Two Myanmar men accused of murders on Koh Tao tortured, rights panel says

[Baerboxer]

Wonder why the police never turned up with their version of the torture incident or could it be they have something to hide like the name of the real killer/killers

Standard Thai practice Jim. If you don't like the question simply ignore it. If that doesn't work shout about something else and ask a different question of your own. Finally if all else fails turn violent and nasty.

Even when it's not disputed that the police are involved in illegal activities they rarely get held to account. Many police officers here will tell you in conversation that they "are police and can do whatever they like". They aren't joking.

[longtom]

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The whole world knows what happened, these people have been worried about losing face for the longest time but they seem to be working hard to lose it all. Now everyone is laughing at them and they are still trying to deny the obvious.
It's too lame to be truth.

No the world doesn't know what happened.

Many people here post their popular believe of what happened that happens to fit with what they'd like the result to be. Anything different is dismissed and anyone who dares to say different is insulted and dismissed as being paid or in cahoots with the authorities. The tactics of the PC mob rule mentality - you are either with us or against us but you can't have a different opinion.

Two people were horrendously murdered. The initial police attendance contaminated the crime scene, were clueless and seemed to seek guidance from the local political / influential leaders rather than their superiors. More police piled in and several conflicting stories were given to the press causing even more confusion and fueling the speculation. Two illegal migrant workers were arrested based on DNA matches, after much confusion about what could and could not be tested in Thailand, how long the process would take and no explanation of why their DNA didn't match when first checked. The suspects confessed and then recanted claiming they were tortured. There has been no evidence produced to show that they were tortured, only their statement. This claim is being investigated. In the meantime British police officers came, observed and went. Their report will be produced but unlikely to be revealed before the inquest. The local prosecutor does not want to accept the case as he believes it is not complete and the RTP have stated they believe the case is complete, it's 80% complete and that they are not pursuing any more inquiries.

The whole show highlights the complete lack of professional competence, including posting detailed crime scene photos on the internet, and the somewhat dubious nature of law enforcement here. Combine that with a judicial process that is prone to influences of politics, wealth, social standing and connections and the chances of really seeing justice done become remote.

What this does demonstrate the sad state of affairs of justice and law enforcement in Thailand and the likely corruption that seems to underpin everything here.

Like most people I have my opinion. But that's all it is, an opinion. There are several possible scenarios and I'm sure others could think of more than me. But, like most if not all here, I haven't seen all the evidence.

Best summary of the whole story I´ve read in weeks, really says it all.

[joebrown]

The whole world knows what happened, these people have been worried about losing face for the longest time but they seem to be working hard to lose it all. Now everyone is laughing at them and they are still trying to deny the obvious.

It's too lame to be truth.

No the world doesn't know what happened.

Many people here post their popular believe of what happened that happens to fit with what they'd like the result to be. Anything different is dismissed and anyone who dares to say different is insulted and dismissed as being paid or in cahoots with the authorities. The tactics of the PC mob rule mentality - you are either with us or against us but you can't have a different opinion.

Two people were horrendously murdered. The initial police attendance contaminated the crime scene, were clueless and seemed to seek guidance from the local political / influential leaders rather than their superiors. More police piled in and several conflicting stories were given to the press causing even more confusion and fueling the speculation. Two illegal migrant workers were arrested based on DNA matches, after much confusion about what could and could not be tested in Thailand, how long the process would take and no explanation of why their DNA didn't match when first checked. The suspects confessed and then recanted claiming they were tortured. There has been no evidence produced to show that they were tortured, only their statement. This claim is being investigated. In the meantime British police officers came, observed and went. Their report will be produced but unlikely to be revealed before the inquest. The local prosecutor does not want to accept the case as he believes it is not complete and the RTP have stated they believe the case is complete, it's 80% complete and that they are not pursuing any more inquiries.

The whole show highlights the complete lack of professional competence, including posting detailed crime scene photos on the internet, and the somewhat dubious nature of law enforcement here. Combine that with a judicial process that is prone to influences of politics, wealth, social standing and connections and the chances of really seeing justice done become remote.

What this does demonstrate the sad state of affairs of justice and law enforcement in Thailand and the likely corruption that seems to underpin everything here.

Like most people I have my opinion. But that's all it is, an opinion. There are several possible scenarios and I'm sure others could think of more than me. But, like most if not all here, I haven't seen all the evidence.

On October 8th it was reported in Coconuts BKK that a Burmese Embassy Lawyer visited the B2 and they revealed bruises they said came from torture and recanted their confessions. I wonder whether the Lawyer took photos of these bruises, and has passed them on to the NHRC?? This might explain the RTP reluctance to attend any meeting called by NHRC. Edited November 17, 2014 by joebrown

[stephen terry]

"We haven't been to Koh Tao. People who have been there tell us that in fact security cameras were widely available but after the crimes happened, no one knew where recordings from those cameras are. Those who agree to talk us don't dare to give much information. And they prefer to talk in a place outside Koh Tao," she said.

I think this part of the report is very interesting.

I also do wonder where are the recordings from the CCTV.......

transam: So these two Burmese guys went and "sorted" all the cctv stuff ..

The only reason for the lack of CCTV recordings is that someone has obliterated them/hidden them/whatever. Any reasonable person would assume that it was deliberate to cover up identifying possible suspects. Two probable sources: the powerful families or the RTP, or both.

Logically (from the absence of CCTV recordings), the B2 cannot be involved in their destruction, and even if they were at the crime scene, there are others also.

[Dogmatix]

I spotted an interesting article in Thai Rath over the week end, the gist of which I summarize below for the benefit of those who cannot read Thai.

"After the Koh Tao murders a crazy conspiracy developed with a view to making Thai people bitterly hate Thai police. They have repeatedly incited their friends to believe that Thai police looked for Burmese scapegoats to get forced confessions. After the dust had settled and the social media idiots all returned to America, it turned out after 3 DNA tests that the police were right.

Scotland Yard and the British Ambassador, who spent a long time engrossed in the case, asked to see all the details of the DNA tests of 300 people on Koh Tao and the taking of samples. All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own.

Once the imaginative fantasies are over, hopefully people will stop criticizing Thai police."

[thailandchilli]

I spotted an interesting article in Thai Rath over the week end, the gist of which I summarize below for the benefit of those who cannot read Thai.

"After the Koh Tao murders a crazy conspiracy developed with a view to making Thai people bitterly hate Thai police. They have repeatedly incited their friends to believe that Thai police looked for Burmese scapegoats to get forced confessions. After the dust had settled and the social media idiots all returned to America, it turned out after 3 DNA tests that the police were right.

Scotland Yard and the British Ambassador, who spent a long time engrossed in the case, asked to see all the details of the DNA tests of 300 people on Koh Tao and the taking of samples. All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own.

Once the imaginative fantasies are over, hopefully people will stop criticizing Thai police."

Words fail me....................my fear is that if this is what the authorities are influencing the Thai Rath to report then its obvious that they have no intention to change course in this and the B2 are destined to pay no matter what

Edited November 17, 2014 by thailandchilli

[zoza]

quote from the rights panel

"We haven't been to Koh Tao. People who have been there tell us that in fact security cameras were widely available but after the crimes happened, no one knew where recordings from those cameras are. Those who agree to talk us don't dare to give much information. And they prefer to talk in a place outside Koh Tao," she said.

why do people on koh tao not dare to give much information?

everyone knows that security cameras were widely available but after the crimes happened no one knew

where the recordings from those cameras are?

is this a cryptic message to the world from the rights panel.

[Eirene]

WOW... Please tell me that 'Thai Rath' is the Thai version of 'The Onion'.

[Dogmatix]

Spring TV has aired a 38 minute documentary in Thai by their journalist, Ms Siriporn, which sets out the progress to date and the timeline of the investigation quite well. Interestingly there is no mention at all of the former head family of interest which has now been formally declared uninteresting after suitable arrangements were made to establish their innocence beyond doubt combined with thorough police investigation of DNA and alibis - not even a mention of the formal declaration of disinterest in them or their name. Seems the media are scared even to mention what was the police's second line of enquiry after Chris Ware, who was mentioned, while summing things up. Regarding the latter, the programme showed a policeman early in the investigation saying that the violence of the crime indicated that it could not have been committed by Thais (who presumably are far more gentler, kinder rapists and murderers). This observation must have been what led police to suspect that Mr Ware had committed both murders by himself in a fit of homosexual jealousy before they switched their attention the family that was once of interest.

Also of interest was a comment on the results of the autopsy against a frame of the commander of the police Institute of Forensic Medicine, a police major general wearing a white doctor's coat, where Ms Siriporn mentioned that the autopsy had found severe bruising on David's hands indicating that he had fought back.

[stephen terry]

I spotted an interesting article in Thai Rath over the week end, the gist of which I summarize below for the benefit of those who cannot read Thai.

"After the Koh Tao murders a crazy conspiracy developed with a view to making Thai people bitterly hate Thai police. They have repeatedly incited their friends to believe that Thai police looked for Burmese scapegoats to get forced confessions. After the dust had settled and the social media idiots all returned to America, it turned out after 3 DNA tests that the police were right.

Scotland Yard and the British Ambassador, who spent a long time engrossed in the case, asked to see all the details of the DNA tests of 300 people on Koh Tao and the taking of samples. All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own.

Once the imaginative fantasies are over, hopefully people will stop criticizing Thai police."

Words fail me....................my fear is that if this is what the authorities are influencing the Thai Rath to report then its obvious that they have no intention to change course in this and the B2 are destined to pay no matter what

Yes, that quite right because I assume no Thai person would be indicted/sentenced for killing a non-thai. See the case of the murdered German on Samui, where the Thai suspects are waiting out their 84 days before they're freed. It's not as if there's no evidence, there's plenty enough plus a confession, but it ain't going to happen. To give me a ray of hope that justice will be served, has there ever been a Thai incarcerated for killing a non-Thai?

The Thai Rath article comes from an alternative universe, one of which posters on here will never visit.

[chotthee]

What's next, arrest the police officers who do their job in closing the case? Stupid isn't it. Punish the good guys, while criminals walk free, just like Thaksin.

it's not about Thaksin but trust you to push yellow propaganda <snip>

No not about T.

He is just an outstanding example. One that everybody knows. More names could be added, of course.

Yingluck of cause. I nearly forgot.

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What's next, arrest the police officers who do their job in closing the case? Stupid isn't it. Punish the good guys, while criminals walk free, just like Thaksin.

So rewarding to see you are now the xenophibic racist judge and jury

What's next, arrest the police officers who do their job in closing the case?

Yes indeed the closing of the case now it is full of money has probably already been done.

Stupid isn't it. Punish the good guys, while criminals walk free, just like Thaksin.

Yes indeed agreed.

The good guys being the Myanmar scapegoats whilst the real killers and the corrupt police walk or rather run free.

I can't make up my mind whether this poster is a troll or just plain oblivious. I'm tempted to go for the former as this poster never comes back to defend his/her post against detractors. He/she also sometimes slips up by switching between fluent English and pidgin. Ah well, whatever floats his/her boat.

Back on topic. Albeit the news of this dreadful case was primarily trickled out piecemeal, as soon as I saw that photo of the two accused Burmese on the front of the BP, I knew they were being set up. And good on the BP for that particular pic which needed no other interpretation.

[Laughing Gravy]

I spotted an interesting article in Thai Rath over the week end, the gist of which I summarize below for the benefit of those who cannot read Thai.

"After the Koh Tao murders a crazy conspiracy developed with a view to making Thai people bitterly hate Thai police. They have repeatedly incited their friends to believe that Thai police looked for Burmese scapegoats to get forced confessions. After the dust had settled and the social media idiots all returned to America, it turned out after 3 DNA tests that the police were right.

Scotland Yard and the British Ambassador, who spent a long time engrossed in the case, asked to see all the details of the DNA tests of 300 people on Koh Tao and the taking of samples. All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own.

Once the imaginative fantasies are over, hopefully people will stop criticizing Thai police."

As one not so nice person quoted

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

[uty6543]

Torture or not. We all know those boys are innocent

do we?for sure?

Yes we do know for sure. From day 1 it was obvious to 99.9% of us.

Just like some know for sure there is no god and afterlife, whilst others know for sure there is.

How do you know for sure - your infallible gut feeling? You must win a lot of lotteries then.

Innocent or guilty - people can have opinions but very very few really know what happened on that terrible night. And they ain't posting the details on TVF, or FB for that matter.

Belief in God and the afterlife is based on faith not evidence and I would never question another man's faith.

I never buy lottery tickets in thailand as it is run by corrupt officials. IMO

I know for sure that the B2 are innocent based on evidence and lack of evidence the RTP should have and don't. For example lack of CCTV showing the movements of the guilty parties. Lack of CCTV showing Nomsod whereabouts. One clip with a incorrect time stamp is not enough to clear him. Any of us who have spent any length of time here probably have first hand experience of police corruption so trusting the DNA is out of the question. So no it is not my gut feeling that tells me these 2 are innocent it is evidence and lack of credibility of the prosocutions case.

[NoshowJones]

Torture is not putting plastic bags on a suspects head. Torture is inflicting serious amounts of pain with hot irons, finger crushing pliers and beatings with clubs. This was just a Thailand style interrogation.

Torture doesn't have to leave a scar. Waterboarding doesn't, putting a plastic bag over someone's head and cutting off their oxygen supply doesn't. Torture is whatever causes terror and fear off death. Locking me in a room with venomous snakes would be torture for me but perhaps not for you.

Locking me in a room and playing Elton John or Michael Jackson records would be torture for me. Now lets hear someone say the same about Elvis or Roy Orbison and I won't believe them.

[iReason]

...the ongoing probe...

"Police representatives did not answer our summons four times already"

Outrageous.

"People who have been there tell us that in fact security cameras were widely available but after the crimes happened, no one knew where recordings from those cameras are."

"Those who agree to talk us don't dare to give much information. And they prefer to talk in a place outside Koh Tao," she said."

People are terrorized by savages on that hellhole of an island.

[FangFerang]

Torture is not putting plastic bags on a suspects head. Torture is inflicting serious amounts of pain with hot irons, finger crushing pliers and beatings with clubs. This was just a Thailand style interrogation.

Yeah....right.

[FangFerang]

If you think that placing a plastic bag over your head does not amount to torture, you really should try it sometime.

There are about 300.000 victims of the Khmer Rouge (amongst whom my father in Law) who were tortured and killed this way. My wife can testify to this as she was was forced to watch at the time.

That hurt to read. My sincere condolences.

[Dogmatix]

Just like some know for sure there is no god and afterlife, whilst others know for sure there is.

How do you know for sure - your infallible gut feeling? You must win a lot of lotteries then.

Innocent or guilty - people can have opinions but very very few really know what happened on that terrible night. And they ain't posting the details on TVF, or FB for that matter.

Belief in God and the afterlife is based on faith not evidence and I would never question another man's faith.

I never buy lottery tickets in thailand as it is run by corrupt officials. IMO

I know for sure that the B2 are innocent based on evidence and lack of evidence the RTP should have and don't. For example lack of CCTV showing the movements of the guilty parties. Lack of CCTV showing Nomsod whereabouts. One clip with a incorrect time stamp is not enough to clear him. Any of us who have spent any length of time here probably have first hand experience of police corruption so trusting the DNA is out of the question. So no it is not my gut feeling that tells me these 2 are innocent it is evidence and lack of credibility of the prosocutions case.

Even if you believe the DNA match, that seems to make the evidence that they also committed the double murder only circumstantial. There were no bloodstained clothes after the particularly brutal and messy murder of Hannah. There are no fingerprints or DNA linking them to the hoe and no marks on them indicating the struggle with David that resulted in the severe bruises to his hands and no signs of a struggle with Hannah which would definitely have resulted in scratches and bites, if the poor girl was still conscious. Neither of them had died blond hair corresponding to the hair that was supposedly found clasped in Hannah's hand. There is no clear explanation of how two gnomes were able to subdue David, lay him unconscious and drag him to the water while simultaneously restraining Hannah. There is no account of a second murder weapon or how the hoe could have inflicted David's wounds if it was the only weapon used. There is DNA of the 2B plus the former star witness on cigarette butts where they said they were singing and playing guitar plus another cigarette butt with red lipstick on it but I think no female DNA. So the cigarette evidence seems to only confirm that the 3B were on the log at some point but the time of death must have been after 3am and before 4am, while the 3B went to the log at 11pm and only had a couple of beers to last them 4 to 5 hours plus only smoked one cigarette each, even though they had just purchased a pack of 20 LMs in the convenience store. In a Western court the prosecution would need to convince the jury that the 2B raped Hannah, assuming DNA is irrefutable, and then would need to show how they murdered the pair to eliminate the possibility that there were other parties involved who can't be proved to have committed rape but did commit the murders.

[RustBucket]

Torture is not putting plastic bags on a suspects head. Torture is inflicting serious amounts of pain with hot irons, finger crushing pliers and beatings with clubs. This was just a Thailand style interrogation.

You could not be more wrong. There is a thing called mental torture and to admit to killing two people when you didn't actually speaks volumes that this form of torture must have been pretty bad.

I suppose you think the water torture isn't real either.

[Dogmatix]

...the ongoing probe...

"Police representatives did not answer our summons four times already"

Outrageous.

"People who have been there tell us that in fact security cameras were widely available but after the crimes happened, no one knew where recordings from those cameras are."

"Those who agree to talk us don't dare to give much information. And they prefer to talk in a place outside Koh Tao," she said."

People are terrorized by savages on that hellhole of an island.

That's strange cos the quote from Thai Rath TV has the head of the family that was formerly of interest saying that all the CCTV footage came from his family which has cooperated fully with police by providing all they asked for. No doubt that is entirely true but it is not clear exactly what they asked for, since one policeman was quoted telling journalists police couldn't ask the owner of one of the formerly interesting family's bars to give them the 2 minutes of footage that was edited out of the clip of the running man because it was private property.

[Pundi6446]

What's next, arrest the police officers who do their job in closing the case? Stupid isn't it. Punish the good guys, while criminals walk free, just like Thaksin.

For your information, Thaksin is no criminal, your just a puppet for what you think people think, mostly farangs who don't know shit about what really happened in Thailand.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Pundi6446

[kurnell]

Let's torture the police and the real killer until they confess

[Dogmatix]

I spotted an interesting article in Thai Rath over the week end, the gist of which I summarize below for the benefit of those who cannot read Thai.

"After the Koh Tao murders a crazy conspiracy developed with a view to making Thai people bitterly hate Thai police. They have repeatedly incited their friends to believe that Thai police looked for Burmese scapegoats to get forced confessions. After the dust had settled and the social media idiots all returned to America, it turned out after 3 DNA tests that the police were right.

Scotland Yard and the British Ambassador, who spent a long time engrossed in the case, asked to see all the details of the DNA tests of 300 people on Koh Tao and the taking of samples. All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own.

Once the imaginative fantasies are over, hopefully people will stop criticizing Thai police."

Words fail me....................my fear is that if this is what the authorities are influencing the Thai Rath to report then its obvious that they have no intention to change course in this and the B2 are destined to pay no matter what

Yes, that quite right because I assume no Thai person would be indicted/sentenced for killing a non-thai. See the case of the murdered German on Samui, where the Thai suspects are waiting out their 84 days before they're freed. It's not as if there's no evidence, there's plenty enough plus a confession, but it ain't going to happen. To give me a ray of hope that justice will be served, has there ever been a Thai incarcerated for killing a non-Thai?

The Thai Rath article comes from an alternative universe, one of which posters on here will never visit.

I don't know whether the Thai Rath article was written at the urging of the Thai police or not. But it seems to me that, if what they say is true, there should be no need for articles like that in their support. If they did a great job, let their actions and results speak for themselves. The case will be wrapped up quickly with overwhelming evidence of the 2B's guilt in addition to the DNA evidence, which is provided entirely by the police themselves without independent corroboration, and the court and the public will be convinced and eternally grateful to the BiB for removing two callous killers from the streets for good. Also why not let the British police and ambassador speak for themselves? If they were so impressed by the police investigation and superior technology, they will probably say so in good time and we will soon read about a Thai police delegation flying to the UK to provide training to Scotland Yard and regional forces along with sales of Thai technology. It will be far more convincing from the mouths of the UK police and the ambassador than from Thai media which can be bought and sold on a daily basis.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Dogmatix

[Alwyn]

Torture is not putting plastic bags on a suspects head. Torture is inflicting serious amounts of pain with hot irons, finger crushing pliers and beatings with clubs. This was just a Thailand style interrogation.

Not correct. Mental torture is just as effective, if not more effective, as violent torture.

[Dogmatix]

Torture is not putting plastic bags on a suspects head. Torture is inflicting serious amounts of pain with hot irons, finger crushing pliers and beatings with clubs. This was just a Thailand style interrogation.

Not correct. Mental torture is just as effective, if not more effective, as violent torture.

I think putting a plastic bag on the head of someone with his hands cuffed behind his back would have a similar effect waterboarding where the victim is brought to the edge of suffocation repeatedly. Like waterboarding plastic bag torture doesn't leave any marks, unless the victim suffocates to death. Perhaps we have someone on TV who worked at Guantanamo who is experienced in US torture techniques and can tell us more.

[coma]

In a 'normal' country and with jury trial that would be a slam dunk ' drop all charges'. Time to turn them loose.

[Artisi]

Torture is not putting plastic bags on a suspects head. Torture is inflicting serious amounts of pain with hot irons, finger crushing pliers and beatings with clubs. This was just a Thailand style interrogation.

Torture doesn't have to leave a scar. Waterboarding doesn't, putting a plastic bag over someone's head and cutting off their oxygen supply doesn't. Torture is whatever causes terror and fear off death. Locking me in a room with venomous snakes would be torture for me but perhaps not for you.

Don't get too serious, think he was being a smarty and pointing out normal Thai policing methods.

[Alwyn]

I spotted an interesting article in Thai Rath over the week end, the gist of which I summarize below for the benefit of those who cannot read Thai.

"After the Koh Tao murders a crazy conspiracy developed with a view to making Thai people bitterly hate Thai police. They have repeatedly incited their friends to believe that Thai police looked for Burmese scapegoats to get forced confessions. After the dust had settled and the social media idiots all returned to America, it turned out after 3 DNA tests that the police were right.

Scotland Yard and the British Ambassador, who spent a long time engrossed in the case, asked to see all the details of the DNA tests of 300 people on Koh Tao and the taking of samples. All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own.

Once the imaginative fantasies are over, hopefully people will stop criticizing Thai police."

Outstanding! These people really are demented. I like the part where the British ambassador and Scotland Yard were so impressed they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train the British police! I also enjoyed reading how the Thai police have more advanced equipment and techniques than the British police according to Scotland Yard. We saw the Thai police advanced techniques when containing the crime scene, who could fail to be impressed by that? Who could also fail to be impressed by the bomb detecting equipment they purchased a couple of years ago. RTP, a truly state of the art organization indeed!

[Dogmatix]

I spotted an interesting article in Thai Rath over the week end, the gist of which I summarize below for the benefit of those who cannot read Thai.

"After the Koh Tao murders a crazy conspiracy developed with a view to making Thai people bitterly hate Thai police. They have repeatedly incited their friends to believe that Thai police looked for Burmese scapegoats to get forced confessions. After the dust had settled and the social media idiots all returned to America, it turned out after 3 DNA tests that the police were right.

Scotland Yard and the British Ambassador, who spent a long time engrossed in the case, asked to see all the details of the DNA tests of 300 people on Koh Tao and the taking of samples. All the Scotland Yard aunties and the British ambassador were so impressed that they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train their own police. Even more important than the praise heaped on Thai police by the Brits was their admission that the Thai police used more advanced equipment and techniques in the investigation than their own.

Once the imaginative fantasies are over, hopefully people will stop criticizing Thai police."

Outstanding! These people really are demented. I like the part where the British ambassador and Scotland Yard were so impressed they asked the Thai police to come to the UK to train the British police! I also enjoyed reading how the Thai police have more advanced equipment and techniques than the British police according to Scotland Yard. We saw the Thai police advanced techniques when containing the crime scene, who could fail to be impressed by that? Who could also fail to be impressed by the bomb detecting equipment they purchased a couple of years ago. RTP, a truly state of the art organization indeed!

I think the aunties at Scotland Yard will be putting in an order for plastic bags from the Thai Region 8 detectives soon.