quadperfect Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 yesterday I was stopped at a check point in Phuket on my motorbike .i had my helmet and my California driving license. I was under the impression I was legally driving. the farang officer told me for car only. not bike. he then took my driving license and told me to cue up and pay the fine as there were about 30 others just like me from all countrys told they have in valid driving licenses. everyone was angry and confused as no one told them at the bike rental shop that a thai license or specially endorsed license was needed for bike rentals. This is bad enough to have a valid driving license from a first world country denied in a third world country. But then the officer while i was in the line to pay the fine gave my driving license to another motor biker and so now he lost my license and just said sorry kid. I am 51 he was about 70 is my guess. I wanted to punch the guy because he was a complete jerk about it all. he was telling people to stop complaining or he would charge them 1000 baht not the 500. I was standing there and he was saying sorry kid it happens. So now I am with out my driving license and on a 1 year trip. I cant drive in any country I visit w out first returning to America to obtain a new license. I am here just 3 weeks now and plan 4 months here then autralia and other countrys I will need my drving license to rent cars or bikes for travel. I went to police station filed a complaint and lost report. The officer there was very polite and apologetic.also farang and he called the officer on the phone about my license. the farang officer said he had no idea where it was. The officer originally told me that he gave it to the wrong guy and that he has something of his so he will get it back for me and to just wait.I waited 1 hour then he told me sorry kid. The story was he had given the wrong guy my license and he was holding his license. then the guy was to be at atm machine to get the money for the fine . what a complete lie why would he give the guy his license back to go to atm machine com on man . any one have any ideas what I can do now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakeman Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Can you order one online? Georgia has this option and it lets you print a temporary paper license and receipt from your computer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadperfect Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 California requires in person at dmv no online unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumcr Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 This has always been the case here in Thailand. If you don't have the bike license endorsement then your drivers license is not valid to ride bike here. Biggest problem is if you have accident then insurance is also not valid as you are on road illegally. I have a Washington State drivers license but no bike endorsement so not legal to ride bike in Thailand. However I also have a Thai bike license. The Thai bike license is not valid to ride bike in Washington State even tho I have both Thai drivers and bike license. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 U B screwed. No hope for good resolution. At least he said 'sorry.' kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kf6vci Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Sounds like some shakedown. 500 Baht, eh? Does anyone know what the actual fine should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 This has always been the case here in Thailand. If you don't have the bike license endorsement then your drivers license is not valid to ride bike here. Biggest problem is if you have accident then insurance is also not valid as you are on road illegally. I have a Washington State drivers license but no bike endorsement so not legal to ride bike in Thailand. However I also have a Thai bike license. The Thai bike license is not valid to ride bike in Washington State even tho I have both Thai drivers and bike license. You are right if there is no motorbike part on the license it still is not legal. Lot of expats here forget that even if you have a motorbike license from your home country and you are here longer as 3 months you will have to have a Thai one. They are too lazy to get it right and complain when they get caught (not the case here as the guy is a tourist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2015 Do the states in the USA not issue an international licence valid for 12 months for both cars and motorbikes? Did you not do any research on driving in Thailand before you came over? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If you have a valid car license you can ride a scooter using that car license if the engine capacity of the scooter is less than 115cc. So, if your riding a Fino or Scoopy or Wave 110 you are right. There is a lot of confusion about this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smokin Joe Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2015 If you have a valid car license you can ride a scooter using that car license if the engine capacity of the scooter is less than 115cc. So, if your riding a Fino or Scoopy or Wave 110 you are right. There is a lot of confusion about this issue. Your last sentence is correct, the first part is completely wrong. This is about driving in Thailand and you need a motorcycle license to drive one legally. The rules in your home country do not apply. Doesn't matter what the engine size is, Thailand regards them all the same as to needing a motorcycle license. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AnotherOneAmerican Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2015 Foreigners are not employed as police in Thailand. They have no right to take any documents from you, or issue any fines. Don't be fooled by fake police, if they aren't Thai, tell them to bog off. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewrooney Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Foreigners are not employed as police in Thailand. They have no right to take any documents from you, or issue any fines. Don't be fooled by fake police, if they aren't Thai, tell them to bog off. Agreed. If one of these volunteer guys tries to push you around, tell him to get a real cop or just get out of your face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrilled Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The thai cop probably did Ya A favor in losing your license.If I was in charge in Thailand I would say no foreigner Can operate A motorcycle in Thailand unless they live in Thailand. I see so many farang motorcycle accidents at no fault of the farang it's unbelievable.Like I said the cop probably Did Ya A favor.I know this isn't helping you.You'll have to take the Tuk Tuk,songthew,taxi,or walk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Foreigners are not employed as police in Thailand. They have no right to take any documents from you, or issue any fines. Don't be fooled by fake police, if they aren't Thai, tell them to bog off. you might be correct but everyday I see at least 6 working with 20 or more thais at the state police barrack in pattaya. I think the thais will back these guys up 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) The thai cop probably did Ya A favor in losing your license.If I was in charge in Thailand I would say no foreigner Can operate A motorcycle in Thailand unless they live in Thailand. I see so many farang motorcycle accidents at no fault of the farang it's unbelievable.Like I said the cop probably Did Ya A favor.I know this isn't helping you.You'll have to take the Tuk Tuk,songthew,taxi,or walk Why blame farang?! Please blame the motorbike rental shops that are renting any bike to anyone without asking a license, without any questions asked! They are the faulty part here. Not farang. And i dont even talk with a farang cop, never give them any shit, dont even look at their face. Just tell them go away and bring a Thai police. Edited January 6, 2015 by ll2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45slap Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Forget it. Just drive as you wish. You won't get pulled over often. When you do, poke around in your pockets and then get the lost license act going. You'll pay a little fine and off you go. Your license can be replaced when you return home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The thai cop probably did Ya A favor in losing your license.If I was in charge in Thailand I would say no foreigner Can operate A motorcycle in Thailand unless they live in Thailand. I see so many farang motorcycle accidents at no fault of the farang it's unbelievable.Like I said the cop probably Did Ya A favor.I know this isn't helping you.You'll have to take the Tuk Tuk,songthew,taxi,or walk What's a "Ya"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Do the states in the USA not issue an international licence valid for 12 months for both cars and motorbikes? Did you not do any research on driving in Thailand before you came over? 1. States do not issue IDLs. 2. Nor you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) The thai cop probably did Ya A favor in losing your license.If I was in charge in Thailand I would say no foreigner Can operate A motorcycle in Thailand unless they live in Thailand. I see so many farang motorcycle accidents at no fault of the farang it's unbelievable.Like I said the cop probably Did Ya A favor.I know this isn't helping you.You'll have to take the Tuk Tuk,songthew,taxi,or walk Why blame farang?! Please blame the motorbike rental shops that are renting any bike to anyone without asking a license, without any questions asked! They are the faulty part here. Not farang. And i dont even talk with a farang cop, never give them any shit, dont even look at their face. Just tell them go away and bring a Thai police. Pfft. Rental & sales shops have no legal obligation to assure the renter/buyer has a DL or is competent in any way. If the shop was willing, my dog could rent a bike if he came wagging up with the baht in his mouth. If I had a dog. Edited January 6, 2015 by papa al 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherOneAmerican Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Foreigners are not employed as police in Thailand. They have no right to take any documents from you, or issue any fines. Don't be fooled by fake police, if they aren't Thai, tell them to bog off. you might be correct but everyday I see at least 6 working with 20 or more thais at the state police barrack in pattaya. I think the thais will back these guys up 100% Then let the Thai do it! Most of the foreigner wannabes can't even communicate with the Thai police. Waste as much of everyone's time as you possibly can, the more time they spend with you, the less money they can collect from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Langsuan Man Posted January 7, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2015 If your California Drivers license is not endorsed to drive a motorcycle can you drive a motorcycle in California ? I think not. If the California Drivers license you showed the Thai policeman did not have a motorcycle endorsement then why the surprise that it was not honored in Thailand 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pokerkid Posted January 7, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2015 to quote the OP :"This is bad enough to have a valid driving license from a first world country denied in a third world country." better to stop the smug superiority attitude you got going on there or you will get many more problems on your trip 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubberSideDown Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 ^ Considering his valid US license was given away to someone else and now he has a very real problem with no solution, and the 'police' basically said to F-off, maybe he does have a valid point. There's a difference between 'smug superiority' and being righteously annoyed at incompetence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitchag Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 If the policeman handed your licence to the wrong guy then he must still have that guys licence and details, surely they can get in touch with him to swap licences, he would have probably put your licence back in his wallet without checking it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Do the states in the USA not issue an international licence valid for 12 months for both cars and motorbikes? Did you not do any research on driving in Thailand before you came over? 1. States do not issue IDLs. 2. Nor you. Actually yes I did a lot of research before and during my time in Thailand. The research below I have just done online in less than 5 minutes. Easy on Google. Try it yourself one day. The reason I asked if states in the USA issue an international licence is because I am from the UK where we CAN get an international driving licence. Even Thailand issues them. Texas has something similar here. http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&ti=37&ch=15&rl=91 There is a bit on IDP here http://japan.usembassy.gov/e/acs/tacs-drive.html Follow these links to learn more about getting an IDP: Learn about getting your IDP from American Automobile Association in the U.S. Learn about getting your IDP from The National Auto Club in the U.S. The Department of State has a special section on its web site concerning Road safety overseas including IDPs. You can locate the AAA office nearest you in the U.S. online. You can also contact both organizations off-line if you wish: AAA (American Automobile Association) 1000 AAA Drive Heathrow, FL 32745-5063 American Automobile Touring Alliance (AATA) 1151 E. Hillsdale Blvd Foster City, CA94404 Tel: 800-622-7070 FAX:650-294-7040 International Driving Permit (IDP) Scams You can obtain a valid IDP only from an automobile association authorized by the U.S. Department of State to issue IDPs. Article 24 of the United Nations Convention on Road Traffic (1949) authorizes the U.S. Department of State to empower certain organizations to issue IDPs to those who hold valid U.S. drivers licenses. The Department has designated the American Automobile Association (AAA) and the American Automobile Touring Alliance as theonly authorized distributors of IDPs. Edited January 7, 2015 by billd766 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumcr Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Like the OP said. States do not issue IDL only the federal government (State Dept) which authorizes AAA and NAC. These organizations have offices in the different States but are not regulated by the individual state. Washington State for example recognizes IDL for car from Thailand but does not accept IDL for motorbike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadperfect Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 unfortunately my drivers license is still out there or on the side of the road more likely. the coper still telling me he is looking for it. what a mess. california law requires me to be in person to apply for re issue of my driving license. california allows a maximum 250 cc bike to be driven under the standard driving license for cars so i was thinking i was ok here . Cops dont care if i make a wave they will just throw me in jail or deport me or whatever they want so i am just another tourist getting shafted by the system. Or so thats the way it feels In my country it would a lot different situation.i would have rights. its costing me 2000 dollars to go back to california thanks phuket farang police man who would not give me my license as i demanded 3 times before he so easily gave it away to another person who i think is just as bad and just as much to blame. He did a runner something needs to be done about the lack of policing on bike rental companys. Simple force all motor bike rental companys to verify license is allowed to drive bike This will shut down a huge tourist economic flow and the laws will change and will stop all the tourist traps set up just for us guys who are tourists in phuket from unwilingly supporting the police funds of phuket w fines clearly targeting farang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumcr Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 unfortunately my drivers license is still out there or on the side of the road more likely. the coper still telling me he is looking for it. what a mess. california law requires me to be in person to apply for re issue of my driving license. california allows a maximum 250 cc bike to be driven under the standard driving license for cars so i was thinking i was ok here . Cops dont care if i make a wave they will just throw me in jail or deport me or whatever they want so i am just another tourist getting shafted by the system. Or so thats the way it feels In my country it would a lot different situation.i would have rights. its costing me 2000 dollars to go back to california thanks phuket farang police man who would not give me my license as i demanded 3 times before he so easily gave it away to another person who i think is just as bad and just as much to blame. He did a runner something needs to be done about the lack of policing on bike rental companys. Simple force all motor bike rental companys to verify license is allowed to drive bike This will shut down a huge tourist economic flow and the laws will change and will stop all the tourist traps set up just for us guys who are tourists in phuket from unwilingly supporting the police funds of phuket w fines clearly targeting farang I understand where you are coming from. In the States first thing the rental agency's want to see is your driving license. No license or proper endorsement, no rental. Same in most countries. Should be the same here. But this is Thailand, different mindset. Sorry you had to learn the hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seedy Posted January 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2015 something needs to be done about the lack of policing on bike rental companys. Simple force all motor bike rental companys to verify license is allowed to drive bike Something needs to be done about people who come to a foreign country without doing their due diligence. "I thought ..." You did not take the time to find out. The fault belongs with you. Do not blame rental companies, the police, or anybody else. Look in the mirror - there is where you will see the real cause of your misfortune. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadperfect Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Seedy you are a probobly the guy who ran off with my driving license arent you. lets say you are the one for sake of youre complete lack of understanding the situation that i am currently in. I am about as pissed off at youre ignorance as w the copers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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