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Words fail me so just, THANK YOU for being so supportive of these 2 guys and for reporting the day so well.

Awesome.

And they told me I am naive.... :rolleyes:

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10846384_10205709046393824_4992774214714826275_n.jpg IMPORTANT REPORT ON CASE COSTS AND UPDATED PRESS COVERAGE

MWRN KOH TAO CASE ACCUSED FAIR TRIAL JUSTICE FUNDRAISER SPENDING/BALANCE SUMMARY REPORT (all costs until Dec 27th 2014)

INCOME - 532, 899 Baht

(1) You-caring online fundraiser 391, 000 (US$1 = 32.92Baht) n.b total donated, not yet deduct website variable service fee (as of 27/12/14)

(2) MWRN Thailand bank donations 115, 969 (as of 27/12/14)

(3) MWRN Myanmar bank donations 25, 920 (as of 28/11/14)

SPENDING - 482, 702 Baht

(1) Samui prison visits to 2 accused including requested food/ accessories deposits, accused personal prison account cash deposits, misc. visit materials - 36, 437 Baht

(2) Pro bono (free of charge professional fee) lawyers case costs (Nakhon Chompuchat, Senior Advisor, LCT + misc. lawyers and legal team translator visits) for travel BKK to Samui/ accommodation/misc. food costs/taxi - 164, 229 Baht

(3) MWRN investigation/ migrant community liaison work Surat Thani Province - 84, 332 Baht

(4) MWRN team Samui based accom/meal support costs - 50, 724 Baht

(5) MWRN team transport Bangkok to Samui - 83, 630 Baht

(6) MWRN team case communication costs - 11, 000 Baht

(7) Samui based petrol costs (rental car) for all activities - 6, 050 Baht

(8) Samui based car rental and taxi for all activities - 46, 300 Baht

BALANCE 50, 187 THB (532, 889 - 482, 702 = 50,187) (n.b. not yet deduct You-Caring website fee)

For more information and updated activities and spending, find the fund donation page with a simple Google search as I am not allowed to post the link here.

Andy reports: Just spoke Wei Phyo/Zaw Lin in court. Both smiled innocently as usual, said 9 months in prison is a very long time for them. But seem strong.

Prosecution witness hearings set as 8th July to 28th August 2015. Defense witness hearings set as 1st September to 25th September 2015.

Our Koh Tao case defense team includes some very talented female lawyers, translators and assistants

Wei Phyo's parents emotionally address media in tears on leaving Koh Samui court after saying goodbye to their son, saluting the King's photo at court and praying and requesting for justice

Many news stories captured and reported on here: https://www.facebook.com/andy.hall.3110?fref=nf

I don't see the scb account of Andy mentioned. That was the most convenient for me and some others also.

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Words fail me so just, THANK YOU for being so supportive of these 2 guys and for reporting the day so well.

Awesome.

And they told me I am naive.... rolleyes.gif

They were just being polite.

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AleG post # 211.

And they told me I am naive....

It is common knowledge that those who live in ''closeted'' worlds have no concept of the reality of life.

In their ''closeted'' worlds ''ignorance is bliss,''

Naive

adjective

1.
having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality; unsophisticated; ingenuous.

2.

having or showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information;credulous:
3.
having or marked by a simple, unaffectedly direct style reflecting little or no formal training , education or technique:
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Unfettered declarations of innocence and no word whatsoever on what support this British lead group is offering to the parents of the deceased is a major red flag IMO. If they don't adopt a more professional/neutral approach we can expect some interesting footage next July when/if the families choose to attend.

Posted as a parent.

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More news from the court room.

Looks from that report that the 2 Brits mentioned may be reluctant witnesses as the report talks about summonses.

Also the guitarist with similar wounds pretty much gives an identification.

It would seem that they are going to do their best to attempt to get bail for the Burmese 2 which is good news.

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More news from the court room.

Looks from that report that the 2 Brits mentioned may be reluctant witnesses as the report talks about summonses.

Also the guitarist with similar wounds pretty much gives an identification.

It would seem that they are going to do their best to attempt to get bail for the Burmese 2 which is good news.

I agree although I would guess that just 1 may be reluctant.

The other one has little to fear other than the intimidation he experienced before.

To put a name: Sean is a loose cannon with apparent serious personal issues and could be dismissed as an unreliable witness, that would not surprise me or many others.

It has to be remembered that just hours after his 'friend' was brutally murdered he was hosting a pub crawl less than a km away from where his 'friends' body was discovered.

Bail would be excellent, it is disturbing that these two should be incarcerated whilst awaiting trial. As the Myanmar government is prepared to guarantee their appearance at trial, flight risk is not an issue.

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There is ever expanding news coverage over the atrocity being carried out by the RTP and the prosecution office on the islands.

Great stories are on line and on the air that tell the true story of this very sick den of mafia toughs, on all three islands.

Look here to see photos proudly posted on facebook by some Koh Tao 'locals'. The idiotic thugs on Kho Tao are mocking the deaths and all the while the two innocent lads are on trial for their lives. And the “milk” <monk> was just given his robes. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152490756817274&set=a.44716087273.67425.540127273&type=1&theater

There is only a wee glimmer of hope. While the prosecution has a heavy burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, there is still some reasonable doubt justice here will prevail in the fact of the bribes already paid to many by the mafia bosses.

We need substantial sums to defend this case, to carry us forward during the next 7 months of investigation allowed us, and then to carry on in Court for the three months testimony is expected to take.

The sums needed can be frightening unless we can find a few large donors. Please reach out to all who you know. Please.

Sadly the TVA rules will not allow me to post the way to make contribution. PLEASE IM me. Click my ID SLESQ, then look on the upper right to find the button “Send me amessage.” Ask or tell me what you will and I will send the information to you directly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch… Metropolitan police now admit confusion in Thai police investigation

http://mikeestravels.com/…/the-dark-side-of-thailands-isla…/ THE DARK SIDE OF THAILAND’S ISLAND PARADISE

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I have a thick skin!!

It is encouraging that the self proclaimed crusader is still excited by my posts and feels compelled to respond, even to the smallest one.

\Good, perhaps he will remember this question he has not answered yet:

The following PROFESSIONAL people and organisations and members of the public have expressed serious concerns as to the handling of this case investigation and prosecution.

UK based fair rights group Reprieve.

Andy Hall well known and highly respected human rights activist.

Amnesty International.

The THAI national human rights committee

Sondhi Limthongkul

Head of Thasi forensics Dr. Pornthip

99% of the posters on this forum (estimate)

Almost 500,000 followers of a social media site that is in the top 18 sites on facebook

Change.org

The UK police who are just now starting to express opinions and views, none of them complimentary to the RTP

Lastly, and by no means least, the whole of the Burmese government has thrown its collective and not inconsiderable weight and influence into the believed innocence of 2 of its poorer citizens.

As for as I am aware this is unprecedented and not only can it bring serious consequences to international and trade relationships that are vital to Thailand it has lifted Myanmar to an elevated status on the international stage that Thaiiand can only envy.

Myanmar, its government and its people, we salute you, you are showing yourself to be awesome.

Please look at the lists above and name 1 international organisation that has declared publicly, on record, that they think the RTP have done a good investigation.

You cant can you??

I don't care what people and organizations believe, specially not imaginary people, like your 99% or TV posters or half a million Facebook people; I care about what the evidence proves, you know, facts, not opinions.

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I have a thick skin!!

It is encouraging that the self proclaimed crusader is still excited by my posts and feels compelled to respond, even to the smallest one.

\Good, perhaps he will remember this question he has not answered yet:

The following PROFESSIONAL people and organisations and members of the public have expressed serious concerns as to the handling of this case investigation and prosecution.

UK based fair rights group Reprieve.

Andy Hall well known and highly respected human rights activist.

Amnesty International.

The THAI national human rights committee

Sondhi Limthongkul

Head of Thasi forensics Dr. Pornthip

99% of the posters on this forum (estimate)

Almost 500,000 followers of a social media site that is in the top 18 sites on facebook

Change.org

The UK police who are just now starting to express opinions and views, none of them complimentary to the RTP

Lastly, and by no means least, the whole of the Burmese government has thrown its collective and not inconsiderable weight and influence into the believed innocence of 2 of its poorer citizens.

As for as I am aware this is unprecedented and not only can it bring serious consequences to international and trade relationships that are vital to Thailand it has lifted Myanmar to an elevated status on the international stage that Thaiiand can only envy.

Myanmar, its government and its people, we salute you, you are showing yourself to be awesome.

Please look at the lists above and name 1 international organisation that has declared publicly, on record, that they think the RTP have done a good investigation.

You cant can you??

I don't care what people and organizations believe, specially not imaginary people, like your 99% or TV posters or half a million Facebook people; I care about what the evidence proves, you know, facts, not opinions.

Even if the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?

As long as the people you want to protect aren't implicated.

Posted

I don't care what people and organizations believe, specially not imaginary people, like your 99% or TV posters or half a million Facebook people; I care about what the evidence proves, you know, facts, not opinions.

Even if the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?

As long as the people you want to protect aren't implicated.

Prove this "the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?", then I may consider it.

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10846384_10205709046393824_4992774214714826275_n.jpg

There is ever expanding news coverage over the atrocity being carried out by the RTP and the prosecution office on the islands.

Great stories are on line and on the air that tell the true story of this very sick den of mafia toughs, on all three islands.

Look here to see photos proudly posted on facebook by some Koh Tao 'locals'. The idiotic thugs on Kho Tao are mocking the deaths and all the while the two innocent lads are on trial for their lives. And the milk <monk> was just given his robes. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152490756817274&set=a.44716087273.67425.540127273&type=1&theater

There is only a wee glimmer of hope. While the prosecution has a heavy burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, there is still some reasonable doubt justice here will prevail in the fact of the bribes already paid to many by the mafia bosses.

We need substantial sums to defend this case, to carry us forward during the next 7 months of investigation allowed us, and then to carry on in Court for the three months testimony is expected to take.

The sums needed can be frightening unless we can find a few large donors. Please reach out to all who you know. Please.

Sadly the TVA rules will not allow me to post the way to make contribution. PLEASE IM me. Click my ID SLESQ, then look on the upper right to find the button Send me amessage. Ask or tell me what you will and I will send the information to you directly.

Metropolitan police now admit confusion in Thai police investigation

http://mikeestravels.com//the-dark-side-of-thailands-isla/ THE DARK SIDE OF THAILANDS ISLAND PARADISE

I want believe the SLESQ is a legitimate organisation. I want to contribute to the b2. But when I see your post picture is a man dressed in drag. Especially a man dressed in drag with blonde hair. I would be very dubious about where I am sending my money.

Considering that in the original investigation, there was thought to be a blonde ladyboy at the sight.

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I don't care what people and organizations believe, specially not imaginary people, like your 99% or TV posters or half a million Facebook people; I care about what the evidence proves, you know, facts, not opinions.

Even if the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?

As long as the people you want to protect aren't implicated.

Prove this "the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?", then I may consider it.

Neither of us can prove any evidence or can you?

1. Coerced evidence. I believe the RTP are due to appear today before The Thai human rights commission to answer questions about their interrogation techniques so perhaps we will know more later today.

2. Evidence ignored. Failure to find people in CCTV footage. No 9 and the running man which I think is Nomsod Why has that person not been found?

Their refusal to share Nomsods DNA claiming with the British police claiming they were happy with their investigation which we know is a lie.

I would be very grateful if you could spare the time to consider it

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why did not the British investigators take DNA samples from the two boys and test them against the semen in the decesed body? Surely it is the first thing to be done. Or did the RTP refuse to let them?

I don't think the brit police can just call up the defense and say 'hey we have dna evidence 'that would be interference. The prosecution decided not to use the brit experts in their case. But there is no reason the defense cannot utilise the brit police and coroner.

the defense is entitled to send a written request to the coroner and ask them to test dna in regards to hannah.

Because the bodies have to be embalmed to be shipped....

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I don't care what people and organizations believe, specially not imaginary people, like your 99% or TV posters or half a million Facebook people; I care about what the evidence proves, you know, facts, not opinions.

Even if the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?

As long as the people you want to protect aren't implicated.

Prove this "the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?", then I may consider it.

That's the issue here. They have been asked to prove that, butt police refused to meet and answer. So what do they have to hide. The two innocent detainees who made the allegation deserve the same respect of the inquiry, it's that right. Why have they been denied? Keep in mind, as nothing has been proven. Just allegations by the police of their crimes at this point.
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Prove this "the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?", then I may consider it.

Neither of us can prove any evidence or can you?

1. Coerced evidence. I believe the RTP are due to appear today before The Thai human rights commission to answer questions about their interrogation techniques so perhaps we will know more later today.

2. Evidence ignored. Failure to find people in CCTV footage. No 9 and the running man which I think is Nomsod Why has that person not been found?

Their refusal to share Nomsods DNA claiming with the British police claiming they were happy with their investigation which we know is a lie.

I would be very grateful if you could spare the time to consider it

Speculation is not evidence. as for the confession of the Burmese, they could had put them through the rack and it would still not make one bit of difference whether they are the murderers or not. If they were tortured that is a separate issue, it has no bearing on the facts of the crime in Koh Tao.

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Prove this "the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?", then I may consider it.

Neither of us can prove any evidence or can you?

1. Coerced evidence. I believe the RTP are due to appear today before The Thai human rights commission to answer questions about their interrogation techniques so perhaps we will know more later today.

2. Evidence ignored. Failure to find people in CCTV footage. No 9 and the running man which I think is Nomsod Why has that person not been found?

Their refusal to share Nomsods DNA claiming with the British police claiming they were happy with their investigation which we know is a lie.

I would be very grateful if you could spare the time to consider it

Speculation is not evidence. as for the confession of the Burmese, they could had put them through the rack and it would still not make one bit of difference whether they are the murderers or not. If they were tortured that is a separate issue, it has no bearing on the facts of the crime in Koh Tao.

OK I've got it in your mind torture doesn't mater because it does not change the facts.

What about the ignored evidence?

DNA only proves sex not rape or murder so what are the facts that could convict the B2.

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Speculation is not evidence. as for the confession of the Burmese, they could had put them through the rack and it would still not make one bit of difference whether they are the murderers or not. If they were tortured that is a separate issue, it has no bearing on the facts of the crime in Koh Tao.

... as for the confession of the Burmese, they could had put them through the rack and it would still not make one bit of difference whether they are the murderers or not

I'll accept that with two provisos:

  • If the police had firm evidence that the B2 were guilty, why would they need coerced confessions? They would not, and it would be remarkably stupid of them to muddy the waters in this way.
  • Can we agree that if there is real doubt that the confessions were freely given in the presence of their lawyer and using a qualified translator, then the confessions should not be considered admissible evidence?

I wait with interest to view the remaining reliable evidence (with the coerced confessions discounted). Then we can judge the facts.

By the way, at which date do you believe the RTP started to tell the truth about suspects they had with strong evidence? Is the problem the B2 have that they are the first "suspects" that could not produce a strong alibi or buy their freedom?

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Prove this "the evidence has been coerced or manipulated and good evidence ignored or not investigated?", then I may consider it.

Neither of us can prove any evidence or can you?

1. Coerced evidence. I believe the RTP are due to appear today before The Thai human rights commission to answer questions about their interrogation techniques so perhaps we will know more later today.

2. Evidence ignored. Failure to find people in CCTV footage. No 9 and the running man which I think is Nomsod Why has that person not been found?

Their refusal to share Nomsods DNA claiming with the British police claiming they were happy with their investigation which we know is a lie.

I would be very grateful if you could spare the time to consider it

Speculation is not evidence. as for the confession of the Burmese, they could had put them through the rack and it would still not make one bit of difference whether they are the murderers or not. If they were tortured that is a separate issue, it has no bearing on the facts of the crime in Koh Tao.

Well for once I agree the confession should not make one iota of difference for either the defense or the prosecution in regards to the murder and evidence. However if the prosecution is using the confession as a strong piece of evidence in their case. Then the defense must fight tooth and nail to have it discredited.

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I am a retired lawyer, a man of 70 years and blessed with four sons, with over 45 years active board and court room experience, who has successfully litigated over 200 criminal prosecutions and defended more than 2,000 (contract/torn non-criminal) civil matters.

With all that experience I'm curious as to what would happen if opposing council/legal team/supporters in any court you attended unilateraly declared their client(s) innocent via social media prior to or during a hearing?

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