Synagogue attack: Netanyahu vow in 'battle for Jerusalem'

[Thorgal]

They are not going to win the hearts of the world, no matter what they do, but they will defend their nation and keep growing stronger and and more successful, as they have done since they began 66 years ago.

Jews and Muslims fought together against the Christians during early crussades in several battles of Jerusalem.

Why do they claim now to defend themselves in vain against Muslims ?

[Thorgal]

Everyone expects him to respond, even the Jihadist terrorists. The question only is how hard.

The jihadists want him to respond with another over the top retaliation, as every time Israel does so it loses world support. If he does, he is just playing their game.

When are the new elections in Israel ?

[thaibeachlovers]

Everyone expects him to respond, even the Jihadist terrorists. The question only is how hard.

The jihadists want him to respond with another over the top retaliation, as every time Israel does so it loses world support. If he does, he is just playing their game.

When are the new elections in Israel ?

Who cares? Nothing will change.

[Jay Sata]

This from Haaretz

Israel is galloping toward elections, guided by insanity

Even if the final coalition blow-up is delayed, the election campaign season has for all intents and purposes begun.

By Yossi Verter | Nov. 18, 2014 | 6:30 AM

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.627044

And from the USA

Jon Stewart blasts 'fascistic' right-wing Jewish pressure on dissident Jews

American Jewish satirist says of Israel, 'The danger of oppression is not just being oppressed, its becoming an oppressor.'

"The Daily Show" host Jon Stewart on Thursday denounced as "fascistic" the pressure that right-wing Jews put on other Jews to prevent them from criticizing Israel or expressing their Judaism in controversial ways.

Edited November 19, 2014 by Jay Sata

[Seastallion]

" Mr Netanyahu ordered the homes of the attackers to be destroyed, saying: "We are in a battle over Jerusalem, our eternal capital."".

Once again Israel is going ahead with the international crime of collective punishment.

Once again Israel is going to find every excuse it can to displace Arabs and insert Jews in their place, to try to overrun Jerusalem.

Once again, Israel is going to exact hugely disproportionate revenge.

Netanyahu is taking a gamble here. He's gambling that the international community will be so shocked at the atrocity that they will turn a blind eye to this next iteration of Zionist ethnic cleansing.

He may succeed in his gamble, or maybe the world is awake enough to his devious and bloody methods that they will not tolerate another massacre of Palestinians.

I think it will be a close call. It all depends on how well the propaganda machine gets into gear.

Well, not like a Jewish family will come to build a house over the demolished one (IF it will indeed be demolished),

Where was anything mentioned about exacting hugely disproportionate revenge?

You are not even bothering to qualify those statements....

Do you actually know about something planned along the lines of "ethnic cleansing"?

And you talk about propaganda machine getting in gear, no less....

" Mr Netanyahu vowed to "settle the score with every terrorist" "

Netanyahu is talking about revenge. Revenge upon every person he considers a terrorist, ie every member and supporter of Hamas....ie the majority of the population of Gaza. It's pretty clear. You only have to read the reports of what transpired in the last 2 massive offensives against Gaza in the last 5 years to draw a reasonable conclusion as to what he means.

If you think Netanyahu is not trying to clear out Arab neighbourhoods in Jerusalem, then you have not been seeing what has been gradually happening for decades.

Preempt propaganda with the truth and in the absence of hard facts, reasonable conclusions.

[bangon04]

Oh yes, you killed 4 of us and so we are going to kill 5000 of you (including a few hundred children). Very appropriate response .......

"Mr Netanyahu vowed to "settle the score with every terrorist" saying that those "who want to uproot us from our state and capital... will not succeed"."

and probably he will do his best to keep his word in this case, as long as the US has no serious objection to a bit of punishment genocide.

Pity Netanyahoo doesn't try to keep any of his other promises to the arabs

[Jingthing]

"Mr Netanyahu vowed to "settle the score with every terrorist" saying that those "who want to uproot us from our state and capital... will not succeed"."

and probably he will do his best to keep his word in this case, as long as the US has no serious objection to a bit of punishment genocide.

Pity Netanyahoo doesn't try to keep any of his other promises to the arabs

Use of the word genocide in this context is a typical Israel demonization lie. Criticize Israel rationally. Fine. False charges. Not fine.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Jingthing

[Jay Sata]

His last 'punishment ' of Gaza's civilians over the deaths of three hitchhikers in the West Bank certainly looked genocide to me.

[Ulysses G.]

Blame Hamas for that. They purposely set off rockets from heavily populated areas, convinced civilians to act as human shields, used a hospital as their HQ and fired missles at Israel from its parking lot.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

Blame Hamas for that. They purposely set off rockets from heavily populated areas, convinced civilians to act as human shields, used a hospital as their HQ and fired missles at Israel from its parking lot.

Some background on that:

"If Hamas does not like you for any reason all they have to do now is say you are a Mossad agent and kill you." — A., a Fatah member in Gaza.

"Hamas wanted us butchered so it could win the media war against Israel showing our dead children on TV and then get money from Qatar." — T., former Hamas Ministry officer.

"They would fire rockets and then run away quickly, leaving us to face Israeli bombs for what they did." — D., Gazan journalist.

"Hamas imposed a curfew: anyone walking out in the street was shot. That way people had to stay in their homes, even if they were about to get bombed. Hamas held the whole Gazan population as a human shield." — K., graduate student

"The Israeli army allows supplies to come in and Hamas steals them. It seems even the Israelis care for us more than Hamas." — E., first-aid volunteer.

"We are under Hamas occupation, and if you ask most of us, we would rather be under Israeli occupation… We miss the days when we were able to work inside Israel and make good money. We miss the security and calm Israel provided when it was here." — S., graduate of an American university, former Hamas sympathizer.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes

[Seastallion]

Blame Hamas for that. They purposely set off rockets from heavily populated areas, convinced civilians to act as human shields, used a hospital as their HQ and fired missles at Israel from its parking lot.

Some background on that:

"If Hamas does not like you for any reason all they have to do now is say you are a Mossad agent and kill you." — A., a Fatah member in Gaza.

"Hamas wanted us butchered so it could win the media war against Israel showing our dead children on TV and then get money from Qatar." — T., former Hamas Ministry officer.

"They would fire rockets and then run away quickly, leaving us to face Israeli bombs for what they did." — D., Gazan journalist.

"Hamas imposed a curfew: anyone walking out in the street was shot. That way people had to stay in their homes, even if they were about to get bombed. Hamas held the whole Gazan population as a human shield." — K., graduate student

"The Israeli army allows supplies to come in and Hamas steals them. It seems even the Israelis care for us more than Hamas." — E., first-aid volunteer.

"We are under Hamas occupation, and if you ask most of us, we would rather be under Israeli occupation… We miss the days when we were able to work inside Israel and make good money. We miss the security and calm Israel provided when it was here." — S., graduate of an American university, former Hamas sympathizer.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes

As I've been suggesting for some time...Hamas WILL lose support if Israel would only strike a deal with Fatah.

[Seastallion]

Blame Hamas for that. They purposely set off rockets from heavily populated areas, convinced civilians to act as human shields, used a hospital as their HQ and fired missles at Israel from its parking lot.

Some background on that:

"If Hamas does not like you for any reason all they have to do now is say you are a Mossad agent and kill you." — A., a Fatah member in Gaza.

"Hamas wanted us butchered so it could win the media war against Israel showing our dead children on TV and then get money from Qatar." — T., former Hamas Ministry officer.

"They would fire rockets and then run away quickly, leaving us to face Israeli bombs for what they did." — D., Gazan journalist.

"Hamas imposed a curfew: anyone walking out in the street was shot. That way people had to stay in their homes, even if they were about to get bombed. Hamas held the whole Gazan population as a human shield." — K., graduate student

"The Israeli army allows supplies to come in and Hamas steals them. It seems even the Israelis care for us more than Hamas." — E., first-aid volunteer.

"We are under Hamas occupation, and if you ask most of us, we would rather be under Israeli occupation… We miss the days when we were able to work inside Israel and make good money. We miss the security and calm Israel provided when it was here." — S., graduate of an American university, former Hamas sympathizer.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes

As I've been saying, Hamas WILL lose support if only Israel will strike a deal with Fatah....but Israel does not want peace.

[Jay Sata]

Blame Hamas for that. They purposely set off rockets from heavily populated areas, convinced civilians to act as human shields, used a hospital as their HQ and fired missles at Israel from its parking lot.

How many times do you have to trot that one out. The so called rockets are next to useless.

If the Iron Dome is so great why not use it against these fireworks.

Netanyahu will go down in Israeli history as a failed politician who delivered nothing apart from his monthly pay check to the bank.

If he is so worried about terrorism and Muslims why is he not engaged with the mess in Syria and the threat of ISIS.

The latter should concern him more than any thoughts of Iran attacking Israel.

If they started beheading Jews what would he do?

Trying to use high tech warfare on low tech terrorists does not work anywhere in the world.

The USA discovered that in Vietnam.

[Ulysses G.]

Blame Hamas for that. They purposely set off rockets from heavily populated areas, convinced civilians to act as human shields, used a hospital as their HQ and fired missles at Israel from its parking lot.

How many times do you have to trot that one out. The so called rockets are next to useless.

Are you really that ignorant? Hamas intends to hit somewhere or harm someone. They have killed and injured numerous Israeli civilians, but their main effect is the creation of widespread psychological trauma and disruption of daily life among the Israeli populace. No country in the world would put up with these terrorist attacks. If Hamas stops firing them, Israel won't have to strike back.

[Jingthing]

Some interesting background on why the question about whether Abbas is or isn't responsible for provoking the increase in terror attacks in Jerusalem is significant for both internal Israeli politics and also any dim hopes for a peace process. You really need to read the entire article to get the gist.

For Netanyahu, all Palestinian violence, whether Abbas is directly initiating it or not, is ultimately rooted in the universal rejection of Israel’s legitimacy by all parts of Palestinian politics.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/why-netanyahu-thinks-blaming-abbas-is-vital-for-peace/

Edited November 20, 2014 by Jingthing

[jdinasia]

Denver Post ran an article that gives some background including this

"Late Tuesday, several hundred Jewish youths marched through downtown Jerusalem, blocking traffic and chanting, "Death to Arabs." Police reported at least 10 arrests."

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26965318/israel-vows-harsh-retaliation-bloody-synagogue-attack

[chuckd]

Denver Post ran an article that gives some background including this

"Late Tuesday, several hundred Jewish youths marched through downtown Jerusalem, blocking traffic and chanting, "Death to Arabs." Police reported at least 10 arrests."

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26965318/israel-vows-harsh-retaliation-bloody-synagogue-attack

What a ridiculous post. In your link, your two quoted sentences are the only reference to a seemingly peaceful student protest that got 10 people arrested.

The remainder of the article was on the murders of five people.

This is a "cherry picking: classic.

Read his link and see for yourselves.

[jdinasia]

Denver Post ran an article that gives some background including this

"Late Tuesday, several hundred Jewish youths marched through downtown Jerusalem, blocking traffic and chanting, "Death to Arabs." Police reported at least 10 arrests."

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26965318/israel-vows-harsh-retaliation-bloody-synagogue-attack

What a ridiculous post. In your link, your two quoted sentences are the only reference to a seemingly peaceful student protest that got 10 people arrested.

The remainder of the article was on the murders of five people.

This is a "cherry picking: classic.

Read his link and see for yourselves.

Really? "death to Arabs"

Arab protester shot in the back.

Escalation of tension on Temple Mount etc

Netanyahu repeatedly has said he will not change that arrangement, but the violence has spread beyond Jerusalem, with deadly stabbings in Tel Aviv and the West Bank last week, while the fatal shooting of a young Arab protester in northern Israel by police — apparently as he was walking away from an officer — has added to the tensions

[Ulysses G.]

Denver Post ran an article that gives some background including this

"Late Tuesday, several hundred Jewish youths marched through downtown Jerusalem, blocking traffic and chanting, "Death to Arabs." Police reported at least 10 arrests."

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26965318/israel-vows-harsh-retaliation-bloody-synagogue-attack

What a ridiculous post. In your link, your two quoted sentences are the only reference to a seemingly peaceful student protest that got 10 people arrested.

The remainder of the article was on the murders of five people.

This is a "cherry picking: classic.

Read his link and see for yourselves.

Indeed, but very typical of his posts. Anything to demonize Israel, no matter how dishonest.

The attack during prayers in the west Jerusalem neighborhood of Har Nof was carried out by two Palestinian cousins wielding meat cleavers, knives and a handgun.

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26965318/israel-vows-harsh-retaliation-bloody-synagogue-attack

[chuckd]

Denver Post ran an article that gives some background including this

"Late Tuesday, several hundred Jewish youths marched through downtown Jerusalem, blocking traffic and chanting, "Death to Arabs." Police reported at least 10 arrests."

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26965318/israel-vows-harsh-retaliation-bloody-synagogue-attack

What a ridiculous post. In your link, your two quoted sentences are the only reference to a seemingly peaceful student protest that got 10 people arrested.

The remainder of the article was on the murders of five people.

This is a "cherry picking: classic.

Read his link and see for yourselves.

Really? "death to Arabs"

Arab protester shot in the back.

Escalation of tension on Temple Mount etc

Netanyahu repeatedly has said he will not change that arrangement, but the violence has spread beyond Jerusalem, with deadly stabbings in Tel Aviv and the West Bank last week, while the fatal shooting of a young Arab protester in northern Israel by police — apparently as he was walking away from an officer — has added to the tensions

and then there was this part:

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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the attack, the first time he has done so in the wave of deadly violence against Israelis. But he also called for an end to Israeli "provocations" surrounding Jerusalem's shrines that are sacred to both Muslims and Jews.

President Barack Obama called the attack "horrific" and without justification, urging cooperation from both sides to ease tensions and adding that too many Israelis and Palestinians have died in recent months.

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Not often I have found myself in agreement with these two political hacks.

[jdinasia]

Chuck

Strange that Obama mentioned too many deaths of Palestinians, and Abbas denounced the attack but also mentioned provocations.

Far too simplistic to look at the attack in a vacuum.

The mention in the article of the background of the rabbi title was worth noting as well.

[Ulysses G.]

Many people think that Abbas has been purposely using inflammatory and incendiary language to fan the flames. It would not be the first time that he has spoken out of both sides of his mouth.

[Jingthing]

Many people think that Abbas has been purposely using inflammatory and incendiary language to fan the flames. It would not be the first time that he has spoken out of both sides of his mouth.

Yes and politically he might have little choice. He knows he and his party lack lack popularity and that the Hamas terrorist messages have more appeal for the Palestinians, who have been brainwashed from being babies to hate Jews in a racist way, hate Israel, and consider the state of Israel as not legitimate. It's really obvious any potential peaceful solutions are going to be very complicated and take decades. First, those Palestinians need to stop teaching their babies to hate Jews and instead teach them the ACTUAL history of the Jews, including the fact the Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the Israel region. No the actual history of the Jews isn't all good, but what the Palestinians are taught is all bad ... with huge chunks left out entirely.

In Israel at least there is a trend to honestly look more critically at their history, and you don't get murdered by fellow Jews for publishing about that.

In the west bank and Gaza, nothing like that.

Especially Gaza, dissent equals certain death from your fellow Arab brothers.

Reasons to be optimistic for the short term? None.

Long term ... not much more.

I wonder ... if there is still a Thaivisa.com and still a state of Israel in 50 years (OK, both doubtful) how many people think these issues will STILL be unresolved?

Edited November 20, 2014 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

In Israel at least there is a trend to honestly look more critically at their history, and you don't get murdered by fellow Jews for publishing about that.

In the west bank and Gaza, nothing like that.

Especially Gaza, dissent equals certain death from your fellow Arab brothers.

I have noticed that the "Zionist" websites that the usual suspects complain about are pretty much entirely historically accurate. Although they tend to soften negative actions by Israel, they do report them.

On the other hand, every Palestinian "historical" site that I've ever seen was packed with fabrications and not reliable at all. Morch might know of an accurate one, but I have never stumbled upon one.

[Seastallion]

And so the propaganda machine revs it's engines, as I predicted at the beginning of this thread.

Recall the emergency meeting at the UN called by Jordan a few weeks ago to remonstrate about Israel's intentions for Al Aqsa? Netanyahu's subsequent trip to Jordan?

People behind the scenes know very well that the incitement comes from Israel, but slimy Netanyahu spins the blame, very disingenuously, onto Abbas.

I say disingenuously, because after the chief of Israel's Shin Bet security service contradicted Netanyahu ( " “Abu Mazen isn’t interested in terror and isn’t pushing for terror, not even under the table,” Cohen told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, a comment that nearly all Israeli media interpreted as a direct rebuttal to Netanyahu’s accusations. "), Netanyahu had to back away from his claim...." Netanyahu insisted that everything Cohen had told the Knesset committee was “correct,” and that there was no disagreement between him and Cohen on the question of Abbas’s culpability. "

(Abu Mazen is what Israelis call Abbas)

Read more: Why Netanyahu thinks blaming Abbas is vital for peace | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/why-netanyahu-thinks-blaming-abbas-is-vital-for-peace/#ixzz3Jc0isMaV
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[up-country_sinclair]

Blame Hamas for that. They purposely set off rockets from heavily populated areas, convinced civilians to act as human shields, used a hospital as their HQ and fired missles at Israel from its parking lot.

Some background on that:

"If Hamas does not like you for any reason all they have to do now is say you are a Mossad agent and kill you." — A., a Fatah member in Gaza.

"Hamas wanted us butchered so it could win the media war against Israel showing our dead children on TV and then get money from Qatar." — T., former Hamas Ministry officer.

"They would fire rockets and then run away quickly, leaving us to face Israeli bombs for what they did." — D., Gazan journalist.

"Hamas imposed a curfew: anyone walking out in the street was shot. That way people had to stay in their homes, even if they were about to get bombed. Hamas held the whole Gazan population as a human shield." — K., graduate student

"The Israeli army allows supplies to come in and Hamas steals them. It seems even the Israelis care for us more than Hamas." — E., first-aid volunteer.

"We are under Hamas occupation, and if you ask most of us, we would rather be under Israeli occupation… We miss the days when we were able to work inside Israel and make good money. We miss the security and calm Israel provided when it was here." — S., graduate of an American university, former Hamas sympathizer.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes

As I've been suggesting for some time...Hamas WILL lose support if Israel would only strike a deal with Fatah.

But Netanyahu will never strike a deal with Fatah because he doesn't believe in the two state solution and doesn't want peace. The deal was on the table just a few months ago and Israel walked away. And now the Israeli public is suffering the consequences with their blood spilling in the streets--and this will likely continue to do so until they elect representatives who genuinely do want to reach a lasting peace.

[Seastallion]

"If Hamas does not like you for any reason all they have to do now is say you are a Mossad agent and kill you." — A., a Fatah member in Gaza.

"Hamas wanted us butchered so it could win the media war against Israel showing our dead children on TV and then get money from Qatar." — T., former Hamas Ministry officer.

"They would fire rockets and then run away quickly, leaving us to face Israeli bombs for what they did." — D., Gazan journalist.

"Hamas imposed a curfew: anyone walking out in the street was shot. That way people had to stay in their homes, even if they were about to get bombed. Hamas held the whole Gazan population as a human shield." — K., graduate student

"The Israeli army allows supplies to come in and Hamas steals them. It seems even the Israelis care for us more than Hamas." — E., first-aid volunteer.

"We are under Hamas occupation, and if you ask most of us, we would rather be under Israeli occupation… We miss the days when we were able to work inside Israel and make good money. We miss the security and calm Israel provided when it was here." — S., graduate of an American university, former Hamas sympathizer.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4706/gazan-hamas-war-crimes

As I've been suggesting for some time...Hamas WILL lose support if Israel would only strike a deal with Fatah.

But Netanyahu will never strike a deal with Fatah because he doesn't believe in the two state solution and doesn't want peace. The deal was on the table just a few months ago and Israel walked away. And now the Israeli public is suffering the consequences with their blood spilling in the streets--and this will likely continue to do so until they elect representatives who genuinely do want to reach a lasting peace.

Netanyahu will never strike a deal with anybody. He doesn't want any deal. He will continue to shift the goalposts....now he is insisting that Palestine change their education curriculum, or no deal.

Next, when that happens, he will say he can't deal with people who insist their wives wear burkas, because they are a security threat. Any excuse. Prolong it and more settlements occur....eventually the necessary land swaps will be such that it will be impossible to carve the 2 states....and once again, no deal.

[dexterm]

As a matter of interest or deliberate coincidence the synagogue is in the Har Nof neighborhood, built on the site of the former Palestinian village of Deir Yassin, site of a deadly 1948 attack by Jewish terrorist gangs Irgun and Lehi in which 107 Palestinian men, women and children were killed. The leader of the gang was Menachem Begin future PM of Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/.premium-1.627134

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

What goes around comes around.

Rather than pour gas on the fire by disproportionate Israeli retaliation, isn’t it time this 70 year old plus madness was stopped by some sort of sensible detente and realistic peace negotiations?

Edited November 20, 2014 by dexterm

[jdinasia]

I see someone was referencing Gatestone. Ultra conservative think tank that hides its funding.

[dexterm]

In Israel at least there is a trend to honestly look more critically at their history, and you don't get murdered by fellow Jews for publishing about that.

In the west bank and Gaza, nothing like that.

Especially Gaza, dissent equals certain death from your fellow Arab brothers.

I have noticed that the "Zionist" websites that the usual suspects complain about are pretty much entirely historically accurate. Although they tend to soften negative actions by Israel, they do report them.

On the other hand, every Palestinian "historical" site that I've ever seen was packed with fabrications and not reliable at all. Morch might know of an accurate one, but I have never stumbled upon one.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Maybe the truth is getting harder to dissemble on pro Israeli websites.