Popular Post Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2015 Every publication in the world should publish the cartoon that lead to that horrible attack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTee Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Every publication in the world should publish the cartoon that lead to that horrible attack why to further incite hatred? I see what you did there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Anyone else find it odd that the attackers made one mistake : Leaving an ID card behind? who goes on a terrorist mission with an ID card? One with the ID card of someone else, of course. The "forgotten ID" is the running gag among security forces, it just means a secret service had an eye on them already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Every publication in the world should publish the cartoon that lead to that horrible attack why to further incite hatred? I see what you did there where is the "dislike" button? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 No one is forcing anyone to read anything. But someone demanding that they be respected by the barrel of a gun. That is the very essence of a bully and bullies should be stood up and one should not cower. That is the very essence of the human spirit. Engage them all u like, but I have no obligation to respect their views. As a human they are accorded the right to think what they like as am I. They have no right to force me to do or think anything. I very much understand where you are coming from. I merely offer it as a strategy. One of many potential strategies. With more engagement, you probably get better at distinguishing between dialectic and personal opinion. You can test the limits of your antagonist's true thinking. Your responses to different types of intolerance can vary. I am not a trained negotiator. I have witnessed negotiators in action. Calmness and objectivity seem to be key. That is why I continue to object to the barrage of noise on these types of threads. It interferes with deliberate thought. I don't like to repeat this story often, but since you mentioned your experience in Egypt post 9/11, I will tell you of my experience in a Muslim village during 9/11. Widely considered one of the most moderate of all Muslim places in Thailand, a quiet former fishing village in Phuket, and my home was above the village on the sea. Like others, I watched in shock and horror the live events that from my home on CNN/BBC, when my wife returned from the village and said that the locals were at the Mosque loudly celebrating and hooting and hollering with glee. We were both disgusted by that, and I never forgot that there are elements in every one of their communities that somehow manage to maybe bully the others into acquiescence during these tragic events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Every publication in the world should publish the cartoon that lead to that horrible attack why to further incite hatred? I see what you did there Wow You are as clueless as a terrorist. This cartoon portrait Mohamet being appalled at the interpretation of Islam made by idiots. Yes it is a blaspheme and people are welcome to contradict with WORDS NOT GUNS Because we want to live in a society with freedom of speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jimbo2014 Posted January 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Someone draws a cartoon of a pedophile lived 1300 years ago. Killed today. Very tragic Edited January 8, 2015 by Jimbo2014 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dragonfly94 Posted January 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) These murderers are not Islamic 'extremists' as most of the media claim. There is no such thing as moderate Islam for these jihadists to be extreme in comparison. There are moderate Muslims but there just is no moderate Islam. These jihadist were just being true followers of the prophet and the Koran. The millions of moderate Muslims hiding at home, quietly feeling rather pleased about the prophet being avenged, but not quite having the guts to don the combat jackets themselves, are totally irrelevant to what is going on in the world. In the next few days we will be seing the usual crocodile tears spewed out from Islamic organizations with their taquiya calls for peace and bleatings about 'this is not Islamic', but nothing could be more Islamic than what happened in Paris. Moderates and their unelected mouthpieces need to voice their opposition to the verses in the Koran which permit and encourage these jihadist attacks, anything less is meaningless and worthless. Islam is a supremacist, violent and uncompromising religious ideology which cannot live in peace in any western country, and few of their own. No amount of excuses, constant giving in to them or mealy mouthed word twisting can make the Koran and Islam any more compatible with western values. Islam is directly opposed to liberty, equality, fraternity as these jhadists have shown us once again. The west waited 300 years to start opposing Islamic violence in the past, the time has come again to fight back against it, but their Trojan immigration horse is going to make it very difficult this time round. Edited January 8, 2015 by dragonfly94 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Every publication in the world should publish the cartoon that lead to that horrible attack why to further incite hatred? I see what you did there where is the "dislike" button? This is what CHARB CABU WOLINSKI and TIGNOUS fully aware of the risk, died for. They wanted to say this and they accepted to die "standing for their believe, not on their knees" and this is what "JE SUIS CHARLIE" means Edited January 8, 2015 by Kitsune 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTee Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Every publication in the world should publish the cartoon that lead to that horrible attack why to further incite hatred? I see what you did there Wow You are as clueless as a terrorist. This cartoon portrait Mohamet being appalled at the interpretation of Islam made by idiots. Yes it is a blaspheme and people are welcome to contradict with WORDS NOT GUNS Because we want to live in a society with freedom of speech I'm clueless? but its you that doesn't understand why Muslims are offend by cartoons depicting their Prophet. well played fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post manarak Posted January 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm clueless? but its you that doesn't understand why Muslims are offend by cartoons depicting their Prophet. well played fella. You just confirmed that you are the clueless one here. Because we all understand why Muslims are offended. But in Western democracies, being offended does not justify violence. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Every publication in the world should publish the cartoon that lead to that horrible attack why to further incite hatred? I see what you did there Wow You are as clueless as a terrorist. This cartoon portrait Mohamet being appalled at the interpretation of Islam made by idiots. Yes it is a blaspheme and people are welcome to contradict with WORDS NOT GUNS Because we want to live in a society with freedom of speech I'm clueless? but its you that doesn't understand why Muslims are offend by cartoons depicting their Prophet. well played fella. You still don't get it? Charb had been the target of terrorist attack previously. He knew he was at risk But he believed in freedom of speech and carried on the provocation. That's why he was killed It was a conscious CHOICE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 In this interview he said : "I prefer die standing than live on my knees" « C'est peut-être un peu pompeux ce que je vais dire, mais je préfère mourir debout que vivre à genoux. »En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/actualite-medias/article/2015/01/07/charb-je-prefere-mourir-debout-que-vivre-a-genoux_4550759_3236.html#c7dqkjE2wXfMphKi.99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTee Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm clueless? but its you that doesn't understand why Muslims are offend by cartoons depicting their Prophet. well played fella. You just confirmed that you are the clueless one here. Because we all understand why Muslims are offended. But in Western democracies, being offended does not justify violence. Opps I missed the bit where I wrote being offended justifies violence. can you show me where I said that.. I just fail to see the point in playing a stupid game of "lets wind up the muslims" It won't work - it wont solve anything - other that create more hatred - then the evil people have won.. Try to learn instead burn.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTee Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You still don't get it? Charb had been the target of terrorist attack previously. He knew he was at risk But he believed in freedom of speech and carried on the provocation. That's why he was killed It was a conscious CHOICE What do you mean I don't get it? I know exactly what Charb said. It was his choice. I support him. I am as outraged by the meaningless murder as anyone else should be As I said I don't see the point in getting involved in your stupid game of "lets wind up the muslims" its full of fail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post H1w4yR1da Posted January 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm clueless? but its you that doesn't understand why Muslims are offend by cartoons depicting their Prophet. well played fella. So they're offended. We understand perfectly. To be honest, our hard won freedoms trump their feelings of being offended. If it wasn't cartoons, it'd be something else. Gays, lack of Halal food, immodest dress etc. It'd never end. This is the west, not some goat shagging shit hole in Pakistan. I'm offended by Islam but I don't grab an AK and visit a local mosque, do I? The west isn't going to surrender their freedoms to the barrel of a gun not matter how many 'refugees' in the west celebrate the attack. http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/01/07/hundreds-of-muslims-in-sweden-celebrate-terrorist-attack-on-charlie-hebdo-in-france-shouting-islam-will-take-over-the-world/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Britain steps up border controls at airports and ports, in response to these attacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTee Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm clueless? but its you that doesn't understand why Muslims are offend by cartoons depicting their Prophet. well played fella. So they're offended. We understand perfectly. To be honest, our hard won freedoms trump their feelings of being offended. If it wasn't cartoons, it'd be something else. Gays, lack of Halal food, immodest dress etc. It'd never end.This is the west, not some goat shagging shit hole in Pakistan. I'm offended by Islam but I don't grab an AK and visit a local mosque, do I? The west isn't going to surrender their freedoms to the barrel of a gun not matter how many 'refugees' in the west celebrate the attack. http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/01/07/hundreds-of-muslims-in-sweden-celebrate-terrorist-attack-on-charlie-hebdo-in-france-shouting-islam-will-take-over-the-world/ I'm glad you are not taking to arms. I won't be either .. I just do not see the point of playing a stupid game of "lets wind up the muslims." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly94 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 When Muslims say they are offended by the depiction of the Prophet as it is harem and not allowed, that's another one of their lies. The depiction of the old devil was widespread at one time: http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/islamic_mo_full/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Opps I missed the bit where I wrote being offended justifies violence. can you show me where I said that.. I just fail to see the point in playing a stupid game of "lets wind up the muslims" It won't work - it wont solve anything - other that create more hatred - then the evil people have won.. Try to learn instead burn.. It's not about winding up the muslims, they wind up all religions anyway... it's about keeping our freedom of speech and not letting any religion telling us what to say or not to say. These people died so we could have a society with more freedom. That's why we should thank them and especially the press by publishing what has been destroyed, to show the terrorists they have not won, like Charlie did 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You still don't get it? Charb had been the target of terrorist attack previously. He knew he was at risk But he believed in freedom of speech and carried on the provocation. That's why he was killed It was a conscious CHOICE What do you mean I don't get it? I know exactly what Charb said. It was his choice. I support him. I am as outraged by the meaningless murder as anyone else should be As I said I don't see the point in getting involved in your stupid game of "lets wind up the muslims" its full of fail! We should not have to tip toe around their thin skin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) When Muslims say they are offended by the depiction of the Prophet as it is harem and not allowed, that's another one of their lies. The depiction of the old devil was widespread at one time: http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/islamic_mo_full/ Exactly As Chard said when asked what he would say if he could speak to a terrorist, he answered :" I would give him the Coran to read because most of them are clueless and have not even read it" Edited January 8, 2015 by Kitsune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTee Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) I'm clueless? but its you that doesn't understand why Muslims are offend by cartoons depicting their Prophet. well played fella. So they're offended. We understand perfectly. To be honest, our hard won freedoms trump their feelings of being offended. If it wasn't cartoons, it'd be something else. Gays, lack of Halal food, immodest dress etc. It'd never end.This is the west, not some goat shagging shit hole in Pakistan. I'm offended by Islam but I don't grab an AK and visit a local mosque, do I? The west isn't going to surrender their freedoms to the barrel of a gun not matter how many 'refugees' in the west celebrate the attack. http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/01/07/hundreds-of-muslims-in-sweden-celebrate-terrorist-attack-on-charlie-hebdo-in-france-shouting-islam-will-take-over-the-world/ I'm glad you are not taking to arms. I won't be either ..I just do not see the point of playing a stupid game of "lets wind up the muslims." And, frankly just because well known islamophobe BONNI INTALL publishes stuff on its website doesn't make it true.. Edited January 8, 2015 by MrTee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly94 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Britain steps up border controls at airports and ports, in response to these attacks. Only about 25 years too late, they would do better paroling Luton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTee Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You still don't get it? Charb had been the target of terrorist attack previously. He knew he was at risk But he believed in freedom of speech and carried on the provocation. That's why he was killed It was a conscious CHOICE What do you mean I don't get it? I know exactly what Charb said. It was his choice. I support him. I am as outraged by the meaningless murder as anyone else should be As I said I don't see the point in getting involved in your stupid game of "lets wind up the muslims" its full of fail! We should not have to tip toe around their thin skin. I totally agree Mosha, but revenge isn't going to happen on the cover-page of some rag! Don't you see that this just drags us in their bullsheet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 We should not have to tip toe around their thin skin. Exactly we, in Europe have fought very hard to be in a country that allows us to say what we like, and we should CHERISH this dearly. This is what they died for, and this is what we should fight for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You still don't get it? Charb had been the target of terrorist attack previously. He knew he was at risk But he believed in freedom of speech and carried on the provocation. That's why he was killed It was a conscious CHOICE What do you mean I don't get it? I know exactly what Charb said. It was his choice. I support him. I am as outraged by the meaningless murder as anyone else should be As I said I don't see the point in getting involved in your stupid game of "lets wind up the muslims" its full of fail! We should not have to tip toe around their thin skin. I totally agree Mosha, but revenge isn't going to happen on the cover-page of some rag! Don't you see that this just drags us in their bullsheet? Revenge is for weak We want peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Radical Islam has already won, everyone is running scared, from newspapers to governments. At some point unless we actually stand up for what we believe in, Europe WILL become an islamic state in 30 years time, and that will just be the beginning. This reminds me of a discussion I had with a very moderate Muslim in Penang 25yrs ago. He said quite bluntly " you Europeans are far to soft on Islam, in approximately 30 yrs time you will allow Muslims fanatics to take over your countries" OK his time frame is a bit out, but he was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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