Dylan speaks his mind

[AYJAYDEE]

Really? This is what some of the "music world" say.

Pretty much nailed it.

http://www.westword.com/2012-10-25/music/bob-dylan-1stbank-center/full/

If Dylan tried to break into the music business today, he wouldn't stand a chance.....

lol! a world where justin beiber is a giant!!?? you call that a music world?? hahahahaahah

[KarenBravo]

Songwriter, maybe. Singer? Don't make me laugh.......

let us know when you sell as many albums

I don't claim to be a musician.

The article is about Dylan. Not Justin Bieber. Do keep up.

Edited February 10, 2015 by KarenBravo

[AYJAYDEE]

Songwriter, maybe. Singer? Don't make me laugh.......

let us know when you sell as many albums

I don't claim to be a musician.

The article is about Dylan. Not Justin Bieber. Do keep up.

youre the one setting themself up as an authority on "the music world"!! lol

[SpokaneAl]

Really? This is what some of the "music world" say.

Pretty much nailed it.

http://www.westword.com/2012-10-25/music/bob-dylan-1stbank-center/full/

If Dylan tried to break into the music business today, he wouldn't stand a chance.....

He probably wouldn't stand a chance. Why? Because looks and moves are more important that the singer and the song. We live in an American Idol world where the correct clothes and makeup, while singing someone else's song is the road to fame and fortune.

I suspect that if they were in their youth, the Rolling Stones, Springsteen and a boatload of others would not have stood a chance in today's music world either.

I don't know if you are referring to the Dylan of today or the one who was writing songs just as fast as he could type back in the early sixties and astounding everyone with his voice, music and words. He generated album after album of amazing music and most of it never, ever ended up on the radio. But those of us who listened and understood and felt knew and appreciated.

Either way, you say that as if it's a good thing. I find it as a bit of a sad statement of the times.

Edited February 10, 2015 by SpokaneAl

[AYJAYDEE]

Really? This is what some of the "music world" say.

Pretty much nailed it.

http://www.westword.com/2012-10-25/music/bob-dylan-1stbank-center/full/

If Dylan tried to break into the music business today, he wouldn't stand a chance.....

He probably wouldn't stand a chance. Why? Because looks and moves are more important that the singer and the song. We live in a American Idol world where the correct clothes and makeup, while singing someone else's song is the road to fame and fortune.

I suspect that the Rolling Stones, Springsteen and a boatload of others would not have stood a chance either.

However, you say that as if it's a good thing. I find it as a bit of a sad statement of the times.

I find it as a good description of his/her musical knowledge. all sizzle, no steak. and btw, they dont often sing someone elses song anymore. its either lip sycnced or run thru auto-tune.

Edited February 10, 2015 by AYJAYDEE

[KarenBravo]

So.....all recording artists have to look good to be successful.

I think many, many musicians would have an issue with that statement.

I'm not an authority on music and have never claimed to be.

My opinion (which is different to your opinion) is that Dylan can't sing to save his life and that he is no longer relevant, except to old, old fans. To the rest, he's an over-rated has-been.

[AYJAYDEE]

So.....all recording artists have to look good to be successful.

I think many, many musicians would have an issue with that statement.

I'm not an authority on music and have never claimed to be.

My opinion (which is different to your opinion) is that Dylan can't sing to save his life and that he is no longer relevant, except to old, old fans. To the rest, he's an over-rated has-been.

then you obviously havent been to one of his concerts in the last few years pal!

[SpokaneAl]

So.....all recording artists have to look good to be successful.

I think many, many musicians would have an issue with that statement.

I'm not an authority on music and have never claimed to be.

My opinion (which is different to your opinion) is that Dylan can't sing to save his life and that he is no longer relevant, except to old, old fans. To the rest, he's an over-rated has-been.

I enjoy a good discussion as much as the next person, but you seem to get meaner as the discussion progresses.

You are harshing my mellow.

[KarenBravo]

So.....all recording artists have to look good to be successful.

I think many, many musicians would have an issue with that statement.

I'm not an authority on music and have never claimed to be.

My opinion (which is different to your opinion) is that Dylan can't sing to save his life and that he is no longer relevant, except to old, old fans. To the rest, he's an over-rated has-been.

then you obviously havent been to one of his concerts in the last few years pal!

Why would I go to a concert of a person who's voice makes me cringe. Also, I'm not your pal.

[Ulysses G.]

I'm not a Dylan fan, but there can be little doubt that tons of other people are and that he made very important contributions to music. I LOVED the Beatles and Stones. They were Dylan fans and considered all making an LP together. Obviously it never happened, but if it did, hopefully they would have put his singing in the background.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[KarenBravo]

So.....all recording artists have to look good to be successful.

I think many, many musicians would have an issue with that statement.

I'm not an authority on music and have never claimed to be.

My opinion (which is different to your opinion) is that Dylan can't sing to save his life and that he is no longer relevant, except to old, old fans. To the rest, he's an over-rated has-been.

I enjoy a good discussion as much as the next person, but you seem to get meaner as the discussion progresses.

You are harshing my mellow.

Please re-read the last few posts and see who is getting personal and mean. It ain't me.......

[SpokaneAl]

So.....all recording artists have to look good to be successful.

I think many, many musicians would have an issue with that statement.

I'm not an authority on music and have never claimed to be.

My opinion (which is different to your opinion) is that Dylan can't sing to save his life and that he is no longer relevant, except to old, old fans. To the rest, he's an over-rated has-been.

I enjoy a good discussion as much as the next person, but you seem to get meaner as the discussion progresses.

You are harshing my mellow.

Please re-read the last few posts and see who is getting personal and mean. It ain't me.......

It ain't me . . . It is good to see that you are quoting a great old Dylan song, even if it is not on purpose.

[KarenBravo]

Old. Pretty much sums up Dylan, his style of music and his relevancy (IMHO).

Don't really have much more to add to this thread. I'll let the Dylan fans continue with their circle jerk.......

[Jingthing]

He was very relevant back in the days of the peak of the American counterculture baby boomer youth revolution. That was a major shift in American culture so he's a historic figure. Arguably bigger than Elvis.

Musically, yes, he's a classic case of the value of a distinctive voice even if it's not a pretty voice. No that doesn't always work but with his songs, it did.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Jingthing

[AYJAYDEE]

So.....all recording artists have to look good to be successful.

I think many, many musicians would have an issue with that statement.

I'm not an authority on music and have never claimed to be.

My opinion (which is different to your opinion) is that Dylan can't sing to save his life and that he is no longer relevant, except to old, old fans. To the rest, he's an over-rated has-been.

then you obviously havent been to one of his concerts in the last few years pal!

Why would I go to a concert of a person who's voice makes me cringe. Also, I'm not your pal.

and yet you pretend to know who still finds him relevant even tho youre not there!! lol! ESP? lol

[AYJAYDEE]

Old. Pretty much sums up Dylan, his style of music and his relevancy (IMHO).

Don't really have much more to add to this thread. I'll let the Dylan fans continue with their circle jerk.......

Lol! tony bennett makes a big splash at the grammy's and you go on about age and style of music?? lol

[KarenBravo]

Sorry. Anyone over twelve that uses LOL isn't worth listening to.

[AYJAYDEE]

Old. Pretty much sums up Dylan, his style of music and his relevancy (IMHO).

Don't really have much more to add to this thread. I'll let the Dylan fans continue with their circle jerk.......

hey, I found a review of your so -called "music world" you might identify with!!

[SpokaneAl]

Old. Pretty much sums up Dylan, his style of music and his relevancy (IMHO).

Don't really have much more to add to this thread. I'll let the Dylan fans continue with their circle jerk.......

Lol! tony bennett makes a big splash at the grammy's and you go on about age and style of music?? lol

You say old like that is a bad thing. I must assume that you are not actually in Thailand where the old are revered.

I am old - mid 60s - and hope to get older before my time is done. Each of us, whether our name is Bob Dylan or not, we have a lifetime of living, experiences and even a bit of knowledge to share.

When you say that he is old = a lack of relevancy, it sounds to me that you are saying that we are all purely expendable. You have no understanding nor appreciation for a man who is a giant artist, so no one else should either.

Does that mean you place no value on history and those who came before you?

A bit sad.

Edited February 10, 2015 by SpokaneAl

[AYJAYDEE]

Old. Pretty much sums up Dylan, his style of music and his relevancy (IMHO).

Don't really have much more to add to this thread. I'll let the Dylan fans continue with their circle jerk.......

Lol! tony bennett makes a big splash at the grammy's and you go on about age and style of music?? lol

You say old like that is a bad thing. I must assume that you are not actually in Thailand where the old are revered.

I am old - mid 60s - and hope to get older before my time is done. Each of us, whether our name is Bob Dylan or not, we have a lifetime of living, experiences and even a bit of knowledge to share.

When you say that he is old = a lack of relevancy, it sounds to me that you are saying that we are all purely expendable. You have no understanding nor appreciation for a man who is a giant artist, so no one else should either.

Does that mean you place no value on history and those who came before you?

A bit sad.

I'll assume youre talkin to Bravo.

[SpokaneAl]

If one actually reads Dylan's entire speech you would see the reverence he has for those who came before him. With that in mind, this discussion of age is interesting. Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, John Lee Hooker - the list goes on and on of the great bluesmen who continued to tour and play until the end.

BB King continues to play, even though age and disease have slowed him down. Johnny Winter was the same - he died while on tour. Heck, Glen Campbell continued to tour until Alzheimer's laid him low. And there are plenty of country western artists who sang and played as long as their bodies allowed.

The remaining members of the Grateful Dead are quickly selling out a 50 year reunion concert. The members of Jefferson Airplane are considering getting together to celebrate their 50th anniversary since they originally formed.

Brian Wilson, who was the heart, soul and creative genius behind the Beach Boys is currently on another one of his many tours.

Bob Dylan continues to tour and tour and tour. The Rolling Stones crank things up every few years and Springsteen is still going strong, even though, at 63, he is a relative youngster.

The casinos in the U.S. have generated enormous potential for those old bands to do short, yet profitable tours, and allows those musicians to continue doing what they love - playing music in front of people.

I am glad for that and happy that rock and rollers and bluesmen do not face mandatory retirement.

And let's move away from the current relevancy discussion and not forget the OP's original question concerning the legacy of Bob Dylan. To answer that I repeat myself - he is America's finest singer/songwriter, period - that is his legacy in my opinion.

Edited February 10, 2015 by SpokaneAl

[AYJAYDEE]

If one actually reads Dylan's entire speech you would see the reverence he has for those who came before him. With that in mind, this discussion of age is interesting. Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, John Lee Hooker - the list goes on and on of the great bluesmen who continued to tour and play until the end.

BB King continues to play, even though age and disease have slowed him down. Johnny Winter was the same - he died while on tour. Heck, Glen Campbell continued to tour until Alzheimer's laid him low. And there are plenty of country western artists who sang and played as long as their bodies allowed.

The remaining members of the Grateful Dead are quickly selling out a 50 year reunion concert. The members of Jefferson Airplane are considering getting together to celebrate their 50th anniversary since they originally formed.

Brian Wilson, who was the heart, soul and creative genius behind the Beach Boys is currently on another one of his many tours.

Bob Dylan continues to tour and tour and tour. The Rolling Stones crank things up every few years and Springsteen is still going strong, even though, at 63, he is a relative youngster.

The casinos in the U.S. have generated enormous potential for those old bands to do short, yet profitable tours, and allows those musicians to continue doing what they love - playing music in front of people.

I am glad for that and happy that rock and rollers and bluesmen do not face mandatory retirement.

And let's move away from the current relevancy discussion and not forget the OP's original question concerning the legacy of Bob Dylan. To answer that I repeat myself - he is America's finest singer/songwriter, period - that is his legacy in my opinion.

he is also a poet who sings his poems. and those poems will last as will leonard cohen;s,

[SpokaneAl]

Old. Pretty much sums up Dylan, his style of music and his relevancy (IMHO).

Don't really have much more to add to this thread. I'll let the Dylan fans continue with their circle jerk.......

Just to finish up, I really do not understand why you even chose to participate in this discussion.

If Dylan's voice bothers you as much as you say it does and "makes you cringe", how can you have even listened to more than a couple of songs of his, let alone listening, pondering, attempting to understand and providing critical thinking to his total breadth of effort across many decades of change that drove him and his musical direction?

And without that knowledge, how can you really render any intelligent opinion on the man's legacy?

Edited February 10, 2015 by SpokaneAl

[AYJAYDEE]

Old. Pretty much sums up Dylan, his style of music and his relevancy (IMHO).

Don't really have much more to add to this thread. I'll let the Dylan fans continue with their circle jerk.......

Just to finish up, I really do not understand why you even chose to participate in this discussion.

If Dylan's voice bothers you as much as you say it does and "makes you cringe", how can you have even listened to more than a couple of songs of his, let alone listening, pondering, attempting to understand and providing critical thinking to his total breadth of effort across many decades of change that drove him and his musical direction?

And without that knowledge, how can you really render any intelligent opinion on his legacy?

because she didnt hear him on top 40! how can he be good?? lol

[cooked]

I lost all respect for this guy when I watched the Bob Dylan cocert. Sinead o'Connor ripped up a picture of the pope on stage and said something like 'screw the pope'. As things turned out, this was about all the hidden and lied about paedophilia going on in the Catholic church and which she had been a victim of. Chris Christoffen, god bless him, went out to help her out emotionally and Dylan sullenly stayed very visibly in the background, not moving. He was probably thinking about his reputation or something. So, all though I liked some of his early stuff, I regard the guy with revulsion these days.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/flashback-sinead-oconnor-booed-offstage-at-bob-dylan-celebration-20131119

Edited February 10, 2015 by cooked

[SpokaneAl]

I lost all respect for this guy when I watched the Bob Dylan cocert. Sinead o'Connor ripped up a picture of the pope on stage and said something like 'screw the pope'. As things turned out, this was about all the hidden and lied about paedophilia going on in the Catholic church and which she had been a victim of. Chris Christoffen, god bless him, went out to help her out emotionally and Dylan sullenly stayed very visibly in the background, not moving. He was probably thinking about his reputation or something. So, all though I liked some of his early stuff, I regard the guy with revulsion these days.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/flashback-sinead-oconnor-booed-offstage-at-bob-dylan-celebration-20131119

Wow, that is pretty amazing that you made a conclusion and a decision about the guy based on how he stood in the background. You must be much smarter than me to understand his reasoning and know precisely what he was thinking.

[SpokaneAl]

I lost all respect for this guy when I watched the Bob Dylan cocert. Sinead o'Connor ripped up a picture of the pope on stage and said something like 'screw the pope'. As things turned out, this was about all the hidden and lied about paedophilia going on in the Catholic church and which she had been a victim of. Chris Christoffen, god bless him, went out to help her out emotionally and Dylan sullenly stayed very visibly in the background, not moving. He was probably thinking about his reputation or something. So, all though I liked some of his early stuff, I regard the guy with revulsion these days.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/flashback-sinead-oconnor-booed-offstage-at-bob-dylan-celebration-20131119

Wow, that is pretty amazing that you made a conclusion and a decision about the guy based on how he stood in the background. You must be much smarter than me to understand his reasoning and know precisely what he was thinking.

Granted, she has had a tough life. But in reading up on her, I see nothing to indicate any abuse was Catholic Church related. And the booing was because she had offended many with her Saturday Night Live performance. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but one must be prepared for the fall out.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinéad_O%27Connor

[cooked]

I lost all respect for this guy when I watched the Bob Dylan cocert. Sinead o'Connor ripped up a picture of the pope on stage and said something like 'screw the pope'. As things turned out, this was about all the hidden and lied about paedophilia going on in the Catholic church and which she had been a victim of. Chris Christoffen, god bless him, went out to help her out emotionally and Dylan sullenly stayed very visibly in the background, not moving. He was probably thinking about his reputation or something. So, all though I liked some of his early stuff, I regard the guy with revulsion these days.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/flashback-sinead-oconnor-booed-offstage-at-bob-dylan-celebration-20131119

Wow, that is pretty amazing that you made a conclusion and a decision about the guy based on how he stood in the background. You must be much smarter than me to understand his reasoning and know precisely what he was thinking.

Seeking fame and fortune all his life and suddenly he gets shy? Chris Christoffsen has more humanity in his little finger than this introverted shrinking violet. If you think thatr's the kind of guy you can admire, then ok. I can't.

[Jingthing]

Sinead deserved the boos.

Next ...

[SpokaneAl]

I lost all respect for this guy when I watched the Bob Dylan cocert. Sinead o'Connor ripped up a picture of the pope on stage and said something like 'screw the pope'. As things turned out, this was about all the hidden and lied about paedophilia going on in the Catholic church and which she had been a victim of. Chris Christoffen, god bless him, went out to help her out emotionally and Dylan sullenly stayed very visibly in the background, not moving. He was probably thinking about his reputation or something. So, all though I liked some of his early stuff, I regard the guy with revulsion these days.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/flashback-sinead-oconnor-booed-offstage-at-bob-dylan-celebration-20131119

Wow, that is pretty amazing that you made a conclusion and a decision about the guy based on how he stood in the background. You must be much smarter than me to understand his reasoning and know precisely what he was thinking.

Seeking fame and fortune all his life and suddenly he gets shy? Chris Christoffsen has more humanity in his little finger than this introverted shrinking violet. If you think thatr's the kind of guy you can admire, then ok. I can't.

I continue to remain amazed at the conclusions you have reached based on seeing him standing at the back of the stage, via the television no less. And these were the days before high def TV.

Your powers of insight are absolutely stunning.

Edited February 10, 2015 by SpokaneAl