Dental Implant Prices

[mark lamai]

been looking at lots of dental sites and the price for dental implants , and other services,

seems to the same all over the country.

60-65,000 Bt for 1 implant.

which I reckon is expensive.

from what i kinda understand it is only a few hours work.

please do not say, gee its a lot cheaper than in the US etc, thats not relevant.

I can get a denture 50% cheaper in australia, by going direct to a dental technician, than the prices i see quoted here.

seems to me they are making enormous profits out of farang dental work.

any have a genuine breakdown of costs a dentist incurs.

what do they pay for the titanium implant?

how much do they pay the dental technician for a full denture that sell to you for 8-9000 Bt?

so does anyone know a good dentist who is not ridiculously expensive?

i guess the problem is i can only find the ones who have web sites etc. so obviously they have a marketing strategy to capture farangs with deep pockets.

[simcity]

I know you do not want this answer :

implant has been quote in australia for me between 3500AU ( 10100 bht ) to 5000AU ( 145000 bht ) someone told me around 7500AU to 8000AU dollars , this link is to confirm !

http://www.aardent.com.au/faq_cost.htm

the cost here is between 55000 bht to 65000 bht depends if need bone feeling !

said the dental work here is three time cheaper , it will be nice to see a implant between 40000 bht to 50000 bht .

will the price is going to drop ? are the price fixing ? hope many answers will come .

[taxexile]

ridiculously expensive

open your eyes.

the implanting of titanium posts into the living human tissue that are the human mandible and maxilla is a highly skilled procedure.

performing such surgery , and stitching it all up afterwards in the confines of the mouth demand very fine and precise skills indeed.

the misplacement of an implant by so much as 1mm , and you have put it into a nerve bundle , a blood vessel , the maxillary sinus etc.

the fabrication of the tooth that will sit on the implant out of expensive metal alloys and porcelains so that they actually have the same strength , colour , transluceny and reflectance of natural teeth involves a deep knowledge of the properties of the materials used and experience in handling them.

to then be able to articulate the teeth so that the complicated contour of the biting surfaces of the upper and lower teeth articulate comfortably and evenly makes the solving of a rubics cube childs play.

i guess the problem is i can only find the ones who have web sites etc. so obviously they have a marketing strategy to capture farangs with deep pockets.

if you want the good skills , you better be prepared to pay for them.

if you want to go to some cheap backstreet dentist to do this for you , i'm sure they will promise you the earth and take your money , well good luck. i have seen the results and heard enough stories of failed implants to know that suitable case selection is as important as good operating techniques.

these skills dont come just from reading a book , you cant buy them. you need a good understanding of many disciplines and years of hands on practice before you can do implants confidently.

the prices here are very reasonable.

it never ceases to amaze me how some people will quite happily and unquestioningly spend thousands on tv sets , expensive clothing , status cars , cameras , phones , booze and broads , yet when it comes to paying for something that , considering all that is involved , represents amazing value for money , they seem to think that they are being conned , cheated , or taken advantage of.

I can get a denture 50% cheaper in australia, by going direct to a dental technician, than the prices i see quoted here.

so what's stopping you ?

its because you think you deserve a rolls royce for the price of a ford , well it aint gonna happen.

[KRNN]

[simcity]

performing such surgery , and stitching it all up afterwards in the confines of the mouth demand very fine and precise skills indeed.

the misplacement of an implant by so much as 1mm , and you have put it into a nerve bundle , a blood vessel , the maxillary sinus etc.

By the way , the last one i got done here ( thailand ) do not require stitching , they have a new technology , a king of plstra wall around the new titanium .

Edited August 31, 2006 by simcity

[mark lamai]

thats my feeling to simcity,

i reckon 30-40K for an implant would still give a dentist a healthy profit.

thanks taxexile for the knowledgable info.

perhaps you have too much money.

a humble farang teacher here would be frugally saving for 4 months to afford 1 implant.

i think a fair comparison is like an affordability index.

e.g. aus bank manager earns say 6500 AUD a month (before tax and guessing) = more than 1 implant.

Thai bank manager earns 25000 Bt a month (yes/no?) = almost half an implant.

so taking taxexiles advice i will now give up the armani suits, chivas, karaoke girls, plasma screens and pawn the mercedes.

[taxexile]

"http://www.dental-implants.com/techniqu.html"

the link above , i just googled implants and that was one of the first , will give you some idea of what is involved in placing implants (note the suturing , simcity) and you should be able to understand that there is a bit more to it than just a couple of hours work in the chair.

implants may not be cheap , but they do represent good value. (when done properly by a competent professional)

finding a competent professional is the hardest part of the lot.

Edited September 1, 2006 by taxexile

[think_too_mut]

A colleague of mine (an Aussie as well) did his upper No.2 implant in Tokyo for 5000US$.

For that same work and materials the price was identical in Oz.

About 15% cheaper in Thai (he is a frequent visitor to there) but the risk of something gone wrong was too high and saving 500-600US$ on price difference (providing he was already there, no air ticket) was not worth it.

[lopburi3]

Am not clear where your friend found the price of about 180,000 baht in Thailand as the price range I have seen runs from about 60k to 80k here in Bangkok which would be more than 50% less.

[JackFrost]

I have just come back from my 6months in LOS and while there was going to get an implant - I was quoted up to 80k.

I am a tightarse but even I am not dumb enough to squeeze $$ on something so important.

So I decided to wait untill I got back to OZ. figuring if it was too dear I could get it done on my next visit.

I have just had a quote from the dentist here in Australia for $3500aud all up.

I then get $1000 back from my health insurance co. so I will end up paying about $500aud more than having it done in Thailand.

NO contest.

I will take the western system any day for a measly $500 extra - who cares if its even a grand dearer - I have seen way too much dodgy Thai workmanship to trust 'em.

My dentist said that I will have to wait 3/4 months between implant and finishing it off etc and this will involve multiple visits.

Suits me - production line MAJOR dental work does not impress me.

Just my 2baht worth

Jack

[taxexile]

i reckon 30-40K for an implant would still give a dentist a healthy profit.

what facts are you actually using in your "reckoning" ?

just to take this a little further , i would be interested to know what you would consider to represent a "healthy" profit margin and what you would consider to be a greedily unhealthy profit margin.

do you think that a professional such as a dentist/doctor/lawyer etc should work to a higher or lower profit margin than say a hairdresser ,bar or restaurant (where people pay high markups on soft drinks etc.) , car service centre (in the uk over 120 pounds an hour labour charge is not uncommon) , builder , supermarket or clothes store ?

[think_too_mut]

Am not clear where your friend found the price of about 180,000 baht in Thailand as the price range I have seen runs from about 60k to 80k here in Bangkok which would be more than 50% less.

To check, I just spoke to him. It was not Thailand, it was Taipei that he checked. He did not even bother with Thailand although he is there 7-8 times a year and 1 time per year in Taipei.

That's why I mixed it. My bad,. sorry.

However, he said it takes many visits to the dentist and took 6 months fot the bone to grow over the thread.

After his tooth was done, he saw ads for "laser implants" in Taipei and would do that if he was of that luck again.

[taxexile]

the following is about a uk company that organises dental tourism trips to eastern europe.

it explains various treatments , and gives an idea about pricing and what may or not be included in the costs initially quoted.

with implants , implanting the steel post is only the first stage.

make sure you know the total cost before committing.

Are you confused about dental implant prices?

Many patients don't know that a dental implant is not only an artificial titanium root

Replacing an existing tooth with a dental implant and a new crown take a several steps and there are other components involved than the implant and the crown.

The following steps are involved to complete tooth replacement with implants

First Visit

1. Making an incision in the gum

2. Drilling a hole in the bone that precisely matches the size of the implant

3. Placing the dental implant by tapering or screwing it in the bone

4. Placing the healing cap* (*with one stage implant placements) which is often called healing abutment.

The healing abutment is an important part of the implant procedure. It helps your gum in the healing and ensures that the implant will be ready for the second part of the implant procedure.

5. Suturing the gum ..................................................................... sure you didnt have it stitched simcity !!

6. Temporary restoration is fitted (for aesthetic reasons)

Additional 1 day visit is required between the first and the final one if the healing cap can not be fitted on the first visit.

Final Visit (After the implants fused with the bone)

1. Uncovering the implants by opening the gum tissue over it

2. Removal of the healing cap

3. Taking impressions for the restorations

4. Threading a small metal post on the implants.

This implant abutment is actually a vital part of your new tooth. Without it the crown would not have a firm support. The implant abutment is connecting your crown to the implant.

5. Your new crowns or bridges are attached to the implant abutments.

Different pricings

Some dental tour operators publish their pricelist by providing only the cost of the implant. They list the additional costs of healing screws, standard abutments and surgical costs on the bottom of the pricelist only. Some companies add these costs to the implant crown price.

This can often be misleading as the actual full cost of the treatment is not clear.

When considering implant placement abroad, it is recommended that you check if healing caps and standard implant abutments are included in the published implant price.

Example

Dentist Abroad other dental tour operator

Dental Implant (Ankylos) Dental Implant (Ankylos) £ 510

£ 600 Healing cap / healing abutment

Post / implant abutment

Temporary crown

£ 15 Temporary crown Healing cap / healing abutment £ 450

Post / implant abutment

£ 180 Typical permanent crown to an implant

(porcelain fused to metal) Typical permanent crown to an implant

(porcelain fused to metal)

£ 795 Total Total £ 960

We believe in clear and honest pricing and recommend that you look out for hidden extras.

=http://www.dentistabroad.co.uk/are-you-confused-about-dental-implant-prices.html

Edited September 1, 2006 by taxexile

[A_Traveller]

I looked at this a while ago.

There was a procedure which was just starting to be offered then which provided for a complete implant in 1 day. This may be why a respondent here did not require sutures.

However, the failure rate for the 1 day was higher than the 'traditional' multi-visit process though that has no doubt improved.

Regards

PS Link above is faulty

http://www.dentistabroad.co.uk/are-you-con...ant-prices.html

PPS

A Thai clinic offering the 1 day process

http://www.silomdental.com/oneday_implant.html

[simcity]

"http://www.dental-implants.com/techniqu.html"

the link above , i just googled implants and that was one of the first , will give you some idea of what is involved in placing implants (note the suturing , simcity) and you should be able to understand that there is a bit more to it than just a couple of hours work in the chair.

implants may not be cheap , but they do represent good value. (when done properly by a competent professional)

finding a competent professional is the hardest part of the lot.

Suturing taxexile , i got it done for my first one , but not for the one done last month , as i said it is a new technology , king of plastra and do not need stitching ! no more flapping and open gums

time will tell !!

But i am not telling it is more difficult or less , just the fact of the no need to have a stitching .

read :

Now, a fledgling Israeli company plans to make life easier for both the dentally challenged and their dentists, using a combination of CAT scan imaging, computer programming and a personalized stencil for improved precision in placing the implant. The classic implant process involves a technique called "flapping," where the patient's gums are sliced open so that the dentist can see the correct path to drill the screw through the gum line and into the jaw. Once the screw is in place, the gums are stitched together again. Recovery can take a week or longer.

Edited September 1, 2006 by simcity

[taxexile]

using a combination of CAT scan imaging, computer programming and a personalized stencil for improved precision in placing the implant

that should keep the costs down !!

what is PLASTRA , i've never heard of it and cant find anything on the net about plastra .

[simcity]

using a combination of CAT scan imaging, computer programming and a personalized stencil for improved precision in placing the implant

that should keep the costs down !!

what is PLASTRA , i've never heard of it and cant find anything on the net about plastra .

kind of feeling they put between the post and the gum , and add more on the top !

no more stitching and open gums , advantage not so painful for the next few days, did not open the gum as much .

they did not give me a list of the not to do :

drink cafe / hot / mouth wash / do not drink with a straw etcetera.. just back to normal quicker !

one week after i went back to see the dentist, everything ok , next appointment in two week .

take around 3 months before total work finish, he charge me same price as before 60000 baht , if you want more info i will message private the name of the clinic i use , and you can ask him directly !

[nostrel]

if you look at www.silomdental.com they have a selection of implant prices ,all about half the price of the UK prices. But even though BKK is cheaper i believe Prague is half the thai prices.

these implant prices are crazy when you consider the materials and time involved.

[nostrel]

there does appear to be a lot of ripping off of farangs on their dental work so shop around and get a number of estimates ,on another forum a guy reports being overcharged by 2000% and refused to pay the dentist. We could do with a specialist website itemising how much is a fair price to pay and you can bet there is double pricing going on for dental work. i know that there are cowboy dentists operating in BKK that have no formal qualifications and use dirty unsterilised tools which could infect you with something you dont want .

[nostrel]

silomdental advertise on their website same day implants !

http://www.silomdental.com/dental_implants...te_loading.html

[mark lamai]

anyone know Phnom Penh prices.

someone told me thay have very goog dentists there.

i emailed a few but have no reply yet.

would be good to see prices all countries for comparisons.

the Prague info is interesting, cause i imagine they would have very good dentists.

any ever negotiated a price with thai dentist,

say 300,000 bt of work at list price might be discounted to what?

[mark lamai]

on a roll i'll keep going.

here on Samui a root canal treatment is 4000 bt at the local clinic and at the Intnl hospital, then its 9000 at a fancy clinic.

a filling is 1000-1500

in bangkok a local clinic will charge about 500 and do a very good job.

the local clinic doctor here charges farangs 300 Bt just for the visit (50 Bt in BKK), then rips you off with medicines as well.

[simcity]

there does appear to be a lot of ripping off of farangs on their dental work so shop around and get a number of estimates ,on another forum a guy reports being overcharged by 2000% and refused to pay the dentist. We could do with a specialist website itemising how much is a fair price to pay and you can bet there is double pricing going on for dental work. i know that there are cowboy dentists operating in BKK that have no formal qualifications and use dirty unsterilised tools which could infect you with something you dont want .

brother of my friend ( chinese/thai ) did 7 implants in one dentist , not same as mine , paid 70000 a tooth !

i saw cheaper in south america

[nostrel]

http://www.dentistabroad.co.uk/

http://www.vitaleurope.co.uk/

http://www.novezuby.cz/en/sluzby-zubni-implantaty.php

http://www.europa-international.net/dental-surgery.php

http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/private-den...ntistry-hungary

[frenchFARANGbkk]

been looking at lots of dental sites and the price for dental implants , and other services,

seems to the same all over the country.

60-65,000 Bt for 1 implant.

which I reckon is expensive.

from what i kinda understand it is only a few hours work.

please do not say, gee its a lot cheaper than in the US etc, thats not relevant.

I can get a denture 50% cheaper in australia, by going direct to a dental technician, than the prices i see quoted here.

seems to me they are making enormous profits out of farang dental work.

any have a genuine breakdown of costs a dentist incurs.

what do they pay for the titanium implant?

how much do they pay the dental technician for a full denture that sell to you for 8-9000 Bt?

so does anyone know a good dentist who is not ridiculously expensive?

i guess the problem is i can only find the ones who have web sites etc. so obviously they have a marketing strategy to capture farangs with deep pockets.

You are right, it's so expensive here, because that kind of job is not yet something that most of the Thai will do. It's for the rich.

The price in Thaland is more expensive than in France and double price compared with some west european countries.

Something wrong for sure.

[JSixpack]

i reckon 30-40K for an implant would still give a dentist a healthy profit.

what facts are you actually using in your "reckoning" ?

Facts? Hah!

We go on feelings here--the feelings we acquired back in old nanny states about what's right and good for US. We KNOWs already, so don't try to confuse us w/ stupid numbers. We never learnt no economics, never needed to!

[backflip]

"overcharged by 2000%"

No, it was a million percent.

[Mike45]

I met an American in BKK that had just come from someplace in China. He told me he had been quoted $75,000 USD in California for the implants that he needed. He did them in China while visiting a girl. He had what looked to me to be a mouthful of implants installed one week prior and had paid $13,000 USD for them. He told me they were Titanium.

That's all I know about implants.

[stateman]

I met an American in BKK that had just come from someplace in China. He told me he had been quoted $75,000 USD in California for the implants that he needed. He did them in China while visiting a girl. He had what looked to me to be a mouthful of implants installed one week prior and had paid $13,000 USD for them. He told me they were Titanium.

That's all I know about implants.

My brother told me the price of doing implant in China, at a University Clinic. At the time it came to less than half the price of doing it in Thailand. He offered for me to stay at his vacation condo.

I don't remember the exact price off hand. Just want to mention that it may be worth checking,

Also remember reading an announcement by a Thai official in the previous government that they planned to R&D and manufacture the titanium implant products in Thailand. Would be nice, but I won't not hold my breath for it. If it ever happens, it may be several years before all the kinks are worked out.

I had a bad experience with dental work done in Thailand. I had a bridge 4-5 teeth long done by an Assoc. Prof. from Chula dental school at her private clinic. About a month later, while in the US, it broke. Upon inspection, there was a speck of impurity in the narrow part where stress would be most critical, causing the failure. The American dentist checked for me and said the way it was done was proper, except the material defect. Quality control! I needed another one done in the US.

[thaigene2]

It is more expensive here for implants than I expected. The 75,000 Baht routine is just to get you in the door. Then add on the bone grafting often needed, the failure rate they like to under-estimate, and all the other questions Tax Exile raised above, and before you know it - a standard Braenmark implant with bone grafting required will run you up to 100,000 baht by the time all is said and done. That's still around 50-70,000 baht cheaper than the UK of course. So I reckon in a good place like Dental Hospital of Thantakit you're getting 2-for-1!