US midterm elections: Barack Obama’s legacy could be ruined in one day

[thailiketoo]

Obama has been the worst President over the past 20-years and those who can't see it you have blinders on!

Obama has retracted his statement(s) more times than any other Presidents; i.e. Obamacare - premium costs would not go up and individual policies would not be cancelled.

Obama has increased the benefits given to the lower-class at the expense of the middle-class.

As the President and the top USG official, he micro-manages into topics that he should not. He has cabinet staff and should use them.

Obama has ruined US relations with US allies is unable to negotiate with others because it's his way or no way.

Lastly, he is arrogant as hell and will go down as the worst President of all times (even worst than Nixon-who was impeached or Clinton-who had sex in the oval office and denied it).

Nixon was not impeached that was Clinton who was impeached.

[chuckd]

"Those who insist on politicizing the tragedy will have to do so without me," Clinton wrote in her book of memoirs of her tenure as secretary of state, thus making clear she would not participate further in any GOP led Benghazi hearings."

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I'm wondering if that will be her answer to a federal subpoena to appear before Congress should she receive one.

Will she have some compelling reason why she should not appear. Executive privilege does not extend to private citizens, which she is now.

Of course she can always appear and plead the fifth amendment. It's been done recently by another female Democrat.

What's she going to do if a subpoena is issued?

[chuckd]

Lots of Fox News fans here

Why don't you point out with factual information where the posters are right or wrong as opposed to a general condemnation of their source. I for one never watch Fox because it is not on Truevisions , I'm a BBC man all the way.

That's all many of them have. Attacking Fox thinking, somehow, it makes them look cool and up to date.

Like you, I don't get Fox and haven't watched a newscast in nearly six years. I'll sometimes look things up on the internet but that's about it.

I watch CNN International because I, too, have Truevisions and really don't like BBC.

[chuckd]

Hawker ... what the Hillary sycophants are not taking into account. Is now there will be Senate panel investigations of the events surrounding the Benghazi fiasco. With sworn testimony required. There will IMO be a smoking gun show up and of course wide spread publicity in the coming year about the awful event. Plus how it was mishandled and covered up. obama / Hillary supporters should remember Nixon was pushed out of office for the cover up - not the actual break in .. Same with Benghazi.

From the input from many hundreds of people in on line venues, the Benghazi incident and the cover up is what shook them out of political complacency into political activism.

When one is an obama / Hillary supporter the only things they hear and pay attention to are what their like minded friends and on line discussion venues say - which are just echo chambers of what they wish to hear. Thus the surprise in mid terms as to the huge magnitude of opposition to the current regime.. Cloistering ones news events to those that please you only brings on naivety.

The American public is extremely aroused about ridding the country of the Leftist - Socialist leaning leadership and are not going to forget what we consider six years of misery.

For the obama / Hillary supporters who think it was just a bunch of angry old white men that voted - good - keep thinking that...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773873-us-midterm-elections-barack-obamas-legacy-could-be-ruined-in-one-day/page-11#entry8639000

It is fact that in five of the last six presidential elections the Democrat got more votes than the Republican did and that the Republican party will try or do anything short of murder to halt this increasing trend in 2016, and that the R party will again fail.

It is understandable that as we post several daze after the election Republicans and other white bread are as filled with helium as Ted Cruz's voice while the R's in and outside of the US look like Charlie Brown with his feet dancing while they are suspended off the ground..

The past six Republican party nominees for president have indeed been Charlie Brown because they invariably ended up on their <deleted> as Lucy every time has pulled the football out from under and in front of each one of them.

The present clown car of the R party half-dozen perspirants for the presidency are already jabbing, poking, slapping one another so things just aren't going to get any better for the party of fratricide and cheerful intransigence.

You really need to get some new material. Watch some Bill Maher and Jon Stewart.

They have better writers.

Posting the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it witty.

It merely makes it monotonous.

[up-country_sinclair]

The complete list of two term presidents during my lifetime:

Ronald Reagan

Bill Clinton

George W. Bush

Barack Obama

What do they all have in common?

Not a single one of them had his party in control of the senate in their final two years. For whatever reason, modern day Americans seem to prefer a divided government.

[Publicus]

"Those who insist on politicizing the tragedy will have to do so without me," Clinton wrote in her book of memoirs of her tenure as secretary of state, thus making clear she would not participate further in any GOP led Benghazi hearings."

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I'm wondering if that will be her answer to a federal subpoena to appear before Congress should she receive one.

Will she have some compelling reason why she should not appear. Executive privilege does not extend to private citizens, which she is now.

Of course she can always appear and plead the fifth amendment. It's been done recently by another female Democrat.

What's she going to do if a subpoena is issued?

Last May Congressman Daryl Issa "released" SecState John Kerry from the subpoena Issa issued against him. It actually was the second subpoena Issa issued against Kerry who had ignored the first one by traveling to Mexico on the day of the hearing. Issa and the House Republicans took that one squarely on the nose.

Issa's Government Oversight committee was a bridge too far so he had to back down because Kerry and others at DepState said they already had given testimony to three other committees investigating Benghazi -- the Armed Services Committee, Foreign Affairs, Intelligence.

Now, Rep Trey Gowdy is head of the super-duper Select Committee on Benghazi and he says he'll issue subpoenas to Clinton, Susan Rice and others plus take a swipe at Prez Obama.....

Trey Gowdy told Van Susteren that, “I’m ready to send subpoenas to Hillary Clinton, [Former U.S. Ambassador] Susan Rice, Cheryl Mills and Patrick Kennedy. I’m ready to take their depositions. And I’m ready to send interrogatories to the president.”

http://mrconservative.com/2014/01/30442-hillary-clinton-to-be-subpoenaed-for-benghazi-investigation/

Hillary meanwhile told Dianne Sawyer that the R's on the Select Committee are going to have show sincerity....

In the interview, Sawyer also asked about the new congressional committee that will examine the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya. Clinton did not say definitively whether or not she will testify before the new committee if called to do so.

“That’s going to be up to the people running the hearing,” she said. “We’ll see what they decide to do, how they conduct themselves, whether or not this is, you know, one more travesty about the loss of four Americans, or whether this is, in the best tradition of the Congress, an effort to figure out how – what we can do better.”

http://weaselzippers.us/189022-hillary-i-may-not-testify-if-subpoenaed-by-benghazi-committee-if-i-dont-like-how-they-conduct-themselves/

So I guess we'll all see.

[Publicus]

Hawker ... what the Hillary sycophants are not taking into account. Is now there will be Senate panel investigations of the events surrounding the Benghazi fiasco. With sworn testimony required. There will IMO be a smoking gun show up and of course wide spread publicity in the coming year about the awful event. Plus how it was mishandled and covered up. obama / Hillary supporters should remember Nixon was pushed out of office for the cover up - not the actual break in .. Same with Benghazi.

From the input from many hundreds of people in on line venues, the Benghazi incident and the cover up is what shook them out of political complacency into political activism.

When one is an obama / Hillary supporter the only things they hear and pay attention to are what their like minded friends and on line discussion venues say - which are just echo chambers of what they wish to hear. Thus the surprise in mid terms as to the huge magnitude of opposition to the current regime.. Cloistering ones news events to those that please you only brings on naivety.

The American public is extremely aroused about ridding the country of the Leftist - Socialist leaning leadership and are not going to forget what we consider six years of misery.

For the obama / Hillary supporters who think it was just a bunch of angry old white men that voted - good - keep thinking that...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/773873-us-midterm-elections-barack-obamas-legacy-could-be-ruined-in-one-day/page-11#entry8639000

It is fact that in five of the last six presidential elections the Democrat got more votes than the Republican did and that the Republican party will try or do anything short of murder to halt this increasing trend in 2016, and that the R party will again fail.

It is understandable that as we post several daze after the election Republicans and other white bread are as filled with helium as Ted Cruz's voice while the R's in and outside of the US look like Charlie Brown with his feet dancing while they are suspended off the ground..

The past six Republican party nominees for president have indeed been Charlie Brown because they invariably ended up on their <deleted> as Lucy every time has pulled the football out from under and in front of each one of them.

The present clown car of the R party half-dozen perspirants for the presidency are already jabbing, poking, slapping one another so things just aren't going to get any better for the party of fratricide and cheerful intransigence.

You really need to get some new material. Watch some Bill Maher and Jon Stewart.

They have better writers.

Posting the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it witty.

It merely makes it monotonous.

It is fact that in five of the last six presidential elections the Democrat got more votes than the Republican got and that the Republican party is desperate to try virtually anything to halt the ongoing reality in 2016.

You won't accomplish your purposes and goals however, which is why the post presents Bill Maher, Jon Steward, this poster and has a lot of other nonsense deflections.

Be sure to vote in 2016 and take your friends with you because Hillary will get more votes than your R party guy will get regardless. That will make it six of the last seven presidential elections.

[chuckd]

How do you spell "monotonous"?

"It is fact that in five of the last six presidential elections the Democrat got more votes than the Republican got and that the Republican party is desperate to try virtually anything to halt the ongoing reality in 2016."

[Publicus]

How do you spell "monotonous"?

"It is fact that in five of the last six presidential elections the Democrat got more votes than the Republican got and that the Republican party is desperate to try virtually anything to halt the ongoing reality in 2016."

Like that particular line eh....because of you it's been posted or quoted in five of the last 7 posts.

[Munger]

Obama's legacy could be ruined in one day? How short-sighted can someone be... He's been working tooth and nail for the last 6 years to secure his position as the worst president in the history of the US...

Ben Stein on President Obama...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47_H4GE6L40

Why do you completely undermine yourself with a clip from the propaganda channel?

That's it, attack the messenger and not the message... Who do you trust? CNN, NYT, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, etc... All puppets for the liberals... Deny that...

Do you disagree with Stein's opinion, if so, why?

I am sure "tw25rw" trusts MSNBC. He sounds like he also gets a thrill up his leg when Obama speaks

[F430murci]

He is a good President and a descent person.

I hope the USA people would recognise that and give him the control of the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Honour your good people.

Obama has been the worst President over the past 20-years and those who can't see it you have blinders on!

Obama has retracted his statement(s) more times than any other Presidents; i.e. Obamacare - premium costs would not go up and individual policies would not be cancelled.

Obama has increased the benefits given to the lower-class at the expense of the middle-class.

As the President and the top USG official, he micro-manages into topics that he should not. He has cabinet staff and should use them.

Obama has ruined US relations with US allies is unable to negotiate with others because it's his way or no way.

Lastly, he is arrogant as hell and will go down as the worst President of all times (even worst than Nixon-who was impeached or Clinton-who had sex in the oval office and denied it).

I don't even think he is a good person anymore.

[hawker9000]

He is a good President and a descent person.

I hope the USA people would recognise that and give him the control of the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Honour your good people.

Obama has been the worst President over the past 20-years and those who can't see it you have blinders on!

Obama has retracted his statement(s) more times than any other Presidents; i.e. Obamacare - premium costs would not go up and individual policies would not be cancelled.

Obama has increased the benefits given to the lower-class at the expense of the middle-class.

As the President and the top USG official, he micro-manages into topics that he should not. He has cabinet staff and should use them.

Obama has ruined US relations with US allies is unable to negotiate with others because it's his way or no way.

Lastly, he is arrogant as hell and will go down as the worst President of all times (even worst than Nixon-who was impeached or Clinton-who had sex in the oval office and denied it).

I don't even think he is a good person anymore.

You and I disagree. I don't think he ever was. 'Just a pretty political opportunist from the very start. 'Picked that up in Chicago or at Harvard - you decide.

[danmarnj]

What I dont understand about the posters arguing that O care is the great accomplishment, Can anyone find or point to one political ad in either the 2012 or '14 election where a democrat ran on the merits of it?

[hawker9000]

What I dont understand about the posters arguing that O care is the great accomplishment, Can anyone find or point to one political ad in either the 2012 or '14 election where a democrat ran on the merits of it?

Not only did it raise premiums for the already insured, kill the plans many had, and cause many to lose their doctors (just to name a few of Obama's many broken promises), it's a job-killer as well. Just another one of the things killing job opportunities for college grads and other young people, which is one important reason why they've become disillusioned with the Democratic Party. I'm not sure their parents are exactly thrilled with 30yo Johnny still living at home either... 'Think Grandma "the world's a village" Clinton could possibly reverse any of that? I don't.

[chuckd]

It has been reported that 30 year old Johnny's monthly premium for Obamacare could go up by as much as 78% on average in 2015.

Conveniently the new insurance rates for 2015 were NOT released prior to the mid-term election.

[JDGRUEN]

What I dont understand about the posters arguing that O care is the great accomplishment, Can anyone find or point to one political ad in either the 2012 or '14 election where a democrat ran on the merits of it?

Not only did it raise premiums for the already insured, kill the plans many had, and cause many to lose their doctors (just to name a few of Obama's many broken promises), it's a job-killer as well. Just another one of the things killing job opportunities for college grads and other young people, which is one important reason why they've become disillusioned with the Democratic Party. I'm not sure their parents are exactly thrilled with 30yo Johnny still living at home either... 'Think Grandma "the world's a village" Clinton could possibly reverse any of that? I don't.

I recently read a report where fully 1 in 4 American Doctors have left the obamacare system. That trend will likely continue.

[chuckd]

Talking about the mid terms...No comment necessary.

[JDGRUEN]

Obama's legacy could be ruined in one day? How short-sighted can someone be... He's been working tooth and nail for the last 6 years to secure his position as the worst president in the history of the US...

Ben Stein on President Obama...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47_H4GE6L40

Why do you completely undermine yourself with a clip from the propaganda channel?

That's it, attack the messenger and not the message... Who do you trust? CNN, NYT, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, etc... All puppets for the liberals... Deny that...

Do you disagree with Stein's opinion, if so, why?

I am sure "tw25rw" trusts MSNBC. He sounds like he also gets a thrill up his leg when Obama speaks

Good point Munger... so I add my thoughts in support ...

Stein has made these same statements and others of a similar vein on many venues not just FoxNews... Detractors of Stein's statements should debate the position - not the source... The video is of Stein speaking - it wasn't manufactured by FoxNews. And Stein is far from being alone on this subject.

Conservatives and moderates are virtually forced to listen to or read the Liberal - Leftist point of view ... so we know what the opposition thinks ... we cannot get away from the diatribe of Leftists pushing socialism it is everywhere in the media - even in the entertainment media... So we are not isolated and insulated from opposing opinion...

But on the other hand Liberals and Leftists are constantly surprised to hear another point of view - because all they listen to or read about supports their ideology - virtually walling out everything else. Cloistered liberals and leftists should start to think - well maybe tens of millions of Americans who just had an overwhelming victory in the Mid Term elections must believe their political values and ideas are good ones.

The Democrats were thrown out by people who believe as Stein does - shown the door in large numbers. Stein is just a spokesman for the rest of us because he can garner an audience. Getting an audience for Conservative and Moderate viewpoints is quite a feat in the vast sea of Liberal - Leftist - Socialist news media.

Hiding in a liberal - leftist basement or closet and assuming the rest of the world believes as you do is sheer folly.

"Though liberals do a great deal of talking about hearing other points of view, it sometimes shocks them to learn that there are other points of view" William F. Buckley, Jr.

Edited November 8, 2014 by JDGRUEN

[rakman]

The thing is, a recalcitrant republican senate is what Hillary must be praying for. That will provide an excellent backdrop for her campaign with a extremist conservative house and senate causing havoc.

Unlike Bill, she is not likable or skilled as he is. She is beatable by just about everyone.

I'm most scared of Elizabeth Warren. She even more liberal than Obama and is loved by the entitlement minded low information voters.

[rakman]

It's a TEA party in the old town tonight. Seriously who votes in midterms? Angry white men. HILLARY coming to the rescue!

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and pissed off women and Hispanics who are tired of Obama's policies.

[rakman]

The results are worse than I thought they would be, but remember who votes in a presidential year is VERY DIFFERENT than who votes in midterm years. Hillary is good to go!

TO THE WHITEHOUSE!

name one accomplishment Hillary did a Secretary of State?

[Ulysses G.]

She got away with blaming a YouTube video for Benghazi.

[up-country_sinclair]

Talking about the mid terms...No comment necessary.

Republicans had a chance to beat Senator Obama in 2008 and they didn't. They also had a chance to beat him in 2012 and they didn't.

But they've beaten him in a mid-term election in which he wasn't even on the ballot?

Some posters are going to hurt their backs by setting the bar so low.

[canman]

She got away with blaming a YouTube video for Benghazi.

And then went to ground claiming she had a head injury and thus avoiding any questions from the media

[chuckd]

Republicans had a chance to beat Senator Obama in 2008 and they didn't. They also had a chance to beat him in 2012 and they didn't.

But they've beaten him in a mid-term election in which he wasn't even on the ballot?

Some posters are going to hurt their backs by setting the bar so low.

Ah, but you see, his policies were on the ballot.

Perhaps he shouldn't have made this statement after winning in 2012. Sometimes comments like this can come back to haunt you.

[up-country_sinclair]

Republicans had a chance to beat Senator Obama in 2008 and they didn't. They also had a chance to beat him in 2012 and they didn't.

But they've beaten him in a mid-term election in which he wasn't even on the ballot?

Some posters are going to hurt their backs by setting the bar so low.

Ah, but you see, his policies were on the ballot.

It's clear to everyone how much you want to believe this, but this it's just not true. But feel free to prove me wrong and post all the federal, state and local ballots which explicitly show his policies on the ballot.

And just so there is no misunderstanding, I didn't vote for Obama either. But he won twice, and rather handily.

[JDGRUEN]

Republicans had a chance to beat Senator Obama in 2008 and they didn't. They also had a chance to beat him in 2012 and they didn't.

But they've beaten him in a mid-term election in which he wasn't even on the ballot?

Some posters are going to hurt their backs by setting the bar so low.

Ah, but you see, his policies were on the ballot.

Perhaps he shouldn't have made this statement after winning in 2012. Sometimes comments like this can come back to haunt you.

obama announced only weeks before this last election that all his policies were on the table even though he was not on the ballot ... seems pretty straight forward to me... It was very widely publicized all over America -- all over Facebook --- all over every news channel, HARD TO MISS and it had an influence on the elections

Edited for clarification

Edited November 8, 2014 by JDGRUEN

[F430murci]

What I dont understand about the posters arguing that O care is the great accomplishment, Can anyone find or point to one political ad in either the 2012 or '14 election where a democrat ran on the merits of it?

Not only did it raise premiums for the already insured, kill the plans many had, and cause many to lose their doctors (just to name a few of Obama's many broken promises), it's a job-killer as well. Just another one of the things killing job opportunities for college grads and other young people, which is one important reason why they've become disillusioned with the Democratic Party. I'm not sure their parents are exactly thrilled with 30yo Johnny still living at home either... 'Think Grandma "the world's a village" Clinton could possibly reverse any of that? I don't.

Unless you are poor or poor and uninsurable, Obamacare is an absolute flop. The poor and lazy get good plans practically free and the middle class that are actually working and responsible can only afford the cheap exchange policy plans that most good hospitals and good doctors do not accept. Totally screwed up.

[VegasVic]

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Young people do not vote as often in mid term elections as they do in presidential years. That is 100% what these election results were about. The statistics do not lie. If young people voted as proportionally as they did in 2008 and 2012, it would have been a Democrat victory. 2016 will be another whollaping for the GOP.

The above is not an opinion, it is fact.

"2016 will be another whollaping for the GOP.

The above is not an opinion, it is fact."

width=32 alt=cheesy.gif> width=32 alt=cheesy.gif> width=32 alt=cheesy.gif> width=32 alt=cheesy.gif> width=32 alt=cheesy.gif> Only a hopelessly enthralled Obamanista would think he could get away with so arrogantly stating as "fact" that which hasn't even happened yet!! 2016 is 2 years away!!!!! 5555555555 Congratulations! You are hereby awarded the Barack H. Obama order of merit for advanced public speaking.

I can't help but wonder what the "facts" (according to you) were 2 years AGO - as Obama was being re-elected - about what's happening NOW.

I personally think the 19-29yo demographic is more than disillusioned not only with Obama, but with the democratic party. Republicans have a real opportunity here, but I'm the first to admit that they can certainly blow it by failing to take on Obama and his proven toxic, un-American agenda, both domestically and overseas. His veto pen is now a dagger to the heart for democrats, and his stubborn & petulant use of it as a cudgel will cost them dearly. And most of them know it. An overridden veto would be better than impeachment. And a series of them, which will necessarily have to be bipartisan, a gift to republicans of inestimable and lasting value.

Very true Hawker! The Millennials who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 are no longer 20, 21, 22 ect. they are now 26, 27, 28 and they are figuring out weather they have a College degree or not there just aren't very many good paying jobs being created in the U.S. and now that they are off of Mommy and Daddys medical insurance and are forced into Obamacare, they see what all the fuss was about Some of the Democrat talking heads are assuming that they will automatically get the Millennials back in 2016, but I think that they are grasping at straws There is an old saying that Winston Churchill made famous "if you are not a little bit liberal when you are 21 then you are cold hearted, but if you are not a conservative by the time you are 40 then you are a fool" many of these kids who voted for Obama are waking up and smelling the coffee of reality a little earlier than 40, so my guess is that as a voting block they will not be much of a factor in 2016, and many of them have already jumped ship and took the blinders off and will likely vote Republican in 2016

[VegasVic]

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Republicans had a chance to beat Senator Obama in 2008 and they didn't. They also had a chance to beat him in 2012 and they didn't.

But they've beaten him in a mid-term election in which he wasn't even on the ballot?

Some posters are going to hurt their backs by setting the bar so low. alt=giggle.gif>

Ah, but you see, his policies were on the ballot.

It's clear to everyone how much you want to believe this, but this it's just not true. But feel free to prove me wrong and post all the federal, state and local ballots which explicitly show his policies on the ballot.

And just so there is no misunderstanding, I didn't vote for Obama either. But he won twice, and rather handily.

Up country, If you think that this was just a regular mid term election then you haven't been paying very much attention to the results across the country. This mid term was all about the Obama Presidency and the way the Democrats have been governing (or not governing in the case of Harry Reid), not only did the Republicans move from 45 to take a majority of the seats in the Senate, they will have at least 54 seats and perhaps 55 when the dust clears if there is a recount in Virginia, add to that a much larger increase in the House seats to a number that they have not seen since just after WW2, but that's only half the story the Republicans won a substantial majority of the Governors seats the most critical of which were in OHIO and FLORIDA, but they even won the Governorship in Democrat states like Illinois, Michigan and Wisconson, and when you dig down deeper you will find that they now control more State legislatures than they have since the 1920's So to say that Obama wasn't on the ballot is not only being simplistic, but you are missing the entire picture of what just happened last Tuesday in the U.S., it was a seismic shift that will have ramification well beyond the 2016 elections