Thaksin in the list of those hunted for lese majeste and other offences

[whybother]

You could consider a military coup being an action of Lese Majeste itself. And a rape of the Constitution.

OK , i see your point-

Regards the undeniable growth under Thaksin

No wonder they are rewriting history books.

But the truth is the man improved Thailand immensely -

Growth of up to 7%

Whats going on now now is their business .

Its pointless to expect a western nation to sign on to their Hunt for him.

Especially given some countries like Australia don't even permit the Junta themselves on their soil.

America , and UK , western Europe , none seem remotely interested

Are you sure Thaksin's that good? Most years under Thaksin, Thailand had the lowest GDP growth of 4 big ASEAN countries. Growth up to 7.1%. Neighouring countries had growth up to 13.3%.

GDP Growth 2000-2006 (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?page=1)

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006

------ ------- ------ ------- ------- ------- -------

Thailand 4.8 2.2 5.3 7.1 6.3 4.6 5.1

Cambodia 8.8 8.0 6.7 8.5 10.3 13.3 10.8

Malaysia 8.9 0.5 5.4 5.8 6.8 5.3 5.6

Vietnam 6.8 6.2 6.3 6.9 7.5 7.5 7.0

Maybe that can put an end to the "Thaksin's a financial genius" BS.

[ammagic]

One can only hope!

[DaffyDuck]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra

Oh, cool, a Wikipedia article written by Robert Amsterdam, presented as a neutral source.

ROTFLOL.

I'm really glad that you are, at least, recognizing your own delusions, Lazarus - first step to getting better.

Edited December 21, 2014 by DaffyDuck

[DaffyDuck]

Are you sure Thaksin's that good? Most years under Thaksin, Thailand had the lowest GDP growth of 4 big ASEAN countries. Growth up to 7.1%. Neighouring countries had growth up to 13.3%.

GDP Growth 2000-2006 (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?page=1)

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006

------ ------- ------ ------- ------- ------- -------

Thailand 4.8 2.2 5.3 7.1 6.3 4.6 5.1

Cambodia 8.8 8.0 6.7 8.5 10.3 13.3 10.8

Malaysia 8.9 0.5 5.4 5.8 6.8 5.3 5.6

Vietnam 6.8 6.2 6.3 6.9 7.5 7.5 7.0

Maybe that can put an end to the "Thaksin's a financial genius" BS.

Sssshhhhh! Don't start challenging Fred and the other acolytes with damming facts. It makes their head hurt.

[LazarusRising]

Are you sure Thaksin's that good? Most years under Thaksin, Thailand had the lowest GDP growth of 4 big ASEAN countries. Growth up to 7.1%. Neighouring countries had growth up to 13.3%.

GDP Growth 2000-2006 (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?page=1)

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006

------ ------- ------ ------- ------- ------- -------

Thailand 4.8 2.2 5.3 7.1 6.3 4.6 5.1

Cambodia 8.8 8.0 6.7 8.5 10.3 13.3 10.8

Malaysia 8.9 0.5 5.4 5.8 6.8 5.3 5.6

Vietnam 6.8 6.2 6.3 6.9 7.5 7.5 7.0

Maybe that can put an end to the "Thaksin's a financial genius" BS.

Sssshhhhh! Don't start challenging Fred and the other acolytes with damming facts. It makes their head hurt.

Cambodias GDP is a measly 15,000 million US$ so 13% growth off such a low base is really stuff all. Thailand's GDP (400,000 million US$) is about twice the size of Vietnams and roughly equal to Malaysia's. Compared to Malaysia - the only relevant comparison - Thaksin has held his own. Thaksin's genius is not measured in GDP growth alone but also by the millions and millions of Thais whose living standards rose so dramatically as a direct result of Thaksins policies.

Edited December 21, 2014 by LazarusRising

[whybother]

Cambodias GDP is a measly 15,000 million US$ so 13% growth off such a low base is really stuff all. Thailand's GDP (400,000 million US$) is about twice the size of Vietnams and roughly equal to Malaysia's. Compared to Malaysia - the only relevant comparison - Thaksin has held his own. Thaksin's genius is not measured in GDP growth alone but also by the millions and millions of Thais whose living standards rose so dramatically as a direct result of Thaksins policies.

Given that the Thai GDP was on a par with Malaysia, living standards here would have risen dramatically anyway. Thaksin didn't do anything special.

[DaffyDuck]

Thaksin's genius

ROTFLOL. This guy is either hopelessly deluded, or he's Robert Amsterdam.

[LazarusRising]

Cambodias GDP is a measly 15,000 million US$ so 13% growth off such a low base is really stuff all. Thailand's GDP (400,000 million US$) is about twice the size of Vietnams and roughly equal to Malaysia's. Compared to Malaysia - the only relevant comparison - Thaksin has held his own. Thaksin's genius is not measured in GDP growth alone but also by the millions and millions of Thais whose living standards rose so dramatically as a direct result of Thaksins policies.

Given that the Thai GDP was on a par with Malaysia, living standards here would have risen dramatically anyway. Thaksin didn't do anything special.

No they wouldn't because without Thaksin the money would have remained in Bangkok and been funnelled into the pockets of the am-mart. Thaksin increased government spending in the rural areas by investing in infrastructure, health and education all of which fed back into the rapid national economic. Thaksin didn't do anything special by world standards but he did things extremely special when compared to how Thailand had been run in the 8 decades that preceded his government.

growth.

[The Deerhunter]

thaksin's culpability in the thousands of murders that occured during his "war on drugs" campaign would be my number one reason for apprehending him

Yes because there is no one worse or that equals him right?

Exactly right. With a straight face and no double meanings implied or intended!!!!!

[LazarusRising]

thaksin's culpability in the thousands of murders that occured during his "war on drugs" campaign would be my number one reason for apprehending him

Yes because there is no one worse or that equals him right?

Exactly right. With a straight face and no double meanings implied or intended!!!!!

Exactly right. With a straight face and no double meanings implied or intended!!!!!........ and an extreme level of ignorance of the relevant facts

[The Deerhunter]

LM112 is the highest and most important law of the land. This is the land of the father. He provided love, peace and hope for all his children living under his protection. Anyone who do not love the father do not deserve to live here and should be jailed until they do.

There is no law in Thailand. The military coup illegally took control of the country and abolished the constitution. There are no legally elected officials in Thailand.

These "not legally elected officials" are doing a better job than those pretended to be legally elected officials before who performed illegally

On balance I still agree with you but it would be nice to see some real focus on positive nation building instead of all this flailing about. Even the "war on corruption" has been hijacked sideways into something different and is now much less than the general clean out of the corrupt police hierarchy that Thailand was hoping for I still support what the general said he wanted to do. I am just wondering when we are going to see more really good stuff that will benefit Thailand and Thai people as a whole. These personality wars are support losers. Move on. They risk enhancing Thaksin's status as a martyr with these charges. There is still a real big job out there that begs to be done as promised. And it gets harder every month it is delayed by red herrings.

[The Deerhunter]

....it ends for ever no later than 2016.

Wow, this is even more entertaining than I thought possible.

Let's compare notes in 2017, when PM Prayuth will have his 2-3 years needed to start making a difference, and when no one will even remember Thaksin.

Oh, the people of the North & Northeast will still remember him, particularly if he is locked up HERE on charges that they feel were less than fairly presented. All this attention for alleged name calling is only going to enhance his "martyr status" and play the game the very wrong way for them. Time to get back to the job in hand. Make Thailand a prosperous happy place to live with definite major reductions in public & private corruption and real justice for all. That is what was promised.

[LazarusRising]

LM112 is the highest and most important law of the land. This is the land of the father. He provided love, peace and hope for all his children living under his protection. Anyone who do not love the father do not deserve to live here and should be jailed until they do.

There is no law in Thailand. The military coup illegally took control of the country and abolished the constitution. There are no legally elected officials in Thailand.

These "not legally elected officials" are doing a better job than those pretended to be legally elected officials before who performed illegally

On balance I still agree with you but it would be nice to see some real focus on positive nation building instead of all this flailing about. Even the "war on corruption" has been hijacked sideways into something different and is now much less than the general clean out of the corrupt police hierarchy that Thailand was hoping for I still support what the general said he wanted to do. I am just wondering when we are going to see more really good stuff that will benefit Thailand and Thai people as a whole. These personality wars are support losers. Move on. They risk enhancing Thaksin's status as a martyr with these charges. There is still a real big job out there that begs to be done as promised. And it gets harder every month it is delayed by red herrings.

There was never a war on corruption - only the gullible bought that lie. The only thing the Junta are capable of doing to benefit the Thai people is to hold an election as an election would be the end of the Junta who are Thailands biggest problem.

[The Deerhunter]

thaksin's culpability in the thousands of murders that occured during his "war on drugs" campaign would be my number one reason for apprehending him

Yes because there is no one worse or that equals him right?

Exactly right. With a straight face and no double meanings implied or intended!!!!!

Exactly right. With a straight face and no double meanings implied or intended!!!!!........ and an extreme level of ignorance of the relevant facts

From that comment & your other recent posts it is plain you have a different view of what you call facts from my view, at the very least. Extreme level of ignorance???? Takes one to think he sees one

[Sawan Chan 7]

There was never a war on corruption - only the gullible bought that lie. The only thing the Junta are capable of doing to benefit the Thai people is to hold an election as an election would be the end of the Junta who are Thailands biggest problem.

On balance I still agree with you but it would be nice to see some real focus on positive nation building instead of all this flailing about. Even the "war on corruption" has been hijacked sideways into something different and is now much less than the general clean out of the corrupt police hierarchy that Thailand was hoping for I still support what the general said he wanted to do. I am just wondering when we are going to see more really good stuff that will benefit Thailand and Thai people as a whole. These personality wars are support losers. Move on. They risk enhancing Thaksin's status as a martyr with these charges. There is still a real big job out there that begs to be done as promised. And it gets harder every month it is delayed by red herrings.

LM112 is the highest and most important law of the land. This is the land of the father. He provided love, peace and hope for all his children living under his protection. Anyone who do not love the father do not deserve to live here and should be jailed until they do.

There is no law in Thailand. The military coup illegally took control of the country and abolished the constitution. There are no legally elected officials in Thailand.

These "not legally elected officials" are doing a better job than those pretended to be legally elected officials before who performed illegally

Your posts read like you haven't actually a clue as to Thai recent history. Do us all a favor and hijack another thread.

[whybother]

Cambodias GDP is a measly 15,000 million US$ so 13% growth off such a low base is really stuff all. Thailand's GDP (400,000 million US$) is about twice the size of Vietnams and roughly equal to Malaysia's. Compared to Malaysia - the only relevant comparison - Thaksin has held his own. Thaksin's genius is not measured in GDP growth alone but also by the millions and millions of Thais whose living standards rose so dramatically as a direct result of Thaksins policies.

Given that the Thai GDP was on a par with Malaysia, living standards here would have risen dramatically anyway. Thaksin didn't do anything special.

No they wouldn't because without Thaksin the money would have remained in Bangkok and been funnelled into the pockets of the am-mart. Thaksin increased government spending in the rural areas by investing in infrastructure, health and education all of which fed back into the rapid national economic. Thaksin didn't do anything special by world standards but he did things extremely special when compared to how Thailand had been run in the 8 decades that preceded his government.

growth.

And you've got the figures for 2001 - 2005?

[Fred Flinstone]

You could consider a military coup being an action of Lese Majeste itself. And a rape of the Constitution.

OK , i see your point-

Regards the undeniable growth under Thaksin

No wonder they are rewriting history books.

But the truth is the man improved Thailand immensely -

Growth of up to 7%

Whats going on now now is their business .

Its pointless to expect a western nation to sign on to their Hunt for him.

Especially given some countries like Australia don't even permit the Junta themselves on their soil.

America , and UK , western Europe , none seem remotely interested

Are you sure Thaksin's that good? Most years under Thaksin, Thailand had the lowest GDP growth of 4 big ASEAN countries. Growth up to 7.1%. Neighouring countries had growth up to 13.3%.

GDP Growth 2000-2006 (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?page=1)

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006

------ ------- ------ ------- ------- ------- -------

Thailand 4.8 2.2 5.3 7.1 6.3 4.6 5.1

Cambodia 8.8 8.0 6.7 8.5 10.3 13.3 10.8

Malaysia 8.9 0.5 5.4 5.8 6.8 5.3 5.6

Vietnam 6.8 6.2 6.3 6.9 7.5 7.5 7.0

Maybe that can put an end to the "Thaksin's a financial genius" BS.

You foolishly post a figure of 2003 that shows it was (as i mentioned "growth up to 7%") in fact up to 7%.

In a debate you don't validate the opponents claim.

Those above figures *(in case the reader is unaware ) are good economic results

[DaffyDuck]

Someone's worried their lies are catching up with them...

[whybother]

You could consider a military coup being an action of Lese Majeste itself. And a rape of the Constitution.

OK , i see your point-

Regards the undeniable growth under Thaksin

No wonder they are rewriting history books.

But the truth is the man improved Thailand immensely -

Growth of up to 7%

Whats going on now now is their business .

Its pointless to expect a western nation to sign on to their Hunt for him.

Especially given some countries like Australia don't even permit the Junta themselves on their soil.

America , and UK , western Europe , none seem remotely interested

Are you sure Thaksin's that good? Most years under Thaksin, Thailand had the lowest GDP growth of 4 big ASEAN countries. Growth up to 7.1%. Neighouring countries had growth up to 13.3%.

GDP Growth 2000-2006 (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?page=1)

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006

------ ------- ------ ------- ------- ------- -------

Thailand 4.8 2.2 5.3 7.1 6.3 4.6 5.1

Cambodia 8.8 8.0 6.7 8.5 10.3 13.3 10.8

Malaysia 8.9 0.5 5.4 5.8 6.8 5.3 5.6

Vietnam 6.8 6.2 6.3 6.9 7.5 7.5 7.0

Maybe that can put an end to the "Thaksin's a financial genius" BS.

You foolishly post a figure of 2003 that shows it was (as i mentioned "growth up to 7%") in fact up to 7%.

In a debate you don't validate the opponents claim.

Those above figures *(in case the reader is unaware ) are good economic results

Everyone was getting those results. What was so special about Thaksin? Especially when in other years Thailand's results were worse than its neighbor's. That was the only year Thailand had better growth. In other years, it was much worse.

I validated your claim and showed that it means nothing when looking at the bigger picture. You can't just cherry pick a number to try to make Thaksin look good.

[whybother]

Go educate yourself is my last piece of advice.

Look at their GDP- (hint)

Like Malaysia's? Someone commented before that it was similar to Thailand's. And they had better growth over most of these years.

[tbthailand]

Cambodias GDP is a measly 15,000 million US$ so 13% growth off such a low base is really stuff all. Thailand's GDP (400,000 million US$) is about twice the size of Vietnams and roughly equal to Malaysia's. Compared to Malaysia - the only relevant comparison - Thaksin has held his own. Thaksin's genius is not measured in GDP growth alone but also by the millions and millions of Thais whose living standards rose so dramatically as a direct result of Thaksins policies.

Given that the Thai GDP was on a par with Malaysia, living standards here would have risen dramatically anyway. Thaksin didn't do anything special.

As I recall, in Thailand, the spread of universal healthcare did a great deal to improve living standards of the poor and to reduce poverty.

In that way, Thailand is not exceptional. The same thing happens everywhere similar policies are implemented.

Nor apparently was Thaksin exceptional except for the fact that he gets credit for doing it. And that supported his popularity among voters.

So as far as I am concerned, some of his policies had a demonstrable effect on the living standards of a large portion of the population.

[DaffyDuck]

But that's the only way the acolyte can pretend Thaksin looks good - cherry pick ONE number, and fervently ignore anything else.

Edited December 21, 2014 by DaffyDuck

[Smokemachine]

Need to settle the square head once and for all. Eventually he will still haunt thailand when election starts. Everyone know there is no real peace as long he is around.

[DaffyDuck]

You hit the nail right on the head. I have a feeling that issue will be resolved right around the time the country is ready for elections. I'm quite sure no one will miss him when that happens.

[englishoak]

Dont worry when ol squarehead is long gone there will always be a boogy man to try and scare the children people with.

Edited December 21, 2014 by englishoak

[LazarusRising]

Need to settle the square head once and for all. Eventually he will still haunt thailand when election starts. Everyone know there is no real peace as long he is around.

And when he is gone and the people still elect left of centre populist governments that serve all of the people in all of the country equally what will you want then? To kill off whoever picks up where Thaksin leaves off? You can't keep overthrowing elected governments, forcing leaders and intellectuals into exile and censoring an entire nation forever - it's over, the era of serfdom has finished and the era of democracy and equality is beginning. It is irrelevant whether Thaksin is alive or not, Thailand has changed forever.

[LazarusRising]

You hit the nail right on the head. I have a feeling that issue will be resolved right around the time the country is ready for elections. I'm quite sure no one will miss him when that happens.

You are quite sure that no one will miss him, it seems the only thing we can be quite sure about is your detachment from reality. Thaksin is idolised by millions and millions of Thais, if he were to die and his body be bought back for burial it would dwarf all events that have occurred in Thailand to date - the country would explode from within as the masses vented their pent up frustration for decades of mistreatment at the hands of those opposed freedom and equality. Even the death of a third rate goose such as Suthep would be an event given the current political climate in this country. You are absolutely clueless.

[LazarusRising]

Cambodias GDP is a measly 15,000 million US$ so 13% growth off such a low base is really stuff all. Thailand's GDP (400,000 million US$) is about twice the size of Vietnams and roughly equal to Malaysia's. Compared to Malaysia - the only relevant comparison - Thaksin has held his own. Thaksin's genius is not measured in GDP growth alone but also by the millions and millions of Thais whose living standards rose so dramatically as a direct result of Thaksins policies.

Given that the Thai GDP was on a par with Malaysia, living standards here would have risen dramatically anyway. Thaksin didn't do anything special.

No they wouldn't because without Thaksin the money would have remained in Bangkok and been funnelled into the pockets of the am-mart. Thaksin increased government spending in the rural areas by investing in infrastructure, health and education all of which fed back into the rapid national economic. Thaksin didn't do anything special by world standards but he did things extremely special when compared to how Thailand had been run in the 8 decades that preceded his government.

growth.

And you've got the figures for 2001 - 2005?

Numbers were worse before Thaksin. Shows you how greedy the elites are that 72% of the money going to less than 17% of the population is such an improvement that making the change has elevated Thaksin to a god like status across the majority of the nation. Any sane person looking at the above graph realizes that things can't go on as they have been in this nation - change is inevitable.

[DaffyDuck]

You hit the nail right on the head. I have a feeling that issue will be resolved right around the time the country is ready for elections. I'm quite sure no one will miss him when that happens.

You are quite sure that no one will miss him, it seems the only thing we can be quite sure about is your detachment from reality.

Projecting a lot, aren't you? Seems consistent.

[Plutojames88]

Need to settle the square head once and for all. Eventually he will still haunt thailand when election starts. Everyone know there is no real peace as long he is around.

And when he is gone and the people still elect left of centre populist governments that serve all of the people in all of the country equally what will you want then? To kill off whoever picks up where Thaksin leaves off? You can't keep overthrowing elected governments, forcing leaders and intellectuals into exile and censoring an entire nation forever - it's over, the era of serfdom has finished and the era of democracy and equality is beginning. It is irrelevant whether Thaksin is alive or not, Thailand has changed forever.

Refreshing to hear the truth .

Death brings change.

They know that .

Fear that .

This is the Amber's of a long fire flickering