Autopsy detects no sign of an attack on British Koh Tao backpacker

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Autopsy detects no sign of attack on British backpacker

BANGKOK: -- The Police Forensic Medicine Institute announced Sunday that the autopsy on a British backpacker found dead on Koh Tao last week did not find any sign of attack.

The institute said there was no trace of semen either. The British embassy would be informed so that relatives of Christina Annesley, 23, could take the body back to Britain. The results of test of harmful chemical in the blood would be known Monday.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Autopsy-detects-no-sign-of-attack-on-British-backp-30252633.html


-- The Nation 2015-01-25

[catsanddogs]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

[draftvader]

Off-topic posts removed and 1 post quoting them to point out they were off-topic.

[JLCrab]

From Post #2 above: "The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. "

From the UK MURDER ... OF BRITISH NATIONALS ABROAD

Memorandum of Understanding between the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and Coroners' Society of England and Wales (SEP 2011)

3.3 Under Article 37 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (VCCR) all countries have an obligation to inform the consular post within which district a suspicious death occurs 'without delay'. However, foreign Governments are under no obligation to provide the FCO with any further information, detail or support in relation to the death of a British national abroad. In some countries the investigating authorities and Courts may refuse to answer enquiries from third parties, including British consular staff.

[alantheembalmer]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

I think you'll find that the post mortem examination would be performed under Thai jurisdiction, and the parents would not be given the opportunity to veto it being carried out.

Edited January 25, 2015 by alantheembalmer

[Dogmatix]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

The Thai authorities would not have released the body for repatriation without doing their own autopsy first but chose to take their time and left the body unrefrigerated in a temple on KT for a few days before sending it to the mainland for autopsy. That's probably their (sub)standard operating procedure on KT.

I think the thing about the lock is the other way round. The staff were able to enter the room easily when she didn't come to check out in time, so they could clean up the room for the next lucky backpacker. This indicated that there was NO lock on the inside and it was easy to open from the outside.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Dogmatix

[catsanddogs]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

The Thai authorities would not have released the body for repatriation without doing their own autopsy first but chose to take their time and left the body unrefrigerated in a temple on KT for a few days before sending it to the mainland for autopsy. That's probably their (sub)standard operating procedure on KT.

I think the thing about the lock is the other way round. The staff were able to enter the room easily when she didn't come to check out in time, so they could clean up the room for the next lucky backpacker. This indicated that there was NO lock on the inside and it was easy to open from the outside.

Thanks for that Dog and apologies for misinformation. I see what you mean having watched the short vid on FB. Even more worrying.

[Loles]

Again . Congratulation Koh Tao the island of death.

[thailandchilli]

Probably should have waited until the results of the drugs tests on Monday were announced first as this is not even a complete report yet, I trust there will also be an inquest in the UK.

[Thai at Heart]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

The Thai authorities would not have released the body for repatriation without doing their own autopsy first but chose to take their time and left the body unrefrigerated in a temple on KT for a few days before sending it to the mainland for autopsy. That's probably their (sub)standard operating procedure on KT.

I think the thing about the lock is the other way round. The staff were able to enter the room easily when she didn't come to check out in time, so they could clean up the room for the next lucky backpacker. This indicated that there was NO lock on the inside and it was easy to open from the outside.

Most temples have refrigeration in casques if required.

Just because a body is in a temple, it is just festering in the heat. Funerals would get a little messy otherwise.

[thesetat2013]

Just a point but they say no semen was found however they do not say if she had sex recently which would insinuate a condom being used. As for not being assaulted I believe that with the drugs she was using she would not need too be assaulted. But then we will never know the real truth of her last night alive. Just another young tourist dead out of so many there.

[inzman]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

[JLCrab]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

Maybe just must be demographics of the visitor population.

[bangrak]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

But then, how was the In Touch staff able to gain access to the room the next morning (as she was supposed to check out), considering we were told there were no signs of, or damage from, the room having been broken into? Some things are not adding up well there.

P.S.: I read further that it could be the other way around about the door lock: a key from outside, and a button inside. But then considering the 'quality' of the locks here, it would have been easy for anyone with two paperclips, ...or with a key, to access the room and lock it up when leaving... I don't say it happened, but that it could have happened.

Edited January 25, 2015 by bangrak

[baboon]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

The Thai authorities would not have released the body for repatriation without doing their own autopsy first but chose to take their time and left the body unrefrigerated in a temple on KT for a few days before sending it to the mainland for autopsy. That's probably their (sub)standard operating procedure on KT.

I think the thing about the lock is the other way round. The staff were able to enter the room easily when she didn't come to check out in time, so they could clean up the room for the next lucky backpacker. This indicated that there was NO lock on the inside and it was easy to open from the outside.

Most temples have refrigeration in casques if required.

Just because a body is in a temple, it is just festering in the heat. Funerals would get a little messy otherwise.

I was under the (quite possibly mistaken) belief that coffins are packed with dry ice to preserve the body?

Innocent death or not in this case, I still shall not be rolling the Ko Tao dice, thank you very much. Life is finite enough as it is.

[draftvader]

Comment on comment on moderation removed.

[bangrak]

A post mortem the forensic services give the results of bit by bit isn't a serious job IMO, as there are too many possible 'interactions' which could chang the angle of examination from standard procedure to very specific different approaches, and in this case several organs should have been examined in relation with her chest infection, and the medicines she was known to take, and the possible presence of other chemicals or drugs, and all that could for sure not have delivered results by tomorrow Monday... So? I hope this is not another 'quick dispatch' under pressure of 'the authorities' to avoid further questions and comments...

[slipperylobster]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

Maybe just must be demographics of the visitor population.

You mean young, European budget travelers who enjoy partying? Is this island more populated with these "types" than others?

It is eerie...for it's size. I have seen many young travelers in Koh Samet, Phangan, Phi-Phi , Koh Chang and Samui. Koh Tao has some kind of bad karma going on. It is one death after another...regardless of circumstances.

Edited January 25, 2015 by slipperylobster

[JLCrab]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

Maybe just must be demographics of the visitor population.

You mean young, European budget travelers who enjoy partying? Is this island more populated with these "types" than others?

It is eerie...for it's size. I have seen many young travelers in Koh Samet, Phangan, Phi-Phi , Koh Chang and Samui. Koh Tao has some kind of bad karma going on. It is one death after another...regardless of circumstances.

Must be the karma then but you sure do get around.

[slipperylobster]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

Maybe just must be demographics of the visitor population.

You mean young, European budget travelers who enjoy partying? Is this island more populated with these "types" than others?

It is eerie...for it's size. I have seen many young travelers in Koh Samet, Phangan, Phi-Phi , Koh Chang and Samui. Koh Tao has some kind of bad karma going on. It is one death after another...regardless of circumstances.

Must be the karma then but you sure do get around.

Former back packer...at age 59...lol. Yes, all around. Not only in Thailand.

[berybert]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

Maybe just must be demographics of the visitor population.

Yeah all those young people dying. Now if only it was old people who went there. Be far less deaths.

[nottocus]

Death Island…more like Death Country.

[catsanddogs]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

Maybe just must be demographics of the visitor population.

Yeah all those young people dying. Now if only it was old people who went there. Be far less deaths.

Certainly would, especially if they were crinklies in bikini.

[JLCrab]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

Maybe just must be demographics of the visitor population.

Yeah all those young people dying. Now if only it was old people who went there. Be far less deaths.

Aw shucks -- drinking and drugs aside I guess that argument just flew right out the window.

[jaltsc]

"The institute said there was no trace of semen either."

Note to institute: Rapists are aware of the use of condoms. That is why "real" professional forensic scientists also check for hair, perspiration, skin cell and other bodily samples. I'm not saying that the findings presented cannot be valid. However, the limited and unscientific methods used will always cloud the validity of the results of the investigation. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Edited January 25, 2015 by jaltsc

[berybert]

Seems an abnormal amount of deaths happen on that island, considering its population. Oh well, must just be coincidence.

Maybe just must be demographics of the visitor population.

Yeah all those young people dying. Now if only it was old people who went there. Be far less deaths.

Aw shucks -- drinking and drugs aside I guess that argument just flew right out the window.

Yeah cause old people don't drink or take drugs.

[JohnThailandJohn]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

Please ... as if the family has the right to tell a foreign country whether or not to investigate (autopsy) if a crime (murder) occurred in their own country. What a bunch of disrespectful nonsense making such ignorant speculation of this poor women who just lost a daughter when you cannot even use common sense about laws. All this further compounded with the spreading of another very a moronic Facebook comment suggesting a hotel door cannot being opened by staff, as this one was, if locked from the inside.

A young girl dies who was taking medication including pain killers and benzos while drinking as well as buying an expensive antibiotics in the days before dying. All indications from the witneses, the scene and medical examinations to date indicate no foul play and the mother has stated very early on her daughter died of natural causes. While it would seem her use of the word "natural causes" may not be the medical definition, it seems very clear what she meant.

There is absolutely zero reason, outside of far fetched theories, to suggest foul play and MANY factual reasons to point to there being no foul play. For God's sake let them conclude with the medical results and show the mother just a basic bit of respect and privacy at least until she gets her daughter back and cared for. While you and others want to play social media detectives for your own thrills, this women lost a daughter whom she knew and loved and this kind of wild idiotic unfounded rumor spreading serves absolutely no purpose except to satisfy some self feelings of inadequacy .... this women is no difference than the family of the actual Koh Tao murder victims who made clear such nonsense internet posting was hurtful to them. A big difference however here is there is no murder investigation ad a murder has not even been confirmed and there isn't anything to indicate any foul play ... except for what the morons on Facebook will come up with as the continue to feed each other to be convinced this was a murder.

While you may actually think people are stupid, there is nobody who can read the OP who isn't aware that lack of semen and lack of there being any sign of attack doesn't prove there was not foul play but rather just makes it less likely especially combined with other facts we know such as the medication, her door being locked from the inside and her valuables not missing. So, why mention this unless trying to promote it? And why mention overdose or natural cause when the report doesn;t suggest or mention either unless you are trying to create a subtle false argument that these are the only other two alternatives just as you try to state the mother is either "very naive" or the daughter had a a life threatening illness before she traveled. Really, while either might be truer is this the only two options?

This is just a bunch of nonsense with the clear design to manipulate other emotionally driven non-critical thinking people to get on another conspiracy band wagon. There is a whole world that exists outside the one of fantasy detectives land on social media that is filled with actual facts and logic and plausible theories that you don't need to lower your IQ to be part of.

Unless foul play is proven or even realistically suspected to be involved, none of us have any right to know the details of this girls life and death and this is the way it should be. Bullying and hindering authorities with nonsense theories and lies spread on the internet to release information that will be selectively believed and the rest used to fuel the needs of Social Media Detectives is a disgusting game to play when real people whose lives have already turned upside down are involved.

Edited January 25, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[Thai at Heart]

This girl's mother must have been aware when her daughter visited Koh Tao of the murders of Hannah and David. Unless her daughter already had a life threatening illness, she must be very naive to allow an autopsy to be carried out in Thailand. The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. It doesn't take a genius to understand that 'No sign of attack' does not necessarily mean she died of natural causes or of a drug overdose. And 'No semen' doesn't rule out foul play. There's an interesting point raised on FB about the doors of the rooms in the In Touch where she was staying not being able to be opened from the outside with a key when they are locked from inside.

The Thai authorities would not have released the body for repatriation without doing their own autopsy first but chose to take their time and left the body unrefrigerated in a temple on KT for a few days before sending it to the mainland for autopsy. That's probably their (sub)standard operating procedure on KT.

I think the thing about the lock is the other way round. The staff were able to enter the room easily when she didn't come to check out in time, so they could clean up the room for the next lucky backpacker. This indicated that there was NO lock on the inside and it was easy to open from the outside.

Most temples have refrigeration in casques if required.

Just because a body is in a temple, it is just festering in the heat. Funerals would get a little messy otherwise.

I was under the (quite possibly mistaken) belief that coffins are packed with dry ice to preserve the body?

Innocent death or not in this case, I still shall not be rolling the Ko Tao dice, thank you very much. Life is finite enough as it is.

I dontated one to a temple, so electrically chilled casques definitely exist.

[rainman333]

I'm at the point where I don't trust or give any creditbility to any Thai agency, whether it is due to corruption or incompetence.

[JohnThailandJohn]

From Post #2 above: "The girl was found dead on 21st January - 5 days ago so it surely wouldn't have been that difficult to have the body bought back to the UK in that time for an autopsy to be carried out. "[/size]

From the UK [/size]MURDER ... OF BRITISH NATIONALS ABROAD

Memorandum of Understanding between the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and Coroners' Society of England and Wales (SEP 2011)

3.3 Under Article 37 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (VCCR) all countries have an obligation to inform the consular post within which district a suspicious death occurs 'without delay'. However, foreign Governments are under no obligation to provide the FCO with any further information, detail or support in relation to the death of a British national abroad. In some countries the investigating authorities and Courts may refuse to answer enquiries from third parties, including British consular staff.

Facts and reality that don't fit into the Social Media Detective game and will be ignored or denied by players ... the only reality based thing needed to play the game is a real death .. preferably that of a young attractive Caucasian as players find this helps keep emotions high, logic down and the game going longer. Edited January 25, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn