Police: 5 dead, including gunman, in US shooting

[Lite Beer]

Police: 5 dead, including gunman, in US shooting
RAY HENRY, Associated Press


DOUGLASVILLE, Georgia (AP) — Five people were dead, including the gunman, after a shooting in a housing development in suburban Atlanta that also left two children injured, police said.

Authorities arrived at the subdivision of two-story homes west of Atlanta after receiving a police call around 3 p.m., Douglas County Sheriff's Lt. Glenn Daniel said.

Daniel said a man came to a house and shot his ex-wife and several children. Police were still working Saturday to identify the victims and confirm their relationships, he said.

The shooter, whose name has not been released, is believed to have died by a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Daniel said.

Daniel said he did not immediately know when the couple divorced or whether the family had prior contact with police.

"I've been in law enforcement out here 20 years and this is the worst I've ever seen," Daniel said.

Daniel said that neighbors apparently heard or saw the shooting and came outside to assist the victims until rescuers arrived. Some victims appeared to have been shot inside the residence while others were apparently shot outside.

Investigators have not released the names of the suspect or the victims because their family members have not yet been notified. The motive of the shooting was not immediately clear.

Investigators obtained a warrant to enter the home, now surrounded by crime scene tape, on Saturday so they could take and exam evidence from the crime scene.

Kenya Beyah, who lives about four doors down from the home where the shooting began, left flowers at the scene Saturday evening. She didn't know the family but said she saw kids playing outside from time to time, she said.

-- (c) Associated Press 2015-02-08

[angsta]

US gun nutter of the day. Is this really news anymore? Keep protecting those 'rights' freedom lovers!! ?

[Jay Sata]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

[Baerboxer]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

[wwest5829]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

I agree with your idea that there are nuts everywhere. Just a couple of points brought to my mind. Along with manpower, policy and procedures, while it might be implied, funding through taxation is critical.

The larger question for the U.S. is, why the populace feels more threatened that citizens in other countries so as to feel the need for parsonal weapons? If the crime rate is higher, why is that in one of the leading democracies? Other world democratic citizens do not seem to be so fearful of government power, why is there so much distrust of their fellow citizens who have been elected? Or is it fear from the U.S. military? Sorry, just got me to thinking.

[car720]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

I agree with your idea that there are nuts everywhere. Just a couple of points brought to my mind. Along with manpower, policy and procedures, while it might be implied, funding through taxation is critical.

The larger question for the U.S. is, why the populace feels more threatened that citizens in other countries so as to feel the need for parsonal weapons? If the crime rate is higher, why is that in one of the leading democracies? Other world democratic citizens do not seem to be so fearful of government power, why is there so much distrust of their fellow citizens who have been elected? Or is it fear from the U.S. military? Sorry, just got me to thinking.

Man you have obviously never lived in Australia.

I cannot think of one aussie who wouldn't gladly shoot every pollie he ever met if he had a chance.

[NeverSure]

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

I agree with your idea that there are nuts everywhere. Just a couple of points brought to my mind. Along with manpower, policy and procedures, while it might be implied, funding through taxation is critical.

The larger question for the U.S. is, why the populace feels more threatened that citizens in other countries so as to feel the need for parsonal weapons? If the crime rate is higher, why is that in one of the leading democracies? Other world democratic citizens do not seem to be so fearful of government power, why is there so much distrust of their fellow citizens who have been elected? Or is it fear from the U.S. military? Sorry, just got me to thinking.

Actually, some of us Americans feel that it is the Europeans who don't get it. For myself, I see huge danger looming on the horizon for countries in Europe which have dangerous immigration, PC politicians and dangerous immigrants who are outbreeding them at a rapid rate. W. Europe has been relatively safe for a long time, but people get complacent.

I predict that the day will come when native Europeans wish they had a way to take to the streets and defend their homelands. But they won't, and right now even their governments aren't on their sides. It isn't PC to be on their sides. They can't even count on their police or courts to defend them.

What say we just let W. Europe, Canada, Australia and others have their culture, and you guys let the US have its culture? No one in the US is trying to force its beliefs in this matter on you.

The hoots and derision come from the other side, not from Americans, and it's rude. Sometimes it's hateful.

Let's let this play out and see how our grandchildren feel about this issue with all of the changes that are taking place in Europe and in the world.

[reptile91602]

Someone who is never sure of himself is a real nut job. Let's arm the world and all go out on the street and defend ourselves. Shoot and ask questions later. Yeah!!!

[John Kane]

A reply here asked if the crime rate is so horrible in the USA that people feel the need to have a gun. Actually the crime rate ion USA is at a 20 year low but it is highly exaggerated and sensationalize just as so many other issues are. The crazy think Americans are taught to think about international trafficking of people is off the wall crazy. US people have a lot to be afraid of due more to media than anything else. Very sad but probably common among declining imperial super powers. Oh well, good to be in Thailand. Right guys?!

[poweratradio]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

I agree with your idea that there are nuts everywhere. Just a couple of points brought to my mind. Along with manpower, policy and procedures, while it might be implied, funding through taxation is critical.

The larger question for the U.S. is, why the populace feels more threatened that citizens in other countries so as to feel the need for parsonal weapons? If the crime rate is higher, why is that in one of the leading democracies? Other world democratic citizens do not seem to be so fearful of government power, why is there so much distrust of their fellow citizens who have been elected? Or is it fear from the U.S. military? Sorry, just got me to thinking.

Man you have obviously never lived in Australia.

I cannot think of one aussie who wouldn't gladly shoot every pollie he ever met if he had a chance.

What is a pollie

[NeverSure]

As I said, sometimes hateful...

[NeverSure]

A reply here asked if the crime rate is so horrible in the USA that people feel the need to have a gun. Actually the crime rate ion USA is at a 20 year low but it is highly exaggerated and sensationalize just as so many other issues are. The crazy think Americans are taught to think about international trafficking of people is off the wall crazy. US people have a lot to be afraid of due more to media than anything else. Very sad but probably common among declining imperial super powers. Oh well, good to be in Thailand. Right guys?!

Right. Thailand which has the 3rd highest gun murder rate in the world - far higher per capita than the US.

Sleep well.

[reptile91602]

What I can't understand is americans that come live in Thailand and prompte Europeans to pick up and horde arms and then make a comment that "Thailand has the 3rd highest gun murder rate in the world - far higher per capita than the US.Sleep well. What does that even mean. The gun crazy American living in Thailand with so many guns and he can't even have a gun here. He must be very scared.. so I say sleep well to you.

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

Having a gun in your home to protect your family (providing it is stored safely) is on thing, but having your population walking around the streets and going to bars and restaurants armed to the teeth is another.

I say anyone that is so paranoid that they need to walk the streets with a side arm (or worse yet an automatic weapon) is the real nutter.

I would not (and some 90% of the USA population) feel safe when strangers walk into a public place carrying firearms Who knows what their intentions are.

It's supposed to be a democracy so if most of the population wants stricter gun laws then why doesn't the USA have them? Corruption and bribing politicians by the NRA.

Keep the corrupt Congress out of it, have a referendum and go with the results of that decision. Listen to the people not money!!

[GentlemanJim]

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Actually, some of us Americans feel that it is the Europeans who don't get it. For myself, I see huge danger looming on the horizon for countries in Europe which have dangerous immigration, PC politicians and dangerous immigrants who are outbreeding them at a rapid rate. W. Europe has been relatively safe for a long time, but people get complacent.

I predict that the day will come when native Europeans wish they had a way to take to the streets and defend their homelands. But they won't, and right now even their governments aren't on their sides. It isn't PC to be on their sides. They can't even count on their police or courts to defend them.

What say we just let W. Europe, Canada, Australia and others have their culture, and you guys let the US have its culture? No one in the US is trying to force its beliefs in this matter on you.

The hoots and derision come from the other side, not from Americans, and it's rude. Sometimes it's hateful.

Let's let this play out and see how our grandchildren feel about this issue with all of the changes that are taking place in Europe and in the world.

I have no problem listening to your regiments re gun control or the right to bear arms but you need to be consistent and also need to remember very recent global history.

I predict that the day will come when native Europeans wish they had a way to take to the streets and defend their homelands

We may have to defend our homelands but you can not use that as a comparison. You are not a Native American. In fact only 200 or so years ago you took the land where you live away from Native Americans and you took it using the gun. No wonder you still do not wish to relinquish your weapons. Your forefathers were responsible for the genocide of between 12-20 million indigenous people, and only 200-250 years later you are calling it your homeland.

see huge danger looming on the horizon for countries in Europe which have dangerous immigration, PC politicians and dangerous immigrants who are outbreeding them at a rapid rate.

Yes we have never learned, that is exactly what happened in North America and I am sure the North American Indians were equally concerned about the 'dangerous immigrants'.

No one in the US is trying to force its beliefs in this matter on you

But that is exactly what the US did to 12-20 Million people and they were made to pay the ultimate price for being 'different'.

There is no hope yet for the US in terms of it's attitude to guns, it is too close to an episode in history that people participated in genocide, extreme violence is only 6-8 generations back and deeply embedded in the nature of the people. So dish out your argument but a dose of honesty would make it more credible.

[chuckd]

<snip>

It's supposed to be a democracy so if most of the population wants stricter gun laws then why doesn't the USA have them? Corruption and bribing politicians by the NRA.

Keep the corrupt Congress out of it, have a referendum and go with the results of that decision. Listen to the people not money!!

The US is not supposed to be a democracy. It is a Constitutional republic.

[GentlemanJim]

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<snip>

It's supposed to be a democracy so if most of the population wants stricter gun laws then why doesn't the USA have them? Corruption and bribing politicians by the NRA.

Keep the corrupt Congress out of it, have a referendum and go with the results of that decision. Listen to the people not money!!

The US is not supposed to be a democracy. It is a Constitutional republic.

You are correct, but why does it go around the world insisting other countries adopt democracy?

[Credo]

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

I agree with your idea that there are nuts everywhere. Just a couple of points brought to my mind. Along with manpower, policy and procedures, while it might be implied, funding through taxation is critical.

The larger question for the U.S. is, why the populace feels more threatened that citizens in other countries so as to feel the need for parsonal weapons? If the crime rate is higher, why is that in one of the leading democracies? Other world democratic citizens do not seem to be so fearful of government power, why is there so much distrust of their fellow citizens who have been elected? Or is it fear from the U.S. military? Sorry, just got me to thinking.

Actually, some of us Americans feel that it is the Europeans who don't get it. For myself, I see huge danger looming on the horizon for countries in Europe which have dangerous immigration, PC politicians and dangerous immigrants who are outbreeding them at a rapid rate. W. Europe has been relatively safe for a long time, but people get complacent.

I predict that the day will come when native Europeans wish they had a way to take to the streets and defend their homelands. But they won't, and right now even their governments aren't on their sides. It isn't PC to be on their sides. They can't even count on their police or courts to defend them.

What say we just let W. Europe, Canada, Australia and others have their culture, and you guys let the US have its culture? No one in the US is trying to force its beliefs in this matter on you.

The hoots and derision come from the other side, not from Americans, and it's rude. Sometimes it's hateful.

Let's let this play out and see how our grandchildren feel about this issue with all of the changes that are taking place in Europe and in the world.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Europeans. When push comes to shove, the US has enough guns to arm most of them anyway. The problem will be teaching them how to shoot them.

[Credo]

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<snip>

It's supposed to be a democracy so if most of the population wants stricter gun laws then why doesn't the USA have them? Corruption and bribing politicians by the NRA.

Keep the corrupt Congress out of it, have a referendum and go with the results of that decision. Listen to the people not money!!

The US is not supposed to be a democracy. It is a Constitutional republic.

the

You are correct, but why does it go around the world insisting other countries adopt democracy?

The US usually pushes for democratic reforms and free and fair elections. That's not exactly the same thing as democracy in the strictest sense of the word.

[chuckd]

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<snip>

It's supposed to be a democracy so if most of the population wants stricter gun laws then why doesn't the USA have them? Corruption and bribing politicians by the NRA.

Keep the corrupt Congress out of it, have a referendum and go with the results of that decision. Listen to the people not money!!

The US is not supposed to be a democracy. It is a Constitutional republic.

You are correct, but why does it go around the world insisting other countries adopt democracy?

They don't.

They attempt to set up Republics and have been successful in Japan, Germany, South Korea, to name only a few that come to mind.

Iraq and Afghanistan are some attempts not as successful as the first three mentioned above. Republics and Democracies don't seem to work as well when Sharia and tribes are involved.

[siam2007]

Just another normal day in the United States of firearms.....

[SouthernMan3]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

Well said.

(I think you meant banning weapons/guns, not crime)

Crime already banned.....

Thanks for doing the typing for me

Another note: Here in Thailand we have all types and shapes of blades.

Why I keep a mit pa or a blade of some kind easily accessible at all times.

Doesn't most everybody ?

[RickBradford]

[bangon04]

A reply here asked if the crime rate is so horrible in the USA that people feel the need to have a gun. Actually the crime rate ion USA is at a 20 year low but it is highly exaggerated and sensationalize just as so many other issues are. The crazy think Americans are taught to think about international trafficking of people is off the wall crazy. US people have a lot to be afraid of due more to media than anything else. Very sad but probably common among declining imperial super powers. Oh well, good to be in Thailand. Right guys?!

"highly exaggerated and sensationalised" yes indeed. Could this possibly have anything remotely to do with the gun lobby which represents the highly lucrative arms industry??

If this were a Thai man, someone would insist that he was compensating for a small penis with his gun, was emotionally immature like a 10 year old and could not control his basic uncivilised jealous rage...etc etc

Because this is in the US, he was simply enforcing his God-given right to bear arms....

[Chicog]

Was the perpetrator of this one over 10, because if so it would make a change from the recent shootings.

[JetsetBkk]

A reply here asked if the crime rate is so horrible in the USA that people feel the need to have a gun. Actually the crime rate ion USA is at a 20 year low but it is highly exaggerated and sensationalize just as so many other issues are. The crazy think Americans are taught to think about international trafficking of people is off the wall crazy. US people have a lot to be afraid of due more to media than anything else. Very sad but probably common among declining imperial super powers. Oh well, good to be in Thailand. Right guys?!

Right. Thailand which has the 3rd highest gun murder rate in the world - far higher per capita than the US.

Sleep well.

Come on, NS, you know this has been discussed many times before - that figure is totally incorrect.

Thailand is about 12th (which is bad enough).

Edit:

Old links:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/328985-farang-shot-and-killed-in-cm/page-6 - Post 150.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/155126-thailand-land-of-low-crime/page-2 - post 39

Edited February 8, 2015 by JetsetBkk

[aaacorp]

This one is much better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c

[aaacorp]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

Jim Jefferies made the most hilarious and truthful gigs about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c

Edited February 8, 2015 by aaacorp

[cookee68]

When do the protests begin?

[Petchou]

It's all been said before.

So many innocent deaths for the right to bear arms.

How many deaths and what is that as a % of the US population and the US gun owning population?

In China nutters kill innocents with knives and hatchets. It's their habitual weapon. There is no right to bear arms in China.

Nutters are nutters and will find a way to kill if they wan't to.

Banning weapons deprives the vast, by far the vast, majority of normal law abiding citizens of a means of protecting themselves and their families from attacks by nutters, criminals and extremists. It puts the onus on the police and law enforcement services, who response rates are governed by manpower, policy and procedures.

Only the naive think banning crime will deter or stop criminals or extremists.

This is the theory of pro guns and all war munitions that has no sense. No need to be Einstein to realize this is not a solution. More than 15000 homicides committed every year more than american soldiers killed in 4 years war in Iraq.

We can compare with the northern neighbors Canada, where guns are prohibited, there is no comparison. The country is safer and number of crimes is a way less.

Same thing apply for more civilized countries such Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark. Police should be the protectors, if not you can consider living in jungle.

Edited February 8, 2015 by Petchou