webfact Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 China to build dual-track railwayThe NationBANGKOK: -- China has agreed in principle to build a dual-track railway linking Laos to Nong Khai and Bangkok, a source revealed yesterday.The agreement was reached when Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan met with Chinese Defence Minister Chang Wanquan in Beijing yesterday.Prawit, Deputy Foreign Minister Don Pramudwinai and the junta's special envoy Somkid Jatusripitak were visiting China to introduce themselves.They also met Chinese state councillor Wang Yong during the visit.Under the agreement, China will build a new standard gauge (1.435 metre) double-track railway line. The new track is broader than the single-track currently used in Thailand.Beijing has agreed to a barter transaction besides offering a soft loan for the project, according to the source who accompanied the Thai delegation.Thailand would repay the investment cost to China with exports of rice and rubber, while the soft loan would be repaid as per the terms, he said.The agreement would be confirmed officially when Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha visits China in November for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Summit, the source said.Meanwhile, in a separate deal, China has agreed to buy 1.7 million tonnes of new rice and 1 million tonnes of old rice.Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/China-to-build-dual-track-railway-30246567.html-- The Nation 2014-10-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chainarong Posted October 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2014 One hopes that they do a better job than the ones they constructed in China, they creamed off concrete sleeper design , steel content in the rails , sub-standard signals , no lightning conductors rods on any of the system , inexperienced Drivers (8 Hrs in a simulator) sub -standard locomotive drive wheels ( Cracks developed on the drive axles), falsifying the NDT test on drive axles,( not the correct steel content) no manual exits controls for passenger in lightning strikes, that's just some of the 1600 safety audit found wrong with the Chinese rail system, all recorded and available, one of the auditors was ABB who were horrified that drivers only did 8hrs simulator going from 70 kph narrow gage to 350 kph , high speed, it takes German Drivers 5 years, 50 Rail executives are now doing life for corruption 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob12345 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hope they will disclose the details of the deal at some point, because a barter transaction sounds a bit like a creative way to hide the small print from the public (each side can claim they get a good deal, but only the negotiators are getting better from it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatawonderfulday Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 One hopes that they do a better job than the ones they constructed in China, they creamed off concrete sleeper design , steel content in the rails , sub-standard signals , no lightning conductors rods on any of the system , inexperienced Drivers (8 Hrs in a simulator) sub -standard locomotive drive wheels ( Cracks developed on the drive axles), falsifying the NDT test on drive axles,( not the correct steel content) no manual exits controls for passenger in lightning strikes, that's just some of the 1600 safety audit found wrong with the Chinese rail system, all recorded and available, one of the auditors was ABB who were horrified that drivers only did 8hrs simulator going from 70 kph narrow gage to 350 kph , high speed, it takes German Drivers 5 years, 50 Rail executives are now doing life for corruption Well with that record then it should work well for government cronies and SRT officials to maintain the same level of ethics and transparency !! On another note improved infrastructure generally opens up areas for development opportunity and although this rail link may provide good links for Chinese products into Thailand, hopefully the areas round Khon Kean to Nong Khai will open up much more for lower cost industrial development then currently exists. What happens is industry generally looks for these low cost areas to build and produce their products where transport links are best so hopefully the North East may finally benefit from infrastructure development such as this real railway link as opposed to the Mickey Mouse toy-town system of 1 mtr gauge that currently exists. Although that will be tempered of course by the General and his puppet master's desire to revert to the feudal system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 One hopes that they do a better job than the ones they constructed in China, they creamed off concrete sleeper design , steel content in the rails , sub-standard signals , no lightning conductors rods on any of the system , inexperienced Drivers (8 Hrs in a simulator) sub -standard locomotive drive wheels ( Cracks developed on the drive axles), falsifying the NDT test on drive axles,( not the correct steel content) no manual exits controls for passenger in lightning strikes, that's just some of the 1600 safety audit found wrong with the Chinese rail system, all recorded and available, one of the auditors was ABB who were horrified that drivers only did 8hrs simulator going from 70 kph narrow gage to 350 kph , high speed, it takes German Drivers 5 years, 50 Rail executives are now doing life for corruption You are correct, but at least it has come to light. The hghiway from Kunming to Chiang Kong was builit to facilitate the rail link to SE Asia. China wants westward ports and is willing to pay for that access. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sad when you don't have the capability/resouces to build some railroad tracks and need to get another country to build it for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sad when you don't have the capability/resouces to build some railroad tracks and need to get another country to build it for you. Yes, but at least this way, they get rid of a heap of rice (of which they have plenty) and get a nice shiny new railway in return. What could possibly go wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prism Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sad when you don't have the capability/resouces to build some railroad tracks and need to get another country to build it for you. Wondering if they'll be using Thai or Chinese labor to build it. I'm sure they'll be employing Chinese engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sad when you don't have the capability/resouces to build some railroad tracks and need to get another country to build it for you. Yes, but at least this way, they get rid of a heap of rice (of which they have plenty) and get a nice shiny new railway in return. What could possibly go wrong? If you are talking the rice in storage, remember the PM said yesterday 90% of it is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 And we don't even have to wait for a 2.2 trillion off budget loan. As long as the prices agreed for the rice and rubber are realistic and subject to world price rises over the life of the project. And that Thai industry get a chance to bid for any components that they can produce, same goes for catering and internal logistics for there needs to be cash from the project flowing back into the Thai economy. Lot of other detail as well, such as fair prices paid for land needed and who will pay for said land. Is that part of the project cost or is the land supposed to be provided by Thailand ? Brilliantly thought out terms and conditions. That gets rid of the excess rubber, low quality rice and the Silom street vendors vendors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmann Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 WHY not get Japan or France to build it ,been reading about this for how many years ,maybe dead before this is running and i am only one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assurancetourix Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sad when you don't have the capability/resouces to build some railroad tracks and need to get another country to build it for you. Wondering if they'll be using Thai or Chinese labor to build it. I'm sure they'll be employing Chinese engineers. And burma workers.... If there is a problem when building this route , generalissime Prayuth will say : " A thai cannot do such horrible thing like that " In fact , what are the manufactured things/goods made in or outside Thailand which are genuine Thai ? Toyota, Isuzu, Hino etc.. are japanese Beauty products are american or french YARA, is from Norway Coke and Pepsi are american... ...... Can u write here some genuine thai product; ? I don't want an answer like OTOP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 More Chinese workers and migrant in Thailand. Chinese colonization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidee Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 thailand will save face and about 3 trillion baht to be invested in ... some nice politicians & their croonies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) The agreement was reached when Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan met with Chinese Defence Minister Chang Wanquan In Beijing, I'd be a little concerned that the deal was struck with the guy who would be responsible for any invasions, and not the PRC guys responsible for trade or technology transfers, or commercial transportation, or tourism, or just about any other Ministry. It's not like it was a chance meeting in Paris where the Defence Minister was the only guy available. I recall the last time a foreign "defense department" built a railroad in Thailand, it didn't end well... Edited October 30, 2014 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devaram Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Useless waste of money will not benefit many Thais or tourists except Chinese tourist and will eventually be used for military invasion. Better would be Chiangmai to Bangkok and Singapore. That would have enormous usage for tourism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> One hopes that they do a better job than the ones they constructed in China, they creamed off concrete sleeper design , steel content in the rails , sub-standard signals , no lightning conductors rods on any of the system , inexperienced Drivers (8 Hrs in a simulator) sub -standard locomotive drive wheels ( Cracks developed on the drive axles), falsifying the NDT test on drive axles,( not the correct steel content) no manual exits controls for passenger in lightning strikes, that's just some of the 1600 safety audit found wrong with the Chinese rail system, all recorded and available, one of the auditors was ABB who were horrified that drivers only did 8hrs simulator going from 70 kph narrow gage to 350 kph , high speed, it takes German Drivers 5 years, 50 Rail executives are now doing life for corruption alt=coffee1.gif width=32 height=24> You are correct, but at least it has come to light. The hghiway from Kunming to Chiang Kong was builit to facilitate the rail link to SE Asia. China wants westward ports and is willing to pay for that access. ThankU one can also remark (it is out there in public domain) that because of the Chinese failures , the tenders for the H/S, LA to Frisco line , China was ask not to tender. Although this is only a duel standard gage track (not high speed) the principals are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan met with Chinese Defence Minister Chang Wanquan in Beijing yesterday. So the Chinese army will build this than? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Sad when you don't have the capability/resouces to build some railroad tracks and need to get another country to build it for you. Yes, but at least this way, they get rid of a heap of rice (of which they have plenty) and get a nice shiny new railway in return. What could possibly go wrong? If you are talking the rice in storage, remember the PM said yesterday 90% of it is bad. The PM may have had his figures backwards. The NCPO rice audit finished in July 2014 of the government stockpiles held in over 1,700 granaries nationwide concluded that about 7% (ie., almost 10%?) had poor to bad rice. Article published by The Nation. For the PM to be correct now, that 7% of the ganaries would have had to hold 100% of the rice stock and the remaining 93% of the granaries would have to be empty. But that was not the cae. It was based on the July audit findings that Gen. Prayut declared that the government would sell 500,000 tons of stored rice per month. If 90% of the rice stock was bad, there would be enough rice to meet the sales plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nbarch Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The Chinese built the TAZARA Railway in Africa to get the copper out of Zambia through Tazania. It has been a disaster from the start and proved a very expensive gift! More information on Wikipedia and there was a fascinating BBC TV program about it, if you can track it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sad when you don't have the capability/resouces to build some railroad tracks and need to get another country to build it for you. Wondering if they'll be using Thai or Chinese labor to build it. I'm sure they'll be employing Chinese engineers. And burma workers.... If there is a problem when building this route , generalissime Prayuth will say : " A thai cannot do such horrible thing like that " In fact , what are the manufactured things/goods made in or outside Thailand which are genuine Thai ? Toyota, Isuzu, Hino etc.. are japanese Beauty products are american or french YARA, is from Norway Coke and Pepsi are american... ...... Can u write here some genuine thai product; ? I don't want an answer like OTOP Red Bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Everything a done deal, without asking the locals again. No plan, no problem, Mai pen Rai, safety guarenteed.,... Total face safety guaranteed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I wonder whether the 'Made in China' stamp will be the first bit to wear away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiekho Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 look... who is the man agreed and let us see the "agenda and incentive" come along anot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonsalviz Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I hope they build it far,far away from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 get the French to build it. they know f-more than the chinese about high-speed rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 And we don't even have to wait for a 2.2 trillion off budget loan. As long as the prices agreed for the rice and rubber are realistic and subject to world price rises over the life of the project. And that Thai industry get a chance to bid for any components that they can produce, same goes for catering and internal logistics for there needs to be cash from the project flowing back into the Thai economy. Lot of other detail as well, such as fair prices paid for land needed and who will pay for said land. Is that part of the project cost or is the land supposed to be provided by Thailand ? You're not such a glass half empty person, more a glass overflowing and spilling over the table person, imo. The "soft" loan will probably cost more than just mere money, selling your soul comes to mind - and we do have to wait to find out just what those "terms" are, if they're ever announced that is. Doesn't anybody else find an agreement on a major infrastructure project being made between two Defence Ministers just a little unusual?............................. of course not, no hands under the table, no I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine and leave a bit extra when you go, ... completely above the board, both hands on the table. well, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) Everything a done deal, without asking the locals again. No plan, no problem, Mai pen Rai, safety guarenteed.,... Total face safety guaranteed... When the expropriation starts for all land needed many Thais will lose out, or will they build it parallel to the old line? Edited November 2, 2014 by HiSoLowSoNoSo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Way to early to comment on the deal, as the deal has not been published yet. But if it goes through it maybe helpful to rice farmers. 6000 baht a tonne for rice just leaves some beer money at the end of the day. So a guaranteed buyer at fair market prices would be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Everything a done deal, without asking the locals again. No plan, no problem, Mai pen Rai, safety guarenteed.,... Total face safety guaranteed... When the expropriation starts for all land needed many Thais will lose out, or will they build it parallel to the old line? The old lines go right through the centre of towns and people can virtualt touch the trains from their windows as the train goes through. I hope they definitely don't follow the old line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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