Capital punishment concerns raised over Thai backpackers' murder case

[AleG]

I thought the DNA test was just to prove he was actually the son of the headman.

No. The DNA test was a media event with a foregone conclusion. Everyone on the dais knew beforehand the DNA wouldn't match the (purported) DNA found on/in Hannah. The people on the Dais: Headman and family member, and RTP brass. Does anyone think they would hold that staged event with the possibility of there being a match? It's like OJ pretending he couldn't fit the glove on his hand.

Note: Since the B2 were forced to sign a confession form in a language they don't understand, there haven't been any disclosures by RTP on this case. None, except the staged press event with Nomsod DNA. Before the B2 were nailed, there were announcements each day, peppered by comments from the PM.

How hard is it to change a file name on a computer? Everyone reading this has done it. That's how hard it would be to change the file of the 2 DNA typing cards (filename: DNA found in Hannah) to coincide with the B2 DNA typing cards (filename: DNA found in Hannah). One or two people could implement that in minutes. Everyone else (lower ranks, press corps, netizens) would have no choice but to accept it, whether they suspected foul play or not.

The only way to gauge the veracity of the DNA trail would be to get a reliable outside lab to test original samples. Then compare to DNA of 'persons of interest' (prior and current suspects). Oh, but wait a moment. Even the Brits can't do that. Why? Because Thai officials won't allow the Brits to see DNA typing from prior suspects in the case. If that's not part of a cover-up, then what is?

Most people are accustomed to accept what the RTP declare because RTP are uniformed and have authority. Does RTP have an agenda in this investigation? With statements like "a Thai couldn't have done this" and attitudes like: "this is terrible for tourism revenue. We must indict some people as soon as possible. It's not good for Thailand's image. Let's round up every Burmese migrant on the island and test their DNA."

Even Ms Porntip, arguably Thailand's top forensic expert, expressed serious doubts about the veracity of the DNA trail.

That is a perfect example of a conspiracy theory.

[jdinasia]

Regards Nomsod

http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php

"I've been affected a lot," said Warot Tuwichian, a 22-year-old Bangkok University student. "I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me." - See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php#sthash.5ZaiGEpD.dpuf

This statement by Nomsod (reported Sept 30th) is quite revealing. It indicates that (presumably fellow Thai students and the like) consider a fellow Thai to be a murderer, even if the guy is said by his father and RTP, not to have been on the island.

I find it difficult to construct any reasonable scenario where the students would be asking those questions to Nomsod if his non-presence on the island was factual, or if a Burmese migrant was suspected. Neither does Nomsod refute the questions, explain his movements as to where he was hiding out, or place blame on any Burmese migrants. Another half-truth?

A few days after this media exposure which was staged to clear him, the B2 were arrested. Convenient timing, perhaps? Well yes, it is too convenient.

You may wish to reread the statement. It talks about harassment from social media not from students.

As for the strawman you built regarding him not accusing anyone else. He wasn't there, how could he accuse anyone?

[thailandchilli]

Actually, Warot was cleared by the 25th. So, the police say they are looking for him on the 23rd, 25th; so much for the "he was hiding from the police for a week" meme.

Besides that, the reason he became a suspect was because armchair detectives "identified" him as being the man on the CCTV footage. I'm guessing someone floated up his name and that he was the son of an influential figure and that set off the outrage brigade, of course it had to be him. Son of a rich family getting away with murder in an intrigue involving corruption up to the highest levels of Thailand's government? That stuff sells, and you can pin all sorts of prejudices to it.

Two poor Burmese men, what can you do with that?

Really? It was the armchair detectives who first identified him, do you have a link for that statement to confirm?

Its a shame the RTP asked the general public for help in identifying the running man, I wonder if the general public when providing that help got labeled as armchair detectives? Oh here's the phone number for any information for the general public to share, its on public record in the media.

Col Theerasak Jantarapipat via 089-780-4056 or contact him at 087-518-5777

Here's how Nomsod's witch hunt began, very much like the way you and others say that me and others must be connected with the murders for daring to have a different opinion than yours:

"I didn't think that "Thai Police Story" would analyze whether or not "Nom Sod" was on Koh Tao (Turtle Island) on the date of the murder just by looking at a post on Facebook would they?

Well, the reason is because "Nom Sod" and his friends had posted comments on CSI during the time that Sean leaked out a statement that he was being threatened and bullied by the mafia. In many ways, this allowed Admin and people on CSI LA page to see the suspicious behavior and we were able to recognize the close similarity in the physical features of the suspect betweem the CCTV video and "Nom Sod"."

Nothing inspires viciousness and vindictive beheaviour like self righteousness.

Or maybe it was the fact that the RTP said they were looking for the headmans son and the RTP themselves made a connection between his apparent likeness in the cctv that started it all off

[stephenterry]

Regards Nomsod

http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php

"I've been affected a lot," said Warot Tuwichian, a 22-year-old Bangkok University student. "I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me." - See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php#sthash.5ZaiGEpD.dpuf

This statement by Nomsod (reported Sept 30th) is quite revealing. It indicates that (presumably fellow Thai students and the like) consider a fellow Thai to be a murderer, even if the guy is said by his father and RTP, not to have been on the island.

I find it difficult to construct any reasonable scenario where the students would be asking those questions to Nomsod if his non-presence on the island was factual, or if a Burmese migrant was suspected. Neither does Nomsod refute the questions, explain his movements as to where he was hiding out, or place blame on any Burmese migrants. Another half-truth?

A few days after this media exposure which was staged to clear him, the B2 were arrested. Convenient timing, perhaps? Well yes, it is too convenient.

Good points. Also, if he claims he did not attend class after the crime, then that doesn't sit will with the claims (by him and his supporters) that he was in class Monday morning at 9 am. Plus: in the alibi video (which most people think is a ruse and/or doctored), he's supposedly going to class, but he has no books, no folders, no papers, no pack.

So, basically there are contradictory statements as to Nomsod's whereabouts following the murders. Either he was on the island or fleeing from the island, or he was in class, or he wasn't in class. According to some on here, there are confirmation statements by teachers, students, etc he WAS in class - backed up by the RTP and their apologists who claim the CCTV was authentic, yet Nomsod said he wasn't (READ THE ABOVE QUOTE).

So which is the correct story, and which is a falsehood?

Seems to me that no-one connected to these murders is telling the truth - even the suspects have contradictory stories regarding their drunkenness and movements. Self-preservation from all, huh?

BTW - JD, you re-read the statements - there is a word 'ALSO' referring to social media. And if he wasn't on the island why on earth would people ask him if he was the killer? Presumably he was holing out in BKK and meeting people?

For the record, I don't think he was the killer of either of the victims. But I do think, by his very suspicious behaviour, that he knows a lot more than has been revealed. For example, it would make sound sense to remove himself from the crime scene, to give him and his family time to think how best to play it.

Edited March 27, 2015 by stephenterry

[AleG]

Really? It was the armchair detectives who first identified him, do you have a link for that statement to confirm?

Its a shame the RTP asked the general public for help in identifying the running man, I wonder if the general public when providing that help got labeled as armchair detectives? Oh here's the phone number for any information for the general public to share, its on public record in the media.

Col Theerasak Jantarapipat via 089-780-4056 or contact him at 087-518-5777

Here's how Nomsod's witch hunt began, very much like the way you and others say that me and others must be connected with the murders for daring to have a different opinion than yours:

"I didn't think that "Thai Police Story" would analyze whether or not "Nom Sod" was on Koh Tao (Turtle Island) on the date of the murder just by looking at a post on Facebook would they?

Well, the reason is because "Nom Sod" and his friends had posted comments on CSI during the time that Sean leaked out a statement that he was being threatened and bullied by the mafia. In many ways, this allowed Admin and people on CSI LA page to see the suspicious behavior and we were able to recognize the close similarity in the physical features of the suspect betweem the CCTV video and "Nom Sod"."

Nothing inspires viciousness and vindictive beheaviour like self righteousness.

Or maybe it was the fact that the RTP said they were looking for the headmans son and the RTP themselves made a connection between his apparent likeness in the cctv that started it all off

No, because what I quoted happened before the police announced they were looking for the headman's son.

[AleG]

Regards Nomsod

http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php

"I've been affected a lot," said Warot Tuwichian, a 22-year-old Bangkok University student. "I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me." - See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php#sthash.5ZaiGEpD.dpuf

This statement by Nomsod (reported Sept 30th) is quite revealing. It indicates that (presumably fellow Thai students and the like) consider a fellow Thai to be a murderer, even if the guy is said by his father and RTP, not to have been on the island.

I find it difficult to construct any reasonable scenario where the students would be asking those questions to Nomsod if his non-presence on the island was factual, or if a Burmese migrant was suspected. Neither does Nomsod refute the questions, explain his movements as to where he was hiding out, or place blame on any Burmese migrants. Another half-truth?

A few days after this media exposure which was staged to clear him, the B2 were arrested. Convenient timing, perhaps? Well yes, it is too convenient.

Good points. Also, if he claims he did not attend class after the crime, then that doesn't sit will with the claims (by him and his supporters) that he was in class Monday morning at 9 am. Plus: in the alibi video (which most people think is a ruse and/or doctored), he's supposedly going to class, but he has no books, no folders, no papers, no pack.

So, basically there are contradictory statements as to Nomsod's whereabouts following the murders. Either he was on the island or fleeing from the island, or he was in class, or he wasn't in class. According to some on here, there are confirmation statements by teachers, students, etc he WAS in class - backed up by the RTP and their apologists who claim the CCTV was authentic, yet Nomsod said he wasn't (READ THE ABOVE QUOTE).

So which is the correct story, and which is a falsehood?

Seems to me that no-one connected to these murders is telling the truth - even the suspects have contradictory stories regarding their drunkenness and movements. Self-preservation from all, huh?

Logical thinking is a spares commodity here, or it's easily overridden by the need to spin and muddle things on purpose.

"I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me."

Why would people ask him if he was the killer before he was named as a suspect? Obviously he is talking about the time after the murders, not before or on the day of the murders.

For this particular fantasy arch to be true he would had been suspected as the killer since the day of the murders, he was not, ergo this is just another wild goose chase.

[thailandchilli]

Really? It was the armchair detectives who first identified him, do you have a link for that statement to confirm?

Its a shame the RTP asked the general public for help in identifying the running man, I wonder if the general public when providing that help got labeled as armchair detectives? Oh here's the phone number for any information for the general public to share, its on public record in the media.

Col Theerasak Jantarapipat via 089-780-4056 or contact him at 087-518-5777

Here's how Nomsod's witch hunt began, very much like the way you and others say that me and others must be connected with the murders for daring to have a different opinion than yours:

"I didn't think that "Thai Police Story" would analyze whether or not "Nom Sod" was on Koh Tao (Turtle Island) on the date of the murder just by looking at a post on Facebook would they?

Well, the reason is because "Nom Sod" and his friends had posted comments on CSI during the time that Sean leaked out a statement that he was being threatened and bullied by the mafia. In many ways, this allowed Admin and people on CSI LA page to see the suspicious behavior and we were able to recognize the close similarity in the physical features of the suspect betweem the CCTV video and "Nom Sod"."

Nothing inspires viciousness and vindictive beheaviour like self righteousness.

Or maybe it was the fact that the RTP said they were looking for the headmans son and the RTP themselves made a connection between his apparent likeness in the cctv that started it all off

No, because what I quoted happened before the police announced they were looking for the headman's son.

If you copy and paste your quote "I didn't think that "Thai Police Story" would analyze whether or not "Nom Sod" was on Koh Tao (Turtle Island) on the date of the murder just by looking at a post on Facebook would they?" into google it takes you to a post on csi dated 7th Oct well after the RTP made their statements on looking for Nomsod

[stephenterry]

Logical thinking is a spares commodity here, or it's easily overridden by the need to spin and muddle things on purpose.

"I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me."

Why would people ask him if he was the killer before he was named as a suspect? Obviously he is talking about the time after the murders, not before or on the day of the murders.

For this particular fantasy arch to be true he would had been suspected as the killer since the day of the murders, he was not, ergo this is just another wild goose chase.

Exactly. Why would people ask him if he was the killer, if he was known not to have been there? And he WAS suspected of being the killer - with the RTP comment that they had enough evidence to connect him to the crimes.

[boomerangutang]

I wonder if the twisted arguments by jdinasia and AleG are indicative of how the prosecution plans to play their cards at the trial - to influence the judge. Here's the pattern: A fact comes forth and the time-line (more so than the fact itself) is challenged vehemently. Some examples:

>>> Nomsod was named a prime suspect by police

>>> Nomsod evaded police for about a week

>>> Nomsod claims he was at class. But also claims he quit attending classes.

>>> Police are seeking the man in the CCTV video, who they think is Nomsod.

>>> Mon claims it was himself in the same CCTV, but the video shows a younger man's skinny body.

>>> Two weeks in to the investigation, it changed course 180 degrees. Two as yet unheard of men were implicated, and the prime suspects up to that moment, were fully excused without a second glance.

......and police echoers, when realizing they can't disprove such allegations, then then try to attack the time line. It's called diversion. It may work for the judges, but it won't work for those of us looking squarely at the evidence. And those of us not trying to excuse people from being suspects because of their family's status, wealth, and connections with police.

[JLCrab]

It is quite possible that the defense may concentrate on disproving the evidence the prosecution puts forward against the 2 accused and never even mention that others may be responsible for the crimes for which their clients will be standing trial.

[boomerangutang]

It is quite possible that the defense may concentrate on disproving the evidence the prosecution puts forward against the 2 accused and never even mention that others may be responsible for the crimes for which their clients will be standing trial.

You're probably right. The prosecutors will try, as much as possible, to steer the direction of the trial to aim squarely at the defendants. By doing so, they would have to try as much as possible to snuff out any mention of Nomsod. Snuffing out mention of Mon will be harder, because he's known to have at least some involvement with the crime, at least peripherally. Mon allegedly claims he went to the crime scene right after the crime. He was also seen walking (sometimes in a hurry) over the crime scene, shortly after the crime. He probably knows a whole lot more, but for obvious reasons, he and the prosecution are going to try as hard as possible to limit his testimony - to only saying things which might implicate the B2. Obviously, none of the powers-that-be (RTP, prosecution, H's people) want Mon to incriminate himself or his nephew.

Then there's Mon's involvement with Sean (along with Mon's cop friend 'Big Ears'). That's another issue which the powers-that-be will want no mention of in court. If there wasn't the photo by Sean, that whole episode would be dismissed as pure conspiracy theory by you-know-who.

[JLCrab]

At this juncture I'm not too worried because, if this is to be a prosecutorial hoax in that the the prosecution knows for certain that the 2 accused are in no way complicit, I don't think those down on Samui are good enough to pull that one off.

Edited March 27, 2015 by JLCrab

[boomerangutang]

At this juncture I'm not too worried because, if this is to be a prosecutorial hoax in that the the prosecution knows for certain that the 2 accused are in no way complicit, I don't think those down on Samui are good enough to pull that one off.

Neither of us know what the prosecution is thinking. My assumption is they have doubts as to who is guilty. However, they're duty-bound to do their jobs. Their job is to prosecute and convict the B2 with all the skills and tricks they can. That's what attorneys do ww. OJ's million dollar lawyers were playing the game from the defense position. OJ's attorneys probably thought he was guilty, but they were getting paid to do all they could to convince the jury that he was not guilty. They did their jobs well. It's not about right or wrong, it's about playing the game with the most tact and skills.

It's not a black and white situation. Again, even if the prosecution have their doubts, they can't express any of that at trial. They can tell their wives and friends privately (after having them sworn to secrecy), but that's about it. There is a maelstrom of lies swirling around this crime and its investigation. It will come down to the Thai judges to decide - what are lies and what is truth. ....unless they too have an agenda.

[stephenterry]

At this juncture I'm not too worried because, if this is to be a prosecutorial hoax in that the the prosecution knows for certain that the 2 accused are in no way complicit, I don't think those down on Samui are good enough to pull that one off.

It's more of a question whether the defence team is good enough...

On the assumption that the court would find the B2 guilty as charged, the defence would have to convince the Court of Appeal to overturn the verdict, and then persuade the Supreme court to stand by the CoA judgement, possibly not in my lifetime. All in all, the B2 could be behind bars for a long time yet.

Edited March 27, 2015 by stephenterry

[JLCrab]

At this juncture I'm not too worried because, if this is to be a prosecutorial hoax in that the the prosecution knows for certain that the 2 accused are in no way complicit, I don't think those down on Samui are good enough to pull that one off.

It's more of a question whether the defence team is good enough...

No -- because the defense may be in a position to just pry enough and then sit back and watch the prosecution self-destruct if they are presenting a case that the prosecution is a fabrication and made of whole-cloth.

[berybert]

The defense should question Mon about where he was going on the morning of the crime when he climbed over the police tape.

That picture shows he had a purpose. He was heading towards something for a reason. He should tell us what the reason was.

[JLCrab]

The defense should question Mon about where he was going on the morning of the crime when he climbed over the police tape.

That picture shows he had a purpose. He was heading towards something for a reason. He should tell us what the reason was.

Unless the prosecution first calls him as a witness the defense may not even indicate that such person exists.

[CRUNCHER]

At this juncture I'm not too worried because, if this is to be a prosecutorial hoax in that the the prosecution knows for certain that the 2 accused are in no way complicit, I don't think those down on Samui are good enough to pull that one off.

Neither of us know what the prosecution is thinking. My assumption is they have doubts as to who is guilty. However, they're duty-bound to do their jobs. Their job is to prosecute and convict the B2 with all the skills and tricks they can. That's what attorneys do ww. OJ's million dollar lawyers were playing the game from the defense position. OJ's attorneys probably thought he was guilty, but they were getting paid to do all they could to convince the jury that he was not guilty. They did their jobs well. It's not about right or wrong, it's about playing the game with the most tact and skills.

It's not a black and white situation. Again, even if the prosecution have their doubts, they can't express any of that at trial. They can tell their wives and friends privately (after having them sworn to secrecy), but that's about it. There is a maelstrom of lies swirling around this crime and its investigation. It will come down to the Thai judges to decide - what are lies and what is truth. ....unless they too have an agenda.

You are right about lawyers' "skills and trick' etc.

It is a fact that sometimes it is not the side with the best case that wins, but the side with the best lawyers. Sad, but true.

[jdinasia]

Logical thinking is a spares commodity here, or it's easily overridden by the need to spin and muddle things on purpose.

"I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me."

Why would people ask him if he was the killer before he was named as a suspect? Obviously he is talking about the time after the murders, not before or on the day of the murders.

For this particular fantasy arch to be true he would had been suspected as the killer since the day of the murders, he was not, ergo this is just another wild goose chase.

Exactly. Why would people ask him if he was the killer, if he was known not to have been there? And he WAS suspected of being the killer - with the RTP comment that they had enough evidence to connect him to the crimes.

Circular thinking. People push a conspiracy theory on FB. It gets picked up but not investigated by the press. The police investigate. They clear him. People use the fact that he was investigated to suggest guilt, ignoring the clearance.

The same conspiracy theorists claim that his family is so powerful that he is beyond being touched, ignoring the argument that he was investigated.

[jdinasia]

I wonder if the twisted arguments by jdinasia and AleG are indicative of how the prosecution plans to play their cards at the trial - to influence the judge. Here's the pattern: A fact comes forth and the time-line (more so than the fact itself) is challenged vehemently. Some examples:

>>> Nomsod was named a prime suspect by police

>>> Nomsod evaded police for about a week

>>> Nomsod claims he was at class. But also claims he quit attending classes.

>>> Police are seeking the man in the CCTV video, who they think is Nomsod.

>>> Mon claims it was himself in the same CCTV, but the video shows a younger man's skinny body.

>>> Two weeks in to the investigation, it changed course 180 degrees. Two as yet unheard of men were implicated, and the prime suspects up to that moment, were fully excused without a second glance.

......and police echoers, when realizing they can't disprove such allegations, then then try to attack the time line. It's called diversion. It may work for the judges, but it won't work for those of us looking squarely at the evidence. And those of us not trying to excuse people from being suspects because of their family's status, wealth, and connections with police.

You still have not responded to the list of all the people who would have to be either part of your conspiracy theory, or complicite in it.

Your above argument suffers from a lack of internal logic. Named as a suspect and cleared shows that the family doesn't have the status you claim.

[thailandchilli]

Logical thinking is a spares commodity here, or it's easily overridden by the need to spin and muddle things on purpose.

"I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me."

Why would people ask him if he was the killer before he was named as a suspect? Obviously he is talking about the time after the murders, not before or on the day of the murders.

For this particular fantasy arch to be true he would had been suspected as the killer since the day of the murders, he was not, ergo this is just another wild goose chase.

Exactly. Why would people ask him if he was the killer, if he was known not to have been there? And he WAS suspected of being the killer - with the RTP comment that they had enough evidence to connect him to the crimes.

Circular thinking. People push a conspiracy theory on FB. It gets picked up but not investigated by the press. The police investigate. They clear him. People use the fact that he was investigated to suggest guilt, ignoring the clearance.

The same conspiracy theorists claim that his family is so powerful that he is beyond being touched, ignoring the argument that he was investigated.

Here's my understanding of your circular thinking, it was the RTP who pushed the "conspiracy theory" (your words not mine) on the 24th Sept is the earliest one I can find without digging too deep:

"Police free bar owners and look for ex-village headman's son" http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Police-free-bar-owners-and-look-for-ex-village-hea-30243997.html

Social Media or at least CSI did not mention the headmans son or any suspect until the first post on the 26th Sept. The only previous post to this regards the murders was a video of an interview where the official was speaking about the rights people have in Koh Tao to refuse to give a DNA sample

[apetley]

Regards Nomsod

http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php

"I've been affected a lot," said Warot Tuwichian, a 22-year-old Bangkok University student. "I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me." - See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php#sthash.5ZaiGEpD.dpuf

This statement by Nomsod (reported Sept 30th) is quite revealing. It indicates that (presumably fellow Thai students and the like) consider a fellow Thai to be a murderer, even if the guy is said by his father and RTP, not to have been on the island.

I find it difficult to construct any reasonable scenario where the students would be asking those questions to Nomsod if his non-presence on the island was factual, or if a Burmese migrant was suspected. Neither does Nomsod refute the questions, explain his movements as to where he was hiding out, or place blame on any Burmese migrants. Another half-truth?

A few days after this media exposure which was staged to clear him, the B2 were arrested. Convenient timing, perhaps? Well yes, it is too convenient.

You may wish to reread the statement. It talks about harassment from social media not from students.

As for the strawman you built regarding him not accusing anyone else. He wasn't there, how could he accuse anyone?

It says people kept asking him if he was a killer and ALSO that he was being 'harangued' by social media.

[stephenterry]

Logical thinking is a spares commodity here, or it's easily overridden by the need to spin and muddle things on purpose.

"I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me."

Why would people ask him if he was the killer before he was named as a suspect? Obviously he is talking about the time after the murders, not before or on the day of the murders.

For this particular fantasy arch to be true he would had been suspected as the killer since the day of the murders, he was not, ergo this is just another wild goose chase.

Exactly. Why would people ask him if he was the killer, if he was known not to have been there? And he WAS suspected of being the killer - with the RTP comment that they had enough evidence to connect him to the crimes.

Circular thinking. People push a conspiracy theory on FB. It gets picked up but not investigated by the press. The police investigate. They clear him. People use the fact that he was investigated to suggest guilt, ignoring the clearance.

The same conspiracy theorists claim that his family is so powerful that he is beyond being touched, ignoring the argument that he was investigated.

JD - it was Nomsod's own statement that people asked him if he was a killer - not some FB conspiracy. I agree he was investigated and cleared, that doesn't mean he was not involved in some way, even as an eye-witness or other means.

And it's a spurious argument you put forth - press reports recorded in the public domain have been littered with powerful families that have 'bought' justice when the finger is pointed at one of them. 'Cleared' is a figure of speech in such cases.

[fritzzz25]

Not sure why this thread is open anymore. 2 posters here know the whole story and have convicted these guys. What a waste of bandwidth.

[catsanddogs]

Regards Nomsod

http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php

"I've been affected a lot," said Warot Tuwichian, a 22-year-old Bangkok University student. "I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me." - See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-former-koh-tao-murder-suspect-confirms-innocence-48943.php#sthash.5ZaiGEpD.dpuf

This statement by Nomsod (reported Sept 30th) is quite revealing. It indicates that (presumably fellow Thai students and the like) consider a fellow Thai to be a murderer, even if the guy is said by his father and RTP, not to have been on the island.

I find it difficult to construct any reasonable scenario where the students would be asking those questions to Nomsod if his non-presence on the island was factual, or if a Burmese migrant was suspected. Neither does Nomsod refute the questions, explain his movements as to where he was hiding out, or place blame on any Burmese migrants. Another half-truth?

A few days after this media exposure which was staged to clear him, the B2 were arrested. Convenient timing, perhaps? Well yes, it is too convenient.

That's right. And rather than coming out with statements such as 'people keep asking me if I'm the killer' he would be saying 'I can give you a list of xxx names of people that saw me in Bangkok and people I was with to prove I was not on Koh Tao - here it is - look - please feel free to contact these people blah blah'

[berybert]

Not sure why this thread is open anymore. 2 posters here know the whole story and have convicted these guys. What a waste of bandwidth.

Actually I think the 2 who know what happened are beginning to struggle.

I.e. It was csila that got Nom involved in the case. Where by I dont think anyone mentioned Nom until the police decided he was someone of interest.

They were the ones who said the CCTV footage was Nom. It wasn't any of us nor was it csila.

We didn't start saying it was or wasn't him until Mr. RTP number 2 came in and dismissed it out of hand. And so begun the fun and games.

Maybe someone can zoom in on the running mans tattoos also. I cant say I noticed any.

[catsanddogs]

<snip>

Koh Tao Murder Suspect Arrested, Another on The Run

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon

KOH TAO – The police on Koh Tao Island have announced they have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

A photo taken by a Scottish tourist of two men suspected by police of involvement in the killing of two British tourists on Koh Tao.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

Investigators Tuesday interrogated Montriwat Toovichien, a 45-year-old bartender at AC Bar on Koh Tao who identified as the man seen in closed-circuit video footage in the hours before the Sept 15 bludgeoning deaths of Britons David Miller, 24, and Hannah Witheridge, 23.

Mr Montriwat, a brother of Koh Tao subdistrict village chief Voraphan Toovichien, was interrogated for almost three hours. He submitted to a DNA test before he was allowed to leave at 1.50pm.

<snip>

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-suspect-arrested-another-on-the-run.html

Edited March 28, 2015 by soundman
Edited for fair usage.

[jdinasia]

Logical thinking is a spares commodity here, or it's easily overridden by the need to spin and muddle things on purpose.

"I haven't attended classes since the incident occurred because people keep asking me if I am the killer. People on social media also harangued me."

Why would people ask him if he was the killer before he was named as a suspect? Obviously he is talking about the time after the murders, not before or on the day of the murders.

For this particular fantasy arch to be true he would had been suspected as the killer since the day of the murders, he was not, ergo this is just another wild goose chase.

Exactly. Why would people ask him if he was the killer, if he was known not to have been there? And he WAS suspected of being the killer - with the RTP comment that they had enough evidence to connect him to the crimes.

Circular thinking. People push a conspiracy theory on FB. It gets picked up but not investigated by the press. The police investigate. They clear him. People use the fact that he was investigated to suggest guilt, ignoring the clearance.

The same conspiracy theorists claim that his family is so powerful that he is beyond being touched, ignoring the argument that he was investigated.

Here's my understanding of your circular thinking, it was the RTP who pushed the "conspiracy theory" (your words not mine) on the 24th Sept is the earliest one I can find without digging too deep:

"Police free bar owners and look for ex-village headman's son" http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Police-free-bar-owners-and-look-for-ex-village-hea-30243997.html

Social Media or at least CSI did not mention the headmans son or any suspect until the first post on the 26th Sept. The only previous post to this regards the murders was a video of an interview where the official was speaking about the rights people have in Koh Tao to refuse to give a DNA sample

Csila mentioned him earlier.

[jdinasia]

Not sure why this thread is open anymore. 2 posters here know the whole story and have convicted these guys. What a waste of bandwidth.

Actually I think the 2 who know what happened are beginning to struggle.

I.e. It was csila that got Nom involved in the case. Where by I dont think anyone mentioned Nom until the police decided he was someone of interest.

They were the ones who said the CCTV footage was Nom. It wasn't any of us nor was it csila.

We didn't start saying it was or wasn't him until Mr. RTP number 2 came in and dismissed it out of hand. And so begun the fun and games.

Maybe someone can zoom in on the running mans tattoos also. I cant say I noticed any.

Not true but very interesting how closely you associate with the case and csila

[berybert]

Not sure why this thread is open anymore. 2 posters here know the whole story and have convicted these guys. What a waste of bandwidth.

Actually I think the 2 who know what happened are beginning to struggle.

I.e. It was csila that got Nom involved in the case. Where by I dont think anyone mentioned Nom until the police decided he was someone of interest.

They were the ones who said the CCTV footage was Nom. It wasn't any of us nor was it csila.

We didn't start saying it was or wasn't him until Mr. RTP number 2 came in and dismissed it out of hand. And so begun the fun and games.

Maybe someone can zoom in on the running mans tattoos also. I cant say I noticed any.

Not true but very interesting how closely you associate with the case and csila

The only reason I mention csila is because you have done so on more than one occasion of late.