Thailand to 'allow' second DNA test for British murder accused

[IAMSOBAD]

Forget the DNA...it's already corrupted by the RTP.

GO TO plan B.

Water board the two Thai Mafia boys and the Head Man and get the truth.

[Khunangkaro]

Great chance that new DNA-test will confirm that sperm found at lady's body match with the two Burmese men.

This then will proof, most likely, that intercourse, with or without consent, happened.

Not murder.

[abitmiffed]

The case, if there ever was any case, is slowly collapsing!!

And to be honest, I am gloating a little!!

Me too, this is where i really think things are going to turn and the BIB will back out of the BS and save face, probably blaming the lab mix up as we don't even know who or which lab done the testing do we????

[Equalizer]

Futile, simply because the sample taken from the girl will never be found, Unless of course the British forensic experts have somehow managed to also extract the DNA from her. I do hope this is the case and they have kept it quite just to get their DNA to compare.

[rijb]

Will they need a new beating to go with the new test?

[abitmiffed]

Great chance that new DNA-test will confirm that sperm found at lady's body match with the two Burmese men.

This then will proof, most likely, that intercourse, with or without consent, happened.

Not murder.

<deleted> have you been smoking??

[HenryC]

I'm really hoping this could be the start of the face saving move on the Thai side.

I would like to think the UK police have a lot more evidence and probably witness testimony to blow this out of the water. Like all the other tourists at the bar that night.

Uk has been very slow on this and maybe for good reasons.

I hope so for the poor victims, and their families to gain some real justice.

[Equalizer]

It seems they are confident.

The British have the DNA from the victims and they will be able to compare.

Let's hope the truth comes out and stop the speculation.

I didn't know that. Are you sure the British authorities ran DNA tests on Hannah's and David's bodies when they were returned to the UK? I haven't seen that confirmed anywhere.

Well if they didn't they are just as piss poor as this lot over here.

[ebonykap]

I'm not Sherlock, but I would be surprised if there hasn't been a British undercover presence in KT for some time ("family, backpackers...."), gathering information from locals, and perhaps even doing some "interrogation of their own. Well, that's what I would do if I was in the position where I was able to do something to solve the heinous murder of my countrymen/women. I think the DNA is a smokescreen, and the real criminals/murderers/butchers are known.

Just a thought!

[Jim walker]

Ok who put the wrong name on that sample jar

[Chernsarmkhuat]

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A second test to compare with what. That is the key thing. No-one is doubting the tests. Everyone is doubting the samples which they were compared with. Where did these samples come from?

And where / who will conduct the second gathering of saliva or whatever from the two Myanmar boys, who will be present, will the media be present.

And who will be there to guarantee that it's not swapped or whatever in the laboratory?

For credibility it would be better if the officers from UK were present at every step. Will it happen? Will the UK police or the UK Gov't speak up and insist on being present? It's also an opportunity for them to try to get a clearer picture / get some (not all) answers.

Where's Khunying Porntip?

According to an article in the Bangkok Post around two weeks ago, Khunying Porntip has said the crime scene has been damaged beyond repair, they did not go into details but seems like there is nothing she can do now.

[DennisF]

I agree with many others, the DNA is so compromised and it would not be too difficult to match the second DNA test they took with the first day samples.

Thats a fear.

It is interesting, although speculation AFIIAC, that on that spacebook page there is an allegation supposedly from an RTP that he and 2 'undercover'

Brit cops discovereed Nomsod and 3 friends were the perps.

It gets weirder by the day!!

[Khunangkaro]

Great chance that new DNA-test will confirm that sperm found at lady's body match with the two Burmese men.

This then will proof, most likely, that intercourse, with or without consent, happened.

Not murder.

<deleted> have you been smoking??

My sperm never did kill anybody... Yours did?

Note: Stopped smoking years ago.

No drinking sniffing or whatever related to drugs, if that is what's in your mind.

Clear contemplation.!

[harleyclarkey]

I really hope this brings and end to all the speculation. This should be conclusive.

It seems that the unfortunate woman was raped before being brutally murdered. If so this is where the DNA sample of the perpetrator(s) will come from.

I doubt if the Myanmar guys "fluids" can be placed after the event.

I also doubt the British police will allow any sample to be analysed outside their control. Otherwise why bother?

[bartender100]

I wonder if British pathologists looked at Hannah's body in the UK before she was buried?

[robhufton]

I really hope this brings and end to all the speculation. This should be conclusive.

It seems that the unfortunate woman was raped before being brutally murdered. If so this is where the DNA sample of the perpetrator(s) will come from.

or after???

[AleG]

It seems they are confident.

The British have the DNA from the victims and they will be able to compare.

Let's hope the truth comes out and stop the speculation.

Truth and facts are completely unrelated to the speculation that's been going on, it's an emotional issue; some people have tied up their emotions to a particular scenario and anything that goes against that will be taken as a personal slight and be resisted.

You can see it right now in this thread how some people are already weaving some new conspiracies to rationalize away why a positive test (one confirming the guilt of the Burmese men) will not be accepted. Not only that, it would even be held as proof of how much deeper the conspiracy is.

[chivo]

I strongly worry that what could have happened is the myanmar guys fluids etc were planted on the victim. That would explain why police would allow the test. How would the Brit police have a way around this? In fact by pushing for second test they could be doing more damage if this is the case. The headline BRIT TEST CONFIRM MYANMAR MATCH

[DarloKnight]

I strongly worry that what could have happened is the myanmar guys fluids etc were planted on the victim. That would explain why police would allow the test. How would the Brit police have a way around this? In fact by pushing for second test they could be doing more damage if this is the case. The headline BRIT TEST CONFIRM MYANMAR MATCH

The victims body was back in UK before they were accused and before they said DNA matched.

[BritTim]

If i remember correctly then the DNA-tests were done in Singapore because thailand didn't have a lab for that.

Like many things around the DNA testing, the truth around this is very murky. Reports at the time stated that the Thai labs could only determine the sex from the DNA samples. If this was not such a serious matter, it would be fun pointing out (1) that semen samples taken from Hannah could probably be assumed to be from a male without DNA testing; and (2) that the Burmese suspects' samples would also be confirmed to be from males and thus a positive match. I really do hope that the original samples from the crime scene were tested in Singapore. If so, it would be very difficult for them to be switched later. I would trust samples sent to Singapore in the first week following the murders.

[Darbar]

"We will allow suspects to take another DNA test," Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha told reporters after a weekly cabinet meeting. "If they think that the previous tests were unfair we will conduct a second test."

Doesn't he get it? No one trusts or wants 'them' to do a second test...

We've already seen that the 2 accused did not match initial DNA tests, and then somehow then DID match a few weeks later.

Either way you look at it.. they either <deleted> up the first test, or the second test which apparently 'confirmed' the two accused as the murders.

They have already proven to the world that they are incapable of doing DNA tests correctly, so why would a THIRD test from the same corrupt system help?

How about this for an idea.. Let Scotland Yard do the DNA tests, as they not only know what they are doing, but can be trusted as they have no vested interest in Thailand's tourism numbers.

[Tanlic]

These tests if conducted properly would show up any tampering. You simply can't remove all the DNA without destroying the subject.

If the test show up the same result it will put a lot of people's minds at rest that these two are the guilty party

BUT if they did 100 tests it would't convince the Thaibashers on here, who should be congratulated for being the biggest bunch of sweetie wives on the planet

[JOC]

I really hope this brings and end to all the speculation. This should be conclusive.

It seems that the unfortunate woman was raped before being brutally murdered. If so this is where the DNA sample of the perpetrator(s) will come from.

I doubt if the Myanmar guys "fluids" can be placed after the event.

I also doubt the British police will allow any sample to be analysed outside their control. Otherwise why bother?

Allow me a stupid question!!

Would there any difference in the DNA tested from fluids, skin or hair??

What I mean is, would it be possible to get a DNA swab from the suspects saliver and claim it was retrived from the sperm found in the victim??

[BritTim]

Forget the DNA...it's already corrupted by the RTP.

GO TO plan B.

Water board the two Thai Mafia boys and the Head Man and get the truth.

Ummm ... I do not believe the two Burmese kids are guilty, but how would torturing confessions out of others help?

[JOC]

From the bangkokpost...

"The general claimed British officers had said Thai authorities had done better than they expected and that the investigation had been carried out the same way they would have done it, because both British and Thai police studied from the "same textbooks."

lol

I wish the PM would let people speak for themselves...

A majority of Thai voters would agree with you!!

[slipperx]

A second test to compare with what. That is the key thing. No-one is doubting the tests. Everyone is doubting the samples which they were compared with. Where did these samples come from?

Yes compared with DNA they took from the same guys and then swapped and carried out by the Thai laboratory again or separate independent tests from samples taken from the deceased. The issue is whether DNA could have been planted on the deceased before the bodies were released. I do not trust the police story at all not anyone involved with it - I am not saying the police are necessarily corrupt or wrong just that there is no confidence in the investigation at all from anyone at all.

[TTom911]

A second test to compare with what. That is the key thing. No-one is doubting the tests. Everyone is doubting the samples which they were compared with. Where did these samples come from?

Exactly. This is meaningless without a supervised retest of the original DNA sample that was verifiably taken from the victim. Hopefully the UK police will request this, otherwise it's merely a publicity stunt.

What's at issue here is not any individual test, but the exact matching of any possible suspect DNA with the post-mortem samples from the victim. It's the match that is critical.

But they have already announced there was a match, so you have to wonder what is going on.

Typically ( with undegraded uncompromised DNA samples) a DNA fingerprint involving 10 markers (as done in the UK) is declared a match with an estimated probability of 1 to 50 million to one in a billion of being from someone other than the suspect. With the US marker set (13 markers), a matching profile would typically involve probabilities of tens of billions to trillions to one (that is, for the matching DNA to be from someone other than the suspect, you would have to test a population greater than that of the earth for the same profile to come up by chance).

Even if the DNA samples are badly degraded or a difficult mixture, a report always contains the estimated probability of the match occurring by chance to a person other than the suspect.

Just from the apparent uncertainty of the prosecution, it is difficult to believe they have credible DNA evidence at this stage...

"Just from the apparent uncertainty of the prosecution, it is difficult to believe they have credible DNA evidence at this stage..."

Yes, that has to be the obvious conclusion, based on common sense... Seems even the prosecutors are not buying (yet?) what was publicly labeled as "solved and done with"...

"BIZARRE" is the most friendly term I can come up with....

[xygote]

Oh they're going to allow them to test them again? Does this mean they are going to allow the most likely real murderers to refuse to give their DNA again as well? What's the point of doing the same test on the same people again?

I would have thought that this was obvious!

They were apparently cleared in the first round of testing, their DNA supposedly "matched" in the second round so.......

it seems that they are trying for a "best of three" result.

Would be cheaper and quicker to do Rock, Scissors, Paper though, and probably more reliable.

Edited October 29, 2014 by xygote

[OPG]

Many posters here seem to have short term memory issues as many questions are being laid out on the UK's allowed observance of this case. To clarify this issue for the short-term memory posters, the UK is here to observe only; that "means" yes, they will "observe" the 2nd DNA test.

I'm certain that comparisons will be done to the samples collected in the UK from David and Hannah, but who knows what will come of this. If the Thai Govt has approved the 2nd DNA test, they must be putting out smoke and mirrors for a tremendous magic show and hope that they can trick the UK members who are observing in Thailand to believe that these two migrants are in fact the guilty party to this horrible crime.

Let's hope that the Thai Govt has finally realized that they cannot hide this any longer, and the outcome leads to the actual truth (they are using scapegoats) and to massive changes in the Police force and a major crackdown on local Mafia.

[Bender]

this country is only full of crooks...