Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[bannork]

Thailand is officially the centre of the drugs trade in South East Asia confirm Thai officials.

And people wonder why the Island mafia "elite" are been protected in this case.

Drug money.

Look at Mr Big Ear policeman, looks like he is having a blast on a crack pipe.

That island needs cleansing of all the excrement...from the very top.

And where do all the methamphetamines and heroin come from?

Myanmar.

[DennisF]

catsanddogs, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:34, said:

thailandchilli, on 14 Dec 2014 - 11:07, said:

***needed some of the starting quotes****

Hard to imagine but easy enough to stage by the puppet masters

And a punch with one of those vile rings (whatever they're called) might be likely to cause both the bruise and the the cut at the same time.

There may have been more than one person wearing one of those rings that night. I came across the attached photo some time ago. It is from the man's own FB page.

Isn't that the RTP "friend" of the AC bar owner who joined in to threaten and chase Sean into the 7Eleven? (the f----r on the right)

Photo taken by Sean from behind the 7Eleven counter - left owner of AC bar known as a violent weapons lover. Right his friend who (how convenient) is a Koh Tao policeman...

He seems to wear the rings with the ray teeth on both hands!

Bit of a misconception. the guy does not own the AC bar, the headman does, this is his brother, who owns the Intouch bar and manages the AC bar.

The lowlife next to him is a policeman, the one, allegedly, who collects the 500bht a month from the Burmese and id the headmans enforcer, again allegedly.

He is a good entrepreneur too as from nothing he managed to build and own a resort on the island.

Pretty good going on his salary.

[DennisF]

I wonder who the 2 Burmese guys think committed the crime. They must have an opinion as they worked on the island and one at AC bar.

If they're really innocent they would have tried to clear their name and name other suspects. And none of the other Burmese friends at the island have come forward to defend them . Clearly because they believe they are guilty.

<deleted>

Once again your keen insight and intellect have floored these CP nutters.

Despite your late entry into the thread you have brought a real value to it with your moral crusader status.

You now tell us ( and thank you) that the B2 are indeed guilty and know who did it so they should expose them.

Further, with your keen sense of investigation, you inform us that the other Burmese know they did it too.

Wow, even the 4 crusty apologists could not be so incisive after thousands of posts.

You really should find another hobby, you come across as petulant and pathetic with little or no knowledge of this case.

You criticise the spacebook page and yet have never even seen it as you dont play ( its not played incidentally, its not a game) spacebook.

No offense intended.

[balo]

I wonder who the 2 Burmese guys think committed the crime. They must have an opinion as they worked on the island and one at AC bar.

If they're really innocent they would have tried to clear their name and name other suspects. And none of the other Burmese friends at the island have come forward to defend them . Clearly because they believe they are guilty.

<deleted>

Once again your keen insight and intellect have floored these CP nutters.

Despite your late entry into the thread you have brought a real value to it with your moral crusader status.

You now tell us ( and thank you) that the B2 are indeed guilty and know who did it so they should expose them.

Further, with your keen sense of investigation, you inform us that the other Burmese know they did it too.

Wow, even the 4 crusty apologists could not be so incisive after thousands of posts.

You really should find another hobby, you come across as petulant and pathetic with little or no knowledge of this case.

You criticise the spacebook page and yet have never even seen it as you dont play ( its not played incidentally, its not a game) spacebook.

No offense intended.

I never said they were guilty , but if they know something they should give us names of suspects, they have good lawyers now to represent them and a trial is coming up soon , if they know something they will speak. The whole world is watchng so they dont have anything to lose by telling the truth.

However if they are the killers theres not much to add to the case.

[DennisF]

I wonder who the 2 Burmese guys think committed the crime. They must have an opinion as they worked on the island and one at AC bar.

If they're really innocent they would have tried to clear their name and name other suspects. And none of the other Burmese friends at the island have come forward to defend them . Clearly because they believe they are guilty.

<deleted>

Once again your keen insight and intellect have floored these CP nutters.

Despite your late entry into the thread you have brought a real value to it with your moral crusader status.

You now tell us ( and thank you) that the B2 are indeed guilty and know who did it so they should expose them.

Further, with your keen sense of investigation, you inform us that the other Burmese know they did it too.

Wow, even the 4 crusty apologists could not be so incisive after thousands of posts.

You really should find another hobby, you come across as petulant and pathetic with little or no knowledge of this case.

You criticise the spacebook page and yet have never even seen it as you dont play ( its not played incidentally, its not a game) spacebook.

No offense intended.

I never said they were guilty , but if they know something they should give us names of suspects, they have good lawyers now to represent them and a trial is coming up soon , if they know something they will speak. The whole world is watchng so they dont have anything to lose by telling the truth.

However if they are the killers theres not much to add to the case.

That is absolutely NOT what you said at all.

Read your post again, not sure if you are a NES or not but, you implied VERY strongly that they are guilty.

If you do not write clearly so people understand fully, best not to write at all.

To do so shows whizzdumb rather than wisdom.

[CharlieH]

Off topic removed

[IslandLover]

BoristheBlade, on 19 Dec 2014 - 03:53, said:BoristheBlade, on 19 Dec 2014 - 03:53, said:

Thailand is officially the centre of the drugs trade in South East Asia confirm Thai officials.

And people wonder why the Island mafia "elite" are been protected in this case.

Drug money.

Look at Mr Big Ear policeman, looks like he is having a blast on a crack pipe.

That island needs cleansing of all the excrement...from the very top.

Look at Mr Big Ear policeman, looks like he is having a blast on a crack pipe.

That's exactly what I thought too, but regardless of whatever it is he is/isn't smoking, when people put up pictures of themselves on their personal fb which can been seen by anybody with a fb account, they only have themselves to blame if such pictures open them up to ridicule and/or suspicion. On the other hand I imagine this guy regards himself as so "untouchable" that he doesn't care what people think.

Edited December 19, 2014 by IslandLover

[Luang]

even the CCTV footage from the crime night, which shows Nomsod.

That is your opinion and your opinion, as much as it may hurt your ego, is not a fact or evidence of anything.

It's also the opinion of hundreds of thousands of others who have compared the video footage with photos of Nomsod. And it could be used as evidence against him - even though that would anger the gang of 4, and Thai officials. But rest easy, dude. Even if the B2 are acquitted, none of the Headman's people will be indicted. They're already clear, and will remain so. That's ensured by the Headman and his friends in high places.

"It's also the opinion of hundreds of thousands of others"

When you make up things like that, do you honestly think you sound convincing?

Not made up.....completely factual. You choose to lie and cheat like your Thai Police and criminal friends, then fine. We see you!

[aimbc]

What people believe doesn't matter, this is a criminal case, facts are what matters.

You must be a hoot to go to a party with. BTW, this is an online discussion, not a criminal court in session. As such, people surmise, they make suggestions, offer scenarios as they perceive them, add professional advice/insight, make mistakes, reveal evidence, ....whatever. You want to play ball in a criminal court, go to a criminal court. If you want to discuss this issue, go ahead and join us in a discussion.

AleG already made it clear that he wants to wait till the trial starts. But he still wants to put his two cents in. What some people will do for attention.

[boomerangutang]

If they're (the B2) really innocent they would have tried to clear their name and name other suspects. And none of the other Burmese friends at the island have come forward to defend them . Clearly because they believe they are guilty.

You're wrong twice. Their friends have come forward. The 3rd Burmese for one, and Burmese attorneys have said some others, among a group of 40, indicated they had witness accounts. In you last sentence, who is 'they'? If 'they believe they're guilty' refer to the Thai officials or T.Visa's 'Gang of 4,' then yes, you'all do believe they're guilty. Everyone else is more open-minded and generally believes in 'innocent until proven guilty.'

Also; to 'name other suspects' will probably not be allowed in the Thai court. I venture the judge, when hearing other peoples' names mentioned (who relate to the Headman) will likely want to gag such testimony.

[CRUNCHER]

even the CCTV footage from the crime night, which shows Nomsod.

That is your opinion and your opinion, as much as it may hurt your ego, is not a fact or evidence of anything.

It's also the opinion of hundreds of thousands of others who have compared the video footage with photos of Nomsod. And it could be used as evidence against him - even though that would anger the gang of 4, and Thai officials. But rest easy, dude. Even if the B2 are acquitted, none of the Headman's people will be indicted. They're already clear, and will remain so. That's ensured by the Headman and his friends in high places.

"It's also the opinion of hundreds of thousands of others"

When you make up things like that, do you honestly think you sound convincing?

Not made up.....completely factual. You choose to lie and cheat like your Thai Police and criminal friends, then fine. We see you!

Could you please state the source of your statistic that hundreds of thousands of people have a particular opinion.

I am not asking about what is on the CCTV footage, the number of views of the CCTV footage or even who is or is not guilty of this horrible crime. I would just like to test the credibility of your claim as to numbers with a particular opinion and with it your own credibility.

Edited December 20, 2014 by CRUNCHER

[AleG]

even the CCTV footage from the crime night, which shows Nomsod.

That is your opinion and your opinion, as much as it may hurt your ego, is not a fact or evidence of anything.

It's also the opinion of hundreds of thousands of others who have compared the video footage with photos of Nomsod. And it could be used as evidence against him - even though that would anger the gang of 4, and Thai officials. But rest easy, dude. Even if the B2 are acquitted, none of the Headman's people will be indicted. They're already clear, and will remain so. That's ensured by the Headman and his friends in high places.

"It's also the opinion of hundreds of thousands of others"

When you make up things like that, do you honestly think you sound convincing?

Not made up.....completely factual. You choose to lie and cheat like your Thai Police and criminal friends, then fine. We see you!

If it's completely factual show it, show us that boomerangutang claim is true.

After you fail at that be more careful of who you call a cheater and a liar.

Finally you may want to support the argument that, because some number of people have an opinion on something, that something becomes a fact.

[balo]

If they're (the B2) really innocent they would have tried to clear their name and name other suspects. And none of the other Burmese friends at the island have come forward to defend them . Clearly because they believe they are guilty.

You're wrong twice. Their friends have come forward. The 3rd Burmese for one, and Burmese attorneys have said some others, among a group of 40, indicated they had witness accounts. In you last sentence, who is 'they'? If 'they believe they're guilty' refer to the Thai officials or T.Visa's 'Gang of 4,' then yes, you'all do believe they're guilty. Everyone else is more open-minded and generally believes in 'innocent until proven guilty.'

Also; to 'name other suspects' will probably not be allowed in the Thai court. I venture the judge, when hearing other peoples' names mentioned (who relate to the Headman) will likely want to gag such testimony.

Why do you think so? Do you have any experience from Thai courts ? Do you not believe in fair trials in Thailand, with a normal , experienced judge following the rules according to Thai law? Of course new witnesses are allowed to give their testimonies if they do exist. Or do you think that the judge will be bribed by the headman...

Edited December 20, 2014 by balo

[JLCrab]

I would think even in the USA it would difficult to 'name' other suspects as, unless there was some direct evidence introduced, it would be considered as hearsay and inadmissible.

Edited December 20, 2014 by JLCrab

[flyingdoc]

I have talked to many Thais, friends and acquaintances alike, including one whose brother is a judge!

Not a single one believes the Burmese boys are the real culprits. Why not?

[StealthEnergiser]

I have talked to many Thais, friends and acquaintances alike, including one whose brother is a judge!

Not a single one believes the Burmese boys are the real culprits. Why not?

Maybe it has something to do with mafia families on the island .

“Five Myanmar workers returning from Thailand came from Koh Tao. Thailand told witnesses to stay away from the case and bribed them not to make telephone conversations. That’s why some workers are afraid to testify,” said Aung Myo Than.

http://www.elevenmyanmar.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8443%3Agovernment-to-pay-koh-tao-defence-witness-expenses&catid=44%3Anational&Itemid=384

[boomerangutang]

Could you please state the source of your statistic that hundreds of thousands of people have a particular opinion.

I am not asking about what is on the CCTV footage, the number of views of the CCTV footage or even who is or is not guilty of this horrible crime. I would just like to test the credibility of your claim as to numbers with a particular opinion and with it your own credibility.

Sure, how about the same press conference where the self-appointed PM puts forth statistics of why pretty young farang women wearing bikinis should not be surprised if they get raped at Thai beach resorts. Or perhaps the same press conference where a top Thai policeman puts forth statistics proving 'No Thais could have done this' - in regard to the KT murders/rape.

[DennisF]

Could you please state the source of your statistic that hundreds of thousands of people have a particular opinion.

I am not asking about what is on the CCTV footage, the number of views of the CCTV footage or even who is or is not guilty of this horrible crime. I would just like to test the credibility of your claim as to numbers with a particular opinion and with it your own credibility.

Sure, how about the same press conference where the self-appointed PM puts forth statistics of why pretty young farang women wearing bikinis should not be surprised if they get raped at Thai beach resorts. Or perhaps the same press conference where a top Thai policeman puts forth statistics proving 'No Thais could have done this' - in regard to the KT murders/rape.

@ CRUNCHER

Why would you want to test the credibility of another poster who gives his opinion?

If you want those kind of statistics, best to go to a professional source like the many major TV news stations that are focusing on this case and the innocence of the B2.

The GOVERNMENT of these 2 guys has taken fiscal and political responsibility for them, declaring their innocence.

Relationships with Thailand could seriously be affected by this case and that will be bad news for Thailand, Myanmar can survive it.

Major human rights groups have declared their unease about the prosecution.

There has been enormous INTERNATIONAL condemnation of the RTP investigation and their methods.

The TOP pathologist in Thailand has declared the evidence collection as extremely flawed and spoken ofg the lack of qualified personnel on the scene.

How much evidence do you need that there are a substantial number of people that believe in the B2 innocence?

[JohnThailandJohn]

Could you please state the source of your statistic that hundreds of thousands of people have a particular opinion.

I am not asking about what is on the CCTV footage, the number of views of the CCTV footage or even who is or is not guilty of this horrible crime. I would just like to test the credibility of your claim as to numbers with a particular opinion and with it your own credibility.

Sure, how about the same press conference where the self-appointed PM puts forth statistics of why pretty young farang women wearing bikinis should not be surprised if they get raped at Thai beach resorts. Or perhaps the same press conference where a top Thai policeman puts forth statistics proving 'No Thais could have done this' - in regard to the KT murders/rape.

I thought PM stated his remarks didn't come out right and apologized. Also, what statistics did he share?

And which top policeman put forth the claim in a press conference, any link you can share?

[berybert]

Could you please state the source of your statistic that hundreds of thousands of people have a particular opinion.

I am not asking about what is on the CCTV footage, the number of views of the CCTV footage or even who is or is not guilty of this horrible crime. I would just like to test the credibility of your claim as to numbers with a particular opinion and with it your own credibility.

Sure, how about the same press conference where the self-appointed PM puts forth statistics of why pretty young farang women wearing bikinis should not be surprised if they get raped at Thai beach resorts. Or perhaps the same press conference where a top Thai policeman puts forth statistics proving 'No Thais could have done this' - in regard to the KT murders/rape.

I thought PM stated his remarks didn't come out right and apologized. Also, what statistics did he share?

And which top policeman put forth the claim in a press conference, any link you can share?

Why do you need links to everything ? If given a link you will then change its meaning and use it to continue on your merry way.

[maxme]

Thanks StealthEnergizer for posting those news articles from early days in the investigation. People need to be reminded, in order to make a measured assessment of how the investigation has devolved. It was right after the taxi driver made his revelation (of payment-for-false-testimony), that the first head cop was replaced by the 2nd. Many concerned people thought the replacement head cop would be better,after seeing the blunderings of the initial head cop, but lo and hehold..... the replacement head cop was 10 times worse.

Right after the 2nd guy took the driver's seat, the B3 were arrested, and those who should have remained primes suspects, were dropped like a lead zeppelin. Then the amazingly quick DNA test results from B2 (one of the B dropped to become a side show), and the reenactment, which was as realistic as Mighty Mouse dropping Fat Boy on Hiroshima. Then Thai officialdom stepped back and hoped the frame-up would stick. It very obviously didn't, as there was uproar from every non-official quarter. However, the toothpaste was out of the tube, and Thai officialdom has had no choice but continue to goose-step down the muddy road they've created.

"and those who should have remained primes suspects, were dropped like a lead zeppelin"

How inconsiderate of them, to go after the people that the evidence pointed at instead of those you want to see punished because you just know they are guilty.

Oh, yes, I forgot, the evidence is all fake, part of a vast conspiracy to frame the two Burmese men.

And your proof against these two men is based on...

[AleG]

Thanks StealthEnergizer for posting those news articles from early days in the investigation. People need to be reminded, in order to make a measured assessment of how the investigation has devolved. It was right after the taxi driver made his revelation (of payment-for-false-testimony), that the first head cop was replaced by the 2nd. Many concerned people thought the replacement head cop would be better,after seeing the blunderings of the initial head cop, but lo and hehold..... the replacement head cop was 10 times worse.

Right after the 2nd guy took the driver's seat, the B3 were arrested, and those who should have remained primes suspects, were dropped like a lead zeppelin. Then the amazingly quick DNA test results from B2 (one of the B dropped to become a side show), and the reenactment, which was as realistic as Mighty Mouse dropping Fat Boy on Hiroshima. Then Thai officialdom stepped back and hoped the frame-up would stick. It very obviously didn't, as there was uproar from every non-official quarter. However, the toothpaste was out of the tube, and Thai officialdom has had no choice but continue to goose-step down the muddy road they've created.

"and those who should have remained primes suspects, were dropped like a lead zeppelin"

How inconsiderate of them, to go after the people that the evidence pointed at instead of those you want to see punished because you just know they are guilty.

Oh, yes, I forgot, the evidence is all fake, part of a vast conspiracy to frame the two Burmese men.

And your proof against these two men is based on...

I said evidence, not proof; proof is derived from evidence, the evidence is what the police collected and will be presented during the trial to be examined by the judge and countered, if possible, by the defense.

[rockingrobin]

My take on the whole affair is that the investigation became toxic for all concerned and they needed to get out quicker than an house on fire

There are many questions still left unanswered and maybe the trial will be enlightening but what i can say is the sceneria presented does not fit with the facts as we know them

Finally i would just like to comment on the parents powerful and convincing remark, when people make such comments to myself I
also remind them there was a certain magician on the tv in the 80s who also appeared powerful and convincing even though we already it was an illusion. Not everything is always what it seems.

[maxme]

Thanks StealthEnergizer for posting those news articles from early days in the investigation. People need to be reminded, in order to make a measured assessment of how the investigation has devolved. It was right after the taxi driver made his revelation (of payment-for-false-testimony), that the first head cop was replaced by the 2nd. Many concerned people thought the replacement head cop would be better,after seeing the blunderings of the initial head cop, but lo and hehold..... the replacement head cop was 10 times worse.

Right after the 2nd guy took the driver's seat, the B3 were arrested, and those who should have remained primes suspects, were dropped like a lead zeppelin. Then the amazingly quick DNA test results from B2 (one of the B dropped to become a side show), and the reenactment, which was as realistic as Mighty Mouse dropping Fat Boy on Hiroshima. Then Thai officialdom stepped back and hoped the frame-up would stick. It very obviously didn't, as there was uproar from every non-official quarter. However, the toothpaste was out of the tube, and Thai officialdom has had no choice but continue to goose-step down the muddy road they've created.

"and those who should have remained primes suspects, were dropped like a lead zeppelin"

How inconsiderate of them, to go after the people that the evidence pointed at instead of those you want to see punished because you just know they are guilty.

Oh, yes, I forgot, the evidence is all fake, part of a vast conspiracy to frame the two Burmese men.

And your proof against these two men is based on...

I said evidence, not proof; proof is derived from evidence, the evidence is what the police collected and will be presented during the trial to be examined by the judge and countered, if possible, by the defense.

OK then, whichever you like. Where is the evidence?

[AleG]

And your proof against these two men is based on...

I said evidence, not proof; proof is derived from evidence, the evidence is what the police collected and will be presented during the trial to be examined by the judge and countered, if possible, by the defense.

OK then, whichever you like. Where is the evidence?

Soon in a court in Koh Samui.

[aimbc]

And your proof against these two men is based on...

I said evidence, not proof; proof is derived from evidence, the evidence is what the police collected and will be presented during the trial to be examined by the judge and countered, if possible, by the defense.

OK then, whichever you like. Where is the evidence?

Soon in a court in Koh Samui.

Wow, brilliantly answered. It took you how many post to come to this conclusion? You could have saved all the trouble by making this statement for anyone sharing their views on this forum at the very beginning.

But as you can see this is a forum. We discuss and share ideas. But since you have no ideas to share, why are you commenting any way? You should follow your own advice to every one and wait till the trial start.

[Scott]

Please stay on topic and refrain from baiting other members into needless arguments.

[boomerangutang]

Pardon me, maybe I suffer from OCD, but am compelled to again list the things which Thai cops either didn't look in to, or looked in to and decided it would implicate the Headman's people (Mon, Nomsod, Stingray man, Mon's cop friend) ....so they trashed it. BTW, Ms Porntip, Thailand's premier forensic investigator, has mentioned the same thing which I've been mentioning several times in these threads: Thai police should not be at the vanguard of crime scene investigations. Police are trained in being police, investigators are trained in investigating crimes. Medical personnel are trained in obtaining and typing DNA. In this case, regular police have been assigned to do many investigative things which are outside their field of expertise. Plus they're objective and discouraged to mention anything which may differ with what their superiors want to see. Anyhow, here's my partial list:

>>> ascertain what weapon(s) killed David.

>>> Take a 2nd, very close look at the hoe, to make sure whether it contains any DNA other than from Hannah's blood.

>>> Thoroughly search for any clues which relate to bloody clothes. Thus far, we're led to believe there were no bloody clothes/shoes outside the crime scene. Check any and all laundry facilities on the island.

>>> Look closely at the CCTV footage. It obviously doesn't show either of the B2. Who is shown? Why does he wear a different color pair of shorts in each video?

>>> The shorts at the crime scene: do they still exist (or been destroyed?). There must be some residual DNA on them.

>>> Nomsod's mother. Haven't heard a peep about her. Does he have one? If so, she must know something.

>>> Phone history. It's very likely all the Headman's people now have new sim cards. However, there must be records of calls from the fateful night.

>>> scenario in the bar prior to the crime that night. It's obvious why police don't make any mention of it, and they don't want us prying in to that.

>>> speedboat operators. There was some mention in the 1st days of the investigation. But again, if cops found anything which might implicate the Headman's people, they're going to stuff it.

>>> full body searches of all suspects, including Headman's people. Unfortunately, it's late now to do so, but there still may be scars. This sounds weird but, a medical expert should look at each man's penis. Why? because nothing will enrage a man as much as having teeth or fingernails damage his willy. There was a fatal eruption of rage that night. What triggered it?

>>> Interview Sean

>>> Nomsod's barber: has he been questioned? Same for his g.f. and other friends in Bkk.

>>> Bank accounts of top brass involved with case. Any unusual activity since crime?

.....the above is a partial list of what cops either didn't look into, or did look into and didn't like what they saw, because it implicates the Headman's people.

[Willy Eckerslike]

Check this out...............

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/785531-myanmar-embassy-seeking-defence-witnesses-for-koh-tao-accused/page-4#entry8833214

[DennisF]

Check this out...............

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/785531-myanmar-embassy-seeking-defence-witnesses-for-koh-tao-accused/page-4#entry8833214

Just did. That scenario is less likely than the turtles coming ashore and attacking people.