And the sheer horror of a marshal law state executing them will not just inflame the Burmese .*(And its other immediate neighbours )

It will horrify no end the west.

This will be equal to or worse than the murders committed by still free people.

A sickening cover up and snub that will begin Thailand's decent into true Darkness

[Artisi]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

Yes and no. There is a mountain of evidence... and its concealment implies it involves someone important. This view is shared albeit circumstantially in some cases, and less circumstantial in others. So your opinion and your avatar are at odds...

What passes for evidence where you come from? Actual evidence or Internet speculation?

Is Internet speculation anything like police speculation or is that a very different type of guess work?

[Fred Flinstone]

Exactly. Why would the police brutality & threats stop now when the game has raised it's stakes.

There's a widespread saying amongst thais... 'Foreigner know too much' & they refer to long term ex-pats as 'turtles' or 'tao' sadly enough. Exactly what their perception of the nature of a turtle is escapes me & doesn't really interest me.

Roughly deciphered this means that anybody with a reasonable level of intelligence who has spent enough time in thailand & perhaps learned enough thai to be able to listen to them while they sit next to you & insult you in thai is no longer welcome in the country.

They much prefer stupid foreigners who throw houses, cars & money at them without question then leave quietly when they're told to leave, unless of course they're very poor thais & are happy to feed off your western pension until you die, at which point, if you were stupid enough to marry one of them they have further claims on your estate. There are thai solicitors who specialise in recovery of international estates. I am generalising of course but anybody who believes that thailand's wealth isn't what it is today because of this nationwide scam is a fool.

Every foreigner here knows this tbh & if they refer to you as 'Farang jai dee' or 'Foreigner good heart" than you know for sure that you're one of the stupid ones.

Yep thats a pretty accurate summary -

[jdinasia]

Tully... If everyone knows there would be actual evidence. What seems accurate is that everyone wants it to be someone "important"

Yes and no. There is a mountain of evidence... and its concealment implies it involves someone important. This view is shared albeit circumstantially in some cases, and less circumstantial in others. So your opinion and your avatar are at odds...

What passes for evidence where you come from? Actual evidence or Internet speculation?

Is Internet speculation anything like police speculation or is that a very different type of guess work?

Extremely different. While it may start the same. Police look at actual evidence then create a theory of the crime. They may have to discard this theory and create a new one.

Eventually they have a theory that matches the evidence and submit it to the prosecution.

[SteveFong]

Isn't this the guy who was "allegedly" not on the island that night?

looks like a dead ringer to me

[IslandLover]

phuketandsee, on 16 Oct 2014 - 16:04, said:

Here's a suggestion to reduce the clutter on all these threads. Can we agree to just ignore jdinasia. johnthailandjohn et al. Let them speak freely of course as they will undoubtedly keep defending the "authorities" in this appalling case no matter how many holes are revealed and blunders and ridiculous statements made. But is it really necessary to respond to them in every instance?

I'm beginning to think that the above-mentioned persons are the editor of the Phuketwan in disguise. Said editor slaps down every commenter in exactly the same way/tone - strange that ....

[inutil]

I highly doubt it given that he lives in Chiang Rai. Wouldnt you need someone living in Phuket to know whats going on in Phuket?

[hiller]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

That doesn`t answer my point, I`ll stop answering you at this point as you are definetley a troll.

Tully, I'll bet you claim to be close personal friend of the KT Mafia and you carry in your wallet a get out of jail free card or a least that is what you tell all your bar buddies.

Edited October 17, 2014 by hiller

[allan michaud]

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I hope all concerned in setting these two guys up are happy with themselves. I am sure they are at the temple giving merit as we speak. Karma will see through you and come back and hit you hard, you are as evil as the real purpotators of this hideous, violent crime.

It would be nice to think karma exists but it doesn't and scum like the police and the murderers they are saving are probably laughing right now.

[hiller]

About a month ago the RTP were actually requesting help from abroad - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/20/thai-police-koh-tao-fbi-british-backpacker-murders

This never was allowed to happen and instead within days 2 kids were framed for it.

Now the UK is offering what the RTP requested a month ago and the General tells them to p1ss off!? Do none of you nay sayers think that it odd?

No

not odd at all. 3 days after they announced that arrests would be made. They were made. DNA results back. Case to be sent to prosecution.

How hard can it be. Thailand's star qualified DNA specialist said the testers were not qualified!

RTP DNA testing kit being checked and re calibrated.

[richusa]

If that was one of my relatives.......THERE WOULD BE NO KO TAO.

[Eliot Rosewater]

If he recant's. he is dead.

If he doesn't he is too; or if he gets life; if I were him I'd rather die then get a life sentence in a Thai prison (especially as a Burmese)