DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

[BoristheBlade]

Nomsod is No9? The truth will be revelaed soon

There are 2 videos showing what appears to be Nomsod on the island which most of us belive to be him because of his distinctive walk. The guy wearing the number 9 t-shirt should be easy to trace but the police on murder island can't do that. I wonder why. Any idea?

[Islandlife]

One suspect was arrested and the second suspect fled. There was solid evidence, including CCTV.

Turns out, the suspects are the brother and son of the Island Headman so they were let go.

Headmen and their brothers/sons don't go to jail in Thailand so they framed some poor Burmese kids.

Or as noted so many times, people have been suspects, and then been eliminated as suspects.

That is true, yes. But it is essential to remember that one of the suspects was seen at the murder scene following the discovery of the victims. Why would he be there? Why was he allowed on to the crime scene?

It reminds me of the tragic Soham murders in Cambridgeshire in 2002. Two girls aged 10 - Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman were murdered by their school caretaker - Ian Huntley - after enticing him into their home. Huntley appeared in TV interviews on Sky news and the BBC following the discovery of their bodies to speak of the shock in the local community:

One reporter suggested to Huntley that he may have been the last person to speak to the girls before they disappeared, to which Huntley replied: "Yeah, that's what it seems like."^[1] Huntley said their disappearance was "absolutely" a mystery and that "while there's no news there's still that glimmer of hope, and that's basically what we're all hanging on to."

source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders)

Huntley was convicted in 2003. 40 years minimum.

Thats becase he lives hundred meters away and hes resort next to it and got waken up by burmese cleaner . Would you take time and walk relaxed if u would wake up something like that or run to your phone or where ever to contact police wich i believe he did . This aint big city when something like this happens daily and id say 95% of police ,locals had no idea how to act . Again just me thinking not a fact.

You say you believe Mon contacted the police? Could you expand on this please?

Wild quess ,but thats where id call if would be waken up just to find 2 people dead next to my busines & property.

Pure logig i tryed use there.

[Mooner]

One suspect was arrested and the second suspect fled. There was solid evidence, including CCTV.

Turns out, the suspects are the brother and son of the Island Headman so they were let go.

Headmen and their brothers/sons don't go to jail in Thailand so they framed some poor Burmese kids.

Or as noted so many times, people have been suspects, and then been eliminated as suspects.

Nonsense! If you say you have evidence then you must have evidence. He also said there was CCTV footage proving they were there.

He didn't say maybe!

[jdinasia]

One suspect was arrested and the second suspect fled. There was solid evidence, including CCTV.

Turns out, the suspects are the brother and son of the Island Headman so they were let go.

Headmen and their brothers/sons don't go to jail in Thailand so they framed some poor Burmese kids.

Or as noted so many times, people have been suspects, and then been eliminated as suspects.

Nonsense! If you say you have evidence then you must have evidence. He also said there was CCTV footage proving they were there.

He didn't say maybe!

Oh? CCTV places one in BKK, both were cleared.

But "nonsense" is always a great rejoinder

[boomerangutang]

The guy wearing the number 9 t-shirt should be easy to trace but the police on murder island can't do that. I wonder why. Any idea?

I've posted a lot on these KT threads, and at least a dozen of my posts have been lists of things the police either haven't looked at, or looked at and decided it might implicate the Headman's people, so they scrapped it.

That should answer your Q. The reason cops have made no announcement about dozens of key items which could shed light on who committed the murders/rape, is:

>>> They haven't thought of it. Note: Thai cops are not formally trained in forensic sciences. There are no independent detectives (non corps) on the job. They're all products of Thai schools where 'thinking outside the box' is frowned upon. Even asking questions in class is frowned upon. It's rote learning, where all the students sit and face the front of the room. Plus, they're all beholden to higher-ups. In other words: any topic/item which might not please higher authorities, is not broached.

>>> They looked into it on a cursory level and decided it wasn't worthwhile, or too much effort.

>>> They looked into it on a cursory level and because it might implicate the Headman's people, they stuffed it in a waste can.

[boomerangutang]

Oh? CCTV places one in BKK, both were cleared.

But "nonsense" is always a great rejoinder

The only people who believe the CCTC in Bkk places Nomsod there on that night are either police brass or the 1% of posters on T.Visa who believe the police. And the police probably don't even believe that CCTV patch job is viable, but are duty-bound to go along with what they're told, in order to shield the Headman's people. So that leaves the 1%.

[kcirtapyelrah]

Nomsod is No9? The truth will be revelaed soon

There are 2 videos showing what appears to be Nomsod on the island which most of us belive to be him because of his distinctive walk. The guy wearing the number 9 t-shirt should be easy to trace but the police on murder island can't do that. I wonder why. Any idea?

Most of us realies that experts in the field can tell beyond doubt that it's Nom the sod, perhaps the Thai police should be looking for a New Zealand scrum half.

[mcm991]

One suspect was arrested and the second suspect fled. There was solid evidence, including CCTV.

Turns out, the suspects are the brother and son of the Island Headman so they were let go.

Headmen and their brothers/sons don't go to jail in Thailand so they framed some poor Burmese kids.

Or as noted so many times, people have been suspects, and then been eliminated as suspects.

Nonsense! If you say you have evidence then you must have evidence. He also said there was CCTV footage proving they were there.

He didn't say maybe!

Oh? CCTV places one in BKK, both were cleared.

But "nonsense" is always a great rejoinder

And here is the rub @JD......

Being cleared by the RTP has no real relationship to guilt or innocence. It means only that you have been cleared by the RTP.

You belong to the (small) camp of RTP admirers ....... who believe that the police are doing their best to find the guilty parties...... and anyone who questions the myriad of contradictions and the many unanswered issues is just chasing windmills or conspiracies.

The other camp is aware of the questionable prior behaviour of the force (in many other cases) and is just trying to look at the facts as they present themselves and to see where it all leads. Some may be dead ends..... some wrong but some may be very right too.

It is not hugely helpful on your part to keep pointing out that anything that has not come directly from HQ and not been later denied or modified is a conspiracy. You imply by this that the official statements are the only truth in this case.

By employing this strategy, you deny that any credibility issues exist in the present or past actions of the force - and history is against you. You only have to look at this weeks headlines in the Thai press to see with some clarity that the RTP are not the boy scouts you portray them to be. This makes you look naive and foolish. -or that you have other reasons for your superhuman efforts to defend the establishment.

[jdinasia]

That is not what I believe, but thanks for informing me as to what I believe!nor have I portrayed the RTP as perfect again thanks for correcting me in how I think.

(please note - absolute sarcasm is present in my gratitude)

Final edit.

I think they have the killers in custody. You are welcome to disagree but if you are using the same source that delivered us Sean' push knife theory then you have no room to talk about credibility

Edited November 27, 2014 by jdinasia

[mcm991]

That is not what I believe, but thanks for informing me as to what I believe!nor have I portrayed the RTP as perfect again thanks for correcting me in how I think.

(please note - absolute sarcasm is present in my gratitude)

OK... point taken. Apologies offered. (no sarcasm present at all)

I for one would like to know what you DO believe in this case. You have spent a great deal of time telling others what is wrong with their opinions.

How do you summarize this case so far and what is your view on the investigation and where you think it may lead?

I would appreciate hearing your reasoned beliefs in this case ... not just a quick one liner.

[catsanddogs]

One suspect was arrested and the second suspect fled. There was solid evidence, including CCTV.

Turns out, the suspects are the brother and son of the Island Headman so they were let go.

Headmen and their brothers/sons don't go to jail in Thailand so they framed some poor Burmese kids.

Or as noted so many times, people have been suspects, and then been eliminated as suspects.

That is true, yes. But it is essential to remember that one of the suspects was seen at the murder scene following the discovery of the victims. Why would he be there? Why was he allowed on to the crime scene?

It reminds me of the tragic Soham murders in Cambridgeshire in 2002. Two girls aged 10 - Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman were murdered by their school caretaker - Ian Huntley - after enticing him into their home. Huntley appeared in TV interviews on Sky news and the BBC following the discovery of their bodies to speak of the shock in the local community:

One reporter suggested to Huntley that he may have been the last person to speak to the girls before they disappeared, to which Huntley replied: "Yeah, that's what it seems like."^[1] Huntley said their disappearance was "absolutely" a mystery and that "while there's no news there's still that glimmer of hope, and that's basically what we're all hanging on to."

source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders)

Huntley was convicted in 2003. 40 years minimum.

Thats becase he lives hundred meters away and hes resort next to it and got waken up by burmese cleaner . Would you take time and walk relaxed if u would wake up something like that or run to your phone or where ever to contact police wich i believe he did . This aint big city when something like this happens daily and id say 95% of police ,locals had no idea how to act . Again just me thinking not a fact.

You say you believe Mon contacted the police? Could you expand on this please?

Wild quess ,but thats where id call if would be waken up just to find 2 people dead next to my busines & property.

Pure logig i tryed use there.

A wild guess and 'pure logic' in this context are totally different and both are subjective. Wild guesses from anyone commenting on this tragedy are in insult to the victims and their families.

[mcm991]

That is not what I believe, but thanks for informing me as to what I believe!nor have I portrayed the RTP as perfect again thanks for correcting me in how I think.

(please note - absolute sarcasm is present in my gratitude)

Final edit.

I think they have the killers in custody. You are welcome to disagree but if you are using the same source that delivered us Sean' push knife theory then you have no room to talk about credibility

Sorry JD... I responded before your final edit.

You are welcome to your opinion that they have the killers in custody.

I think many on this forum are obviously bothered by the many unanswered questions that are lingering.

Can you tell me why you are of this belief? Did you see the re-enactment on the beach with the 2 boys? All evidence aside..... did anything bother you about that event ? I was very alarmed at that production.

You have dedicated so much time and effort to this forum....... I'm interested to know why you have chosen this battle?

What was it for you that made you sure that these guys are the culprits?

[jdinasia]

The difference between I think and I am sure is vast!

[Mooner]

One suspect was arrested and the second suspect fled. There was solid evidence, including CCTV.

Turns out, the suspects are the brother and son of the Island Headman so they were let go.

Headmen and their brothers/sons don't go to jail in Thailand so they framed some poor Burmese kids.

Or as noted so many times, people have been suspects, and then been eliminated as suspects.

Nonsense! If you say you have evidence then you must have evidence. He also said there was CCTV footage proving they were there.

He didn't say maybe!

Oh? CCTV places one in BKK, both were cleared.

But "nonsense" is always a great rejoinder

Cctv proves one was there at 1.30 one day and 9.30 the day after.

Are you saying a RTP commander doesn't know what evidence is? .

FYI he didn't just say CCTV. He said they have evidence to implicate them in the murder.

U seem to only support police statements after the RTP arrested the B2. Seems their case isn't so strong with the prosecution knowing how paper thin it is.

They can't risk their own credibility try to support this case.

[mcm991]

The difference between I think and I am sure is vast!

Ok. You are correct.

What is it or what was it that made you think that the 2 Burmese guys are the guilty culprits ?

[jdinasia]

They said many things before and after. What was the other evidence?

You cherry pick which statements from the police to believe and which to reject.

[uty6543]

The difference between I think and I am sure is vast!

That would depend on how much evidence there is to study. The credibility of those collecting the witness statements. The qualifications of the people and the procedures used to obtain and maintain the physical evidence.

[Mooner]

They said many things before and after. What was the other evidence?

You cherry pick which statements from the police to believe and which to reject.

Guess we're both guilty of that. I only listened when they said they had evidence and proof. Something that seems to be lacking with the B2.

[simonuk]

Personally I can't trust the RTP. They simply have to much previous.

I'm looking at what's been said and done and what's not been said and done and building my own picture of events.

It's too convenient to fit up Burmese. It's too damaging to convict thais for this crime.

Edited November 27, 2014 by simonuk

[jdinasia]

They said many things before and after. What was the other evidence?

You cherry pick which statements from the police to believe and which to reject.

Guess we're both guilty of that. I only listened when they said they had evidence and proof. Something that seems to be lacking with the B2.

Nope they made stronger statements about the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers

[mcm991]

They said many things before and after. What was the other evidence?

You cherry pick which statements from the police to believe and which to reject.

Considering how much time and effort you put into this forum, I was hoping you would be willing to contribute more than one line describing why you think the 2 Burmese are guilty.

This is an internet forum, not of a court of law and the exchange of opinions and ideas is what it is all about.

Your prose is elegant enough in the critisism of others yet you consistantly fail to make any case to support your opinion (which you are welcome to have, btw).

Telling others that they are wrong does not necessarily make you right.

Can you elaborate please on what they said before and after that made you think that they are the guilty parties?

Are you able to expand on your statement about the other evidence or the lack of it. Are you suggesting that there is other evidence to support their guilt? Or are you saying that the lack of other evidence supports your opinion that they are the guilty parties?

[thailandchilli]

They said many things before and after. What was the other evidence?

You cherry pick which statements from the police to believe and which to reject.

Guess we're both guilty of that. I only listened when they said they had evidence and proof. Something that seems to be lacking with the B2.

Nope they made stronger statements about the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers

Jdinasia, I have to say your statement is absolutely correct

“It was obvious from the method of the killing that it was done by Burmese,” the Thai policeman who led the investigation told me. “Because they are very brutal people. Local people are very friendly.”

May be the first time we agree on a matter in this case

[jdinasia]

I was thinking DNA, presence on the same beach at the same time, etc

The "Thai people could not do it " is as stupid as the 2 Burmese men are too small to have done it.

[thailandchilli]

I was thinking DNA, presence on the same beach at the same time, etc

The "Thai people could not do it " is as stupid as the 2 Burmese men are too small to have done it.

Hence why everybody cherry picks including you

[jdinasia]

I was thinking DNA, presence on the same beach at the same time, etc

The "Thai people could not do it " is as stupid as the 2 Burmese men are too small to have done it.

Hence why everybody cherry picks including you

No.

I am working from the most recent reports from the investigation. Rather than cherry picking the stuff from ages ago.

[thailandchilli]

I was thinking DNA, presence on the same beach at the same time, etc

The "Thai people could not do it " is as stupid as the 2 Burmese men are too small to have done it.

Hence why everybody cherry picks including you

No.

I am working from the most recent reports from the investigation. Rather than cherry picking the stuff from ages ago.

The quote I made was from this week, in the Times

[jdinasia]

Recent quote or a rehash of older articles?

[thailandchilli]

Recent quote or a rehash of older articles?

From a reporter from the Times who is currently in Koh Tao, the quote is from this week. About as recent as you can get.

Edited November 28, 2014 by thailandchilli

[IslandLover]

thailandchilli, on 28 Nov 2014 - 03:05, said:

jdinasia, on 28 Nov 2014 - 03:02, said:

Recent quote or a rehash of older articles?

No from a reporter from the Times who is currently in Koh Tao, the quote is from this week. About as recent as you can get.

The article from The Times is dated 22nd November 2014.

[boomerangutang]

They said many things before and after. What was the other evidence?

You cherry pick which statements from the police to believe and which to reject.

Like you 'cherry pick' statements by Sean, deciding which to believe, and which are lies:

>>> Sean said Mon and his cop friend threatened him (within hours of the crime) with a death threat; "you should go to your room and hang yourself, or someone will do it for you"

>>> Sean said David was a hero that fateful night, by sacrificing his life to try and save Hannah.

Those two above references would likely be construed as untrue by JD and investigating cops. If either were deemed true, cops should be very interested in detaining Sean as a witness. Instead, Cops eased Sean's quick exit out of Thailand and (as far as we know) didn't even interview him prior.

>>> Sean said he wasn't a witness.

That's the cherry-picked (and only) statement JD and cops want to believe about Sean. Why? Because it fits with the overall plan of shielding the headman's people.

Then there is the recent wound on Sean's arm which matches the shallow blade (not hoe) wounds found on David. Police don't want (and don't want us) to be concerned with that. ...and neither be concerned about blood on Sean's guitar, etc.

At the least, Sean likely has pertinent info regarding the scenario at the bar that night and insight in to the date-rape drug culture of the bar. All sorts of things the cops don't want us (or prosecutors) to think about, as it implicates the headman's people.

Just believe one sole statement Sean made ("I am not a witness") and that's sufficient for cops, JD (and the Thai justice system) to not concern themselves with anything else Sean said or did.