Letter from two accused of Koh Tao murders to Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Myanmar Democracy icon

[mcm991]

This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

Thanks, Panya was promoted a week after your claim.

Yes he was. That does not mean that he did not say it though.

Edit to add: When police cleared Nomsod in one sentence ....... as far as you were concerned it was the end of the story ..... never to be revisited. He was in Bangkok - cleared, innocent, period, end of any suspicion. You must have said it to me a dozen times not to mention other posters. Nomsod was clear. Police had cleared him ... he could not have been on the island.

But when the B2 were cleared ......... not really so clear after all.

Alas, "the B2" were not cleared.

I'll be pedantic for a sec .........

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation. - said Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee

so... they were cleared.

[Krenjai]

Looking at this again.......so he wants to meet up with his mate but then fells asleep?? HUH? This guy looks like he can swallow a dozen of B52's and still be fit for another dozen Changs and a couple of Thai Wiskeys before passing out, so falling asleep?? I know you tried to save her???? HUH??? How can you say something like that? Unless.......yes! (I thought they were about to have sex when the B2 hit him with a hoe according to the RTP?)

Daily Mail link can be supplied, not sure if I can post that,

Devastated Sean wrote on Facebook:

"My mate Dave lost his life on koh Tao. We were meant to meet up when we found out we were both there at the same time but I fell asleep.

"He was killed that night. I feel f****** terrible.

"I loved you so f****** much brother. I know you tried to save her.

"You are the most honourable guy I’ve ever met. I will miss you terribly.

"I’m sorry I didn’t come out with you that night. Really my heart is breaking."

Edited December 13, 2014 by Krenjai

[catsanddogs]

Old news yes, but in whose hands is this alleged photograph taken by British witness I wonder?

November 3, 2014

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/What-about-bar-manager-accused-of-harassing-victim-30246806.html

What about bar manager accused of harassing victim at Koh Tao?

A British witness had taken a photo of two men pestering the female victim not long before she was raped and murdered. He went to her assistance. One of the two troublemakers identified by the British witness and appearing in the photo is the bar manager. He is the bar owner's brother or nephew.

The press reported that he refused to take a DNA test after the murders. And the British witness sought protection from the British Embassy in Bangkok after receiving death threats over the Internet.

The public has every right to point out lapses by the police in the investigation of a homicide. A trained crime investigator takes nothing for granted. Since the bar manager, a close relative of the bar owner, was (allegedly) groping and annoying the victim before her rape and murder, police could rightfully scrutinise him and other male relatives of his who were - or could have been - in the vicinity at the time of the murders.

If the manager of the bar took a DNA test that ruled him out as a suspect in the rape, then the press failed to report it and the public is right in demanding he take the test.

Did police ever look into the death threats made against the British witness to trace their source? That might lead to the rapists and murderers.

The press did not consider the possibility. They must not overlook it. The public must not be intimidated by an inept policeman who has no business in this matter.

[AleG]

Why would David take his iPhone out with him if he had a cheap burner phone?

That defies buying the cheap local one,

Because he keeps data in his regular phone that he may want to access? because and iPhone can use WiFi to access Internet but a Samsung Hero can't? because the camera on the phone takes better pictures?, etc, etc...

So your making assumptions and not based on any hard facts then? Your speculating why he would carry two phones pretty much the same as other people speculating that maybe the phone wasn't his?

Yes, that's why the word probably was placed there.

If you don't want answers, why do you ask?

[Fat Haggis]

I'm happy enough with your responses Alex, you have opened your mind up a little bit ?

[AleG]

Why would David take his iPhone out with him if he had a cheap burner phone?

That defies buying the cheap local one,

Because he keeps data in his regular phone that he may want to access? because and iPhone can use WiFi to access Internet but a Samsung Hero can't? because the camera on the phone takes better pictures?, etc, etc...

Samsung Hero???????? who ever said the phone found on the beach was a Samsung Hero ??????

I read it somewhere, I can't find the link. Let's see what turns out at the trial then.

[Willy Eckerslike]

Why would David take his iPhone out with him if he had a cheap burner phone?

That defies buying the cheap local one,

Because he keeps data in his regular phone that he may want to access? because and iPhone can use WiFi to access Internet but a Samsung Hero can't? because the camera on the phone takes better pictures?, etc, etc...

So your making assumptions and not based on any hard facts then? Your speculating why he would carry two phones pretty much the same as other people speculating that maybe the phone wasn't his?

Yes, that's why the word probably was placed there.

If you don't want answers, why do you ask?

I do not see the word probably in your above quote,

Question, how do you know the phone found on the beach is a Samsung Hero?

EDIT, Apologies you were answering my earlier question whilst I was asking it again...............

Edited December 13, 2014 by Willy Eckerslike

[Fat Haggis]

Speculating again old chap? Were you not roasting me about a post I made about reading about the " planted trousers that was thought to be blood stains" somewhere on TVF but you dismissed the post as it didn't have links?

My my my Alex old chap your hole you're digging for yourself seems to be getting a bit deep ? You reached the water table yet? ?

Edited December 13, 2014 by Fat Haggis

[AleG]

Speculating again old chap? Were you not roasting me about a post I made about reading about the " planted trousers that was thought to be blood stains" somewhere on TVF but you dismissed the post as it didn't have links?

My my my Alex old chap your hole you're digging for yourself seems to be getting a bit deep ? You reached the water table yet? ?

No, I'm not digging myself in a hole, that takes someone that, when shown to be wrong, continues to hold on to their notions.

If later on it turns out that the phone was a different model or brand I'd be so very, very ashamed, since obviously the case hinges on such important details; it's not something minor as police allegedly planting blood stained pants in a suspects luggage.

Edited December 13, 2014 by AleG

[Fat Haggis]

No you wouldn't ? you'd just so what most other people do forget they said it!! Why feel ashamed?

Nothing wrong with getting things wrong from time to time it's having the humility to admit it, and apologise and move on, Nothing to feel ashamed about , however I detect a great deal of sarcasm in your answer so it's business as usual !! ?

[AleG]

No you wouldn't ? you'd just so what most other people do forget they said it!! Why feel ashamed?

Nothing wrong with getting things wrong from time to time it's having the humility to admit it, and apologise and move on, Nothing to feel ashamed about , however I detect a great deal of sarcasm in your answer so it's business as usual !! ?

Yes, sarcasm, because you resort to nitpicking a completely irrelevant detail while not batting an eyelid over mayor things like the misinformation of police planting bloody pants in a suspects luggage.

I'll tell you what, ask this guy if he remembers were that was reported.

[Mooner]

This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victims body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

So... what is this DNA match that makes you so confident of their guilt @JD? I don't see it.

Edit to add: is that why the cigarrete is so important?

The link you supplied is from Sep 18th when everything was still pointing to Mon & Nomsod as stated by the RTP, there was no DNA match at that time, however after the RTP replaced the head investigator on Sep 23rd, EUREKA, we have a match!

Are you referring to Panya?

No to EUREKA the magicman

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

Seems hard to believe that it was a different 3 Burmese that were obviously tested as they were seen in line and were in the first group of suspects obviously after they hunted down Chris Ware with stories of a jealous gay rage cause a Thai couldn't possibly do it. Then Nomsod and Mon who went from being caught on CCTV and having evidence against them and being cleared only then to find out there were Burmese to be announced guilty.

[catsanddogs]

This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victims body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

So... what is this DNA match that makes you so confident of their guilt @JD? I don't see it.

Edit to add: is that why the cigarrete is so important?

The link you supplied is from Sep 18th when everything was still pointing to Mon & Nomsod as stated by the RTP, there was no DNA match at that time, however after the RTP replaced the head investigator on Sep 23rd, EUREKA, we have a match!

Are you referring to Panya?

No to EUREKA the magicman

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

Seems hard to believe that it was a different 3 Burmese that were obviously tested as they were seen in line and were in the first group of suspects obviously after they hunted down Chris Ware with stories of a jealous gay rage cause a Thai couldn't possibly do it. Then Nomsod and Mon who went from being caught on CCTV and having evidence against them and being cleared only then to find out there were Burmese to be announced guilty.

Your post is timely for me Mooner. I have just spent too much time on the web trying to locate the photograph and press article of Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun standing in that queue waiting to have their DNA taken - all to no avail.

I would be most grateful if someone has the link and would post it please. Thank you.

[Krenjai]

Can the defense subpoena Pol Maj Gen Pornchai? Would be interesting to know his opinion when questioned about these two items in a court of law"

• "The lock of hair found in Witheridge's left hand had been taken for a DNA test"
• "The IFM chief said the wounds to Miller's hands and bruises on his back suggested he probably fought with his attacker before being dragged to the ground.

[jdinasia]

This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

Thanks, Panya was promoted a week after your claim.

Yes he was. That does not mean that he did not say it though.

Edit to add: When police cleared Nomsod in one sentence ....... as far as you were concerned it was the end of the story ..... never to be revisited. He was in Bangkok - cleared, innocent, period, end of any suspicion. You must have said it to me a dozen times not to mention other posters. Nomsod was clear. Police had cleared him ... he could not have been on the island.

But when the B2 were cleared ......... not really so clear after all.

Alas, "the B2" were not cleared.

I'll be pedantic for a sec .........

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation. - said Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee

so... they were cleared.

Same 3? Or are you speculating?

[boomerangutang]

Sean claims he mentioned IF he was found dead he knew who did it (Mon & that cop) but did he really mean that? Or did he mean, I know who did it?

Re that statement by Sean: it appears he meant, 'if he's found dead, he knows (and by telling the world in that venue, the world will know) who did it' The 'who' he's referring to, is clearly Mon and his cop friend, because Sean made that claim right after he was confronted by the two. If this investigation had a modicum of credence, the cop friend would have been DNA tested and seriously interrogated, but that's just one of a slew of things the cops either didn't do, or did and stuffed the data, because it implicates the people they're sworn to shield. Of course, there are 100 other basic things the cops didn't look at, as far as we know. I'm tempted to make another long list (list #13 ?), but I'm tired from a full day.

To any Thai or Brit cops who may be reading this: Sorry fellows, I give Thai authorities in the Ko Tao investigation a solid F. I give the Brits an 'incomplete' because thus far, they haven't told us anything, and as far as we know, they haven't independently dug up any evidence or pursued any leads. Prove me wrong, if you can. By withholding evidence, they're polishing the shackles for the B2. Or perhaps the Brit experts figure it doesn't matter either way, because the B2 are on the fast-track to being found guilty, regardless. Adding some non-false evidence at this stage would just piss off Thai officials, and not help the accused.

[boomerangutang]

For their part, what are Burmese authorities doing?

[Laulen]

I wonder what the British police make of all these developments as observers, after Prime Minister Cameron offered the Thai Government assistance. What, for instance, is being done to investigate any other leads from this case?

[catsanddogs]

How to fabricate DNA evidence.

I know info relating to this has been posted before but only just read it and thought I would post it again as it's quite alarming. It's a short read.

http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/08/18/0043212/scientists-learn-to-fabricate-dna-evidence

As I understand it, the Myanmar men were tested twice - the first time they were cleared - the second time they claimed a match which was the icing on the cake for the police.

[MartinBangkok]

Letter from two accused of Koh Tao murders to Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Myanmar Democracy icon

BANGKOK: -- Yesterday the Lawyers for Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo the defendants in the Koh Tao murder case authorized the public release of the defendants personal letter to Myanmar Democracy icon Daw Aung San Suu Kyi.

Below is the English translation

“To: Daw Aung San Suu Kyi,

We pay obedience to the Buddha, Dharma, Sangha, our parents and our teachers.

The truth is we are not really involved in this case. We want you to help us. So we write this letter to you from our imprisonment. We were not involved in this crime. We do not want to be in jail anymore. We think the killer went to another country already. We think it is injustice that we are in the jail. We want justice and equality.

When you are reading this letter, we do not know really how you will think about us, but if possible we want you to help us, and we are also asking the help from you.

We are poor, so we came to Thailand to work and save money. My friend, Zaw Lin, he does not have father, he has to support his widow mother.

I (Wai Phyo) also have to support my grandmother and parents. In the beginning when we arrived in Thailand we suffered many difficulties, we do not want to be suffering like poor people and we tried to work hard and sent money back to our parents regularly, we were happy so much for that.

But now our hopes are broken. We are worried about our parents, who will support them, and we miss our parents every day, when we miss them we are crying. When we go to bed we pray for all people and creatures in the world to have safety, peace, good health and happiness. Please also pray for us to be released from this case.

A May Suu, please have pity on us.

Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin”

The defense team has been given just sixteen days to prepare their case, which has been brought forward from February 25th 2015 to December 26th, Boxing Day in the UK and the anniversary of the Asian Tsunami.

The prosecution has made no disclosure of their witness statements while the defense has been asked to produce a full witness list, according to lead defense lawyer Nakhon Chompuchat. Reports suggest that the prosecution have only provided a six page document for the defense team to go on giving the defense team no time to prepare challenges to prosecution witnesses.

-- Samui Times 2014-12-10

Thailand is looking more and more like a bad joke, sorry I mean disgusting, joke of a country.

[IslandLover]

catsanddogs, on 13 Dec 2014 - 12:33, said:

Old news yes, but in whose hands is this alleged photograph taken by British witness I wonder?

November 3, 2014

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/What-about-bar-manager-accused-of-harassing-victim-30246806.html

What about bar manager accused of harassing victim at Koh Tao?

A British witness had taken a photo of two men pestering the female victim not long before she was raped and murdered. He went to her assistance. One of the two troublemakers identified by the British witness and appearing in the photo is the bar manager. He is the bar owner's brother or nephew.

The press reported that he refused to take a DNA test after the murders. And the British witness sought protection from the British Embassy in Bangkok after receiving death threats over the Internet.

The public has every right to point out lapses by the police in the investigation of a homicide. A trained crime investigator takes nothing for granted. Since the bar manager, a close relative of the bar owner, was (allegedly) groping and annoying the victim before her rape and murder, police could rightfully scrutinise him and other male relatives of his who were - or could have been - in the vicinity at the time of the murders.

If the manager of the bar took a DNA test that ruled him out as a suspect in the rape, then the press failed to report it and the public is right in demanding he take the test.

Did police ever look into the death threats made against the British witness to trace their source? That might lead to the rapists and murderers.

The press did not consider the possibility. They must not overlook it. The public must not be intimidated by an inept policeman who has no business in this matter.

The fact that this photo exists (or existed) of the altercation in the AC bar has been reported by many other press sources besides The Nation, who have run the story twice to my knowledge, and an appeal has recently been made for information on its whereabouts by those working for the B2s' defence. The Nation was very specific about what the photo contained and who was in it. Why would they lie about something like that? It is after all a very serious accusation and they could be sued for defamation if it wasn't true, I presume. However, as no further references have been made to the existence of the photo after the initial one, I rather suspect it has been secretly destroyed .

[IslandLover]

Willy Eckerslike, on 12 Dec 2014 - 18:19, said:Willy Eckerslike, on 12 Dec 2014 - 18:19, said:

HughJass, on 12 Dec 2014 - 16:10, said:HughJass, on 12 Dec 2014 - 16:10, said:

am i correct in saying that the 3rd guy who left the beach early to see his g/f said that when he woke up the two were in bed sleeping like a baby?

has this guy has since disappeared or will he be called as a witness?

surely this guy would have seen blood on clothes etc and a heightened state of alertness on his friends had they just committed this heinous crime

Not quite HJ the 3rd guy found them sleeping like babies when he returned to the room at 05:00 after seeing his GF

The 3rd Burmese (Muang Muang?) is the one who was pictured in the supermarket buying cigarettes on the night of the murders. He was arrested along with the other two and the police tried to "coerce" (euphemism for torture) him into testifying against his friends, which he refused to do, according to an interview he gave with a journalist after the police were forced to release him. I understand from what I've read that he's gone back to Burma and I doubt he'll want to come back to Thailand .

Edited December 14, 2014 by IslandLover

[mcm991]

This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

Thanks, Panya was promoted a week after your claim.

Yes he was. That does not mean that he did not say it though.

Edit to add: When police cleared Nomsod in one sentence ....... as far as you were concerned it was the end of the story ..... never to be revisited. He was in Bangkok - cleared, innocent, period, end of any suspicion. You must have said it to me a dozen times not to mention other posters. Nomsod was clear. Police had cleared him ... he could not have been on the island.

But when the B2 were cleared ......... not really so clear after all.

Alas, "the B2" were not cleared.

I'll be pedantic for a sec .........

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation. - said Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee

so... they were cleared.

Same 3? Or are you speculating?

I'm too busy today to go trawling through articles but I'm sure the RTP said initially that they detained 3 nocturnal, guitar playing migrant workers.

I'm assuming it must have been these B2 +1 .... but yes, I am speculating - but I think the odds of them being one and the same are pretty good.

[AleG]

How to fabricate DNA evidence.

I know info relating to this has been posted before but only just read it and thought I would post it again as it's quite alarming. It's a short read.

http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/08/18/0043212/scientists-learn-to-fabricate-dna-evidence

As I understand it, the Myanmar men were tested twice - the first time they were cleared - the second time they claimed a match which was the icing on the cake for the police.

You understand wrong.

They were not tested and cleared before their arrest; they provided samples, along with other 200 or so people, there's no citation that I know of claiming that their samples were processed and results obtained before the arrests were made.

[StealthEnergiser]

here are 3 phones 2 iPhones 1 iPhone in good condition , 1 iPhone smashed , Hannahs phone iI have not seen a photo of the samsung hero unless that's the black thing next to his pants but hard to make out if its a phone.

Why would David take his iPhone out with him if he had a cheap burner phone?

That defies buying the cheap local one,

Because he keeps data in his regular phone that he may want to access? because and iPhone can use WiFi to access Internet but a Samsung Hero can't? because the camera on the phone takes better pictures?, etc, etc...

Samsung Hero???????? who ever said the phone found on the beach was a Samsung Hero ??????

[HansIsaan]

Willy Eckerslike, on 12 Dec 2014 - 18:19, said:Willy Eckerslike, on 12 Dec 2014 - 18:19, said:

HughJass, on 12 Dec 2014 - 16:10, said:HughJass, on 12 Dec 2014 - 16:10, said:

am i correct in saying that the 3rd guy who left the beach early to see his g/f said that when he woke up the two were in bed sleeping like a baby?

has this guy has since disappeared or will he be called as a witness?

surely this guy would have seen blood on clothes etc and a heightened state of alertness on his friends had they just committed this heinous crime

Not quite HJ the 3rd guy found them sleeping like babies when he returned to the room at 05:00 after seeing his GF

The 3rd Burmese (Muang Muang?) is the one who was pictured in the supermarket buying cigarettes on the night of the murders. He was arrested along with the other two and the police tried to "coerce" (euphemism for torture) him into testifying against his friends, which he refused to do, according to an interview he gave with a journalist after the police were forced to release him. I understand from what I've read that he's gone back to Burma and I doubt he'll want to come back to Thailand .

Muang Muang already gave his testimony during a Pre-trial Witness Hearing at the Koh Samui Court. After that he was released and allowed to go home. In the interview he repeated what he had told the Court. It means there is no need for him to come and testify again.

[StealthEnergiser]

not sure if this is the samsung

[mcm991]

Interesting to note all the twists and turns .........

http://holiday-bangkok.blogspot.com/2014/09/koh-tao-police-fail-another-day.html

the case today bares scant resemblence to the original.

[AGareth2]

does anyone have a link to the original crime scene pics of the victims?

wish to check for drag from the blood on the sand

[AleG]

This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

Thanks, Panya was promoted a week after your claim.

Yes he was. That does not mean that he did not say it though.

Edit to add: When police cleared Nomsod in one sentence ....... as far as you were concerned it was the end of the story ..... never to be revisited. He was in Bangkok - cleared, innocent, period, end of any suspicion. You must have said it to me a dozen times not to mention other posters. Nomsod was clear. Police had cleared him ... he could not have been on the island.

But when the B2 were cleared ......... not really so clear after all.

Alas, "the B2" were not cleared.

I'll be pedantic for a sec .........

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation. - said Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee

so... they were cleared.

Same 3? Or are you speculating?

I'm too busy today to go trawling through articles but I'm sure the RTP said initially that they detained 3 nocturnal, guitar playing migrant workers.

I'm assuming it must have been these B2 +1 .... but yes, I am speculating - but I think the odds of them being one and the same are pretty good.

As I pointed to someone else, you are conflating things, as it clearly says in the quoted text "Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation." That is not the same as "they detained 3 nocturnal, guitar playing migrant workers."