Polish man assaulted by Pattaya Go-Go Bar Security Guards

[MrWorldwide]

All I ask is to show a little respect...

He is in a foreign country, and yes Thailand does have laws.

My guess is he got his ass kicked for being a total a**hole....

Seen this many times before, and from what I ever witnessed, most of them deserved it.!

Maybe their embassies could give them a little,

Training on how to act in Thailand.....

Just a thought.....

Here we go again. The farang's fault. He didn't show sufficient respect so the Thais justifiably beat him to a pulp.

The only a**holes are the Thai security guards and in most civilized countries they would have been arrested, waiting sentencing, and facing 5 years prison terms for assault.

I assume you dont accept blitzfix's firsthand account of what actually happened outside the club ? 5 year prison terms - really ? There are people in Australia who've done less for killing someone on the street.

[minikev]

All I ask is to show a little respect...

He is in a foreign country, and yes Thailand does have laws.

My guess is he got his ass kicked for being a total a**hole....

Seen this many times before, and from what I ever witnessed, most of them deserved it.!

Maybe their embassies could give them a little,

Training on how to act in Thailand.....

Just a thought.....

Here we go again. The farang's fault. He didn't show sufficient respect so the Thais justifiably beat him to a pulp.

The only a**holes are the Thai security guards and in most civilized countries they would have been arrested, waiting sentencing, and facing 5 years prison terms for assault.

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[umbanda]

I went to Pattaya once. Stayed 6 hours, left and never returned. Not my cup of Thai tea.

That was too much time!....I took 1/2 hour to find a parking space....1/2 hours to walk by bars facing the crowded beach, and the line of old farangs seated on to enjoy the hookers parade...1/2 hour more in a small restaurant paying prices of a big restaurant....and I was in my way to Rayong .. just 1/2 hour drive to a very nice and deserted beach to spend my weekend. Pattaya?...never again!

[TSF]

@kerrysum & minikev: Yes I was too quick. See post #61...mea culpa...

[mango66]

So, after they announced he was 86'd (that's an American restaurant industry term for banned, or taken off the menu) he refused to leave. So, instead of calling the police and having him trespassed, their security beats him up. The club owners should be permanently banned from operating nightclubs. Self-help evictions are not acceptable in the hospitality industry.

Remember though, the Pole might be one of these guys who turns into a major-league A-hole when he's got the drink in him, plenty of 'em around!!

Then again, maybe not.

(Seen on a T-shirt a while ago: "Instant A-Hole - Just add alcohol").

.

so you prefer any time when you druncan,

to get a iron bar over your head like this guy ??

Is it complementary in your country ??

[northernphil]

So the Pole got poled?

Yep, well Poleaxed. Mai pen rai.

[Usual Suspect]

OK so the Polish guy was drunk & abusive..it seems the doorman's only thought to quell the situation was to strike him on the head with a hook of some kind !

Will the bar-owners who employ these Thai thugs think for just one moment the photo above has been seen worldwide, & later wonder why tourist numbers from Europe are falling..?

I agree with the authorities..give the area a 30day ban, including Songkran..& make it plain & simple why they've implemented the ban.

[Rumblecat]

Guy's wearing a shitty tank-top and horrible shorts- so although it's terrible that he got attacked, you kind of feel like "yeah, okay..." Can forgive a lot of things but not horrific fashion sense.

There's no excuse. And that's the real crime here.

[mango66]

Only one per night ??

He Thai guys, you can do it better !!

I like Pattaya,

hope this scums stay there and not move to other places !!

[Guest]

So ... where are all the Thai bashers now that an eye witness has posted a very well written account of the incident?

Long ago I was a bouncer in a bar in the USA /// in one of its largest cities...

By our standards... this guy got off lucky and is very lucky to not be in intensive care right now.... and then off to prison for assault. That is correct ... in some cases that is possible.

Think about that before you label every event in Thailand as something that only happens here. Booze, drugs, red light districts ... fights, knife fights, gun fights ... it comes with the neighborhood.

You all need to get a grip and understand this is not your personal Disney Sex Land and everyone here works for you. It is like every where in the world ... you F with the Bull ... you get the horns.

I am so tired of this attitude that Thailand was constructed by a European Entertainment company and the "employees" are not behaving well. People whose idea of a holiday is excessive drinking, prostitution and mouthing off and disrespecting people should certainly not feign disbelief when occasionally one of the A Holes gets what is coming to them.

I could take you Jack Offs to clubs in the USA where they would put up with exactly ZERO of your nonsense and leave your teeth on the curb. Point being ... Thais are NICE compared to us ... so get a grip and grow up.

[Thai Travel Bug]

When security guards escort someone to the front door and evict them due to the state of their intoxication, they do not beat them to a pulp. When a patron becomes violent, or threatens violence, well who knows what may come their way. This could have been an each way bet. It may have been that either the security guards or the drunken patron were going to be injured in a physical confrontation. In this case it was the drunken tourist (Guest in Thailand) who came off second best. If you are at the point of intoxication where it is likely that you will become aggressive and or threaten harm to the hosts of your holiday destination, save it till you get home, or go home. No one wins by coming to Thailand and disrespecting the culture, brooding for a fight, or showing off your drinking skills. If asked to leave a premises, smile, walk on, walk out, and go back to your condo or hotel. Live to drink another day.

I would think that if you have reached the point of intoxication "where it is likely you will become aggressive" then you're hardly likely to be thinking rationally.

As for "disrespecting the culture", seriously? In a go-go bar?

In regards to your comment, "As for "disrespecting the culture", seriously? In a go-go bar?" If you believe that you are respecting people and their culture by standing at the door of any venue in Thailand and abusing Thai staff, punching Thai staff, flicking your blood on a Thai lady, and being an overall abusive jerk, then I suggest that you read your travel guide again, and also reflect on the term "Loss of face" It will bode you well in the future if you ever have to make a call on respecting another culture. It doesn't matter whether you are standing at the front door of a go go bar, or waiting in line to make merit. Respect Thai's and their culture if you want a pleasant and enjoyable stay.

[Moo2cm]

So, after they announced he was 86'd (that's an American restaurant industry term for banned, or taken off the menu) he refused to leave. So, instead of calling the police and having him trespassed, their security beats him up. The club owners should be permanently banned from operating nightclubs. Self-help evictions are not acceptable in the hospitality industry.

Remember though, the Pole might be one of these guys who turns into a major-league A-hole when he's got the drink in him, plenty of 'em around!!

Then again, maybe not.

(Seen on a T-shirt a while ago: "Instant A-Hole - Just add alcohol").

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I know... right? I saw a dog with his head freshly smashed in the middle of the road and a tear came to my eye. Then I thought this is probably one of those <deleted> dogs that chases me when I jog.... so, good riddance ehh? Dont feel bad there wiil be several others like you that will reply. Makes me glad I'm not human.

[MrWorldwide]

I went to Pattaya once. Stayed 6 hours, left and never returned. Not my cup of Thai tea.

That was too much time!....I took 1/2 hour to find a parking space....1/2 hours to walk by bars facing the crowded beach, and the line of old farangs seated on to enjoy the hookers parade...1/2 hour more in a small restaurant paying prices of a big restaurant....and I was in my way to Rayong .. just 1/2 hour drive to a very nice and deserted beach to spend my weekend. Pattaya?...never again!

Thanks for dropping by to give us the riveting account of the time you almost came to Pattaya - sounds like you were traumatised by a very ordinary hour and a half in our fair town. Not so much as a squirrel grip from a katoey or a hearty 'Frack you mi'ter !' from one of our delightful flower girls ? Mate, you havent lived.

[Rimmer]

A couple of one line troll posts removed also a reply

[bangon04]

The lesson here is do not act like a fool and you won't have these problems.

I saw a fight break out with some enraged drunk Arab guy this weekend who just wouldn't quit.

Then I notice one security guard quietly picked up a metal pipe that was hidden behind his back and it was about to get ugly. so Don't just think being big farang means you will automatically win.

"The Guards claimed he was drunk and abusive"

so they naturally assumed he was a Russian....

[mercman24]

you guys down there keep us informed via this page, should be interesting when it re-opens, i bet it does before songkram.

[MrWorldwide]

you guys down there keep us informed via this page, should be interesting when it re-opens, i bet it does before songkram.

I'll get right on that ....

I regularly walk past Showgirls, the go-go where 3 Brits were set upon by anywhere up to 12 Thais a month or so ago, and its business as usual with smiling Thai guys motioning punters inside. Someone who knew the guys personally claimed they dont normally go looking for trouble but there has been zero follow-up from PattayaOne or anyone else. As this news article points out, these incidents are hardly new in Pattaya but any attempt at chasing the outcome seems to be a foreign concept. Given the farce on Koh Tao and the Red Bull bandit, I wouldnt hold my breath for an outcome here.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crime/488716/3-foreigners-beaten-by-pattaya-bar-bouncers

Bar-bouncer attacks against foreign tourists has been a continual problem in Pattaya, with authorities adopting a zero-tolerance response to such attacks. In January, a Russian tourist was beaten senseless...

[lemonjelly]

If the bouncer needed to use a metal hook (?) .... He shouldn't be a bouncer.

[longstebe]

Why didn't the 3 security guards just pin him down till the police arrived rather than bashing him on the head with a metal rod?

[balo]

I hope the Thai bashers understand that being a door man in a gogo club is not an easy job, facing drunk foreigners all the time. In this case we have an eye witness and it's only one person to blame here and that's the Polish tourist. The Thais tried to be patient with him but the guy was brutal and would not stop the fight. Maybe a stun gun would have been better than a metal rod.

[Alwyn]

I know this will never happen in Thailand (although if enough palms are greased it might) but in the UK ALL security are licensed. My company is involved in training security and bouncers come under that umbrella. The trainees receive very intense training (assuming they pass the required police/personal investigation. Obviously how to defend themselves first but everything you can think of. How to pull somebody out of a group kicking, how to restrain safely (not around the neck/throat etc). How to identify potential troublemakers, how to diffuse situations before escalating to violence, how to spot a potential drive by-shootist among people who have been evicted, first aid, who is allowed by law to enter (police, council etc), how to take correct notes of ALL incidents. And so on.... In the UK there was a massive problem among doormen being overly violent, this problem is minimal now thanks to the licensing. It costs of course and doormen pay for their own badge but then they have a vested interest because if they loose the right to work, they're in trouble. I guess this is much the same in other civilised countries. Thailand, which is a country that is very quick to turn to violence - usually including weapons, would benefit from a system like this.

[Rimmer]

Off topic post removed, please stay on topic which is about a Polish man being assaulted by Security Guards

[Guest]

I know this will never happen in Thailand (although if enough palms are greased it might) but in the UK ALL security are licensed. My company is involved in training security and bouncers come under that umbrella. The trainees receive very intense training (assuming they pass the required police/personal investigation. Obviously how to defend themselves first but everything you can think of. How to pull somebody out of a group kicking, how to restrain safely (not around the neck/throat etc). How to identify potential troublemakers, how to diffuse situations before escalating to violence, how to spot a potential drive by-shootist among people who have been evicted, first aid, who is allowed by law to enter (police, council etc), how to take correct notes of ALL incidents. And so on.... In the UK there was a massive problem among doormen being overly violent, this problem is minimal now thanks to the licensing. It costs of course and doormen pay for their own badge but then they have a vested interest because if they loose the right to work, they're in trouble. I guess this is much the same in other civilised countries. Thailand, which is a country that is very quick to turn to violence - usually including weapons, would benefit from a system like this.

Thank you for taking time to post this well thought out piece of information.

Although I do resent your last sentence that implies you are civilized and Thais are not ... I do get your drift.

This region has been populated since about 1238 AD, which is more than 500 years before the USA took its first baby steps.

If you want to ply your craft in a country that is not civilized and where violence is the solution to most problems, pack your bags and head for the USA ... they need your wisdom and concepts much more that Thailand ...

You see, anyone who has even a clue about the Thai way, knows easily how to avoid conflict, especially physical conflict.

It is a one word summary and 100% effective.

The magic word is .... RESPECT.

Employ that in the Kingdom, and you have little to worry about.

It is really that simple.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Guest

[ebonykap]

So ... where are all the Thai bashers now that an eye witness has posted a very well written account of the incident?

Long ago I was a bouncer in a bar in the USA /// in one of its largest cities...

By our standards... this guy got off lucky and is very lucky to not be in intensive care right now.... and then off to prison for assault. That is correct ... in some cases that is possible.

Think about that before you label every event in Thailand as something that only happens here. Booze, drugs, red light districts ... fights, knife fights, gun fights ... it comes with the neighborhood.

You all need to get a grip and understand this is not your personal Disney Sex Land and everyone here works for you. It is like every where in the world ... you F with the Bull ... you get the horns.

I am so tired of this attitude that Thailand was constructed by a European Entertainment company and the "employees" are not behaving well. People whose idea of a holiday is excessive drinking, prostitution and mouthing off and disrespecting people should certainly not feign disbelief when occasionally one of the A Holes gets what is coming to them.

I could take you Jack Offs to clubs in the USA where they would put up with exactly ZERO of your nonsense and leave your teeth on the curb. Point being ... Thais are NICE compared to us ... so get a grip and grow up.

Yep, have seen it in Australia when I was driving taxis. And that was only in little old Adelaide (pop.1 mill. ). Every Saturday night late, bouncers taking delight in beating up drunken/drugged/both patrons.

I vividly remember outside one night club, a huge, muscle-bound bouncer relentlessly kicking a skinny kid who was semi-conscious, lying prostrate on the ground and frothing at the mouth. Not exactly a threat to the club in his state.

Thuggish behaviour by bouncers is certainly not restricted to Thais, or any particular nationality. In this case, judging by the eye-witness account, I believe the bouncers showed incredible patience and restraint.

[Thai Travel Bug]

I know this will never happen in Thailand (although if enough palms are greased it might) but in the UK ALL security are licensed. My company is involved in training security and bouncers come under that umbrella. The trainees receive very intense training (assuming they pass the required police/personal investigation. Obviously how to defend themselves first but everything you can think of. How to pull somebody out of a group kicking, how to restrain safely (not around the neck/throat etc). How to identify potential troublemakers, how to diffuse situations before escalating to violence, how to spot a potential drive by-shootist among people who have been evicted, first aid, who is allowed by law to enter (police, council etc), how to take correct notes of ALL incidents. And so on.... In the UK there was a massive problem among doormen being overly violent, this problem is minimal now thanks to the licensing. It costs of course and doormen pay for their own badge but then they have a vested interest because if they loose the right to work, they're in trouble. I guess this is much the same in other civilised countries. Thailand, which is a country that is very quick to turn to violence - usually including weapons, would benefit from a system like this.

Thank you for taking time to post this well thought out piece of information.

Although I do resent your last sentence that implies you are civilized and Thais are not ... I do get your drift.

This region has been populated since about 1238 AD, which is more than 500 years before the USA took its first baby steps.

If you want to ply your craft in a country that is not civilized and where violence is the solution to most problems, pack your bags and head for the USA ... they need your wisdom and concepts much more that Thailand ...

You see, anyone who has even a clue about the Thai way, knows easily how to avoid conflict, especially physical conflict.

It is a one word summary and 100% effective.

The magic word is .... RESPECT.

Employ that in the Kingdom, and you have little to worry about.

It is really that simple.

Well said. I have a wife, brother in law, two sister in laws, uncles and cousins who are Thai. None of them have ever gone out and ended up getting involved in a violent confrontation. None of them have had problems with bouncers or police. None of them have felt threatened, nor needed to be threatening. They live here, they know when trouble is brewing, and when to walk the other way. They know what should be said and what should not be said. They know their people, their culture, and their country. Two week millionaires dont, they come to Thailand, get drunk, get rude, get abusive, and act like stand over merchants to a group of people who would rather act in a peaceful way. It is us the falang who generally comes here and does wrong, it is not the Thai. 6 foot tall drunk baffoons coming in on a 30 day visa, and they think they own the place. Stay at home, yes you will be safer, because it is you who bring it all upon yourselves. Respect others, respect yourselves, and respect the fact that you have been allowed into Thailand as a visitor.

[Andrew65]

So, after they announced he was 86'd (that's an American restaurant industry term for banned, or taken off the menu) he refused to leave. So, instead of calling the police and having him trespassed, their security beats him up. The club owners should be permanently banned from operating nightclubs. Self-help evictions are not acceptable in the hospitality industry.

Remember though, the Pole might be one of these guys who turns into a major-league A-hole when he's got the drink in him, plenty of 'em around!!

Then again, maybe not.

(Seen on a T-shirt a while ago: "Instant A-Hole - Just add alcohol").

.

so you prefer any time when you druncan,

to get a iron bar over your head like this guy ??

Is it complementary in your country ??

No, I am not having a go at Polish people, or any other nationality.

Just that after 50 years of being a happy drunk, I know for sure that some guys are not that way when they have drink in them.

I would walk away from my brother if he was in such a state with drink, he knows that I would, I would never apologize.

Signed,

A happy drunk!

(Also, since my teens, someone who knows when I have had enough to drink, enough of vomiting down my nostrils at 14 years old)!

[peecee]

When security guards escort someone to the front door and evict them due to the state of their intoxication, they do not beat them to a pulp. When a patron becomes violent, or threatens violence, well who knows what may come their way. This could have been an each way bet. It may have been that either the security guards or the drunken patron were going to be injured in a physical confrontation. In this case it was the drunken tourist (Guest in Thailand) who came off second best. If you are at the point of intoxication where it is likely that you will become aggressive and or threaten harm to the hosts of your holiday destination, save it till you get home, or go home. No one wins by coming to Thailand and disrespecting the culture, brooding for a fight, or showing off your drinking skills. If asked to leave a premises, smile, walk on, walk out, and go back to your condo or hotel. Live to drink another day.

Culture, on walking street?

[Loptr]

So, after they announced he was 86'd (that's an American restaurant industry term for banned, or taken off the menu) he refused to leave. So, instead of calling the police and having him trespassed, their security beats him up. The club owners should be permanently banned from operating nightclubs. Self-help evictions are not acceptable in the hospitality industry.

Well, that didn't take long... It appears you (the high 'em high crowd - American vernacular for lynch mob) and at least 22 others believe the owner should be banned from running a bar in the future due to the actions of one employee... All I can say is get a grip, then get a life... Getting a clue might help also...

[petercool]

Stay civil please or have your posts removed.

[petercool]

A slur and rant post removed