Obama calls for $6bn US Ebola cash

[beechguy]

You're right, how stupid of me:

Bush's last deficit: $1.2 Trillion

Obama's 2014 deficit (projected): $483 Billion.

So reduced it by nearly 60%, not 50.

My bad.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2014/10/16/stop-and-smell-the-roses-final-2014-federal-deficit-fell-big-time/

I wasn't going to bother to comment, but your ignorance of U.S. politics is a bit embarrassing. Also, perhaps you should follow your own advice, about not letting the facts get in the way of a good moan.

As to follow up on a comment I made in another thread, basically, Obama and crew, got caught running their mouths and the Republicans called their bluff. The fact is, the sequester threat was only to put pressure on the Republicans to negotiate, Obama didn't think they would ever pass anything like that, because of the Defense Budget cuts involved. As usual, he was wrong. The only difference this time, is his mistakes may have saved us money, instead of costing us more.

Of course you don't have to take my word for it, here is one of several articles, from the Washington Post, and there are several from CNN, if you could be bothered to do some research. Is it accurate to say Obama is responsible for the decrease? I suppose so, but to say it was intentional, or smart planning on his part is ridiculous.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html

As to Ebola and Africa, they have my sympathy, but I don't think simply throwing money at the problem is the solution. There are many wonderful people in Africa, but all the aid we have dumped in there over the decades, hasn't very successful. Fact is, with a few exceptions, it is Third World s***hole from top to bottom.

If it was a Republican president, you'd be shouting it from the rooftops.

However you wish to slice it, the fact is that since Obama has been in the Whitehouse, the deficit has been on the decline.

The last time this happened was under another Democratic president, who handed over a surplus to the Republicans, only to see them piss it all away.

Cracks me up that Republicans keep calling the Democrats the spending party yet it's the Republicans that always seem to run up the bills.

"Ignorance of US politics", yeah right, keep 'em coming.

Added: Re: Ebola, it could easily be the US's problem, but I agree that simply throwing money at it not the solution. However, the US has been excellent in providing material support, which is equally vital.

How about regarding my comments, the same as someone advising you, "that your fly is open", if you are content to wander around like that, very well, carry on.

But, to infer that Obama accomplished this, is misleading, either through ignorance, or intentionally distorting the facts.

[Chicog]

Remember the 2009 economic stimulus package? Yep, passed by the Obama administration but on the Bush budget.

Which explains why the 2010-12 deficits were over a trillion. Recession + 800Bn+ spending (up to 2019).

The budgeted deficit for 2015 is 564Bn.

This CBO publish everything don't they?

[Chicog]

How about regarding my comments, the same as someone advising you, "that your fly is open", if you are content to wander around like that, very well, carry on.

But, to infer that Obama accomplished this, is misleading, either through ignorance, or intentionally distorting the facts.

Well you see at least Chuck makes an effort to show his working.

All I see from you is a rather pitiful "You're wrong", which really doesn't contribute much to discussion, does it?

[Chicog]

None of which actually helps decide if it is worth the US spending $6Bn to terminate the current Ebola outbreak.

Time for beer.

[chuckd]

Probably the best summation:

President Bush cut taxes in 2001 and 2003. These tax cuts hit federal revenue, while federal spending growth continued apace. This combination ballooned the deficit in the early years of the Bush presidency.

By the middle years of the Bush presidency, however, on the strength of the housing boom and strong economic growth (much of which now looks like a debt-fueled mirage), federal revenues began to grow rapidly. By 2007, in fact, the gap had almost closed.

But then the bottom fell out. The housing bubble burst, the financial crisis hit, and the economy plunged into recession. And then President Bush handed President Obama the worst recession in more than 70 years and left Obama to clean up the mess.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-budget-deficit-2011-7#ixzz3L8kTcjAb

The recession was officially declared "over" in June 2009.

We are now in the fifth year of the "recovery", which makes it the longest recovery in recorded history.

Yeah, this Obama guy is doing a great job.

PS: You mentioned the increase in oil production and seemed to believe this administration had something to do with it. You need to know the production is due to fracking on "privately held" land, not government.

If anything, this administration has hindered the oil industry by refusing to OK the Keystone pipeline for the past six years and declaring a moratorium on off shore drilling since the BP spill.

No telling how much we could spend on ebola and the dark continent under proper fiscal leadership.\ in the US.

[Ulysses G.]

All I see from you is a rather pitiful "You're wrong", which really doesn't contribute much to discussion, does it?

If is is correct about you being wrong, the discussion should be over.

[Thaiready]

Obama is worse than a drunk sailor, at least a drunk sailor stops spending when he is broke. Obama just borrows more. Worst president of modern times without a doubt.

You obviously missed the thread about Congress's tax bill, and him halving the deficit.

But you know, don't let facts get in the way of a good moan.

halved the deficit.....your delusional

You're right, how stupid of me:

Bush's last deficit: $1.2 Trillion

Obama's 2014 deficit (projected): $483 Billion.

So reduced it by nearly 60%, not 50.

My bad.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2014/10/16/stop-and-smell-the-roses-final-2014-federal-deficit-fell-big-time/

As with must Liberals you can't add 2+2......18 trillion is the debt. Your fearless leader has doubled the debt....for a small fee I'll be happy to teach you basic mathematics... the fact is the sorry excuse for a President has done NOTHING but create a debt that hang over Americans for the next Century.......

Edited December 7, 2014 by Thaiready

[Chicog]

Obama is worse than a drunk sailor, at least a drunk sailor stops spending when he is broke. Obama just borrows more. Worst president of modern times without a doubt.

You obviously missed the thread about Congress's tax bill, and him halving the deficit.

But you know, don't let facts get in the way of a good moan.

halved the deficit.....your delusional

You're right, how stupid of me:

Bush's last deficit: $1.2 Trillion

Obama's 2014 deficit (projected): $483 Billion.

So reduced it by nearly 60%, not 50.

My bad.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2014/10/16/stop-and-smell-the-roses-final-2014-federal-deficit-fell-big-time/

As with must Liberals you can't add 2+2......18 trillion is the debt. Your fearless leader has doubled the debt....for a small fee I'll be happy to teach you basic mathematics... the fact is the sorry excuse for a President has done NOTHING but create a debt that hang over Americans for the next Century.......

You still have not grasped the relationship between the debt and the deficit.

[inbangkok]

Obama is worse than a drunk sailor, at least a drunk sailor stops spending when he is broke. Obama just borrows more. Worst president of modern times without a doubt.

You obviously missed the thread about Congress's tax bill, and him halving the deficit.

But you know, don't let facts get in the way of a good moan.

halved the deficit.....your delusional

You're right, how stupid of me:

Bush's last deficit: $1.2 Trillion

Obama's 2014 deficit (projected): $483 Billion.

So reduced it by nearly 60%, not 50.

My bad.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2014/10/16/stop-and-smell-the-roses-final-2014-federal-deficit-fell-big-time/

As with must Liberals you can't add 2+2......18 trillion is the debt. Your fearless leader has doubled the debt....for a small fee I'll be happy to teach you basic mathematics... the fact is the sorry excuse for a President has done NOTHING but create a debt that hang over Americans for the next Century.......

You still have not grasped the relationship between the debt and the deficit.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Very, very unfortunate that people do not know the difference between these.....while at the same time acting like a total "know it all" fool.

[NeverSure]

You're right, how stupid of me:

Bush's last deficit: $1.2 Trillion

Obama's 2014 deficit (projected): $483 Billion.

So reduced it by nearly 60%, not 50.

My bad.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2014/10/16/stop-and-smell-the-roses-final-2014-federal-deficit-fell-big-time/

I wasn't going to bother to comment, but your ignorance of U.S. politics is a bit embarrassing. Also, perhaps you should follow your own advice, about not letting the facts get in the way of a good moan.

As to follow up on a comment I made in another thread, basically, Obama and crew, got caught running their mouths and the Republicans called their bluff. The fact is, the sequester threat was only to put pressure on the Republicans to negotiate, Obama didn't think they would ever pass anything like that, because of the Defense Budget cuts involved. As usual, he was wrong. The only difference this time, is his mistakes may have saved us money, instead of costing us more.

Of course you don't have to take my word for it, here is one of several articles, from the Washington Post, and there are several from CNN, if you could be bothered to do some research. Is it accurate to say Obama is responsible for the decrease? I suppose so, but to say it was intentional, or smart planning on his part is ridiculous.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html

As to Ebola and Africa, they have my sympathy, but I don't think simply throwing money at the problem is the solution. There are many wonderful people in Africa, but all the aid we have dumped in there over the decades, hasn't very successful. Fact is, with a few exceptions, it is Third World s***hole from top to bottom.

-snip-

The last time this happened was under another Democratic president, who handed over a surplus to the Republicans, only to see them piss it all away.

"The last time this happened was under another Democratic president, who handed over a surplus to the Republicans, only to see them piss it all away."

Would you mind please telling me just which Democrat president this was? (Hint, do some googling before you answer about the last two years of a certain president's budgets. This is a loaded question.)

Edited December 7, 2014 by NeverSure

[Chicog]

"The last time this happened was under another Democratic president, who handed over a surplus to the Republicans, only to see them piss it all away."

Would you mind please telling me just which Democrat president this was? (Hint, do some googling before you answer about the last two years of a certain president's budgets. This is a loaded question.)

Since it's a loaded question, you might as well just make your point.

[lannarebirth]

Remember the 2009 economic stimulus package? Yep, passed by the Obama administration but on the Bush budget.

Which explains why the 2010-12 deficits were over a trillion. Recession + 800Bn+ spending (up to 2019).

The budgeted deficit for 2015 is 564Bn.

This CBO publish everything don't they?

Thank "the sequester". Bad politics by both parties by not targeting cuts, but it helped reduce the deficit substantially. Still, any deficit is too much.

Edited December 7, 2014 by lannarebirth

[Chicog]

The recession was officially declared "over" in June 2009.

We are now in the fifth year of the "recovery", which makes it the longest recovery in recorded history.

Yeah, this Obama guy is doing a great job.

PS: You mentioned the increase in oil production and seemed to believe this administration had something to do with it. You need to know the production is due to fracking on "privately held" land, not government.

If anything, this administration has hindered the oil industry by refusing to OK the Keystone pipeline for the past six years and declaring a moratorium on off shore drilling since the BP spill.

No telling how much we could spend on ebola and the dark continent under proper fiscal leadership.\ in the US.

As far as I'm concerned the length of the recovery is commensurate with the damage done. It wasn't just America's economy that was in the toilet, they managed to trash most others as well (or perhaps that's harsh, because a lot of them did it to themselves). If you aren't selling things overseas, you aren't paying workers, there is less money in the economy to buy locally, and so on; especially damaging in an economy like the US which is mostly consumer driven. I don't think car sales recovered for four years? But now not only is job creation at Clinton levels, but wages are on the rise. I'd would have liked to hear how you think, say, Romney would have improved things with his own economic plan. Then I remember that he didn't actually have one. So I'd be interested to hear how you would have handled it, but that's definitely a separate discussion.

As far as oil is concerned, I don't see how Keystone would possibly help US oil production, since it's designed to carry Canadian oil to refineries and export terminals; it seems to benefit Canada rather than the US. It does, of course, benefit those pesky Koch Brothers, who know how to get a return on their investment, and I understand that even people like Boehner have their own little nest eggs awaiting if it is approved.

As for the moratorium on offshore drilling, I'm all for controlling it. If there is oil there, it's not going anywhere, and after the disaster of Horizon there is absolutely nothing wrong with demanding every precaution imaginable before deepwater drilling is allowed to resume.

As for the $6.18Bn, it seems much it is is destined for Labs and Specialist treatment centres in the US; sounds like a job creator to me, so I'm sure Boehner will go for it.

[EyesWideOpen]

China is the country that is stripping the wealth of Africa. Shouldn't they be the ones

trying to stop Ebola there ?? America is flat broke, they should not be sending one

dollar overseas.....

[Scott]

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[Chicog]

China is the country that is stripping the wealth of Africa. Shouldn't they be the ones

trying to stop Ebola there ?? America is flat broke, they should not be sending one

dollar overseas.....

And if the Chinese do nothing?

[rotary]

Obama is worse than a drunk sailor, at least a drunk sailor stops spending when he is broke. Obama just borrows more. Worst president of modern times without a doubt.

You obviously missed the thread about Congress's tax bill, and him halving the deficit.

But you know, don't let facts get in the way of a good moan.

Well Obama made a good part of that debt so he should cut it but if the 'real' facts are known I would guess nothing but spin magic that Harry Reid would be jealous of because not his idea.

Obama is a stranger to the truth & a master at spinning tall tales, has never really held any real job and his goal is to open the gates to illegal immigrants to get more democratic votes. Just say Obama and Jimmy Carter smiles as he knows he has been replaced as the worst president of modern times.

[Chicog]

What is going on with this editor?!

[MJP]

Ebola case confirmed in Glasgow hospital

A healthcare worker who has just returned from West Africa has been diagnosed with Ebola and is being treated in hospital in Glasgow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30628349

[MJP]

Ebola case confirmed in Scotland – live updates

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2014/dec/29/ebola-case-confirmed-in-scotland