Pheu Thai against granting amnesty to those accused of lese majeste

[rubl]

Not only PT is saying that the constitutional court played key roles in Thai politics and is still the primary tool for Bangkok traditional elite establishment's control of Thailand. Even the former CC Presient Wasan had admitted political interference in Samak disqualification. Human Right Watch has spoken about court abuse of power. The Truth Commission said that the CC should be especially careful in their use of power. Many influential newspaper like Thai Rath wrote about the CC creating a new institution of their own to govern Thailand. The court even corrupt their power in economic affairs like stopping the infrastructure projects like the HIgh Speed Train saying it was against sufficiency ecooic theory. Of course, it is clear now that they are wrong as the current regime continue with the projects. PT has a point.

You just put some things together to suggest without feeling a need to be precise.

BTW the CC ruled on the legallity of the 2.2 trillion Baht infrastructure Bill only.

"The court ruled that the the infrastructure law breached the constitution in its content and in the way it was drafted, Chaovana Traimas, secretary general of Constitutional Court, told reporters today in Bangkok."

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-12/thai-court-rules-against-yingluck-on-elections-infrastructure

[wandasloan]

You removed the link I provided on purpose I assume ?

I cannot remove anything in your post including the link, which I have confirmed is still there. I have no idea why you would accuse me of hacking your post but, for the record, I did not.

You are not going to provide any evidence Pheu Thai was not invited by the CDC. That's fine. I'm sure you can't. I'm sure there isn't any.

But if you come across some, I for one would be interested to see you stop trying to change the subject, stop pretending you have some status as a moderator stop trying to assert any sliver of unwarranted authority about instructing others how to post, and just post. I'd love to read any relevant, on-topic stuff by all means, after which you are still free to resume your personal games, but having made an actual contribution.

In the nonce, I and all others reading this thread will know that Pheu Thai was "invited" (as the army puts it) to give their opinions in public about the coming constitution, and indeed did so, in the manner the OP indicates.

Can approving amnesty for LM crimes be considered as LM?

Yes. I understand your smiley, but the truth is that it's not actually a Catch-22, it's real. That's why no one does it. That's why no public figure has called even for amending the LM laws. It's more "guilt by association" but no sane person would want even that much. It's not CERTAIN they would be charged but they certainly would be pilloried. This is not the time for public figures to take that stand.

If you publicly support the LM laws or if you say nothing about the LM laws, you will not be actually or virtually tarred, feathered or attacked. And that's why every public figure does one or both of those.

The people who speak about the LM laws in this country are showing a lot more bravery than bravado, believe that.

Edited December 13, 2014 by wandasloan

[slapout]

PT leadership is comprised of a group of Thaksins's outlaw gophers who have lost their benifactors monetary support. The boss is pouting, the unemployeed gophers are clamoring for another chance and those they have dumped on won't touch them with a barge pole for fear of catching the same reputation.

PT and its membership of stupids who thought they were smarter than the rest of the worlds population, have probably set a worlds record as to how not to operate. Much less run a government, political party/campaign introduce legistration,promote social programs,etc as well as conduct themselves as a contributing member of the human race.

The world Health Organization may want to get their major fact finding experts on top of the rumored brain affecting affliction running unchecked thru the Thai countryside. It has been refered to by locals as rectovisoitics. It is more disabilitaive than stupidy, ignorance, laziness, drug induced trances, deficit in the attention span, as well as honesty, all combined.

I heard it from a local monk, ex political figure.

[Eric Loh]

Not only PT is saying that the constitutional court played key roles in Thai politics and is still the primary tool for Bangkok traditional elite establishment's control of Thailand. Even the former CC Presient Wasan had admitted political interference in Samak disqualification. Human Right Watch has spoken about court abuse of power. The Truth Commission said that the CC should be especially careful in their use of power. Many influential newspaper like Thai Rath wrote about the CC creating a new institution of their own to govern Thailand. The court even corrupt their power in economic affairs like stopping the infrastructure projects like the HIgh Speed Train saying it was against sufficiency ecooic theory. Of course, it is clear now that they are wrong as the current regime continue with the projects. PT has a point.

You just put some things together to suggest without feeling a need to be precise.

BTW the CC ruled on the legallity of the 2.2 trillion Baht infrastructure Bill only.

"The court ruled that the the infrastructure law breached the constitution in its content and in the way it was drafted, Chaovana Traimas, secretary general of Constitutional Court, told reporters today in Bangkok."

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-12/thai-court-rules-against-yingluck-on-elections-infrastructure

Rubi, let's not get into trivialities. Point is that many including the former President have spokened on the Court playing politics and contributed to the political instability and needed to be reformed. If you don't agree, please state your points and dance around the fringes.

[drand11]

Why the whining....the PT made some constructive suggestions to be considered. What the heck is the problem?

Fact is.. This whole constitutional re-write is just a joke anyways. Fact is, this is just a justification for the Coup.

"Reform, New Constitution"... Thailand has been doing this now for 90+ years... Lets Coup and Reform.

Coups are not about Reform. Coups are about power grabs by the Elite. I suppose it has to happen 12x over the next 90 yrs. for anyone

to figure this all out!

[JimmyFT]

BANGKOK: -- Members of the Pheu Thai Party agreed that amnesty should exclude those facing lese majeste charges, the party's legal expert Bhokin Bhalakula said yesterday.

Interesting to see the Pheu Thai abandon their vaunted red shirts once again. Red shirts make up a significant portion of those charged with LM, which exemplifies a significant faction of the red shirts who are absolute anti-monarchists.

It's reminiscent of when the Pheu Thai abandoned their red shirts who were violently fighting for the Pheu Thai to overthrow the Abhisit government. The Pheu Thai completely disowned nearly all the rank and file red shirts thus keeping them in prison without bail support and legal representation. Some of those red shirts did receive help from Pheu Thai, but that was almost exclusively for the leaders like Jatuporn and Natthawut and Weng et al.

[rubl]

You removed the link I provided on purpose I assume ?

I cannot remove anything in your post including the link, which I have confirmed is still there. I have no idea why you would accuse me of hacking your post but, for the record, I did not.

You are not going to provide any evidence Pheu Thai was not invited by the CDC. That's fine. I'm sure you can't. I'm sure there isn't any.

But if you come across some, I for one would be interested to see you stop trying to change the subject, stop pretending you have some status as a moderator stop trying to assert any sliver of unwarranted authority about instructing others how to post, and just post. I'd love to read any relevant, on-topic stuff by all means, after which you are still free to resume your personal games, but having made an actual contribution.

In the nonce, I and all others reading this thread will know that Pheu Thai was "invited" (as the army puts it) to give their opinions in public about the coming constitution, and indeed did so, in the manner the OP indicates.

Must be a fault of the forum application then, the fact that you replied to a post with only the first line appearing, but the second line (that is the link) suddenly missing in the embedded post of mine which is showing in your reply..

So let me put it here again

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/776291-plodprasob-says-pheu-thai-will-not-join-charter-writing-process/page-4#entry8676362

Of course, you might also try to misunderstand me, on purpose, just because you didn't like that link and what it points to.

None so blind who don't want to see,

uncle rubl

[djjamie]

"Pheu Thai against granting amnesty to those accused of lese majeste"

How many PTP members are convicted of lese majesty? none?

Pheu Thai FOR granting amnesty to those that are corrupt.

Typical PTP rhetoric.

Edited December 13, 2014 by djjamie

[rubl]

Not only PT is saying that the constitutional court played key roles in Thai politics and is still the primary tool for Bangkok traditional elite establishment's control of Thailand. Even the former CC Presient Wasan had admitted political interference in Samak disqualification. Human Right Watch has spoken about court abuse of power. The Truth Commission said that the CC should be especially careful in their use of power. Many influential newspaper like Thai Rath wrote about the CC creating a new institution of their own to govern Thailand. The court even corrupt their power in economic affairs like stopping the infrastructure projects like the HIgh Speed Train saying it was against sufficiency ecooic theory. Of course, it is clear now that they are wrong as the current regime continue with the projects. PT has a point.

You just put some things together to suggest without feeling a need to be precise.

BTW the CC ruled on the legallity of the 2.2 trillion Baht infrastructure Bill only.

"The court ruled that the the infrastructure law breached the constitution in its content and in the way it was drafted, Chaovana Traimas, secretary general of Constitutional Court, told reporters today in Bangkok."

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-12/thai-court-rules-against-yingluck-on-elections-infrastructure

Rubi, let's not get into trivialities. Point is that many including the former President have spokened on the Court playing politics and contributed to the political instability and needed to be reformed. If you don't agree, please state your points and dance around the fringes.

My dear Eric, on your advise I'm not getting into trivialities like truth and facts. Consequently though I have to scrap all of your post.

Have a pleasant Saturday evening,

uncle rubl