Cheap visa extension service ?

[hml367]

Mania,

My post was not aimed at you personally,..... That is why I said "many posters", and "many people". It is MY observation of the posts on this thread in general.

[mania]

Mania,

My post was not aimed at you personally,..... That is why I said "many posters", and "many people". It is MY observation of the posts on this thread in general.

Sorry my bad

Also as I said I have used a service in the past for 90 day reports.

So I did not mean to dis a service. Just have thought that recently what

a person gets for many different service is much reduced. Or not what it use to be

[NancyL]

If there was a big jobbie blocked in your bog would you stick your hand down there or phone a plumber?

I'd hand the toilet plunger to my husband.

[mania]

If there was a big jobbie blocked in your bog would you stick your hand down there or phone a plumber?

I think that of course if something is a complicated problem a Pro

can be called in to help.

But I think what many question is.........& using your example..........

You phone the number pay the fee & they come hold your free hand

while you still need to put your other hand down the bog

[cheeryble]

If there was a big jobbie blocked in your bog would you stick your hand down there or phone a plumber?

I think that of course if something is a complicated problem a Pro

can be called in to help.

But I think what many question is.........& using your example..........

You phone the number pay the fee & they come hold your free hand

while you still need to put your other hand down the bog

I think you wrapped it up nicely Mania......because the point is you've still got to get all the docs together and go in to Imm. And be ready to answer questions.

Personally I pay someone 400bt to go in early and get a number for me for the afternoon, they happy I'm happy, and I get an opportunity to read a book.

I guess if 5000 baht meant nothing to me I might pay.

[northernjohn]

Mania,

My post was not aimed at you personally,..... That is why I said "many posters", and "many people". It is MY observation of the posts on this thread in general.

Sorry my bad

Also as I said I have used a service in the past for 90 day reports.

So I did not mean to dis a service. Just have thought that recently what

a person gets for many different service is much reduced. Or not what it use to be

I can understand where hm1367 is coming from as there are posters here who post like you were an idiot if you did not use a service or mail in. For myself I have responded to these people with the it is not an inconvenience to me and in fact a kind of outing. As I explained in my earlier post I can see where an agent can be an attractive option to some people. It is laid out in my earlier post. I may continue with my 90 days as I said they are an outing. At least the start for one.But now I see where immigration is asking us to mail them in. It is almost a year away for my yearly extension and to be honest I may go that route if I fail to get an on line appointment. 5:00 in the morning to begin standing in line does not appeal to me. It is expensive but I did not retire to put myself in needless uncomfortable situations. Age has a way of changing comfortable to uncomfortable. Just my experience.

[vagabond48]

There probably would be a lot less discussion about visa service if the reputable agents would stop charging western prices for a low cost Thai service. If they charged closer to 2000B, they probably would get a lot more business and still make money.

[Saan]

If you are new to the visa extension business don't worry about all the malarkey, it is simple. If you want to pay someone 5000 baht and the money means nothing to you, do it. I am retired and I have plenty of time and find the extension not all that difficult. As for the 90 day report, it would take me more time to go to the agent, having done all the paperwork, let them go to immigration, and then go back to their office to pick up my passport. What am I paying them for? Each to his own.

[onthedarkside]

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[true blue]

Why do people pay someone to do something like visa extensions, that is so easy to do yourself?

always wondered that, but i suppose if its cheap enough,and you dont like officialdom go for it

Have both of you ever done it in Chiang Mai? If so, you know the answer.

done it (extensions)8 times about 40 plus 90 days,many re entry visas, transfer visas from one passport to another,proof of address letters ect ect,and ive never been phased by it at all always found chiang mai immigration courteous and reasonable efficent.

[uptheos]

Why do people pay someone to do something like visa extensions, that is so easy to do yourself?

If, as I do, I make a personal choice to pay someone else to do my administation and thus avoid the zoo which is Immigration, is that not me making my own choice at my own expense?

I could have done my own accounts when I was in business but I chose to employ an accountant !

I'm not being critical of anyone, just courious why people would use this type of service.

I guess for the same reason people spend money on anything.....i.e. because they can and it's a personal choice.

[dave2]

re

bank manager's letters, etc, you'd still have to personally obtain those.

wrong im afriaid !

when assist thai visa did my annual extension in july they took my passbook , went to bangkok bank and got the

hes had 800 odd thousand in the bank for three months letter !

not me

dave2

picsc ... loy kratong starts tomorrow

[mesquite]

Why do people pay someone to do something like visa extensions, that is so easy to do yourself?

always wondered that, but i suppose if its cheap enough,and you dont like officialdom go for it

Have both of you ever done it in Chiang Mai? If so, you know the answer.

done it (extensions)8 times about 40 plus 90 days,many re entry visas, transfer visas from one passport to another,proof of address letters ect ect,and ive never been phased by it at all always found chiang mai immigration courteous and reasonable efficent.

Really? For the last four or five years I've found it to be a zoo like Postman Pat said. Hot, crowded, no place to sit, waiting for hours to get the visa extension/ RE permit, immigration wanting me to copy blank passport pages, tons of Burmese around the copy machine area, etc.

[Thailand]

Why do people pay someone to do something like visa extensions, that is so easy to do yourself?

always wondered that, but i suppose if its cheap enough,and you dont like officialdom go for it

Have both of you ever done it in Chiang Mai? If so, you know the answer.

done it (extensions)8 times about 40 plus 90 days,many re entry visas, transfer visas from one passport to another,proof of address letters ect ect,and ive never been phased by it at all always found chiang mai immigration courteous and reasonable efficent.

Really? For the last four or five years I've found it to be a zoo like Postman Pat said. Hot, crowded, no place to sit, waiting for hours to get the visa extension/ RE permit, immigration wanting me to copy blank passport pages, tons of Burmese around the copy machine area, etc.

Perhaps you are going to a different place to True Blue and even myself? Crowded,somewhat, but never not had a seat.

Hours,waiting, certainly not. Last time for 2 of us was well less than 2 hours, for 2 extensions,2 re-entry and 1 by 90 day report.

Copying blank pages, never.

An iPad or a book, a coffee from the shop,and a bit of planning,quite painless.

Generally courteous and efficient given the conditions the staff work under and who they have to deal with!

Unless something drastic occurs we would never pay money for something that takes so little effort.

But as always,each to his own.

[peterpop]

Slightly off topic is there an agency in Chiang Mai that advertises obtaining a retirement visa WITHOUT the requirement for cash in a local bank for 3 months. I see this advertised down south and I know someone who is quite desperate to do this. Normal fee expected would be 25000 bht.

[mania]

re

bank manager's letters, etc, you'd still have to personally obtain those.

wrong im afriaid !

when assist thai visa did my annual extension in july they took my passbook , went to bangkok bank and got the

hes had 800 odd thousand in the bank for three months letter !

not me

dave2

That is maybe a little bit scary no?

My bank requires my ID & for me to sign a form then the paper (proof of funds) is ready next day as it comes from Bangkok

That someone other than yourself can walk into a bank with your passbook & get any info at all on your account released

may be a good reason to find another bank

IMHO of course

Edit: PS: can you say which bank or PM me which bank?

I have 2 I deal with here & if it is one of them that do such I would want to close that account

Thanks

[mesquite]

Slightly off topic is there an agency in Chiang Mai that advertises obtaining a retirement visa WITHOUT the requirement for cash in a local bank for 3 months. I see this advertised down south and I know someone who is quite desperate to do this. Normal fee expected would be 25000 bht.

It doesn't sound good. I wouldn't go near such a deal.

[mesquite]

Why do people pay someone to do something like visa extensions, that is so easy to do yourself?

always wondered that, but i suppose if its cheap enough,and you dont like officialdom go for it

Have both of you ever done it in Chiang Mai? If so, you know the answer.

done it (extensions)8 times about 40 plus 90 days,many re entry visas, transfer visas from one passport to another,proof of address letters ect ect,and ive never been phased by it at all always found chiang mai immigration courteous and reasonable efficent.

Really? For the last four or five years I've found it to be a zoo like Postman Pat said. Hot, crowded, no place to sit, waiting for hours to get the visa extension/ RE permit, immigration wanting me to copy blank passport pages, tons of Burmese around the copy machine area, etc.

Perhaps you are going to a different place to True Blue and even myself? Crowded,somewhat, but never not had a seat.

Hours,waiting, certainly not. Last time for 2 of us was well less than 2 hours, for 2 extensions,2 re-entry and 1 by 90 day report.

Copying blank pages, never.

An iPad or a book, a coffee from the shop,and a bit of planning,quite painless.

Generally courteous and efficient given the conditions the staff work under and who they have to deal with!

Unless something drastic occurs we would never pay money for something that takes so little effort.

But as always,each to his own.

I do wonder if you two are going to a different place I and many people I know went to. On the way to the airport, left hand side, a ways down from Airport Plaza, lots of cars and little if any remaining parking, tons of Burmese outside, etc etc.

[Thailand]

I do wonder if you two are going to a different place I and many people I know went to. On the way to the airport, left hand side, a ways down from Airport Plaza, lots of cars and little if any remaining parking, tons of Burmese outside, etc etc.

That's the one.

Last time there in September, topped up the car with fuel at the garage almost directly opposite, parked

free of charge.

Nobody at the copier when needing to copy the new stamp for re-entries.No Myanmarans? in sight, don't they go to somewhere near the Promenada now?

[ammagic]

I actually paid for an agent to do my 1 year non o extension this year for the first time. I am not prepared to get to the immigration office at 4:30am to be able to get a number. Chiangmai immigration has become a nightmare. Until some changes are made (not holding my breath!)will do it again next year.

[Saan]

Slightly off topic is there an agency in Chiang Mai that advertises obtaining a retirement visa WITHOUT the requirement for cash in a local bank for 3 months. I see this advertised down south and I know someone who is quite desperate to do this. Normal fee expected would be 25000 bht.

Go to the champions of many people on this forum, Thai Visa Assist. I know several people who use them to obtain retirement extensions without the necessary 800,000 baht. The fee is about what you state.

[Tokay]

The cheapest way is just to do it yourself,NOT at all difficult.

regards Worgeordie

The cheapest for who, people who have absolutely nothing to do?

I can understand if you are retired, but many people here have things to do, or better things to do, than spend half of their day waiting around to get a stamp.

[FolkGuitar]

To use a Visa service or not use a Visa service is simply a matter of personal preference. Nothing more.

Let's look at a couple of issues, one at a time, regarding the use of visa agents.

1. Are you required to show up at Immigration in person?

A. Yes... and no. It's all up to the person behind the desk. If they feel something about the application is a bit wonky, they will require the applicant to show up. Otherwise, they don't. It's as simple as that. When I renewed using Assist Thai Visa, Rhys told me that I 'may' have to appear in person. But when my papers were submitted, the Imm.Officer didn't request my presence. It's NOT a rule. It's NOT a requirement. It's all up to the discretion of the person behind the desk.

2. Do you have to go to the bank yourself to get the correct bank letter?

A. No. While you certainly 'can' go yourself, and NO ONE can get access to your account data without your permission, Assist Thai Visa has you sign a "Limited Power of Attorney" form giving the bank instructions to release your data to them. It is NOT a general power of attorney. It can't be used for anything other than giving you bank permission to release data. This is no different than when you have to give a copy of your passport to a company for something and below your name you write "This copy to be used for XYZ purpose ONLY." (You DO write this, don't you?)

3. If you use an affidavit of income obtained from your consulate, is that acceptable in lieu of a bank letter?

A. Yes... and no. There are often instances where the Imm. Officer requires that you obtain letters directly from your income sources (i.e. Social Security, Military Pensions, etc.,) along with the affidavit of income. This is entirely at the discretion of the Imm. Officer.

4. Are other papers required by Immigration other than what is stated in their application list?

A. No... and yes. While not an everyday occurrence, this is entirely at the discretion of the Imm. Officer and is not unusual. To date, I have heard from several friends and acquaintances who do their own submissions and have been required to submit extra paperwork. I have never heard of anyone who uses 'Assist Thai Visa' who has been requested to provide additional information. This is purely anecdotal but often this is telling...

5. Do you have to wait hours and hours to process your paperwork?

A. Yes... and no. No one has ever gotten out of there in under an hour for a one-year visa extension. It's all up to the luck of the draw. Some days it's fast, some days it's very slow. Some people arrive at 6:30 and are out by 9:30. Others arrive at 5:30, wait for two hours and are told to come back at 2:00pm. Others arrive at 1:00pm and are told to come back the next day.

My wife likes to do her extensions by herself. I drop her off at 5:30, she's home by 9:00, but then I have to bring her back again at 1:00. She's home again by 3:00. She takes care of all her paperwork herself. She doesn't mind waiting around. She doesn't mind the multiple trips. 'Assist Thai Visa' did her first application, but then she decided to do her own the following year.

I don't want to bother. I use 'Assist Thai Visa.' I don't want to wait around. I go to the Assist Thai Visa office once to drop off my passport and sign papers, and then with luck, only need to go back again a few days later to pick up my passport. I do the same for my 90-day report. 5-10 minutes for the paper signing visit, 30 seconds there after for the rest of the year.

One of our valued TV members suggested to me (privately) that the visa obtained by AssistThaiVisa wasn't legitimate so, despite the fact that both my wife and I had been in and out of the country several times after getting our visas through the agency, suggested I have the police check our passports. Instead of the police, I went to Immigration and spoke to a Colonel there about the situation. She took our passports, turned to her computer and ran the numbers. Two minutes later she turned back to me, with a smile handed back our passports, and told me everything was in order. There is a difference between a long-established Thai-licensed business like 'Assist Thai Visa' and some travel agent/visa runner who collects passports and runs them down to his friend in Surat Thani who happens to have a stamp.

... And, as I said, to use a Visa service or not use a Visa service is simply a matter of personal preference. Nothing more.

[Thailand]

As simple as this:

Some do, some don't.

[dave2]

re

That is maybe a little bit scary no?

My bank requires my ID & for me to sign a form then the paper (proof of funds) is ready next day as it comes from Bangkok

That someone other than yourself can walk into a bank with your passbook & get any info at all on your account released

may be a good reason to find another bank

IMHO of course

Edit: PS: can you say which bank or PM me which bank?

I have 2 I deal with here & if it is one of them that do such I would want to close that account

no ... ive got six thai bank accounts and never lost or misplaced a baht in over ten years so im not worried that the assist thai visa and the bank clerk girls can see every movement on the account cos as far as i know they can do nothing with it without the atm card or pin number !

if im wrong ? ... the #### hasnt hit me yet

every account has sms allerts on it so if a baht moves anywhere day or night i know about it in seconds

re

That someone other than yourself can walk into a bank with your passbook & get any info at all on your account

assist thai visa probably have a girl whos job is to sort getting bank letters for a few customers a day and every bank girl , bank cleaner , security man of every bank within miles will know who she is , who she works for , why shes there , why she is carrying ten bank passbooks , four blue house books , two green bike books , and twenty other peoples passports so no im not bothered about who can see whats in the account but im not paranoid like some people !

she / they do their job ... i get a new years extension

assist thai visa goes to immigration for me and gets paid

everyones happy

re

PS: can you say which bank or PM me which bank?

I have 2 I deal with here & if it is one of them that do such I would want to close that account

i can ! ... here ya go .. bangkok bank wararot market branch

you carry / worry on

dave2

ps ... ive also got three english bank accounts and ive never lost a penny from one in about fourty five odd years either

[mania]

Thanks Dave.......I saw FolkGuitars post about limited power of attorney

side note...You dont like the "Quote" button located below the "Like This" button?

[mania]

Let's look at a couple of issues, one at a time, regarding the use of visa agents.

1. Are you required to show up at Immigration in person?

A. Yes... and no. It's all up to the person behind the desk. If they feel something about the application is a bit wonky, they will require the applicant to show up. Otherwise, they don't. It's as simple as that. When I renewed using Assist Thai Visa, Rhys told me that I 'may' have to appear in person. But when my papers were submitted, the Imm.Officer didn't request my presence. It's NOT a rule. It's NOT a requirement. It's all up to the discretion of the person behind the desk.

Thanks for clearing up that "Limited Power Of Attorney" to obtain bank info.

While I do not use a visa service I was curious if a bank here released your info

without one.

As to the needing to show up.

I think the yes & no relates to single retirement visa's only & not to married to a Thai

Or at least that is what Assist told us years ago when we asked bout the benefits. Perhaps different now?

But back then the man said a the Thai wife needs to be present.

On a side note this last year after having done a few already & having the initial 1st year interview of a friend who knows us

done in the back building in lieu of a visit to our home.

We were surprised this last year after having done a few years to have to go to a back room after our desk application process for some

basic marriage type questions by another senior officer.

[northernjohn]

To use a Visa service or not use a Visa service is simply a matter of personal preference. Nothing more.

Let's look at a couple of issues, one at a time, regarding the use of visa agents.

1. Are you required to show up at Immigration in person?

A. Yes... and no. It's all up to the person behind the desk. If they feel something about the application is a bit wonky, they will require the applicant to show up. Otherwise, they don't. It's as simple as that. When I renewed using Assist Thai Visa, Rhys told me that I 'may' have to appear in person. But when my papers were submitted, the Imm.Officer didn't request my presence. It's NOT a rule. It's NOT a requirement. It's all up to the discretion of the person behind the desk.

2. Do you have to go to the bank yourself to get the correct bank letter?

A. No. While you certainly 'can' go yourself, and NO ONE can get access to your account data without your permission, Assist Thai Visa has you sign a "Limited Power of Attorney" form giving the bank instructions to release your data to them. It is NOT a general power of attorney. It can't be used for anything other than giving you bank permission to release data. This is no different than when you have to give a copy of your passport to a company for something and below your name you write "This copy to be used for XYZ purpose ONLY." (You DO write this, don't you?)

3. If you use an affidavit of income obtained from your consulate, is that acceptable in lieu of a bank letter?

A. Yes... and no. There are often instances where the Imm. Officer requires that you obtain letters directly from your income sources (i.e. Social Security, Military Pensions, etc.,) along with the affidavit of income. This is entirely at the discretion of the Imm. Officer.

4. Are other papers required by Immigration other than what is stated in their application list?

A. No... and yes. While not an everyday occurrence, this is entirely at the discretion of the Imm. Officer and is not unusual. To date, I have heard from several friends and acquaintances who do their own submissions and have been required to submit extra paperwork. I have never heard of anyone who uses 'Assist Thai Visa' who has been requested to provide additional information. This is purely anecdotal but often this is telling...

5. Do you have to wait hours and hours to process your paperwork?

A. Yes... and no. No one has ever gotten out of there in under an hour for a one-year visa extension. It's all up to the luck of the draw. Some days it's fast, some days it's very slow. Some people arrive at 6:30 and are out by 9:30. Others arrive at 5:30, wait for two hours and are told to come back at 2:00pm. Others arrive at 1:00pm and are told to come back the next day.

My wife likes to do her extensions by herself. I drop her off at 5:30, she's home by 9:00, but then I have to bring her back again at 1:00. She's home again by 3:00. She takes care of all her paperwork herself. She doesn't mind waiting around. She doesn't mind the multiple trips. 'Assist Thai Visa' did her first application, but then she decided to do her own the following year.

I don't want to bother. I use 'Assist Thai Visa.' I don't want to wait around. I go to the Assist Thai Visa office once to drop off my passport and sign papers, and then with luck, only need to go back again a few days later to pick up my passport. I do the same for my 90-day report. 5-10 minutes for the paper signing visit, 30 seconds there after for the rest of the year.

One of our valued TV members suggested to me (privately) that the visa obtained by AssistThaiVisa wasn't legitimate so, despite the fact that both my wife and I had been in and out of the country several times after getting our visas through the agency, suggested I have the police check our passports. Instead of the police, I went to Immigration and spoke to a Colonel there about the situation. She took our passports, turned to her computer and ran the numbers. Two minutes later she turned back to me, with a smile handed back our passports, and told me everything was in order. There is a difference between a long-established Thai-licensed business like 'Assist Thai Visa' and some travel agent/visa runner who collects passports and runs them down to his friend in Surat Thani who happens to have a stamp.

... And, as I said, to use a Visa service or not use a Visa service is simply a matter of personal preference. Nothing more.

You mentioned

3. If you use an affidavit of income obtained from your consulate, is that acceptable in lieu of a bank letter?

A. Yes... and no. There are often instances where the Imm. Officer requires that you obtain letters directly from your income sources (i.e. Social Security, Military Pensions, etc.,) along with the affidavit of income. This is entirely at the discretion of the Imm. Officer.

I always carry my letters with me and have offered them the letters and they said not needed. I had heard a rumor a while back like a year or two ago where they were going to request them but it never came to pass for me or any one I know.

[FolkGuitar]

To use a Visa service or not use a Visa service is simply a matter of personal preference. Nothing more.

Let's look at a couple of issues, one at a time, regarding the use of visa agents.

1. Are you required to show up at Immigration in person?

A. Yes... and no. It's all up to the person behind the desk. If they feel something about the application is a bit wonky, they will require the applicant to show up. Otherwise, they don't. It's as simple as that. When I renewed using Assist Thai Visa, Rhys told me that I 'may' have to appear in person. But when my papers were submitted, the Imm.Officer didn't request my presence. It's NOT a rule. It's NOT a requirement. It's all up to the discretion of the person behind the desk.

2. Do you have to go to the bank yourself to get the correct bank letter?

A. No. While you certainly 'can' go yourself, and NO ONE can get access to your account data without your permission, Assist Thai Visa has you sign a "Limited Power of Attorney" form giving the bank instructions to release your data to them. It is NOT a general power of attorney. It can't be used for anything other than giving you bank permission to release data. This is no different than when you have to give a copy of your passport to a company for something and below your name you write "This copy to be used for XYZ purpose ONLY." (You DO write this, don't you?)

3. If you use an affidavit of income obtained from your consulate, is that acceptable in lieu of a bank letter?

A. Yes... and no. There are often instances where the Imm. Officer requires that you obtain letters directly from your income sources (i.e. Social Security, Military Pensions, etc.,) along with the affidavit of income. This is entirely at the discretion of the Imm. Officer.

4. Are other papers required by Immigration other than what is stated in their application list?

A. No... and yes. While not an everyday occurrence, this is entirely at the discretion of the Imm. Officer and is not unusual. To date, I have heard from several friends and acquaintances who do their own submissions and have been required to submit extra paperwork. I have never heard of anyone who uses 'Assist Thai Visa' who has been requested to provide additional information. This is purely anecdotal but often this is telling...

5. Do you have to wait hours and hours to process your paperwork?

A. Yes... and no. No one has ever gotten out of there in under an hour for a one-year visa extension. It's all up to the luck of the draw. Some days it's fast, some days it's very slow. Some people arrive at 6:30 and are out by 9:30. Others arrive at 5:30, wait for two hours and are told to come back at 2:00pm. Others arrive at 1:00pm and are told to come back the next day.

My wife likes to do her extensions by herself. I drop her off at 5:30, she's home by 9:00, but then I have to bring her back again at 1:00. She's home again by 3:00. She takes care of all her paperwork herself. She doesn't mind waiting around. She doesn't mind the multiple trips. 'Assist Thai Visa' did her first application, but then she decided to do her own the following year.

I don't want to bother. I use 'Assist Thai Visa.' I don't want to wait around. I go to the Assist Thai Visa office once to drop off my passport and sign papers, and then with luck, only need to go back again a few days later to pick up my passport. I do the same for my 90-day report. 5-10 minutes for the paper signing visit, 30 seconds there after for the rest of the year.

One of our valued TV members suggested to me (privately) that the visa obtained by AssistThaiVisa wasn't legitimate so, despite the fact that both my wife and I had been in and out of the country several times after getting our visas through the agency, suggested I have the police check our passports. Instead of the police, I went to Immigration and spoke to a Colonel there about the situation. She took our passports, turned to her computer and ran the numbers. Two minutes later she turned back to me, with a smile handed back our passports, and told me everything was in order. There is a difference between a long-established Thai-licensed business like 'Assist Thai Visa' and some travel agent/visa runner who collects passports and runs them down to his friend in Surat Thani who happens to have a stamp.

... And, as I said, to use a Visa service or not use a Visa service is simply a matter of personal preference. Nothing more.

You mentioned

3. If you use an affidavit of income obtained from your consulate, is that acceptable in lieu of a bank letter?

A. Yes... and no. There are often instances where the Imm. Officer requires that you obtain letters directly from your income sources (i.e. Social Security, Military Pensions, etc.,) along with the affidavit of income. This is entirely at the discretion of the Imm. Officer.

I always carry my letters with me and have offered them the letters and they said not needed. I had heard a rumor a while back like a year or two ago where they were going to request them but it never came to pass for me or any one I know.

It's not a rumor. It's a fact. But, as I said, it's entirely up to the Imm.Officer behind the desk at the time. You probably have an honest face so he doesn't ask for secondary verification. Most of the time it's not asked for. But I have talked with people who were asked to return with such letters, so the possibility exists. It really does seem that a LOT of what Immigration 'requires' might not be standard, which is why there is often so much confusion for 'some' folks, and why many of us use an agent instead.

[vagabond48]

Folkguitar "which is why there is often so much confusion for 'some' folks, and why many of us use an agent instead."

many or some of you?

Do that many people really use Visa agents?