Meat exposed in open tubs

[Anthony5]

As you probably will have noticed already, the major supermarkets in Thailand have a tending to sell their chicken and other meats in big open tubs stationed in the middle of the walking area.

That way it is all day exposed to sneezes, coughs and more of thousand of people passing and scrambling in those tubs. Some may have diseases that are transmittable or bad hygiene.

I for one will never buy any meat out of such a tub, even if it was for free, and would think that in the Western world this would be strictly forbidden.

What do you think about this practice?

[LburtonL]

OCD !!!

[weegee]

We only buy from those "Tubs" as you call them....for the Dogs to eat. Some kid picking his nose then helping mum....yuk !

[chrisinth]

If you are into eating your meat raw, then that is very sound advice OP.

Otherwise, if you know how to properly cook your food, it is just scaremongery.............................

[Anthony5]

If you are into eating your meat raw, then that is very sound advice OP.

Otherwise, if you know how to properly cook your food, it is just scaremongery.............................

If what you say is true, then why you never see this kind of sales in Western supermarkets. We all know that the major supermarkets in Thailand are wholly owned by Western supermarket groups.

[JDGRUEN]

I hope that this is the wave of the future for Thailand -- and the concept becomes a sales method to copy-cat...

http://www.betagro.com/index_en.php

It is not OCD to not want to buy meat from an open tub where the meat has literally been fingered by passers by. Rather it is just awareness that the meat in the tub can easily be contaminated and cooking is not a full proof answer. Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex. The meats in the open air evening - night Thai markets are handled the same way... I cannot imagine why a major supermarket chain copies this method...

For those of us who find it unappealing - there is little change for change in attitude... So markets like Betagro have a real future... And I have noticed that Thais frequent these shops as much or more than Westerners...

Edited December 19, 2014 by JDGRUEN

[Anthony5]

I hope that this is the wave of the future for Thailand -- and the concept becomes a sales method to copy-cat...

http://www.betagro.com/index_en.php

It is not OCD to not want to buy meat from an open tub where the meat has literally been fingered by passers by. Rather it is just awareness that the meat in the tub can easily be contaminated and cooking is not a full proof answer. Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex. The meats in the open air evening - night Thai markets are handled the same way... I cannot imagine why a major supermarket chain copies this method...

For those of us who find it unappealing - there is little change for change in attitude... So markets like Betagro have a real future... And I have noticed that Thais frequent these shops as much or more than Westerners...

Thanks for your post, i couldn't have explained the real issue better than that.

[simon43]

Have you ever got ill after buying, cooking and eating the meat from these open tubs?

[Anthony5]

Have you ever got ill after buying, cooking and eating the meat from these open tubs?

Hard to say when i posted already that even wouldn't consider eating that meat if it was for free.

Since the explanation from Jdgruen isn't science fiction i would think that are frequently people getting sick from eating that meat.

Ever considered the idea that someone with Ebola or Birdflu sneezes above such a tub?

[weegee]

Have you ever got ill after buying, cooking and eating the meat from these open tubs?

Nope....would never buy it to find out...

[Jip99]

I hope that this is the wave of the future for Thailand -- and the concept becomes a sales method to copy-cat...

http://www.betagro.com/index_en.php

It is not OCD to not want to buy meat from an open tub where the meat has literally been fingered by passers by. Rather it is just awareness that the meat in the tub can easily be contaminated and cooking is not a full proof answer. Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex. The meats in the open air evening - night Thai markets are handled the same way... I cannot imagine why a major supermarket chain copies this method...

For those of us who find it unappealing - there is little change for change in attitude... So markets like Betagro have a real future... And I have noticed that Thais frequent these shops as much or more than Westerners...

Thanks for your post, i couldn't have explained the real issue better than that.

I agree with chrisinth - scaremongering. Just don't buy if you don't like the practice. You are more likely to get food poisoning from lettuce washed in dirty. Cooking food properly is about as FOOL proof as you can get.

You and JDGRUEN make ideal bedfellows - too much time on your hands and too little to talk about. .... perhaps a discussion on sell by dates next.................

[Anthony5]

I hope that this is the wave of the future for Thailand -- and the concept becomes a sales method to copy-cat...

http://www.betagro.com/index_en.php

It is not OCD to not want to buy meat from an open tub where the meat has literally been fingered by passers by. Rather it is just awareness that the meat in the tub can easily be contaminated and cooking is not a full proof answer. Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex. The meats in the open air evening - night Thai markets are handled the same way... I cannot imagine why a major supermarket chain copies this method...

For those of us who find it unappealing - there is little change for change in attitude... So markets like Betagro have a real future... And I have noticed that Thais frequent these shops as much or more than Westerners...

Thanks for your post, i couldn't have explained the real issue better than that.

I agree with chrisinth - scaremongering. Just don't buy if you don't like the practice. You are more likely to get food poisoning from lettuce washed in dirty. Cooking food properly is about as FOOL proof as you can get.

You and JDGRUEN make ideal bedfellows - too much time on your hands and too little to talk about. .... perhaps a discussion on sell by dates next.................

Tell that to the food safety departments in your home country.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

I hope that this is the wave of the future for Thailand -- and the concept becomes a sales method to copy-cat...

http://www.betagro.com/index_en.php

It is not OCD to not want to buy meat from an open tub where the meat has literally been fingered by passers by. Rather it is just awareness that the meat in the tub can easily be contaminated and cooking is not a full proof answer. Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex. The meats in the open air evening - night Thai markets are handled the same way... I cannot imagine why a major supermarket chain copies this method...

For those of us who find it unappealing - there is little change for change in attitude... So markets like Betagro have a real future... And I have noticed that Thais frequent these shops as much or more than Westerners...

Thanks for your post, i couldn't have explained the real issue better than that.

I agree with chrisinth - scaremongering. Just don't buy if you don't like the practice. You are more likely to get food poisoning from lettuce washed in dirty. Cooking food properly is about as FOOL proof as you can get.

You and JDGRUEN make ideal bedfellows - too much time on your hands and too little to talk about. .... perhaps a discussion on sell by dates next.................

If cooked properly, no problem with health.

You might not like the idea, but it won't make anyone ill.

[willyumiii]

This is Thailand.

Most.(all) meat in my town is sold fresh from the cleaver, to the tray, never refridigerated.

I have been buying from these vendors for years.

I check , bu smelling, for freshness.

Neither I or anyone in my family have even been ill from eating it!

Common sense says washingand cooking it properly is a necessity. ( duh! )

The meat I buy here is much fresher than the cold stored meat sold in the super markets in the western world and I believe safer to eat.

Stay in western wannabe Thailand where people make a fortune off of your phobias.

They love you and your phobias.

[Jip99]

I hope that this is the wave of the future for Thailand -- and the concept becomes a sales method to copy-cat...

http://www.betagro.com/index_en.php

It is not OCD to not want to buy meat from an open tub where the meat has literally been fingered by passers by. Rather it is just awareness that the meat in the tub can easily be contaminated and cooking is not a full proof answer. Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex. The meats in the open air evening - night Thai markets are handled the same way... I cannot imagine why a major supermarket chain copies this method...

For those of us who find it unappealing - there is little change for change in attitude... So markets like Betagro have a real future... And I have noticed that Thais frequent these shops as much or more than Westerners...

Thanks for your post, i couldn't have explained the real issue better than that.

I agree with chrisinth - scaremongering. Just don't buy if you don't like the practice. You are more likely to get food poisoning from lettuce washed in dirty. Cooking food properly is about as FOOL proof as you can get.

You and JDGRUEN make ideal bedfellows - too much time on your hands and too little to talk about. .... perhaps a discussion on sell by dates next.................

Tell that to the food safety departments in your home country.

You are wrong - again.

Rather than just guess/speculate/scaremonger - try using even Google to get the correct answer.

Look - I will even help you.... http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/types/

Stop scaremongering - you are becoming a bore!!

[willyumiii]

Wheew!

I thought this was going to be a thread about well hung guys in hot tubs!

[danbradster]

If you are into eating your meat raw, then that is very sound advice OP.

Otherwise, if you know how to properly cook your food, it is just scaremongery.............................

If what you say is true, then why you never see this kind of sales in Western supermarkets. We all know that the major supermarkets in Thailand are wholly owned by Western supermarket groups.

It could be due to Western government hygeine regulations, but it could also be due to customer preferences. If Westerners trust packaged product more, then the supermarkets will provide that, as it would reuslt in more sales and more profit.

[Anthony5]

Tell that to the food safety departments in your home country.

You are wrong - again.

Rather than just guess/speculate/scaremonger - try using even Google to get the correct answer.

Look - I will even help you.... http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/types/

Stop scaremongering - you are becoming a bore!!

Getting boring? You should start with reading the link you posted yourself.

Look I help you:

At room temperature, bacteria in food can double every 20 minutes. The more bacteria there are, the greater the chance you could become sick.

Chicken and Other Poultry

Poultry may contain harmful bacteria such as salmonella, listeria, and campylobacter. Washing chicken and other poultry does not remove bacteria. You can kill these bacteria only by cooking chicken to the proper temperature.

Then proceed to what Jdgruen wrote.

Look I help you again

Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex.

Did it ever come up with you that the majority of people in this country don't have even the slightest idea what the proper temperature is, and even if they know, this isn't called Maipenrai country for nothing.

Edited December 19, 2014 by Anthony5

[chrisinth]

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We only buy from those "Tubs" as you call them....for the Dogs to eat. Some kid picking his nose then helping mum....yuk !

We're the same. But its usually the wife picking her nose then helping me.

But seriously, never had either of the dogs go down with anything caught from the bins. Maybe they grew up the same as me, where it was considered OK if the kids played in the dirt and ate some of it while playing. In those days it was called boosting the immune, system unlike todays clinical approach to things.

Yes OP, you do have a point. But nobody is forcing you to buy it, and I still stick to my earlier statement that if the food is cooked properly, it will be fine.

[daveAustin]

This is Thailand.

The meat I buy here is much fresher than the cold stored meat sold in the super markets in the western world and I believe safer to eat.

Mmm, hormones, yum yum! You're probably never sick because bacteria never has a chance to infiltrate your system after all the antibiotics you're consuming.

[Anthony5]

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We only buy from those "Tubs" as you call them....for the Dogs to eat. Some kid picking his nose then helping mum....yuk !

We're the same. But its usually the wife picking her nose then helping me.

But seriously, never had either of the dogs go down with anything caught from the bins. Maybe they grew up the same as me, where it was considered OK if the kids played in the dirt and ate some of it while playing. In those days it was called boosting the immune, system unlike todays clinical approach to things.

Yes OP, you do have a point. But nobody is forcing you to buy it, and I still stick to my earlier statement that if the food is cooked properly, it will be fine.

Would you succeed in eating everything your dogs eat without getting sick?

Guess you have seen the last line in the OP that says, what do you think about this practice, which means the same as what is your opinion.

[ukrules]

You are wrong - again.

Rather than just guess/speculate/scaremonger - try using even Google to get the correct answer.

Look - I will even help you.... http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/types/

Stop scaremongering - you are becoming a bore!!

Raw meat may contain bacteria, such as E. coli, salmonella, and listeria, or parasites. Thorough cooking destroys these harmful organisms,

Fair enough

but meat can become contaminated again if it is not handled and stored properly.

Well duh, smeering potential poison from raw meat over cooked meat will make it contaminated, this much is obvious.

You can kill these bacteria only by cooking chicken to the proper temperature.

So cook it properly, wash your hands after touching the raw meat while it's cooking and before you handle the cooked meat and you're all good !

If you really want to worry about food poisoning you should consider bacteria types which produce toxins that are not destroyed by cooking.

The bacteria will die during cooking but the toxins were never alive in the first place......food for thought ?

The most common of these toxin producing bacteria is bacillus cereus which is often found in rice.

[h90]

If you are into eating your meat raw, then that is very sound advice OP.

Otherwise, if you know how to properly cook your food, it is just scaremongery.............................

If what you say is true, then why you never see this kind of sales in Western supermarkets. We all know that the major supermarkets in Thailand are wholly owned by Western supermarket groups.

I thought most are CP owned......and anyway they can't be owned more than 49% by West

Edited December 19, 2014 by h90

[h90]

I see the problem and I can advise a solution:

Don't eat the chicken raw. Heat it before you eat it.

While it wouldn't legal in the West (do we eat our chicken raw?) I can't see the sidewalks full of dead Thais who bought the chicken from the tubs.

[Jip99]

Tell that to the food safety departments in your home country.

You are wrong - again.

Rather than just guess/speculate/scaremonger - try using even Google to get the correct answer.

Look - I will even help you.... http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/types/

Stop scaremongering - you are becoming a bore!!

Getting boring? You should start with reading the link you posted yourself.

Look I help you:

At room temperature, bacteria in food can double every 20 minutes. The more bacteria there are, the greater the chance you could become sick.

Chicken and Other Poultry

Poultry may contain harmful bacteria such as salmonella, listeria, and campylobacter. Washing chicken and other poultry does not remove bacteria. You can kill these bacteria only by cooking chicken to the proper temperature.

Then proceed to what Jdgruen wrote.

Look I help you again

Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex.

Did it ever come up with you that the majority of people in this country don't have even the slightest idea what the proper temperature is, and even if they know, this isn't called Maipenrai country for nothing.

I am beginning to understand why you &lt;deleted&gt; up on your retirement extension monies!! .

Bacteria is everywhere .... BOO!!

Cook your food properly.

[Anthony5]

If you are into eating your meat raw, then that is very sound advice OP.

Otherwise, if you know how to properly cook your food, it is just scaremongery.............................

If what you say is true, then why you never see this kind of sales in Western supermarkets. We all know that the major supermarkets in Thailand are wholly owned by Western supermarket groups.

I thought most are CP owned......and anyway they can't be owned more than 49% by West

Everybody, including you, know that Tesco lotus is wholly owned by Tesco UK through a share construction with EK-Chai.

Big C same, is wholly owned by Casino France.

[Anthony5]

Tell that to the food safety departments in your home country.

You are wrong - again.

Rather than just guess/speculate/scaremonger - try using even Google to get the correct answer.

Look - I will even help you.... http://www.foodsafety.gov/keep/types/

Stop scaremongering - you are becoming a bore!!

Getting boring? You should start with reading the link you posted yourself.

Look I help you:

At room temperature, bacteria in food can double every 20 minutes. The more bacteria there are, the greater the chance you could become sick.

Chicken and Other Poultry

Poultry may contain harmful bacteria such as salmonella, listeria, and campylobacter. Washing chicken and other poultry does not remove bacteria. You can kill these bacteria only by cooking chicken to the proper temperature.

Then proceed to what Jdgruen wrote.

Look I help you again

Because the meat must be handled at home in putting the meat in storage or in cooking preparation. Next humans typically do the hand to mouth movements almost as a reflex.

Did it ever come up with you that the majority of people in this country don't have even the slightest idea what the proper temperature is, and even if they know, this isn't called Maipenrai country for nothing.

I am beginning to understand why you <deleted> up on your retirement extension monies!! .

Bacteria is everywhere .... BOO!!

Cook your food properly.

Why you try to make a fool of yourself by bring my retirement extension monies into a thread about food safety is beyond me.

Now read again what I said about cooking the food properly.

Did it ever come up with you that the majority of people in this country don't have even the slightest idea what the proper temperature is, and even if they know, this isn't called Maipenrai country for nothing.

[crazygreg44]

we assume you buy at the market and cook for yourself, leaving no doubt that no one with mai pen rai attitude can spoil your meal.

proper cooking destroys bacteria on meats . . it not rocket science. It needs to be really infested and days old and smelly , to cause you harm

if in doubt after frying or boiling meats, torch the bacteria directly with a flame thrower.

Yes I know I always watch and wonder how thai customers pick up and throw the meats around in the bucket with their bare hands . . and nobody complains.

That's why I don't eat fresh salads or sushi (!!!) in a thai restaurant ,only processed food, only deep fried or boiled stuff

Staying around the same place will but soon get your intestinal system used to the local bacteria, and the problem is solved by adaption . . .

Edited December 19, 2014 by crazygreg44

[AYJAYDEE]

we buy our meat from the stalls in the open air market. it sits there for hours with flies buzzing around. we take it home and cook it.just like its been done for centuries. sounds to me you would be better off staying in your home country. the stress of living here will kill you.

[h90]

If you are into eating your meat raw, then that is very sound advice OP.

Otherwise, if you know how to properly cook your food, it is just scaremongery.............................

If what you say is true, then why you never see this kind of sales in Western supermarkets. We all know that the major supermarkets in Thailand are wholly owned by Western supermarket groups.

I thought most are CP owned......and anyway they can't be owned more than 49% by West

Everybody, including you, know that Tesco lotus is wholly owned by Tesco UK through a share construction with EK-Chai.

Big C same, is wholly owned by Casino France.

You are right....I was under a wrong impression that it is CP owned....