Millenial Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Hi, Question for people in the know. We recently had 2,5 Rai transferred to us (Yesterday in a day, was pretty quick and pain free), anyway there is currently a 20 x 16 meter house and 4 car garage on the land, we are ultimately building a modern house on the land (going through the motions now) at the rear of the lot, yet we have the problem whereby we have this house in front of us and like other properties we own, we like a landscaped garden. So we know the house has to go, ultimately it would cost at least 1.5 m to do it up and we would or rather see no benefit in this and selling it on so it leaves us with the only option in Knocking it down. Now my question is can we re-use the bricks from the structure (even broken in to odd shapes) in the exterior parameter wall which will save us a small fortune. We understand it will not look even however ultimately the wall is then covered so it does not matter about the shaping, but what does is the structural side, we dont want to do this and fnd it collapse. So the question is can bricks be reused for a parameter wall, has anyone done this, and are there any examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 It's certainly a big thing in the UK, we like the look of old bricks (OK. some of us do). Interesting article here http://homeguides.sfgate.com/reuse-brick-wall-35282.html Whether re-using a Thai wall, with its small bricks and thick mortar, is practical or cost-effective is another thing. Is the house definitely brick or has block been used for some walls (no chance of recovering the blocks)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenial Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Hi apologies bricks blocks all the same to me - blocks yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 If it is build with those gray blocks I would be surprised if you'd be able to recover a single one unbroken. My thoughts would be that it must be possible to find people who demolish it for free in return for the materials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenial Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Hi , not too concerned about unbroken as it can be rendered later. Concern is about structural. After all most castles etc are built using odd shaped material - so I fathom this would or rather should be possible and likely save is 200+k But looking to see if anyone else has done this previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Yes you can the motor in between the bricks can be ground away pretty easy but it is time consuming . Doing it this way will help keep the brick in tact. My uncle used to do this with a hand chisel when I was a kid. Lol Much easier now with air and power tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachproperty Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Hi , not too concerned about unbroken as it can be rendered later. Concern is about structural. After all most castles etc are built using odd shaped material - so I fathom this would or rather should be possible and likely save is 200+k But looking to see if anyone else has done this previously. Not so sure about saving 200+k....red brick cost about 1 baht each and q-con about 20 baht each. Any savings you get by trying to save the old brick may be eaten up by the labor to salvage and reuse. AND most red brick used here in Thailand is nothing like the redbrick used in the west....much cheaper quality. Edited January 21, 2015 by beachproperty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenial Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Apologies, i am talking of Blocks (Grey blocks) not red bricks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachproperty Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Apologies, i am talking of Blocks (Grey blocks) not red bricks Personally, as someone else pointed out, grey blocks not worth saving. Structually most homes are supported by post and beam construction....walls are generally non-bearing so if you want to put broken brick as walls and render over it ...you can.. but as said ...really not saving much....especially not 200+k baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Broken blocks will take a LOT longer to recuperate and to lay correctly. Use 'em to pave a drive or something. Goodness, never heard of such a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billphillips Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 As far as I know, at the moment a new concrete block would cost ฿5.5 per unit. Using string lines means that they can be laid quickly and cheaply. Reclaimed blocks would require all the old mortar cleaned off (or at least some of it). The blocks over here are hollow and anything other than a small tap with a hammer or bolster chisel will render the block to a pile of dust. Laying broken blocks would be a painstakingly long and laborious process. Labour costs would skyrocket! A garden wall is not a structural item so no problems on the strength of the finished work. The time taken to even dismantle and stack the materials will far surpass, in cost and time, any saving that can be made by re-using them. Far better to clear the old house completely and start with new materials. Subsidise the cost of clearing by selling the old materials to a local who can re-use or sell them on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salavan Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 i think there are 2 qualitys of block one used for garden walls, and a better quality used to construct the house check it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 i think there are 2 qualitys of block one used for garden walls, and a better quality used to construct the house check it outNope.sent from phone using bih thumbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I was looking at the bricks like red brick. very nice to save but the gray block would not be worth the hassle. Would make really good base for the drive way and parking pad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddinChonburi Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 If they did the wall correctly there would be rebar and core fill in block but I do not think they did that. hopefully I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 If they did the wall correctly there would be rebar and core fill in block but I do not think they did that. hopefully I am wrong. Why would anyone put rebar in a wall that has no load bearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 If they did the wall correctly there would be rebar and core fill in block but I do not think they did that. hopefully I am wrong. Why would anyone put rebar in a wall that has no load bearing? They might do that to prevent lateral forces (drunken drivers, people with pickaxes, etc) from easily demolishing the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 If they did the wall correctly there would be rebar and core fill in block but I do not think they did that. hopefully I am wrong. Why would anyone put rebar in a wall that has no load bearing? They might do that to prevent lateral forces (drunken drivers, people with pickaxes, etc) from easily demolishing the wall. I think Todd was talking about the house walls, not the perimeter wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billphillips Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Yea, the house walls would have rebar in concrete about half way up. The blocks for walls are so thin here, 70mm or thereabouts, they need some stability to stop them falling over if someone leans on them. Also around windows and doors. House walls either block or brick are not structural in Thailand, merely infill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachproperty Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I know this thread is about re-using rubble from demolishing the existing house .....BUT since you have 2 and 1/2 Rai (plenty of room for 2 homes) why not paint it, do the minimum fix up to it (maybe repair roof, replace some tiles, etc) ...could probably do for a few hundred thousand baht at MAX ....and low and behold you have a place to stay while you build your new home and later you have a guest house or rental.. Just a thought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenial Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) it is right in the way of the lake Edited January 23, 2015 by Millenial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 it is right in the way of the lake Move the lake Seriously, if it's a fixer-upper and not too disruptive to your plans there's a potential income / visitor lodge / granny flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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