Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled

[catsanddogs]

This fellow in black is seen at 2:00am...with missing thong/flip flop...[the other one allegedly at crimescene]...not even sure of that as in some photo's it looks like he is wearing both. If so the crime hadn't taken place yet. To me he does not look like Maung Maung nor does he look like the fellow in the bar. I don't think they are even sitting at a table greenchair...looks like everyone is just standing haphazardly around the bar.

What's with all these balloons in the bars? Is there really a place named Chumporn? Chums sharing porn? Around and around we go.....

Edit: Are these the blue shorts then? The ones exchanged for David's better quality shorts as stated in one of the many reports to the media. Well then...who did the other beige one's belong to? Total mind Fuuuk!!!

David Miller's shorts (light blue) were left at the crime scene. In some photos and CCTV footage they look different, it's due to different white balance from different cameras producing different colour temperatures.

Really? He was wearing beige shorts on the evening of 14th and morning of 15th September according to CCTV images. Would you please post an image of the shorts you claim were left at the crime scene? And are you also claiming that these 'light blue' shorts were the ones he was wearing when he was murdered?

[StealthEnergiser]

Mon has always been a person of special interest to me as soon as it was widely reported from credible sources that he had refused to give DNA. I know it was then reported that he subsequently had a test that proved negative but why refuse in the first place? For somebody who was one of the first on the crime scene and even then when the scene was roped off he took it upon himself to cross the line and head for what looks like some items on the sand. Then he becomes a suspect and refuses DNA? The following could shed some light.

Another poster notified me of an article on another thread yesterday before it got deleted, so I'm not going to copy the article and have the same thing happen but I will paraphrase it so you get the gist. If anyone wants the link to the website that published the article then you can pm me or email me if you have it. Its a French website (google translates it well) and low and behold is blocked in Thailand.

The article claims that the murder or at least rape of Hannah was carried out by another person that has not been mentioned in these threads or in the media that I have seen (I have his name but will not publish here). This person being the son of somebody, I will leave you to join the dots above, along with another unidentified person. According to the article the condom found on the beach with Hannah's DNA would have revealed the true killer if the suspects DNA inside had not been destroyed. (by influential people)

Its also interesting that Mon on his facebook page made a post on the 11th Oct that was quite interesting, complaining about a certain man on the Island named "Prasit" I have attached a screenshot of the post thats been translated by Google into English. I also asked my Thai wife what it said and she confirmed to me that it is a direct complaint to somebody called Prasit, almost a threat of some sort saying that he needs to make money on the Island and why is he doing so much damage to the Island, burning it.

Who is Prasit? Here's a little speculation, the only Prasit I could find in Koh Tao is this one:

In a media interview yesterday, Prasit Sukdam also accused the police of giving him a large sum of money in exchange for false testimony to frame the wrong people. He claimed the money was taken from the Bt700,000 offered as a reward by Koh Tao residents for information leading to the arrest of the killers. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Police-promised-cash-reward-to-buy-false-testimony-30244573.html

Another of Mons posts states that social media should stop defending the 2 Burmese killers

As another point of interest the article also claims they've had many emails from French and English people on the Island who want to remain anonymous due to being scared of any repercussions from influential people but they believe the article is accurate.

Anyway for those interested I can give you the link

The defence have to call Prasit to say this under oath.

[thailandchilli]

I would say confusion reigns and nobody can be certain at this stage

A blue colored pants that was found by the body of Mr David is now believed to belong to the suspect. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/new-evidence-found-tourists-murder-case

"I would say confusion reigns and nobody can be certain at this stage"

Yes, in large part thanks to people deliberately cherry picking unconfirmed reports while ignoring subsequent information that disproves them.

Great so please enlighten me with the credible reports (links) with subsequent information that discounts the report I provided and proves your claim, if credible I will be more than happy to look at them, after all the RTP investigation has many twists and turns

Edited January 20, 2015 by thailandchilli

[StealthEnergiser]

Just read this on another site

Dr. Porntip explained about DNA testing process in details here. The process that she was talking about is practiced in America but not Thailand. As a result, there is a high probability human error and bias with Thai system.

[catsanddogs]

Where are those timestamps coming from? One is 00:50:45 and the other is 02:01:55. I must be missing something here. My marbles perhaps!

Cats - compared the t-shirt a few days back and the design on the front looks to be the same. Maung trousers - Win shirt? They could be standard wear for the workers. The fellow there looks very slight in stature compared to the three Burmese lads.

Some of the stills with time stamps come from T&C's post number 576 on this thread and others were posted by chetzee and later taken down from TV because of nature of comments. Then they reappeared by mods (but not all of them). If you go back to post 576 somewhere on that page is the full CCTV the stills were taken from. Unfortunately some of the footage does not show the time. The correct time is the one shown in the right hand corner of the CCTV straight after the date. So if for example you see 14/09/14 03:32:51 then I think you can be sure this is the correct time of the CCTV image. Other times shown on the bottom left of the videos relate the the length of video being examined and the time that particular piece of video was stopped to look at an image. Hopes that makes sense. Someone posted this explanation sometime back better than I have just done. I can assure you that the times I quoted of the stills are correct and other posters including T&C and Greenchair saw them too. Yes, tee shirt looks like the one Win was wearing and shorts look similar to the ones Maung was wearing.

[Chetzee]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Ale...I have been thinking all along that his shorts were beige. There was an early report that they had been taken and blue one's left behind. More misinformation or lost in translation.

David Miller's shorts (light blue) were left at the crime scene. In some photos and CCTV footage they look different, it's due to different white balance from different cameras producing different colour temperatures.

The shorts are on the table attached to the belt . you might need to adjust contrast , heat , saturation to see them for your self .

[thailandchilli]

Just read this on another site

Dr. Porntip explained about DNA testing process in details here. The process that she was talking about is practiced in America but not Thailand. As a result, there is a high probability human error and bias with Thai system.

Yes in another report she also said that the testing becomes less reliable when more than one set of DNA is looked for and identified, ie in this case we have claims by the RTP/Prosecution that the B2's DNA match the semen found in Hannah's body, but that semen must have been mixed together with each other and so they would have needed to separate the DNA to identify 2 separate people all apparently in record time and in a Thai lab that did not have the capability to distinguish Asian or Western DNA!!

Have no fear:

Gen Prayut said the British investigators were satisfied and had expressed those sentiments to their Thai counterparts.

The general claimed British officers had said Thai authorities had done better than they expected and that the investigation had been carried out the same way they would have done it, because both British and Thai police studied from the "same textbooks."

[Eirene]

This fellow in black is seen at 2:00am...with missing thong/flip flop...[the other one allegedly at crimescene]...not even sure of that as in some photo's it looks like he is wearing both. If so the crime hadn't taken place yet. To me he does not look like Maung Maung nor does he look like the fellow in the bar. I don't think they are even sitting at a table greenchair...looks like everyone is just standing haphazardly around the bar.

What's with all these balloons in the bars? Is there really a place named Chumporn? Chums sharing porn? Around and around we go.....

Edit: Are these the blue shorts then? The ones exchanged for David's better quality shorts as stated in one of the many reports to the media. Well then...who did the other beige one's belong to? Total mind Fuuuk!!!

David Miller's shorts (light blue) were left at the crime scene. In some photos and CCTV footage they look different, it's due to different white balance from different cameras producing different colour temperatures.

Really? He was wearing beige shorts on the evening of 14th and morning of 15th September according to CCTV images. Would you please post an image of the shorts you claim were left at the crime scene? And are you also claiming that these 'light blue' shorts were the ones he was wearing when he was murdered?

These shorts do have a slight blue tinge...yet David's do look beige in the CCTV images.

No one's going to tell me about the balloons...or the Chum place??

[Chetzee]

This fellow in black is seen at 2:00am...with missing thong/flip flop...[the other one allegedly at crimescene]...not even sure of that as in some photo's it looks like he is wearing both. If so the crime hadn't taken place yet. To me he does not look like Maung Maung nor does he look like the fellow in the bar. I don't think they are even sitting at a table greenchair...looks like everyone is just standing haphazardly around the bar.

What's with all these balloons in the bars? Is there really a place named Chumporn? Chums sharing porn? Around and around we go.....

Edit: Are these the blue shorts then? The ones exchanged for David's better quality shorts as stated in one of the many reports to the media. Well then...who did the other beige one's belong to? Total mind Fuuuk!!!

David Miller's shorts (light blue) were left at the crime scene. In some photos and CCTV footage they look different, it's due to different white balance from different cameras producing different colour temperatures.

Really? He was wearing beige shorts on the evening of 14th and morning of 15th September according to CCTV images. Would you please post an image of the shorts you claim were left at the crime scene? And are you also claiming that these 'light blue' shorts were the ones he was wearing when he was murdered?

These shorts do have a slight blue tinge...yet David's do look beige in the CCTV images.

shorts.jpg

No one's going to tell me about the balloons...or the Chum place??

the ballons are a new craze for kids , a cheap Hit of nitrous Oxide , laughing gas

[Chetzee]

Davids shorts . Blue Beige any colour you like !

[AleG]

"I would say confusion reigns and nobody can be certain at this stage"

Yes, in large part thanks to people deliberately cherry picking unconfirmed reports while ignoring subsequent information that disproves them.

Great so please enlighten me with the credible reports (links) with subsequent information that discounts the report I provided and proves your claim, if credible I will be more than happy to look at them, after all the RTP investigation has many twists and turns

The photos of the light blue shorts Miller was wearing are on this very thread. But what is one to believe? An unconfirmed written report or actual photographs of the objects found at the crime scene?

[Eirene]

Thanks Chetzee. So that is why they call it the Land of Smiles.

[AleG]

"And let us not forget our main RTP supporter has stated that the DNA of B and C was found on the body, and the DNA of A and B found on the cigarette.

He was unable to work out that this meant that only B's DNA was on both body and cigarette. Meaning only one killer."

You really have no idea how utterly flawed your "logic" is, do you?

B and C in the body, A and B in a cigarette butt nearby, what that means is that B and C raped the victim, A and B shared a cigarette at some unknown point in time, period. There is absolutely no basis from those facts alone to state that not only there was only one killer (in spite of two rapist), but also that the killer was B.

Quite frankly, I feel a vicarious embarrassed to have to explain this.

A and B shared a cigarette at some unknown point in time. So it could have been an hour before the murder or a month before the murder. The DNA on the ciggy is of no interest whatsoever then ?

Now you are also saying there is no reason to suspect B was involved in the killings. So you have now discounted A B and C from the murders.

Glad you have seen the light and will now join the fight to find the real killers.

I can see you are trying to be smart, it ain't working.

On top of that you outright lie about what I wrote, are you unaware people can read what you wrote, what I actually wrote and see that you have no qualms whatsoever about lying?

Because there is no way you could take what I wrote and interpret it as "Now you are also saying there is no reason to suspect B was involved in the killings".

Why you insist on embarrassing yourself like this, I have no clue.

[thailandchilli]

"I would say confusion reigns and nobody can be certain at this stage"

Yes, in large part thanks to people deliberately cherry picking unconfirmed reports while ignoring subsequent information that disproves them.

Great so please enlighten me with the credible reports (links) with subsequent information that discounts the report I provided and proves your claim, if credible I will be more than happy to look at them, after all the RTP investigation has many twists and turns

The photos of the light blue shorts Miller was wearing are on this very thread. But what is one to believe? An unconfirmed written report or actual photographs of the objects found at the crime scene?

Ah ok so thats that then, we have Davids shorts light blue found at the crime scene we will now discount all previous reports. Despite looking beige to me. I will keep an open mind but thanks

Edited January 20, 2015 by thailandchilli

[Chetzee]

"I would say confusion reigns and nobody can be certain at this stage"

Yes, in large part thanks to people deliberately cherry picking unconfirmed reports while ignoring subsequent information that disproves them.

Great so please enlighten me with the credible reports (links) with subsequent information that discounts the report I provided and proves your claim, if credible I will be more than happy to look at them, after all the RTP investigation has many twists and turns

The photos of the light blue shorts Miller was wearing are on this very thread. But what is one to believe? An unconfirmed written report or actual photographs of the objects found at the crime scene?

Ah ok so thats that then, we have Davids shorts light blue found at the crime scene we will now discount all previous reports. I will keep an open mind but thanks

So David's shorts look blue do they ? And the colour of the sand how does that look ? david was not wearing light blue shorts !

[draftvader]

Some posts with formatting errors cleaned up.

[thailandchilli]

@Chetzee

I made an edit to my post due to me obviously being colour blind ​

[berybert]

"And let us not forget our main RTP supporter has stated that the DNA of B and C was found on the body, and the DNA of A and B found on the cigarette.

He was unable to work out that this meant that only B's DNA was on both body and cigarette. Meaning only one killer."

You really have no idea how utterly flawed your "logic" is, do you?

B and C in the body, A and B in a cigarette butt nearby, what that means is that B and C raped the victim, A and B shared a cigarette at some unknown point in time, period. There is absolutely no basis from those facts alone to state that not only there was only one killer (in spite of two rapist), but also that the killer was B.

Quite frankly, I feel a vicarious embarrassed to have to explain this.

A and B shared a cigarette at some unknown point in time. So it could have been an hour before the murder or a month before the murder. The DNA on the ciggy is of no interest whatsoever then ?

Now you are also saying there is no reason to suspect B was involved in the killings. So you have now discounted A B and C from the murders.

Glad you have seen the light and will now join the fight to find the real killers.

I can see you are trying to be smart, it ain't working.

On top of that you outright lie about what I wrote, are you unaware people can read what you wrote, what I actually wrote and see that you have no qualms whatsoever about lying?

Because there is no way you could take what I wrote and interpret it as "Now you are also saying there is no reason to suspect B was involved in the killings".

Why you insist on embarrassing yourself like this, I have no clue.

I only clear up your writing. You seem unable to say anything without it having at least 3 or 4 different meanings. A bit like you saying you would reply to me no more.

[catsanddogs]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Ale...I have been thinking all along that his shorts were beige. There was an early report that they had been taken and blue one's left behind. More misinformation or lost in translation.

David Miller's shorts (light blue) were left at the crime scene. In some photos and CCTV footage they look different, it's due to different white balance from different cameras producing different colour temperatures.

The shorts are on the table attached to the belt . you might need to adjust contrast , heat , saturation to see them for your self .

Look too small for David compared to size of tee shirt.. Could they be women's shorts?

[catsanddogs]

This fellow in black is seen at 2:00am...with missing thong/flip flop...[the other one allegedly at crimescene]...not even sure of that as in some photo's it looks like he is wearing both. If so the crime hadn't taken place yet. To me he does not look like Maung Maung nor does he look like the fellow in the bar. I don't think they are even sitting at a table greenchair...looks like everyone is just standing haphazardly around the bar.

What's with all these balloons in the bars? Is there really a place named Chumporn? Chums sharing porn? Around and around we go.....

Edit: Are these the blue shorts then? The ones exchanged for David's better quality shorts as stated in one of the many reports to the media. Well then...who did the other beige one's belong to? Total mind Fuuuk!!!

David Miller's shorts (light blue) were left at the crime scene. In some photos and CCTV footage they look different, it's due to different white balance from different cameras producing different colour temperatures.

Really? He was wearing beige shorts on the evening of 14th and morning of 15th September according to CCTV images. Would you please post an image of the shorts you claim were left at the crime scene? And are you also claiming that these 'light blue' shorts were the ones he was wearing when he was murdered?

These shorts do have a slight blue tinge...yet David's do look beige in the CCTV images.

shorts.jpg

No one's going to tell me about the balloons...or the Chum place??

They are nothing like the other small pair of shorts posted unless someone has cut the legs off and dyed them.

[Chetzee]

maybe this still is clearer . Shorts and t shirt look a good match to me

[catsanddogs]

"I would say confusion reigns and nobody can be certain at this stage"

Yes, in large part thanks to people deliberately cherry picking unconfirmed reports while ignoring subsequent information that disproves them.

Great so please enlighten me with the credible reports (links) with subsequent information that discounts the report I provided and proves your claim, if credible I will be more than happy to look at them, after all the RTP investigation has many twists and turns

The photos of the light blue shorts Miller was wearing are on this very thread. But what is one to believe? An unconfirmed written report or actual photographs of the objects found at the crime scene?

David Miller was NOT wearing light blue or any shade of blue shorts the morning of 15th September unless he went back to his room and changed. If that was the case why would there be images of his beige shorts on the beach? Get with the programme, do.

[catsanddogs]

maybe this still is clearer . Shorts and t shirt look a good match to me

The smaller shorts are a high cut at the outside seams which are normally found on woman rather then men. Or ladyboys.

[greenchair]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Ale...I have been thinking all along that his shorts were beige. There was an early report that they had been taken and blue one's left behind. More misinformation or lost in translation.

David Miller's shorts (light blue) were left at the crime scene. In some photos and CCTV footage they look different, it's due to different white balance from different cameras producing different colour temperatures.

The shorts are on the table attached to the belt . you might need to adjust contrast , heat , saturation to see them for your self .

What I am saying is that there are 2 pair of shorts in the picture. 1 pair to the left, I thought to be beige, but am now told are blue. And 1 pair of short shorts. Black. Under the tshirt. It has a belt too.

David's blue/beige with belt.

black short shorts. With belt.

[berybert]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Ale...I have been thinking all along that his shorts were beige. There was an early report that they had been taken and blue one's left behind. More misinformation or lost in translation.

David Miller's shorts (light blue) were left at the crime scene. In some photos and CCTV footage they look different, it's due to different white balance from different cameras producing different colour temperatures.

The shorts are on the table attached to the belt . you might need to adjust contrast , heat , saturation to see them for your self .

What I am saying is that there are 2 pair of shorts in the picture. 1 pair to the left, I thought to be beige, but am now told are blue. And 1 pair of short shorts. Black. Under the tshirt. It has a belt too.

post-221615-0-92296800-1421130966_thumb.jpg

post-223227-0-59220500-1419996307-1.jpgDavid's blue/beige with belt.

post-221615-0-92296800-1421130966_thumb-1.jpgblack short shorts. With belt.

OK then if those shorts below the T-shirt are black, then what colour is the T-shirt ? Also are you sure there is a belt on those shorts ? for me they just look like a pair of boxer shorts.

Edited January 20, 2015 by berybert

[Eirene]

I agree berybert...they look like underwear with darker waistband.

[greenchair]

Then I am saying actually none of the people walking through the street are Wei,Zaw or moa moa. Here is the only footage of them.

So people should look at other picture. It is not possible for them to walking man or running boy I think

[AleG]

A and B shared a cigarette at some unknown point in time. So it could have been an hour before the murder or a month before the murder. The DNA on the ciggy is of no interest whatsoever then ?

Now you are also saying there is no reason to suspect B was involved in the killings. So you have now discounted A B and C from the murders.

Glad you have seen the light and will now join the fight to find the real killers.

I can see you are trying to be smart, it ain't working.

On top of that you outright lie about what I wrote, are you unaware people can read what you wrote, what I actually wrote and see that you have no qualms whatsoever about lying?

Because there is no way you could take what I wrote and interpret it as "Now you are also saying there is no reason to suspect B was involved in the killings".

Why you insist on embarrassing yourself like this, I have no clue.

I only clear up your writing. You seem unable to say anything without it having at least 3 or 4 different meanings. A bit like you saying you would reply to me no more.

The things some people do to get some attention...

[catsanddogs]

On this Youtube video 0.20 secs in you see the football players walking. Could the small shorts being on the beach we have been discussing be football shorts? Can anyone make out the logo on them? Was the guy wearing the number 9 top in the football team?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_N0bBnorW4

[greenchair]

I agree berybert...they look like underwear with darker waistband.

Well they be a waistband because if you look closer you can see the belt loops.

And if you live in Thailand you would know they are popular down at the bars, with the little skinny kids. Please someone get down to soi cowboy and get some pics of this type of short for comparison.