NCPO to report its achievements

[sjaak327]

How exactly was the government no longer care taker ? They remain in that position until a successful election leads to a new lower house. That never happened, so the government when overthrown was still in the same status as it was when Yingluck dissolved the house. Force through an election, now that is a fantastic idea in a democracy, boy oh boy you are really taking the piss here.

Again, you can blame the previous government for many things, but not that they have not tried to let the Thai electorate have their constitutional right to determine who they deem fit to lead their country.

The coup might have prevented a handover to Suthep (although behind the scenes, this might not be the case, certainly if some of the remarks Suthep made are to be believed) but a handover to a madman did happen, not Suthep but Prayuth, hardly a better scenario to be honest.

How are the NLA members accountable to the public ? Can they decide or influence the make up of the NLA, can they vote people in or out of the NLA. The answer is a dead simple no, so they are not accountable at all.

The NLA does not have any right to Continue any trend, real or perceived as they don't have a mandate. Self appointed under a self drafted constitution.

To make matters worse, apparently it is still needed to curtail freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to protest and all the other things people take for granted in a democracy. And than to think they 'do it for the Thai people'.

As to the reporting of the previous government, they have released the ultimate report, by asking the voters to go to the ballot box, maybe this lot could do the same ?

The ultimate report, elections anyone ?

Somehow you seem to forget that the Thai electorate is not the same as the electorate in a Western, established democracy. Mind you, even the Italians loved Silvio Berlusconi for a while, and paid for it.

So an election means a government no longer needs to justify its actions, be accountable and doing accounting? Winning or even loosing would be the end of it? The electorate has spoken? No need to explain the 700--/++ billion Baht somehow 'mislaid' in a 'self-financing' scheme? The electorate can choose and that's it? Taxpayers' money thrown away, pocketed by 'deserving' people and we should just vote?

Anyway, the reports from the previous government may no longer be forthcoming, so sue them, like we would do back home.

How is the Thai electorate not the same from say the one in The Netherlands ? Do they come from another planet or something ?

In fact, knowing a shitload of members of both the Dutch and the Thai electorate, I can safely say there isn't much difference at all. Well maybe for one thing, the Thai electorate has repeatedly voted one particular party into power, whilst the Dutch electorate seems to swing like crazy.

Funny, After the Thai electoral has made it pretty damm clear who they want to run the country, some people still cannot accept this and try to sell the world all kinds of <deleted> to explain away this simple fact.

The trouble is, the excuses are wearing thin and most people cannot even listen to the <deleted> anymore.

As to accountability, a new election will settle whether or not the Thai electorate thinks the parties concerned are worthy of another term. As to that other accountability, you better be extremely silent, as the current lot are not accountable to anyone, and can get away with anything, read the interim constitution if you don't believe me.

As to the "700 billion tax payer money", let's just wait until the damage from this lot becomes apparent, if the last time is anything to go by, the prospect doesn't look good.

At the end of the day, the world is littered with bad governments that throw away money, or don't do what is needed for the long term. This is hardly a crime, and if people decide to vote those same people into office, so be it, that's democracy, it is really that simple.

Idiots that take power by gunpoint and are way over their head, has nothing to do with democracy, there is another word for that, a word we cannot say surprisingly,

[DaffyDuck]

How about waiting for the report before spouting ignorance?

There is really no need to wait. The nonsensical propoganda spewed by this regime is quite boring in its predictability. Just like there is no need to wait for the next Thai Happiness poll to know it will show approval ratings in the high nineties.

You're right - how ridiculous to actually await facts, when you can ride high on your one opinions and bias all day long...

The utter willful ignorance of the agenda driven, naive, anti-prayuth participants is truly amazing.

Maybe review the timeline leading up to the coup, including transcripts - it might help you understand what rubl is talking about regarding Yingluk's people clinging desperately to power, and refusing to cooperate. The general very reluctantly took over, and he gave the prior players ample opportunity to resolve their differences.

It was very clear at the time that the status quo at the time could not be allowed to continue - and all things considered, Thailand has, for the first time, the best chance at actually achieving democracy, when Prayuth cleans up the system, and puts the proper framework in place.

This whole concept of looking at a bigger picture seems to be an impossibility for posters like Bruce or sjaak - particularly since, when challenged, neither have any valid suggestions as to what should have happened, or what should happen now.

The current roadmap is just fine, and is leading to a best chance at a valid future.

[DaffyDuck]

Mind you, maybe I ask too much as you come from the U.S. of A. Surely there must be something which explains your behavior here. Knowledge and objectivity doesn't seem to have any relation with it though.

Well said.

[sjaak327]

How about waiting for the report before spouting ignorance?

There is really no need to wait. The nonsensical propoganda spewed by this regime is quite boring in its predictability. Just like there is no need to wait for the next Thai Happiness poll to know it will show approval ratings in the high nineties.

You're right - how ridiculous to actually await facts, when you can ride high on your one opinions and bias all day long...

The utter willful ignorance of the agenda driven, naive, anti-prayuth participants is truly amazing.

Maybe review the timeline leading up to the coup, including transcripts - it might help you understand what rubl is talking about regarding Yingluk's people clinging desperately to power, and refusing to cooperate. The general very reluctantly took over, and he gave the prior players ample opportunity to resolve their differences.

It was very clear at the time that the status quo at the time could not be allowed to continue - and all things considered, Thailand has, for the first time, the best chance at actually achieving democracy, when Prayuth cleans up the system, and puts the proper framework in place.

This whole concept of looking at a bigger picture seems to be an impossibility for posters like Bruce or sjaak - particularly since, when challenged, neither have any valid suggestions as to what should have happened, or what should happen now.

The current roadmap is just fine, and is leading to a best chance at a valid future.

But we do see the big picture. We do see how one small part of the population repeatedly refuse to accept the wishes of a far larger group of voters. It has little to do with corruption or following the law, considering the other side does not follow the law and is equally corrupt.

Yingluck did call for new elections and that automatically makes the clinging to power argument completely invalid. The fact that those elections have been sabotaged by Suthep and his buddies again show how they seem to believe they don't have to follow the law and how they seem to believe that their opinion is worth more than the opinion of people who just wanted to exercise their constitutional right to vote or run for office.

The fact that these rights have been neglected and even violated clearly shows how these people broke the law and violated the constitution.

How can anyone take these people seriously, first they accuse others of violating the law or constitution, yet their own actions are a clear violation of both the law and the constitution. How could anyone really believe their main concern is democracy, when they don't even accept election results, when they violate people's right to vote for all to see.

How can the current lot genuinely want democracy if their whole modus operandi is so undemocratic and their power unlimited, it would make the Burmese or Lao governments green with envy.

Why is martial law and the severe restrictions that come with it, needed at this point in time ? Why is criticism not allowed, what are these 'fighters for democracy' afraid of ?

They have no clue about democracy, that is apparent.

As to not having a suggestion about what should have happened, what should have happened is the February general election being conducted without obstructions, so that the Thai electorate could have decided which parties could form a new government. Completely in line with the constitution.

One would think this suggestion to be perfectly sane and in line with the law of the land. Now if you try and get an answer to the question why some people prevented this from happening, you also know how they see democracy and how they seem to believe the Thai electorate cannot be trusted.

Edited December 20, 2014 by sjaak327

[rubl]

<snip>

One would think this suggestion to be perfectly sane and in line with the law of the land. Now if you try and get an answer to the question why some people prevented this from happening, you also know how they see democracy and how they seem to believe the Thai electorate cannot be trusted.

"At the end of the day, the world is littered with bad governments that throw away money, or don't do what is needed for the long term. This is hardly a crime, and if people decide to vote those same people into office, so be it, that's democracy, it is really that simple."

It would seem the Thai electorate can be trusted to do just that. Somehow suggests something wrong with democracy or the local implementation of it.

Anyway I hope the NCPO will be so kind to offer their reports in English as well. Would be so much easier for TVF posters.

[smutcakes]

I think he has done the report already lads, blink and you missed it.

[AGareth2]

we MADE everyone happy or at least nearly all

[sjaak327]

<snip>

One would think this suggestion to be perfectly sane and in line with the law of the land. Now if you try and get an answer to the question why some people prevented this from happening, you also know how they see democracy and how they seem to believe the Thai electorate cannot be trusted.

"At the end of the day, the world is littered with bad governments that throw away money, or don't do what is needed for the long term. This is hardly a crime, and if people decide to vote those same people into office, so be it, that's democracy, it is really that simple.[/size]"

It would seem the Thai electorate can be trusted to do just that. Somehow suggests something wrong with democracy or the local implementation of it.

Anyway I hope the NCPO will be so kind to offer their reports in English as well. Would be so much easier for TVF posters.

Aha, so now there is something wrong with democracy since the Thai electorate can be trusted to vote in the 'wrong people' according to you and people like you.

Which indeed quite clearly shows that it is you who haven't understood democracy. Regardless of your own opinions and beliefs, you should respect the fact that not everyone shares your views and beliefs.

Democracy isn't about getting the best government (which obviously is an opinion as well) it is about people voting in the people they deem fit to run the country. It is also about respecting the fact that your preferred people did not win enough seats to form a government.

I know, I know, a thing almost impossible to do for some people. Hence the need for coups, martial law so that people can simply force their opinion onto the rest of us. All the while pointing out real or often alleged flaws from the other side, in a vain attempt to justify the flaws of the ruling junta.

Who do you think you are kidding Rubl ? I believe you are kidding yourself.

[tbthailand]

How about waiting for the report before spouting ignorance?

There is really no need to wait. The nonsensical propoganda spewed by this regime is quite boring in its predictability. Just like there is no need to wait for the next Thai Happiness poll to know it will show approval ratings in the high nineties.

You're right - how ridiculous to actually await facts, when you can ride high on your one opinions and bias all day long...

The utter willful ignorance of the agenda driven, naive, anti-prayuth participants is truly amazing.

Maybe review the timeline leading up to the coup, including transcripts - it might help you understand what rubl is talking about regarding Yingluk's people clinging desperately to power, and refusing to cooperate. The general very reluctantly took over, and he gave the prior players ample opportunity to resolve their differences.

It was very clear at the time that the status quo at the time could not be allowed to continue - and all things considered, Thailand has, for the first time, the best chance at actually achieving democracy, when Prayuth cleans up the system, and puts the proper framework in place.

This whole concept of looking at a bigger picture seems to be an impossibility for posters like Bruce or sjaak - particularly since, when challenged, neither have any valid suggestions as to what should have happened, or what should happen now.

The current roadmap is just fine, and is leading to a best chance at a valid future.

The general very reluctantly took over,

you are such a clown

but continue thinking that you are god... it seems to fit your personality

[rubl]

<snip>

One would think this suggestion to be perfectly sane and in line with the law of the land. Now if you try and get an answer to the question why some people prevented this from happening, you also know how they see democracy and how they seem to believe the Thai electorate cannot be trusted.

"At the end of the day, the world is littered with bad governments that throw away money, or don't do what is needed for the long term. This is hardly a crime, and if people decide to vote those same people into office, so be it, that's democracy, it is really that simple.[/size]"

It would seem the Thai electorate can be trusted to do just that. Somehow suggests something wrong with democracy or the local implementation of it.

Anyway I hope the NCPO will be so kind to offer their reports in English as well. Would be so much easier for TVF posters.

Aha, so now there is something wrong with democracy since the Thai electorate can be trusted to vote in the 'wrong people' according to you and people like you.

Which indeed quite clearly shows that it is you who haven't understood democracy. Regardless of your own opinions and beliefs, you should respect the fact that not everyone shares your views and beliefs.

Democracy isn't about getting the best government (which obviously is an opinion as well) it is about people voting in the people they deem fit to run the country. It is also about respecting the fact that your preferred people did not win enough seats to form a government.

I know, I know, a thing almost impossible to do for some people. Hence the need for coups, martial law so that people can simply force their opinion onto the rest of us. All the while pointing out real or often alleged flaws from the other side, in a vain attempt to justify the flaws of the ruling junta.

Who do you think you are kidding Rubl ? I believe you are kidding yourself.

Well, the previous government was throwing away money, which makes them a bad government as you said. With Thai choosing them and the suggestion here that Thai will keep choosing them, it would seem to imply there's something seriously wrong.

If it's not the electorate, then it might be the system in which the electorate operates. That was, as some have it a 'democracy'.

Oh, I'm not kidding. This is a serious matter. One one hand we had the dictatorial parliamentary majority representing some billionair and his cronies and on the other hand the junta not representing democracy. I prefer improvement, you seem to prefer going back to the 'good old days'.

So, reports anyone ?

[tbthailand]

<snip>

One would think this suggestion to be perfectly sane and in line with the law of the land. Now if you try and get an answer to the question why some people prevented this from happening, you also know how they see democracy and how they seem to believe the Thai electorate cannot be trusted.

"At the end of the day, the world is littered with bad governments that throw away money, or don't do what is needed for the long term. This is hardly a crime, and if people decide to vote those same people into office, so be it, that's democracy, it is really that simple.[/size]"

It would seem the Thai electorate can be trusted to do just that. Somehow suggests something wrong with democracy or the local implementation of it.

Anyway I hope the NCPO will be so kind to offer their reports in English as well. Would be so much easier for TVF posters.

Aha, so now there is something wrong with democracy since the Thai electorate can be trusted to vote in the 'wrong people' according to you and people like you.

Which indeed quite clearly shows that it is you who haven't understood democracy. Regardless of your own opinions and beliefs, you should respect the fact that not everyone shares your views and beliefs.

Democracy isn't about getting the best government (which obviously is an opinion as well) it is about people voting in the people they deem fit to run the country. It is also about respecting the fact that your preferred people did not win enough seats to form a government.

I know, I know, a thing almost impossible to do for some people. Hence the need for coups, martial law so that people can simply force their opinion onto the rest of us. All the while pointing out real or often alleged flaws from the other side, in a vain attempt to justify the flaws of the ruling junta.

Who do you think you are kidding Rubl ? I believe you are kidding yourself.

you have some good points. Most people take government for granted and forget what it really is. Government is the tool through which society manages its common interests and assets.

Democracy is a structure for self-governance which allows for broad participation in governing.

These are tools and structures and there is nothing inherently good or bad about government or democracy, .. it's about what the people do with it.

There are always forces working against democracy and self-governance because there are powerful people around the world who don't really want to subject themselves to the rules enacted by a broad, self-governing system. These people see themselves as exceptions or as exceptional.

[sjaak327]

<snip>

One would think this suggestion to be perfectly sane and in line with the law of the land. Now if you try and get an answer to the question why some people prevented this from happening, you also know how they see democracy and how they seem to believe the Thai electorate cannot be trusted.

"At the end of the day, the world is littered with bad governments that throw away money, or don't do what is needed for the long term. This is hardly a crime, and if people decide to vote those same people into office, so be it, that's democracy, it is really that simple.[/size]"

It would seem the Thai electorate can be trusted to do just that. Somehow suggests something wrong with democracy or the local implementation of it.

Anyway I hope the NCPO will be so kind to offer their reports in English as well. Would be so much easier for TVF posters.

Aha, so now there is something wrong with democracy since the Thai electorate can be trusted to vote in the 'wrong people' according to you and people like you.

Which indeed quite clearly shows that it is you who haven't understood democracy. Regardless of your own opinions and beliefs, you should respect the fact that not everyone shares your views and beliefs.

Democracy isn't about getting the best government (which obviously is an opinion as well) it is about people voting in the people they deem fit to run the country. It is also about respecting the fact that your preferred people did not win enough seats to form a government.

I know, I know, a thing almost impossible to do for some people. Hence the need for coups, martial law so that people can simply force their opinion onto the rest of us. All the while pointing out real or often alleged flaws from the other side, in a vain attempt to justify the flaws of the ruling junta.

Who do you think you are kidding Rubl ? I believe you are kidding yourself.

Well, the previous government was throwing away money, which makes them a bad government as you said. With Thai choosing them and the suggestion here that Thai will keep choosing them, it would seem to imply there's something seriously wrong.

If it's not the electorate, then it might be the system in which the electorate operates. That was, as some have it a 'democracy'.

Oh, I'm not kidding. This is a serious matter. One one hand we had the dictatorial parliamentary majority representing some billionair and his cronies and on the other hand the junta not representing democracy. I prefer improvement, you seem to prefer going back to the 'good old days'.

So, reports anyone ?

Hmm, maybe you haven't been paying attention but there are very few governments who don't throw money away. They have no choice in the matter as governments that do not spend do not get votes.

I fail to understand how you could refer to a dictatorial parliamentary majority. If you get a majority, you get to run the country, it isn't very strange. Of course the time such a majority would last is limited. And after that time, people get to choose others, or the same people, depending on the electorate's wishes.

So the previous system wasn't dictatorial in any sense of the word, and furthermore there were no limits such as we currently have. That parliamentary majority was also bound to rules and regulations from the constitution instead of being free whatever they do, due to amnesty in an self drafted constitution. I am surprised you fail to see (or acknowledge) this. One would think someone screaming bloody murder when someone allegedly breaks the law, would be opposed to anyone writing their own set of rules which takes away all accountability. This lot doesn't even have to fear the judiciary.

Funny you should mention some billionaire, if the assets declaration of some of the NLA members and the PM is anything to go by, it seems they somehow have gotten unimaginable wealth as well. The billionaire owned the most successful mobile operator in Thailand, whilst those rich NLA members and the PM are mere generals.

But we already know the line, that billionaire is corrupt to the core, whilst the generals have gotten their wealth legitimately. The rest of the world just shakes their head at such <deleted>.

Edited December 20, 2014 by sjaak327

[rubl]

Well, the previous government was throwing away money, which makes them a bad government as you said. With Thai choosing them and the suggestion here that Thai will keep choosing them, it would seem to imply there's something seriously wrong.

If it's not the electorate, then it might be the system in which the electorate operates. That was, as some have it a 'democracy'.

Oh, I'm not kidding. This is a serious matter. One one hand we had the dictatorial parliamentary majority representing some billionair and his cronies and on the other hand the junta not representing democracy. I prefer improvement, you seem to prefer going back to the 'good old days'.

So, reports anyone ?

Hmm, maybe you haven't been paying attention but there are very few governments who don't throw money away. They have no choice in the matter as governments that do not spend do not get votes.

I fail to understand how you could refer to a dictatorial parliamentary majority. If you get a majority, you get to run the country, it isn't very strange. Of course the time such a majority would last is limited. And after that time, people get to choose others, or the same people, depending on the electorate's wishes.

So the previous system wasn't dictatorial in any sense of the word, and furthermore there were no limits such as we currently have. That parliamentary majority was also bound to rules and regulations from the constitution instead of being free whatever they do, due to amnesty in an self drafted constitution. I am surprised you fail to see (or acknowledge) this. One would think someone screaming bloody murder when someone allegedly breaks the law, would be opposed to anyone writing their own set of rules which takes away all accountability. This lot doesn't even have to fear the judiciary.

Funny you should mention some billionaire, if the assets declaration of some of the NLA members and the PM is anything to go by, it seems they somehow have gotten unimaginable wealth as well. The billionaire owned the most successful mobile operator in Thailand, whilst those rich NLA members and the PM are mere generals.

But we already know the line, that billionaire is corrupt to the core, whilst the generals have gotten their wealth legitimately. The rest of the world just shakes their head at such <deleted>.

The billionair who had been in the police force, used the Thai democracy to get a monopoly in Telecom. As PM he even granted an interesting loan to Myanmar to allow them to buy some services from Shinawatra Holdings. Very democratically so.

Anyway, after all this ... we should be another day closer to the reports the NCPO promised.

Edited December 20, 2014 by rubl

[DaffyDuck]

Oh, I'm not kidding. This is a serious matter. One one hand we had the dictatorial parliamentary majority representing some billionair and his cronies and on the other hand the junta not representing democracy. I prefer improvement, you seem to prefer going back to the 'good old days'.

That latter group is represented by the willfully ignorant and naive commenters blindly supporting a return of the billionaire who corrupted the concept of democracy into a single-person oligarchy. The irony, of course, being that these guys not only all claim to come from countries with a functional democracy, but after all the years they claimed to have lived in Thailand, still haven't grasped the concept of Thailand NOT being like their home country. Funny, really.

[DaffyDuck]

But we do see the big picture.

You've just wasted 47 paragraphs of drivel confirming that you, in fact, don't understand the bigger picture at all.

Anyway I hope the NCPO will be so kind to offer their reports in English as well. Would be so much easier for TVF posters.

Indeed, particularly the 'experts' who claim to have lived in the Thailand for 10-15 years, yet can't read a lick of Thai (while struggling with the language)

[tbthailand]

Well, the previous government was throwing away money, which makes them a bad government as you said. With Thai choosing them and the suggestion here that Thai will keep choosing them, it would seem to imply there's something seriously wrong.

If it's not the electorate, then it might be the system in which the electorate operates. That was, as some have it a 'democracy'.

Oh, I'm not kidding. This is a serious matter. One one hand we had the dictatorial parliamentary majority representing some billionair and his cronies and on the other hand the junta not representing democracy. I prefer improvement, you seem to prefer going back to the 'good old days'.

So, reports anyone ?

Hmm, maybe you haven't been paying attention but there are very few governments who don't throw money away. They have no choice in the matter as governments that do not spend do not get votes.

I fail to understand how you could refer to a dictatorial parliamentary majority. If you get a majority, you get to run the country, it isn't very strange. Of course the time such a majority would last is limited. And after that time, people get to choose others, or the same people, depending on the electorate's wishes.

So the previous system wasn't dictatorial in any sense of the word, and furthermore there were no limits such as we currently have. That parliamentary majority was also bound to rules and regulations from the constitution instead of being free whatever they do, due to amnesty in an self drafted constitution. I am surprised you fail to see (or acknowledge) this. One would think someone screaming bloody murder when someone allegedly breaks the law, would be opposed to anyone writing their own set of rules which takes away all accountability. This lot doesn't even have to fear the judiciary.

Funny you should mention some billionaire, if the assets declaration of some of the NLA members and the PM is anything to go by, it seems they somehow have gotten unimaginable wealth as well. The billionaire owned the most successful mobile operator in Thailand, whilst those rich NLA members and the PM are mere generals.

But we already know the line, that billionaire is corrupt to the core, whilst the generals have gotten their wealth legitimately. The rest of the world just shakes their head at such <deleted>.

I fail to understand how you could refer to a dictatorial parliamentary majority.

it is propaganda straight from the PDRC stage.

Apparently in Thailand if you can't win a majority, then to you, the majority is a parliamentary majority.

[DaffyDuck]

I fail to understand how you could refer to a dictatorial parliamentary majority.

it is propaganda straight from the PDRC stage.

Apparently in Thailand if you can't win a majority, then to you, the majority is a parliamentary majority

You really don't have a clue how the political systems work in Thailand, do you? (Aside from the obvious fact that you consistently remain willfully ignorant of the real priorities in the country for the time being). It's sadly amusing.

[Kooweerup]

Can be written on the back of a stamp!!

The brought the global price of oil down ready for new years and stopped all those nasty happy endings.

[tbthailand]

I fail to understand how you could refer to a dictatorial parliamentary majority.

it is propaganda straight from the PDRC stage.

Apparently in Thailand if you can't win a majority, then to you, the majority is a parliamentary majority

You really don't have a clue how the political systems work in Thailand, do you? (Aside from the obvious fact that you consistently remain willfully ignorant of the real priorities in the country for the time being). It's sadly amusing.

The real priorities?

Who's priorities? Yours?

Don't make me laugh, duck.

You really should just change your avatar to 'god' since you are all-knowing.

btw, you snot-beaked know it all, there are no priorities for 'the country' at the moment, only priorities for a few, unelected elites and their general buddies. Everyone else is taking a back seat.

Edited December 20, 2014 by tbthailand

[DaffyDuck]

Can be written on the back of a stamp!!

The brought the global price of oil down ready for new years and stopped all those nasty happy endings.

This seems to be a common chorus of yours. Massage parlor along one specific stretch of road were shut down FOR ONE DAY leading to the arrest of those police officers that extorted tea money from those business' - it is widely known that the shops were able to reopen 24 hours later.

Well, widely known except to people with a dishonest agenda, I guess..

[DaffyDuck]

Having succeeded in mobilising the most TBF posters to write lies, half-truths and insinuations as result of being on the right tract.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a clear winner!!!

[DaffyDuck]

btw, you snot-beaked know it all, there are no priorities for 'the country' at the moment, only priorities for a few, unelected elites and their general buddies. Everyone else is taking a back seat.

Such ignorance is forgivable since you obviously are a relative newbie to Thailand and you're not really very familiar the county, culture or political dynamic.

[sjaak327]

But we do see the big picture.

You've just wasted 47 paragraphs of drivel confirming that you, in fact, don't understand the bigger picture at all.

Nah, it just went over your head, that's all.

I understand, some people try to pose themselves as "experts" but can't even be bothered to read a few paragraphs and forget their bias for one minute and actually read what is being said. Attention spam of a turtle.

Stop claiming people are ignorant, or are "newbies to Thailand' the contents of your posts suggest you haven't been in Thailand very long, or you haven't got a clue about how this country really works.

Some people never do I guess..

Edited December 20, 2014 by sjaak327

[sjaak327]

Well, the previous government was throwing away money, which makes them a bad government as you said. With Thai choosing them and the suggestion here that Thai will keep choosing them, it would seem to imply there's something seriously wrong.

If it's not the electorate, then it might be the system in which the electorate operates. That was, as some have it a 'democracy'.

Oh, I'm not kidding. This is a serious matter. One one hand we had the dictatorial parliamentary majority representing some billionair and his cronies and on the other hand the junta not representing democracy. I prefer improvement, you seem to prefer going back to the 'good old days'.

So, reports anyone ?

Hmm, maybe you haven't been paying attention but there are very few governments who don't throw money away. They have no choice in the matter as governments that do not spend do not get votes.

I fail to understand how you could refer to a dictatorial parliamentary majority. If you get a majority, you get to run the country, it isn't very strange. Of course the time such a majority would last is limited. And after that time, people get to choose others, or the same people, depending on the electorate's wishes.

So the previous system wasn't dictatorial in any sense of the word, and furthermore there were no limits such as we currently have. That parliamentary majority was also bound to rules and regulations from the constitution instead of being free whatever they do, due to amnesty in an self drafted constitution. I am surprised you fail to see (or acknowledge) this. One would think someone screaming bloody murder when someone allegedly breaks the law, would be opposed to anyone writing their own set of rules which takes away all accountability. This lot doesn't even have to fear the judiciary.

Funny you should mention some billionaire, if the assets declaration of some of the NLA members and the PM is anything to go by, it seems they somehow have gotten unimaginable wealth as well. The billionaire owned the most successful mobile operator in Thailand, whilst those rich NLA members and the PM are mere generals.

But we already know the line, that billionaire is corrupt to the core, whilst the generals have gotten their wealth legitimately. The rest of the world just shakes their head at such <deleted>.

The billionair who had been in the police force, used the Thai democracy to get a monopoly in Telecom. As PM he even granted an interesting loan to Myanmar to allow them to buy some services from Shinawatra Holdings. Very democratically so.

Anyway, after all this ... we should be another day closer to the reports the NCPO promised.

I don't pretend to know or even care how he got his money, all I know is he did own AIS, which was (and still is) by far the biggest mobile operator in Thailand. I am much more interested in how a mere general can gain so much money.

How is that possible Rubl, I am dying to hear.

[DaffyDuck]

I understand, some people try to pose themselves as "experts" but can't even be bothered to read a few paragraphs and forget their bias for one minute and actually read what is being said. Attention spam of a turtle.

As you amply illustrate.

[sjaak327]

I understand, some people try to pose themselves as "experts" but can't even be bothered to read a few paragraphs and forget their bias for one minute and actually read what is being said. Attention spam of a turtle.

As you amply illustrate.

Nope I don not illustrate at all, I take the trouble to explain myself. You might not agree, that is fine. But don't try to take the moral high ground and paint me as ignorant, as you have not brought a single argument to table to justify such remarks.

I have used easily verifiable facts to support my statements. I am not a Thaksin fan at all (in case you might think I am) but cannot and will not support a bunch of utterly corrupt army generals taking away rights of Thai citizens. At the end of the day, my postings are in support of those Thai citizens. I want them to be able to choose whoever they want to run their country.

If that happens to be some Thaksin related person, so be it, it is their right to choose whoever they want, it is really that simple.

Don't for one minute believe this lot is here to make Thailand better, or as they say stop corruption, the only corruption they will stop is the corruption they dont' directly or indirectly benefit from. And to be honest, that's not a whole lot, as we can see now. They go after the little guys, as the big corruption will be left untouched.

Welcome to Thailand.

[DaffyDuck]

I don't pretend to know or even care how he got his money, all I know is he did own AIS, which was (and still is) by far the biggest mobile operator in Thailand. I am much more interested in how a mere general can gain so much money.

How is that possible Rubl, I am dying to hear.

So, loosely translated, what you are saying is "I don't care to know how a lowly police officer managed to become owner of AIS, but I insist on total disclosure how the 'wealth' of a 'mere' general was acquired"

Damn, your hypocrisy knows no bounds - in fact, I doubt you're even aware of it.

I don't pretend to know or even care ...

I think this pretty much illustrated everything about your argumentative focus.

[sjaak327]

I don't pretend to know or even care how he got his money, all I know is he did own AIS, which was (and still is) by far the biggest mobile operator in Thailand. I am much more interested in how a mere general can gain so much money.

How is that possible Rubl, I am dying to hear.

So, loosely translated, what you are saying is "I don't care to know how a lowly police officer managed to become owner of AIS, but I insist on total disclosure how the 'wealth' of a 'mere' general was acquired"

Damn, your hypocrisy knows no bounds - in fact, I doubt you're even aware of it.

I don't pretend to know or even care ...

I think this pretty much illustrated everything about your argumentative focus.

Oh Daffy, you still don't get it do you. My posts indeed go right over your head.

The reason I don't care for Thaksin is that I know he is corrupt to the core. I don't need disclosure for something I already know.

The fact of the matter is, we have a new PM in Thailand, his name is Prayuth, and he claims to be a corruption killer. So why can I not ask about disclosure about his wealth, certainly this corruption killer should be free of corruption himself to be even allowed to utter his nonsense. Now I know this is not the case, the question really is when you wake up and realize the same.

[DaffyDuck]

citation needed. Please provided the sources for what you "know to not be the case". That'd be interesting.

[sjaak327]

citation needed. Please provided the sources for what you "know to not be the case". That'd be interesting.

Well Daffy, do I really need to explain ? How can a mere Thai General report assests worth almost 600 milllion THB ?

I am dying to hear the explanation.

Don't bother, I already know, and so should you, but I guess you are on a mission to justify the unjustifiable.