Fat Haggis Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I think the Thai authorities have a hell of a lot more worries about a few gobby farangs, and you can rest assured anyone deported for having a different view of how things are on the ground, is going to exploit his deportation with the media And a cardinal rule is " always listen to the man on the ground ". Just think of the negative press that will come in by the bucket loads when " Joe blogs " is escorted to swampy in handcuffs after getting a wee pasting in jail awaiting his flight all because he didn't think the PM was the right man or the Junta are the right people to run the country, especially if he's lived there any length if time to be able to see through " Thainess" ??? I think this " underground movement " is much bigger concern than " joe bloggs" don't you? They can't track down known criminals what makes you think they can track down a few pissed of farangs?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Two posts have been removed. One for an derogatory generalisation the other for baiting another member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robespiere Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Nothing you or I can do about the situ, but I will never stoop as low as some and remorselessly slam the authorities every day ----nothing will be gained and these are the people that will come crying if someone knocks on their door. I said before this is 1 last chance. Those that remain silent are as guilty as the criminals they watch commit the crime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Man, he really doesn't get it. Clueless. HE gets it YOU don't....................if security is strengthened all the better for local and Tourist. 5 mins ago your clan were shouting for more---now he want's for the betterment you cry it down.........so much for your agenda. Are you for real? As it is against the law for me to list what should and hasn't been done, could you just list 6 things that have been achieved so I can enlighten myself and fall back into the fold?? Quote "it's against the law for you to list what should and hasn't been done" That is the end of the conversation---this post is a lie and ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Nothing you or I can do about the situ, but I will never stoop as low as some and remorselessly slam the authorities every day ----nothing will be gained and these are the people that will come crying if someone knocks on their door. I said before this is 1 last chance. Those that remain silent are as guilty as the criminals they watch commit the crime. Well you guys are always saying we have to not say anything or the army will lock you up---OTT I am not silent and going along with the flow-right or wrong---I will take my chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred victims for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way? I do well remember, but we cannot possibly see a complete reversal, in a few months - again every government has a big say in what's happening, and who has been the main party for so long ?? The military! No out of the last 13 years look it up----Thaksin--and thrown out each time due to ??????? Since Thailand changed to a Constitutional Democracy, 82 years ago, the military have been ruling the country for just over 47 years in total, civilian governments, just 35 years and that's not including this latest effort....................... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Thailand) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I think the Thai authorities have a hell of a lot more worries about a few gobby farangs, and you can rest assured anyone deported for having a different view of how things are on the ground, is going to exploit his deportation with the media And a cardinal rule is " always listen to the man on the ground ". Just think of the negative press that will come in by the bucket loads when " Joe blogs " is escorted to swampy in handcuffs after getting a wee pasting in jail awaiting his flight all because he didn't think the PM was the right man or the Junta are the right people to run the country, especially if he's lived there any length if time to be able to see through " Thainess" ??? I think this " underground movement " is much bigger concern than " joe bloggs" don't you? They can't track down known criminals what makes you think they can track down a few pissed of farangs?? Correct---a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 No out of the last 13 years look it up----Thaksin--and thrown out each time due to ??????? Since Thailand changed to a Constitutional Democracy, 82 years ago, the military have been ruling the country for just over 47 years in total, civilian governments, just 35 years and that's not including this latest effort....................... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Thailand) And your point is ---they should not be in control yes ??? My point -re my post is I wonder why ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Man, he really doesn't get it. Clueless. HE gets it YOU don't....................if security is strengthened all the better for local and Tourist. 5 mins ago your clan were shouting for more---now he want's for the betterment you cry it down.........so much for your agenda. Are you for real? As it is against the law for me to list what should and hasn't been done, could you just list 6 things that have been achieved so I can enlighten myself and fall back into the fold?? Quote "it's against the law for you to list what should and hasn't been done" That is the end of the conversation---this post is a lie and ridiculous. So you can't list 6 positive things that have been achieved. As for it is against the law, well just read the TVF warnings about what can and can not be posted, that's enough for me and I guess counts as number 1..... Go ahead, don't be shy give us 6 positives, you may sway myself and others to your point of view that democracy doesn't work or is wrong, oops that's number 2.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I think the Thai authorities have a hell of a lot more worries about a few gobby farangs, and you can rest assured anyone deported for having a different view of how things are on the ground, is going to exploit his deportation with the media And a cardinal rule is " always listen to the man on the ground ". Just think of the negative press that will come in by the bucket loads when " Joe blogs " is escorted to swampy in handcuffs after getting a wee pasting in jail awaiting his flight all because he didn't think the PM was the right man or the Junta are the right people to run the country, especially if he's lived there any length if time to be able to see through " Thainess" ??? I think this " underground movement " is much bigger concern than " joe bloggs" don't you? They can't track down known criminals what makes you think they can track down a few pissed of farangs?? Correct---a few. There's more than a few Thais though and they're known to the authorities, but the PM needs to be smarter than they are, a simple " bring it on challenge" face me in the polls in 12 months time and we'll see who's the peoples champion" Somehow I can't see that happening can you? The haters will always hate, and they can see your staunch defence and admiration for the man, personally he's not my role model, there's more people I daily more deserving in admiration and respect. But each to their own 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See the bears Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 HE gets it YOU don't....................if security is strengthened all the better for local and Tourist. 5 mins ago your clan were shouting for more---now he want's for the betterment you cry it down.........so much for your agenda. Are you for real? As it is against the law for me to list what should and hasn't been done, could you just list 6 things that have been achieved so I can enlighten myself and fall back into the fold?? Quote "it's against the law for you to list what should and hasn't been done" That is the end of the conversation---this post is a lie and ridiculous. So you can't list 6 positive things that have been achieved. As for it is against the law, well just read the TVF warnings about what can and can not be posted, that's enough for me and I guess counts as number 1..... Go ahead, don't be shy give us 6 positives, you may sway myself and others to your point of view that democracy doesn't work or is wrong, oops that's number 2.... He must be getting close to cleaning up 6 beaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namdocmai Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Dear general, this one is for you. Today i took the riverboat to Asiatique market. While we waited 30 min. for the boat at the pier i read on the billboard that we should call in case of anything dangerous like no lifejackets on board or overloaded boats. The boat came, was loaded untill the limit, nobody fitted in no more. Is that what you call overloaded? For me it is!. There were only (very crappy) lifevests under the seats, NONE of the standing passengers had a lifevest. I didn't call the number to report this but maybe next time i will. Thailand still takes high risks with tourists and that's a real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigPig Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Are you for real? As it is against the law for me to list what should and hasn't been done, could you just list 6 things that have been achieved so I can enlighten myself and fall back into the fold?? Quote "it's against the law for you to list what should and hasn't been done" That is the end of the conversation---this post is a lie and ridiculous. So you can't list 6 positive things that have been achieved. As for it is against the law, well just read the TVF warnings about what can and can not be posted, that's enough for me and I guess counts as number 1..... Go ahead, don't be shy give us 6 positives, you may sway myself and others to your point of view that democracy doesn't work or is wrong, oops that's number 2.... He must be getting close to cleaning up 6 beaches. Maybe but the tuk tuks are already creeping back and the jet skis never left...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Look you stoke and poke the fire with your suicide statements. Remember the rice farmers suicides---for got that---be reasonable. in 5 months you have not noticed anything good he has done ??? then you do not want to look--shows your complete biased. good do not talk then save your hate of the PM for someone else. The last I heard here was everyone ignored him on his trip abroad, looking at Aljazeera and other news outlets he spoke to most and has agreed some decent deals. India japan middle east china Europe endless meetings------if that's ignoring him ---keep up the slagging. At the ASEM meeting, your hero was alloted 3 minutes for his speech on Thai "democracy"!! As for the Aljazeera coverage, They mainly report from Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria and Iraq, so Thailand at the moment fits the bill ! But that is history! Please inform us about how you want Thailand to go forward? Are we going to stay under military rule forever? If elections, when? One person=one vote? Wealth-distribution, how? How to deal with corruption? Promise to read your reply with an open mind! But remember only about the future from today, so no: But Thaksin........But Yingluck....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Prime Minister Gen. Prayut Chan-o-cha on Friday said that he had instructed all relevant agencies to strictly enforce the laws to ensure safety of the public and foreign tourists in the country. Isnt that what they are supposed to do as their regular jobs anyway ?The PM's order came in light of the recent reports of the killing of overseas visitors while in Thailand. Rubbish its just playing to the gallery, if he was bothered hed have ordered the locked down of KT immediately earlier without making stupid quips about bikinis More volunteers should be recruited as the police and the military may not be able to thoroughly cover all areas, said the PM. Thailand has more police than most countries similar in size its military is ranked 24 in the world just behind Vietnam and Martial Law is in force..... and the excuse is they need more ??? Nothing like blaming the tools for a bad job 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred target for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way? I Remember it that way too. Not only has the violence increased. But the biggest problem is the thai dont seem to want to prosecute crime against foreigners. Most people did not mind a bit of scamming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 There is no deterrent for crimes against tourists in Thailand the 500 baht for stabbing a tourist in Pattaya recently and /or especially the crimes committed by the police, and the tourists will eventually show this with their feet by going else ware for a safe secure holiday in Asia and only when this happens and people start to lose service jobs in the tourism industry hotels start to close down with lack of tourists etc. will anyone take notice and say we need a crackdown but a crackdown will be no good when the horse has already bolted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The General ordering stricter security measures for the Public, and Tourists really is some kind of an admission that things are not going to plan in the " happiness campaign ", and that Thailand has many social fabric issues that need addressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBerg Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Nothing you or I can do about the situ, but I will never stoop as low as some and remorselessly slam the authorities every day ----nothing will be gained and these are the people that will come crying if someone knocks on their door. I said before this is 1 last chance. Those that remain silent are as guilty as the criminals they watch commit the crime. crunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Critical comments when nothing is done. Critical comments when something is done. Experts abound with no authority, experience or training in many cases? I am not in charge and Live and Let Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred target for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way? Totally agree with that, there was an unwritten law that foreigners were left alone. However, the dynamics seemed to change at the end of the 90's and have got steadily worse since then. This, IMHO is the new generation of Thai criminals, the new disregard/disrespect of law. Couple this with the obvious abuse/misunderstanding of authority on the other side and you have a potential danger zone and targeted species for the visitor. If the boss is to be obeyed, then the increased security should not be increased stops of potential victims to ensure visitors are carrying passports in case they get lost or are on overstay, but to take it to the 'the families' and establish the status quo again. This is a realistic approach as they will never stop the crime because of the power that is there, but to reach an accord should be possible. Let them police their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanet Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's a soldier, used to commanding people. I'm sure that the criminals will obey him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Critical comments when nothing is done. Critical comments when something is done. Experts abound with no authority, experience or training in many cases? I am not in charge and Live and Let Live. Human nature at it's very bestWhen it rains it's too wet, when the sun is splitting the sky it's too hot!! Edited October 26, 2014 by Fat Haggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I think the Thai authorities have a hell of a lot more worries about a few gobby farangs, and you can rest assured anyone deported for having a different view of how things are on the ground, is going to exploit his deportation with the media And a cardinal rule is " always listen to the man on the ground ". Just think of the negative press that will come in by the bucket loads when " Joe blogs " is escorted to swampy in handcuffs after getting a wee pasting in jail awaiting his flight all because he didn't think the PM was the right man or the Junta are the right people to run the country, especially if he's lived there any length if time to be able to see through " Thainess" ??? I think this " underground movement " is much bigger concern than " joe bloggs" don't you? They can't track down known criminals what makes you think they can track down a few pissed of farangs?? Correct---a few. There's more than a few Thais though and they're known to the authorities, but the PM needs to be smarter than they are, a simple " bring it on challenge" face me in the polls in 12 months time and we'll see who's the peoples champion" Somehow I can't see that happening can you? The haters will always hate, and they can see your staunch defence and admiration for the man, personally he's not my role model, there's more people I daily more deserving in admiration and respect. But each to their own He will offer this challenge after the clean up---it is your lot who dislike the guy that have problems, and I personally look forward to seeing egg on your faces when the election results are out. What a sorry lot of losers you are. All this is for the country --not forget, not for a smuttering of TVF clan posters. And the remnants of dads army in ISSAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Look you stoke and poke the fire with your suicide statements. Remember the rice farmers suicides---for got that---be reasonable. in 5 months you have not noticed anything good he has done ??? then you do not want to look--shows your complete biased. good do not talk then save your hate of the PM for someone else. The last I heard here was everyone ignored him on his trip abroad, looking at Aljazeera and other news outlets he spoke to most and has agreed some decent deals. India japan middle east china Europe endless meetings------if that's ignoring him ---keep up the slagging. At the ASEM meeting, your hero was alloted 3 minutes for his speech on Thai "democracy"!! As for the Aljazeera coverage, They mainly report from Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria and Iraq, so Thailand at the moment fits the bill ! But that is history! Please inform us about how you want Thailand to go forward? Are we going to stay under military rule forever? If elections, when? One person=one vote? Wealth-distribution, how? How to deal with corruption? Promise to read your reply with an open mind! But remember only about the future from today, so no: But Thaksin........But Yingluck....... Your biased coverage of time and meetings are a lie---just singling out 1 item is ridiculous. You tell ME how Thailand goes forward---YES without the Shins. I do not want to debate what has been debated 1 million times---have a coffee or a few and wait for the elections without all this BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Are you for real? As it is against the law for me to list what should and hasn't been done, could you just list 6 things that have been achieved so I can enlighten myself and fall back into the fold?? Quote "it's against the law for you to list what should and hasn't been done" That is the end of the conversation---this post is a lie and ridiculous. So you can't list 6 positive things that have been achieved. As for it is against the law, well just read the TVF warnings about what can and can not be posted, that's enough for me and I guess counts as number 1..... Go ahead, don't be shy give us 6 positives, you may sway myself and others to your point of view that democracy doesn't work or is wrong, oops that's number 2.... He must be getting close to cleaning up 6 beaches. Maybe but the tuk tuks are already creeping back and the jet skis never left...... ^ more beaches then than your booted out lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpeg Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred target for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way? According to my Thai neighbour, he told me these crimes had been carried out for years, unreported. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestBitterPhuket Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Again, it's a feeble reaction. What is needed is proactive measures, such as teaching locals that it is "not cool" to commit crimes on tourists. Instead of a slap on the wrist, harsh penalties needs to be meted out and it has to be known that if you commit these crimes, you will be punished much harder than usual, because it's also a crime against Thailand's reputation and all the honest people involved in the tourist industry. Prayuth needs to change the laws or instruct the courts and police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 When I moved to Thailand about 20 years ago, it seemed like violent crimes against foreigners were less frequent than they are today. It seemed as if there was a sort of unspoken agreement that foreigners were not to be touched by violent crimes (although scams against us were not only allowed, but actively encouraged - as remains the case today). Thai criminals back then feared being punished for committing violent crimes against foreigners. Nowadays it seems to be the exact opposite: Nowadays it seems that we are the preferred target for violent crimes - with little fear of punishment. Of course this could all be just my imagination - and my aging memory. Does anybody else remember things this way? According to my Thai neighbour, he told me these crimes had been carried out for years, unreported. According to some TVF members, it's the PM fault for not putting everything back to right in 5 months. We want elections now because your to slow to clean up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He should kick out all corrupt police......Or maybe even all police and rebuild it. Safety would increase. .............. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if he kicked out ALL corrupt police.......................... he would HAVE to rebuild it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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