Isaan Redshirt leader dismisses links to grenade suspects

[NeilSA1]

Rambo Isaan.

Even the names they use and are proud of are associated to violent killers in movies.

Sure, sure he will never get involved in politics again because that narrative suits his agenda now. Like thaksin when he said he would not get involved in politics. Like Jatuporn when he said he was sick when he had to go to court. Like Tida who denied succession when there are youtube video's of the leaders saying it.

"Lies to further the cause" should be a UDD principle, but they don't follow their own principles so I assume if it was a principle they would start telling the truth!

Thank god these red shirts are but a shadow of the past.

like prayuth who said there will be no coup, I will not be PM and I will not hang onto power. Yes all these his thais are exactly the same. Different names but identical twins.

Does anyone think it would have been a bloodless coup if the general had informed that public that there was going to be a surprise coup early in the morning?

Do we know for definite that the general is going to hang on to power ?

I remember when the red shirt supporters were so convinced that Suthep was going to hang on to power albeit he had always said he was going to give up politics, once the protests were no longer required.

[tbthailand]

it's rather hilarious that posters go after KS for being biased on this article...

First the topic of the article is how the former leader of the NVDD denies a connection to the attacks. So they provide a series of quotes from old Rambo, dredge up some pre-coup quote, and point out that he was "adjusted" right after the 'intervention'. All of which are verifiable facts.

As for the story, does anyone expect old Rambo Isaan to say anything other than this? Really?

Under the current conditions in Thailand, there is no reason to believe any particular statement from either the police or their suspects. Take it all with a giant grain of salt.

The police and army who caught the two in the act of throwing a grenade and have been investigating their contacts are far more believable then the reds who you defend

This character who likes to call himself Rambo has no credibility at all and showing his previous acts and for that matter lies underscores that lack of credibility which does have a bearing on what he is saying today.

robby, I am not defending anyone and don't need to.

be objective, be skeptical, ... that's all. If you were a member of the RBNZ freedom fighters and were going to throw grenades at the criminal court, would you do it wearing your RBNZ freedom fighters t-shirt?

[NeilSA1]

what we're the connections that they left out?

Read the new threads and the Thai newspapers (or have them translated to you).

I thought you knew what they were and would be kind and share with us so we can all have the real factual story like yourself. We don't all read thai or have a personal translator. So help out another human being.

I remember you said you have a Thai wife and you live in Australia. Can she not be your personal translator?

Edited March 11, 2015 by NeilSA1

[Enoon]

Rambo Isaan.

Even the names they use and are proud of are associated to violent killers in movies.

Sure, sure he will never get involved in politics again because that narrative suits his agenda now. Like thaksin when he said he would not get involved in politics. Like Jatuporn when he said he was sick when he had to go to court. Like Tida who denied succession when there are youtube video's of the leaders saying it.

"Lies to further the cause" should be a UDD principle, but they don't follow their own principles so I assume if it was a principle they would start telling the truth!

Thank god these red shirts are but a shadow of the past.

like prayuth who said there will be no coup, I will not be PM and I will not hang onto power. Yes all these his thais are exactly the same. Different names but identical twins.

He didn't say anything of the sort.

Chiang-Mai Mail (and the rest of the media):

Army Chief reassures no coup d’etat

BANGKOK, 9 December 2013 (NNT) — The Army Chief has affirmed that there will be no coup d’etat no matter what the outcome of the December 9 protests will be.

Army Chief Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha made his firm stance that there would not be a coup d’etat by the military and urged all parties to find a peaceful resolution to the current political deadlock facing the nation.

The Army Chief added that staging another military coup would not solve anything, and would further tarnish Thailand’s image in the international community.

Gen. Prayuth ended with a statement saying that he realizes everyone loves their country; however, none are yet willing to learn to live with each other in peace.

Interesting that he decided to: "further tarnish Thailand’s image in the international community" Does that count as treason?

Edited March 11, 2015 by Enoon

[jaidam]

it's rather hilarious that posters go after KS for being biased on this article...

First the topic of the article is how the former leader of the NVDD denies a connection to the attacks. So they provide a series of quotes from old Rambo, dredge up some pre-coup quote, and point out that he was "adjusted" right after the 'intervention'. All of which are verifiable facts.

As for the story, does anyone expect old Rambo Isaan to say anything other than this? Really?

Under the current conditions in Thailand, there is no reason to believe any particular statement from either the police or their suspects. Take it all with a giant grain of salt.

The police and army who caught the two in the act of throwing a grenade and have been investigating their contacts are far more believable then the reds who you defend

This character who likes to call himself Rambo has no credibility at all and showing his previous acts and for that matter lies underscores that lack of credibility which does have a bearing on what he is saying today.

robby, I am not defending anyone and don't need to.

be objective, be skeptical, ... that's all. If you were a member of the RBNZ freedom fighters and were going to throw grenades at the criminal court, would you do it wearing your RBNZ freedom fighters t-shirt?

You are assuming that our Robby, and this red eedjit have comparable intelligence. They clearly don't. Never mind the red nutters logo'd bandana, it's a surprise they weren't wearing their UDD mittens(with string connecting both gloves to stop accidental loss on the way to red school).

[candide]

At least they know how to take care of their clothes. The neckerchieves look like new!

[Robby nz]

it's rather hilarious that posters go after KS for being biased on this article...

First the topic of the article is how the former leader of the NVDD denies a connection to the attacks. So they provide a series of quotes from old Rambo, dredge up some pre-coup quote, and point out that he was "adjusted" right after the 'intervention'. All of which are verifiable facts.

As for the story, does anyone expect old Rambo Isaan to say anything other than this? Really?

Under the current conditions in Thailand, there is no reason to believe any particular statement from either the police or their suspects. Take it all with a giant grain of salt.

The police and army who caught the two in the act of throwing a grenade and have been investigating their contacts are far more believable then the reds who you defend

This character who likes to call himself Rambo has no credibility at all and showing his previous acts and for that matter lies underscores that lack of credibility which does have a bearing on what he is saying today.

robby, I am not defending anyone and don't need to.

be objective, be skeptical, ... that's all. If you were a member of the RBNZ freedom fighters and were going to throw grenades at the criminal court, would you do it wearing your RBNZ freedom fighters t-shirt?

You are a longtime defender of PT and the reds, they were not wearing any identifying clothes, the things that identified them with Issan rambo's group were in their homes.

[tbthailand]

it's rather hilarious that posters go after KS for being biased on this article...

First the topic of the article is how the former leader of the NVDD denies a connection to the attacks. So they provide a series of quotes from old Rambo, dredge up some pre-coup quote, and point out that he was "adjusted" right after the 'intervention'. All of which are verifiable facts.

As for the story, does anyone expect old Rambo Isaan to say anything other than this? Really?

Under the current conditions in Thailand, there is no reason to believe any particular statement from either the police or their suspects. Take it all with a giant grain of salt.

The police and army who caught the two in the act of throwing a grenade and have been investigating their contacts are far more believable then the reds who you defend

This character who likes to call himself Rambo has no credibility at all and showing his previous acts and for that matter lies underscores that lack of credibility which does have a bearing on what he is saying today.

robby, I am not defending anyone and don't need to.

be objective, be skeptical, ... that's all. If you were a member of the RBNZ freedom fighters and were going to throw grenades at the criminal court, would you do it wearing your RBNZ freedom fighters t-shirt?

You are a longtime defender of PT and the reds, they were not wearing any identifying clothes, the things that identified them with Issan rambo's group were in their homes.

one side of the political divide is being purged and persecuted. Recognizing that is not defending anyone. I condemned the attacks at Big C against the PDRC protesters just as well as the violence to stop the elections.

I know that people who absolutely hate the UDD can't see it, but the UDD is the ONLY politically active group in Thailand which over the last 8 years has consistently called for democratic rule. Their opponents have consistently called for military intervention.

As I do believe in self-governance, my general stance may appear to red-shirt-haters to be a defense of their every action. It's not. I do agree with the intentions of groups in Thailand who promote democracy and justice... Currently the number of those groups is limited to (parts of) the red shirts and to certain social activist groups. I don't include Thaksin among those numbers, and quite obviously I don't include the Democrats, the PDRC, the Generals, or any of their allies in that group.

As for where the hankies were found, it's irrelevant - they could have found pennants for the NY Giants in their bedrooms and it would be as relevant. It's not even relevant to figure out if the hankies belonged to these guys or if they were planted...

[tbthailand]

it's rather hilarious that posters go after KS for being biased on this article...

First the topic of the article is how the former leader of the NVDD denies a connection to the attacks. So they provide a series of quotes from old Rambo, dredge up some pre-coup quote, and point out that he was "adjusted" right after the 'intervention'. All of which are verifiable facts.

As for the story, does anyone expect old Rambo Isaan to say anything other than this? Really?

Under the current conditions in Thailand, there is no reason to believe any particular statement from either the police or their suspects. Take it all with a giant grain of salt.

The police and army who caught the two in the act of throwing a grenade and have been investigating their contacts are far more believable then the reds who you defend

This character who likes to call himself Rambo has no credibility at all and showing his previous acts and for that matter lies underscores that lack of credibility which does have a bearing on what he is saying today.

robby, I am not defending anyone and don't need to.

be objective, be skeptical, ... that's all. If you were a member of the RBNZ freedom fighters and were going to throw grenades at the criminal court, would you do it wearing your RBNZ freedom fighters t-shirt?

You are assuming that our Robby, and this red eedjit have comparable intelligence. They clearly don't. Never mind the red nutters logo'd bandana, it's a surprise they weren't wearing their UDD mittens(with string connecting both gloves to stop accidental loss on the way to red school).

being objective means not making assumptions like you propose - that these guys were stupid. Maybe they are... but I am NOT assuming anything about their intelligence, where as you are assuming that they are idiots.

[rubl]

"Suphon insisted that his group, called the National Volunteers for Defence of Democracy (NVDD), ..."

"I am no longer involved in politics," Suphon said. "Nowadays, I only take care of my family, and I intend not to get involved in politics ever again."

Must be a large family to need such group.

BTW I have no real problem accepting that Suphon is not involved in politics, he already told us so in May 2014. He's not also not really the politician type., no one with such nickname can really be. He's a more direct family defending type.

Edited March 11, 2015 by rubl

[chooka]

Weren't those neckerchief part of Suthep and the Mad monks uniform?

Why you would not want understand that red shirts movement is a criminal organisation ?

Their movement is linking with a lot of criminal case like children murders !

Yes I agree the red shirts are bad. I still despise Suthep the Mad Monk and the coup. Why don't you want to understand that some don't take bloody sides and those that don't aren't blinded by love of thier idols. The suthep thing and the coup are just as bad as the reds and it is growing worse by the day.

[rubl]

Weren't those neckerchief part of Suthep and the Mad monks uniform?

Why you would not want understand that red shirts movement is a criminal organisation ?

Their movement is linking with a lot of criminal case like children murders !

Yes I agree the red shirts are bad. I still despise Suthep the Mad Monk and the coup. Why don't you want to understand that some don't take bloody sides and those that don't aren't blinded by love of thier idols. The suthep thing and the coup are just as bad as the reds and it is growing worse by the day.

Ah, both sides and it's growing worse. You probably mean the grenade and bomb attacks.

[than]

Weren't those neckerchief part of Suthep and the Mad monks uniform?

Why you would not want understand that red shirts movement is a criminal organisation ?

Their movement is linking with a lot of criminal case like children murders !

Yes I agree the red shirts are bad. I still despise Suthep the Mad Monk and the coup. Why don't you want to understand that some don't take bloody sides and those that don't aren't blinded by love of thier idols. The suthep thing and the coup are just as bad as the reds and it is growing worse by the day.

Ah, both sides and it's growing worse. You probably mean the grenade and bomb attacks.

It's really time to clean Thai politics , I hope the country will be restart on good tracks

[halloween]

one side of the political divide is being purged and persecuted. Recognizing that is not defending anyone. I condemned the attacks at Big C against the PDRC protesters just as well as the violence to stop the elections.

I know that people who absolutely hate the UDD can't see it, but the UDD is the ONLY politically active group in Thailand which over the last 8 years has consistently called for democratic rule. Their opponents have consistently called for military intervention.

As I do believe in self-governance, my general stance may appear to red-shirt-haters to be a defense of their every action. It's not. I do agree with the intentions of groups in Thailand who promote democracy and justice... Currently the number of those groups is limited to (parts of) the red shirts and to certain social activist groups. I don't include Thaksin among those numbers, and quite obviously I don't include the Democrats, the PDRC, the Generals, or any of their allies in that group.

As for where the hankies were found, it's irrelevant - they could have found pennants for the NY Giants in their bedrooms and it would be as relevant. It's not even relevant to figure out if the hankies belonged to these guys or if they were planted...

You don't include Thaksin, but think the UDD, his little club of paid propagandists, is the ONLY politically active group in Thailand which over the last 8 years has consistently called for democratic rule. Perhaps you should take a closer look at UDD, its members and their finances, who votes for its leadership, and the number of times they have dared to criticise PTP's blatant conflicts of interest.

UDD is nothing but a mouthpiece for a criminal, and their only interest in democracy is getting Thaksin or his stooges elected, and themselves paid.

[scorecard]

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one side of the political divide is being purged and persecuted. Recognizing that is not defending anyone. I condemned the attacks at Big C against the PDRC protesters just as well as the violence to stop the elections.

I know that people who absolutely hate the UDD can't see it, but the UDD is the ONLY politically active group in Thailand which over the last 8 years has consistently called for democratic rule. Their opponents have consistently called for military intervention.

As I do believe in self-governance, my general stance may appear to red-shirt-haters to be a defense of their every action. It's not. I do agree with the intentions of groups in Thailand who promote democracy and justice... Currently the number of those groups is limited to (parts of) the red shirts and to certain social activist groups. I don't include Thaksin among those numbers, and quite obviously I don't include the Democrats, the PDRC, the Generals, or any of their allies in that group.

As for where the hankies were found, it's irrelevant - they could have found pennants for the NY Giants in their bedrooms and it would be as relevant. It's not even relevant to figure out if the hankies belonged to these guys or if they were planted...

You don't include Thaksin, but think the UDD, his little club of paid propagandists, is the ONLY politically active group in Thailand which over the last 8 years has consistently called for democratic rule. Perhaps you should take a closer look at UDD, its members and their finances, who votes for its leadership, and the number of times they have dared to criticise PTP's blatant conflicts of interest.

UDD is nothing but a mouthpiece for a criminal, and their only interest in democracy is getting Thaksin or his stooges elected, and themselves paid.

"UDD, his little club of paid propagandists, is the ONLY politically active group in Thailand which over the last 8 years has consistently called for democratic rule. Perhaps you should take a closer look at UDD, its members and their finances, who votes for its leadership, and the number of times they have dared to criticise PTP's blatant conflicts of interest.

UDD is nothing but a mouthpiece for a criminal, and their only interest in democracy is getting Thaksin or his stooges elected, and themselves paid."

Well said, 3 times.

Thaksin, his puppet or any of the family, plus thida, weng, jatuporn, nuawut et al, have never, not once spoken even a few words to explain the real meaning of democracy.

All of they are good at a few things: dictatorship, fear, terror, lies, intimidation, collusion and corruption, and more.

Just for the record, is the other side of the equation squeaky clean? No of course not.

[Fat Haggis]

it's rather hilarious that posters go after KS for being biased on this article...

First the topic of the article is how the former leader of the NVDD denies a connection to the attacks. So they provide a series of quotes from old Rambo, dredge up some pre-coup quote, and point out that he was "adjusted" right after the 'intervention'. All of which are verifiable facts.

As for the story, does anyone expect old Rambo Isaan to say anything other than this? Really?

Under the current conditions in Thailand, there is no reason to believe any particular statement from either the police or their suspects. Take it all with a giant grain of salt.

The police and army who caught the two in the act of throwing a grenade and have been investigating their contacts are far more believable then the reds who you defend

This character who likes to call himself Rambo has no credibility at all and showing his previous acts and for that matter lies underscores that lack of credibility which does have a bearing on what he is saying today.

robby, I am not defending anyone and don't need to.

be objective, be skeptical, ... that's all. If you were a member of the RBNZ freedom fighters and were going to throw grenades at the criminal court, would you do it wearing your RBNZ freedom fighters t-shirt?

You are assuming that our Robby, and this red eedjit have comparable intelligence. They clearly don't. Never mind the red nutters logo'd bandana, it's a surprise they weren't wearing their UDD mittens(with string connecting both gloves to stop accidental loss on the way to red school).

Maybe they were and that's why the grenade didn't get thrown very far!!

[robblok]

it's rather hilarious that posters go after KS for being biased on this article...

First the topic of the article is how the former leader of the NVDD denies a connection to the attacks. So they provide a series of quotes from old Rambo, dredge up some pre-coup quote, and point out that he was "adjusted" right after the 'intervention'. All of which are verifiable facts.

As for the story, does anyone expect old Rambo Isaan to say anything other than this? Really?

Under the current conditions in Thailand, there is no reason to believe any particular statement from either the police or their suspects. Take it all with a giant grain of salt.

The police and army who caught the two in the act of throwing a grenade and have been investigating their contacts are far more believable then the reds who you defend

This character who likes to call himself Rambo has no credibility at all and showing his previous acts and for that matter lies underscores that lack of credibility which does have a bearing on what he is saying today.

robby, I am not defending anyone and don't need to.

be objective, be skeptical, ... that's all. If you were a member of the RBNZ freedom fighters and were going to throw grenades at the criminal court, would you do it wearing your RBNZ freedom fighters t-shirt?

Good argument only you assume the foot-soldiers are smart people. All over the world there is plenty of evidence of doing stupid things during crimes and all of a sudden red shirts would not make those mistakes.

How do you think terrorist get caught.. because they act smart or because they mess up ?

[Jai Dee]

One troll post and subsequent replies have been removed from this thread.

[rubl]

Yes I agree the red shirts are bad. I still despise Suthep the Mad Monk and the coup. Why don't you want to understand that some don't take bloody sides and those that don't aren't blinded by love of thier idols. The suthep thing and the coup are just as bad as the reds and it is growing worse by the day.

Ah, both sides and it's growing worse. You probably mean the grenade and bomb attacks.

Who exactly has been convicted of bomb attacks? Suthep thugs haven't and the reds haven't both pieces of excrement are the same. The problem with idiots on here they say my side is better than yours and people like us who sit in the middle laugh at these stupid moronic idiots.

Both sides same, and somehow only the opponents of one side bombed. No one convicted, but non-red-shirts hurt. Obviously time to mention Suthep's thugs and throw excrement around.

That's my opinion. Trying to look at the posts here objectively.

[scorecard]

You are a longtime defender of PT and the reds, they were not wearing any identifying clothes, the things that identified them with Issan rambo's group were in their homes.

one side of the political divide is being purged and persecuted. Recognizing that is not defending anyone. I condemned the attacks at Big C against the PDRC protesters just as well as the violence to stop the elections.

I know that people who absolutely hate the UDD can't see it, but the UDD is the ONLY politically active group in Thailand which over the last 8 years has consistently called for democratic rule. Their opponents have consistently called for military intervention.

As I do believe in self-governance, my general stance may appear to red-shirt-haters to be a defense of their every action. It's not. I do agree with the intentions of groups in Thailand who promote democracy and justice... Currently the number of those groups is limited to (parts of) the red shirts and to certain social activist groups. I don't include Thaksin among those numbers, and quite obviously I don't include the Democrats, the PDRC, the Generals, or any of their allies in that group.

As for where the hankies were found, it's irrelevant - they could have found pennants for the NY Giants in their bedrooms and it would be as relevant. It's not even relevant to figure out if the hankies belonged to these guys or if they were planted...

"one side of the political divide is being purged and persecuted."

Agree, both sides are far from squeaky clean but It's not too difficult to see that one side has a list of 'actions' (to use a mild descriptor) which is way longer than the other side.

[Robby nz]

"Suphon insisted that his group, called the National Volunteers for Defence of Democracy (NVDD), ..."

"I am no longer involved in politics," Suphon said. "Nowadays, I only take care of my family, and I intend not to get involved in politics ever again."

Must be a large family to need such group.

BTW I have no real problem accepting that Suphon is not involved in politics, he already told us so in May 2014. He's not also not really the politician type., no one with such nickname can really be. He's a more direct family defending type.

Always wondered, Ruby what democracy these volunteers were going to defend, possibly the new : People's Democratic Republic of Lanna (PDRL)

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/707965-we-favour-a-democratic-lanna-republic-chiang-mai-group-says/

As suggested by the subject of this topic among others.

Also wondered how they would choose their leader for republics usually have a president, or was that a forgone conclusion.

Noticed as I look at the map of the world that countries with democratic in their names are usually anything but, doubt somehow that Lanna would have been any different had it come to pass.

[Fat Haggis]

it's rather hilarious that posters go after KS for being biased on this article...

First the topic of the article is how the former leader of the NVDD denies a connection to the attacks. So they provide a series of quotes from old Rambo, dredge up some pre-coup quote, and point out that he was "adjusted" right after the 'intervention'. All of which are verifiable facts.

As for the story, does anyone expect old Rambo Isaan to say anything other than this? Really?

Under the current conditions in Thailand, there is no reason to believe any particular statement from either the police or their suspects. Take it all with a giant grain of salt.

The police and army who caught the two in the act of throwing a grenade and have been investigating their contacts are far more believable then the reds who you defend

This character who likes to call himself Rambo has no credibility at all and showing his previous acts and for that matter lies underscores that lack of credibility which does have a bearing on what he is saying today.

robby, I am not defending anyone and don't need to.

be objective, be skeptical, ... that's all. If you were a member of the RBNZ freedom fighters and were going to throw grenades at the criminal court, would you do it wearing your RBNZ freedom fighters t-shirt?

Good argument only you assume the foot-soldiers are smart people. All over the world there is plenty of evidence of doing stupid things during crimes and all of a sudden red shirts would not make those mistakes.

How do you think terrorist get caught.. because they act smart or because they mess up ?

You present some very good points about stupidity which kind of goes against the grain of how it would evert have been possible for the redshirts to have started and conducted any sort of civil war.

Now, if you really want to make statements of your intent, you simply DO NOT send your dumbest foot soldiers, you send switched on, dedicated and highly motivated guys with proven mission track records and have the ability to avoid basic errors, why is that so difficult to perceive ?

There are more than enough according to plenty of news releases all throughout last year that the redshirts have the skilled people in their ranks more than capable of complex attacks.

I keep asking myself why? And keep coming up with the same thoughts and that is they're nowhere near as complex or dedicated or organised as we have been led to believe.

The stories about training camps etc? Red Herrings

The stories about 10,000 strong trained Mlitias ? Red herrings

I these stories were even true by 10% they'd still have enough trained lunatics able to cause serious damage.

This spin about 7% is just that, are you seriously trying to tell me that out of nearly 5 Million hardcore " terrorists" as one poster keeps referring to, they couldn't il use 2 that's didn't use safe houses, have any identifying paraphernalia, didn't communicte via "line" and leave a trail that even Stevie Wonder could follow?

I look at the Reds from a purely military background, and they've shown nothing that supports or purportrates them to be a serious concern for National Security and has the needs to keep ththe country under Martial Law.

I have no doubt they have fanatics in their midst, but 7% ? Upwards of nearly 5 million? That's delusional!!!!

It was also reported in the press the other day that one of those captured said there was to be upwards of 100 coordinated attacks across Bangkok on the 10th? What happened to these? Was this just put out there as another Red herring, with the aim of being able in a day or so to say the RTA foiled over 100 attacks in th city? I have worked in Hostile environments for 11 years, and it's impossible to prevent mass coordinated attacks, there's not a snowballs chance in hell, I would or could ever beleiev the RTA were 100% successful in thwarting red shirt terrorists when theres serious Bomb blasts happening in the south of the country they have trouble preventing?

This is why I'm extremely sceptical of many of the claims being released by the Junta and the Police.

One thing is for sure, it's just as well the red shirts lack the same sort of intent and violence as the insurgents down in the South have, then you'd have a massive problem.

That's not being being an apologist this is me being a realist and having an insight into insurgencies, warfare and counter insurgency based on many years in such an environment.

I hope to hell that the red shirts never ever have the capabilities or the mindset and determination that the insurgents have down South, or we are all in the shit, and farangs will be easy targets to "make impact missions"

[robblok]

Good argument only you assume the foot-soldiers are smart people. All over the world there is plenty of evidence of doing stupid things during crimes and all of a sudden red shirts would not make those mistakes.

How do you think terrorist get caught.. because they act smart or because they mess up ?

You present some very good points about stupidity which kind of goes against the grain of how it would evert have been possible for the redshirts to have started and conducted any sort of civil war.

Now, if you really want to make statements of your intent, you simply DO NOT send your dumbest foot soldiers, you send switched on, dedicated and highly motivated guys with proven mission track records and have the ability to avoid basic errors, why is that so difficult to perceive ?

There are more than enough according to plenty of news releases all throughout last year that the redshirts have the skilled people in their ranks more than capable of complex attacks.

I keep asking myself why? And keep coming up with the same thoughts and that is they're nowhere near as complex or dedicated or organised as we have been led to believe.

The stories about training camps etc? Red Herrings

The stories about 10,000 strong trained Mlitias ? Red herrings

I these stories were even true by 10% they'd still have enough trained lunatics able to cause serious damage.

This spin about 7% is just that, are you seriously trying to tell me that out of nearly 5 Million hardcore " terrorists" as one poster keeps referring to, they couldn't il use 2 that's didn't use safe houses, have any identifying paraphernalia, didn't communicte via "line" and leave a trail that even Stevie Wonder could follow?

I look at the Reds from a purely military background, and they've shown nothing that supports or purportrates them to be a serious concern for National Security and has the needs to keep ththe country under Martial Law.

I have no doubt they have fanatics in their midst, but 7% ? Upwards of nearly 5 million? That's delusional!!!!

It was also reported in the press the other day that one of those captured said there was to be upwards of 100 coordinated attacks across Bangkok on the 10th? What happened to these? Was this just put out there as another Red herring, with the aim of being able in a day or so to say the RTA foiled over 100 attacks in th city? I have worked in Hostile environments for 11 years, and it's impossible to prevent mass coordinated attacks, there's not a snowballs chance in hell, I would or could ever beleiev the RTA were 100% successful in thwarting red shirt terrorists when theres serious Bomb blasts happening in the south of the country they have trouble preventing?

This is why I'm extremely sceptical of many of the claims being released by the Junta and the Police.

One thing is for sure, it's just as well the red shirts lack the same sort of intent and violence as the insurgents down in the South have, then you'd have a massive problem.

That's not being being an apologist this is me being a realist and having an insight into insurgencies, warfare and counter insurgency based on many years in such an environment.

I hope to hell that the red shirts never ever have the capabilities or the mindset and determination that the insurgents have down South, or we are all in the shit, and farangs will be easy targets to "make impact missions"

I have no idea bout their numbers but their killing in trad and other places proves to me it could get real bloody. You don't need 5 million people to cause a lot of trouble. Just a few could do a lot of damage.

I still think it could have been real ugly.. the junta did the right thing by intimidating those in power making sure their underlings did not do too much damage.

[Fat Haggis]

I hear you on that, but are you trying to say in a roundabout way that martial law is still in effect over a "few" people?

How many murders have been committed by regular Thais and farangs for that matter since the coup? The BIBs not the RTA can predict when incidents are going to happen but all they can do is post incident do all they can to catch the offenders and punish them accordingly.

You see Rob, I happen to agree with you, the numbers are low in terms of commited trouble makers so really, it's not a real justification to maintain martial law over the entire country as it's had zero effect on those wishing to commit violence down South has it? ?

[robblok]

I hear you on that, but are you trying to say in a roundabout way that martial law is still in effect over a "few" people?

How many murders have been committed by regular Thais and farangs for that matter since the coup? The BIBs not the RTA can predict when incidents are going to happen but all they can do is post incident do all they can to catch the offenders and punish them accordingly.

You see Rob, I happen to agree with you, the numbers are low in terms of commited trouble makers so really, it's not a real justification to maintain martial law over the entire country as it's had zero effect on those wishing to commit violence down South has it? ?

Thing is the moment you give the red a finger they take your whole hand. Without martial law they would start to protest.. we all know where that can lead too.. I was there when they burned BKK.. i have personally seen the men in black that supposedly did not exist. Sorry the potential for violence is too much from the reds. They have proven that time and again. They will use protest as a screen.

Now tell me what is so bad about martial law ? I don't see any problems with it it just keeps the trouble makers of the streets.