I don't think we're racist

[robblok]

We are not racist, I have seldom see more racism as from members on this board. The remarks about Thais and other nationalities and about foreigners in our home country are ever present. I would have thought that living in a foreign country would help people sympathize with foreigners in your own home country.

I know it changed me, before i was more right, now for more understand. But i I guess that is lost on most people here because face it this forum is not frequented by the most bight people around.

Will probably get a lot flack for this.. but this is how i see it.

[h90]

"A lot of immigrants in western world complain that we're racist. Our laws welcome people in, grants them citizen ships, voting rights and all the entitlements that natives enjoy. However when we immigrate to say Asian countries such as Los we can never become one of them eg citizenship and the like. Our laws forbid racism but these countries don't. Just wondering what others think. "

Los you can get citizenship, no matter what race you are. Not granting people citizenship is not racist. We the western countries don't protect our culture. Letting in uneducated people or people with culture we don't want is plain stupid.

Thinking someone with different skin color is stupid is racist. To think that some religion/culture makes problems in our society isn't racist. There is no catholic, muslim, buddhist race.....

[robblok]

"A lot of immigrants in western world complain that we're racist. Our laws welcome people in, grants them citizen ships, voting rights and all the entitlements that natives enjoy. However when we immigrate to say Asian countries such as Los we can never become one of them eg citizenship and the like. Our laws forbid racism but these countries don't. Just wondering what others think. "

Los you can get citizenship, no matter what race you are. Not granting people citizenship is not racist. We the western countries don't protect our culture. Letting in uneducated people or people with culture we don't want is plain stupid.

Thinking someone with different skin color is stupid is racist. To think that some religion/culture makes problems in our society isn't racist. There is no catholic, muslim, buddhist race.....

And how are we different from foreigners in our own countries ? We don't have the same culture as the Thais.. and if you read this board we want to change things in Thailand for our good. To expect foreigners to completely assimilate in your home country while we as foreigners here in general retain our own culture is a bit hypocrite.

You even got foreigners here trying to convert Thais to Christianity, just imagine the uproar if Muslims would do the same standing on the streets trying to convert Christians back home.

Foreigners back home should respect the original inhabitants (often heard complaint) Anyone reading Thaivisa knows how much foreigners here respect Thais.

The only difference i see is an economic one we don't cost Thailand money.

I guess this argument goes over the head of many.. and many just don't want to see the parallels. <deleted>

Sure its not totally the same.. but just think about it a bit.

I of course am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants.. but I don't have much problems with those who work and build their own life without support of the state. They are in fact much the same as us living here.

[Asheron]

"A lot of immigrants in western world complain that we're racist. Our laws welcome people in, grants them citizen ships, voting rights and all the entitlements that natives enjoy. However when we immigrate to say Asian countries such as Los we can never become one of them eg citizenship and the like. Our laws forbid racism but these countries don't. Just wondering what others think. "

Los you can get citizenship, no matter what race you are. Not granting people citizenship is not racist. We the western countries don't protect our culture. Letting in uneducated people or people with culture we don't want is plain stupid.

Thinking someone with different skin color is stupid is racist. To think that some religion/culture makes problems in our society isn't racist. There is no catholic, muslim, buddhist race.....

And how are we different from foreigners in our own countries ? We don't have the same culture as the Thais.. and if you read this board we want to change things in Thailand for our good. To expect foreigners to completely assimilate in your home country while we as foreigners here in general retain our own culture is a bit hypocrite.

You even got foreigners here trying to convert Thais to Christianity, just imagine the uproar if Muslims would do the same standing on the streets trying to convert Christians back home.

Foreigners back home should respect the original inhabitants (often heard complaint) Anyone reading Thaivisa knows how much foreigners here respect Thais.

The only difference i see is an economic one we don't cost Thailand money.

I guess this argument goes over the head of many.. and many just don't want to see the parallels. <deleted>

Sure its not totally the same.. but just think about it a bit.

I of course am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants.. but I don't have much problems with those who work and build their own life without support of the state. They are in fact much the same as us living here.

Don't know what country you are from but in Sweden there are massive issues with immigration as on an average it takes 7-8 years for an immigrant to get a job. That's 7-8 years of being a *very* high cost for the taxpayers. In my eyes that is a huge problem with foreigners.

And what is the issue with foreigners wanting to change how things are "done" in Thailand? Surely you agree that corruption, nepotism, traffic, crime and RTP are "problems" in Thailand that should be dealt with?

[robblok]

"A lot of immigrants in western world complain that we're racist. Our laws welcome people in, grants them citizen ships, voting rights and all the entitlements that natives enjoy. However when we immigrate to say Asian countries such as Los we can never become one of them eg citizenship and the like. Our laws forbid racism but these countries don't. Just wondering what others think. "

Los you can get citizenship, no matter what race you are. Not granting people citizenship is not racist. We the western countries don't protect our culture. Letting in uneducated people or people with culture we don't want is plain stupid.

Thinking someone with different skin color is stupid is racist. To think that some religion/culture makes problems in our society isn't racist. There is no catholic, muslim, buddhist race.....

And how are we different from foreigners in our own countries ? We don't have the same culture as the Thais.. and if you read this board we want to change things in Thailand for our good. To expect foreigners to completely assimilate in your home country while we as foreigners here in general retain our own culture is a bit hypocrite.

You even got foreigners here trying to convert Thais to Christianity, just imagine the uproar if Muslims would do the same standing on the streets trying to convert Christians back home.

Foreigners back home should respect the original inhabitants (often heard complaint) Anyone reading Thaivisa knows how much foreigners here respect Thais.

The only difference i see is an economic one we don't cost Thailand money.

I guess this argument goes over the head of many.. and many just don't want to see the parallels. <deleted>

Sure its not totally the same.. but just think about it a bit.

I of course am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants.. but I don't have much problems with those who work and build their own life without support of the state. They are in fact much the same as us living here.

Don't know what country you are from but in Sweden there are massive issues with immigration as on an average it takes 7-8 years for an immigrant to get a job. That's 7-8 years of being a *very* high cost for the taxpayers. In my eyes that is a huge problem with foreigners.

And what is the issue with foreigners wanting to change how things are "done" in Thailand? Surely you agree that corruption, nepotism, traffic, crime and RTP are "problems" in Thailand that should be dealt with?

I said I am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants, but if they have a job I could not care less.

Of course I agree about corruption, nepotism, traffic, crime.. ect.. but this is something the Thais should solve.. and not foreigners. Its their land and their choices. But just imagine if immigrants want to change your land.

And tell me do you speak Thai fluid ? I believe we expect immigrants in our country to do so ?

Did you assimilate and become a Thai.. or did you keep your old Swedish values ? I think the latter (same here) then why expect immigrants in your home country to assimilate.

As I said.. on pure economics I am against immigrants but if they have a job.. i really don't care if they go to a Most eat halal food and stuff like that. Same as that I don't expect us here to turn into Thais.

[ExPratt]

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If you look at what we did for over 5 centuries , Slave Trade , Colonization , East India Company,Clive of India,Slaughter of aborigines, Opium War and much , much more, we shouldn't really cast stones at countries who may have been one of our previous victims in one way or another. We have laws like we do because of our past and to be honest most people are a bit racist

I didn't do any of that, and I suspect you didn't either.

So stop saying 'we' and speak for yourself.

Do you still blame the Italians for the Roman invasion of Europe?

Do you still blame current day Germans for what happened in WW2?

Do you still blame current Japanese for what happened in WW2?

Etc.

Speak for myself ? I did , I'm giving you my opinion of why the UK is so sensitive to suggestions of racism, because of our past history and exploitation of weaker nations.Some good came from the Empires but plenty of bad to.

[CharlieH]

Post removed.

No personal remarks/insults,

[sir charles IV]

I agree we've been too liberal about granting citizenship , allowing foreign companies purchase our asserts. To add insult to injury now we have first generation Europeans heading overseas to fight with those whose value is the exact opposite to the host nation. Classic example of biting the hand that feeds you.

[doggie888888]

I am Australian. Our racists usually bleat "we are not racist BUT...":D

[malt25]

I must be racist. I hate every bastard equally.

[NoshowJones]

Why should LOS grant easy citizenship.

I would not say it should be easy, but someone who is contributing to Thailands economy for so many years and has a Thai wife should be able to get Thai citizenship.

Also people who get citizenship of any country, should also be able to get it taken away from them in certain circumstances, ie only marrying to stay in that country.

[Asheron]

"A lot of immigrants in western world complain that we're racist. Our laws welcome people in, grants them citizen ships, voting rights and all the entitlements that natives enjoy. However when we immigrate to say Asian countries such as Los we can never become one of them eg citizenship and the like. Our laws forbid racism but these countries don't. Just wondering what others think. "

Los you can get citizenship, no matter what race you are. Not granting people citizenship is not racist. We the western countries don't protect our culture. Letting in uneducated people or people with culture we don't want is plain stupid.

Thinking someone with different skin color is stupid is racist. To think that some religion/culture makes problems in our society isn't racist. There is no catholic, muslim, buddhist race.....

And how are we different from foreigners in our own countries ? We don't have the same culture as the Thais.. and if you read this board we want to change things in Thailand for our good. To expect foreigners to completely assimilate in your home country while we as foreigners here in general retain our own culture is a bit hypocrite.

You even got foreigners here trying to convert Thais to Christianity, just imagine the uproar if Muslims would do the same standing on the streets trying to convert Christians back home.

Foreigners back home should respect the original inhabitants (often heard complaint) Anyone reading Thaivisa knows how much foreigners here respect Thais.

The only difference i see is an economic one we don't cost Thailand money.

I guess this argument goes over the head of many.. and many just don't want to see the parallels. <deleted>

Sure its not totally the same.. but just think about it a bit.

I of course am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants.. but I don't have much problems with those who work and build their own life without support of the state. They are in fact much the same as us living here.

Don't know what country you are from but in Sweden there are massive issues with immigration as on an average it takes 7-8 years for an immigrant to get a job. That's 7-8 years of being a *very* high cost for the taxpayers. In my eyes that is a huge problem with foreigners.

And what is the issue with foreigners wanting to change how things are "done" in Thailand? Surely you agree that corruption, nepotism, traffic, crime and RTP are "problems" in Thailand that should be dealt with?

I said I am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants, but if they have a job I could not care less.

Of course I agree about corruption, nepotism, traffic, crime.. ect.. but this is something the Thais should solve.. and not foreigners. Its their land and their choices. But just imagine if immigrants want to change your land.

And tell me do you speak Thai fluid ? I believe we expect immigrants in our country to do so ?

Did you assimilate and become a Thai.. or did you keep your old Swedish values ? I think the latter (same here) then why expect immigrants in your home country to assimilate.

As I said.. on pure economics I am against immigrants but if they have a job.. i really don't care if they go to a Most eat halal food and stuff like that. Same as that I don't expect us here to turn into Thais.

I didn't "become" a thai (i'm ethnic finnish, i can't be anything else but finnish) for the sole reason being that my culture/heritage is far superior to the thai culture/heritage. Now, if thai culture had anything that i truely viewed as something desirable i would in a heartbeat incorporate that value into my life but i can't honestly say that i have encountered such value after almost 15 years of connection to Thailand.

Western values and civilization are by far the most successful and best working societies yet to exist on this planet. How do i know this? Well, there is a reason why millions upon millions of people really want to get to EU, Australia and USA and no one wants to move to Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Afghanista, Iran, Saudiarabia, Yemen, Pakistan, India and so on for ~120 countries.

But to be fair... socialist bastions such as Sweden do have it's issues with "Big Brother" actually thinking they own you and your children.

[nemrut]

When Thailand becomes a rich, world power and relies on continued influx of immigrants for economic growth, you can bet they will adopt many of the same policies as your home country.

Until then it is still a poor, developing country with an infrastructure barely capable of supporting its own citizens let alone the hordes of farangs seeking a low cost alternative western lifestyle.

As for racism, it's in every country. Some more overtly so than others due to homogeneity and fewer immigrants. How racism manifests itself though is very different in US, Europe(an based) and Asia.

Verbal/physical abuse due to one's skin color or country of origin is almost unheard of in most Asian countries but occurs frequently in the US and European based countries (including Australia, S. Africa). There is plenty of documented violence against immigrants and non-white citizens in these countries not to mention the daily rudeness, hateful stares, poor service, disrespect, etc. many if not all minorities have to experience while living there. Just ask any 3rd-4th generation Asian in US/UK whether they feel integrated or still treated like an outsider.

So when you as farang complain about Thais, Thailand and any perceived racism, consider how well you have been treated in this country while not being subjected to verbal/physical harassment and worse that most minorities have to endure in your home country.

[MaeJoMTB]

Verbal/physical abuse due to one's skin color or country of origin is almost unheard of in most Asian countries

Wot, nobody call you farang, gaijun, laoWai in assorted Asian countries?

So when you as farang complain about Thais,

No wait, you just did it yourself!

Edited April 26, 2015 by MaeJoMTB

[h90]

"A lot of immigrants in western world complain that we're racist. Our laws welcome people in, grants them citizen ships, voting rights and all the entitlements that natives enjoy. However when we immigrate to say Asian countries such as Los we can never become one of them eg citizenship and the like. Our laws forbid racism but these countries don't. Just wondering what others think. "

Los you can get citizenship, no matter what race you are. Not granting people citizenship is not racist. We the western countries don't protect our culture. Letting in uneducated people or people with culture we don't want is plain stupid.

Thinking someone with different skin color is stupid is racist. To think that some religion/culture makes problems in our society isn't racist. There is no catholic, muslim, buddhist race.....

And how are we different from foreigners in our own countries ? We don't have the same culture as the Thais.. and if you read this board we want to change things in Thailand for our good. To expect foreigners to completely assimilate in your home country while we as foreigners here in general retain our own culture is a bit hypocrite.

You even got foreigners here trying to convert Thais to Christianity, just imagine the uproar if Muslims would do the same standing on the streets trying to convert Christians back home.

Foreigners back home should respect the original inhabitants (often heard complaint) Anyone reading Thaivisa knows how much foreigners here respect Thais.

The only difference i see is an economic one we don't cost Thailand money.

I guess this argument goes over the head of many.. and many just don't want to see the parallels. <deleted>

Sure its not totally the same.. but just think about it a bit.

I of course am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants.. but I don't have much problems with those who work and build their own life without support of the state. They are in fact much the same as us living here.

You don't see the differences.......There are no problems in Europe with Persian doctors, Vietnamese or Chinese who have their children educated far better than the average "original European". No problem with Indian majority, no problem with the lots of Thai women. Some assimilate, some keep their interesting culture. And not even the right wing parties complain about them.

The same is in Thailand, the German engineer, or Italian cook make any problems. Some Farangs without job living from their social security cause some minor problems, mostly because of silly talking. They usually have no problematic religion.They have money and they come to Thailand because over all the like Thailand.

(There are a minority of Christians that want to convert Buddhists in Thailand. There are problems but not big ones)

Different if someone comes to a country only for financial benefit, is complete uneducated and hates the culture and religion of the land. For such people I don't want that the are assimilated in Europe, I want they get kicked out.

[MaeJoMTB]

Different if someone comes to a country only for financial benefit, is complete uneducated and hates the culture and religion of the land. For such people I don't want that the are assimilated in Europe, I want they get kicked out.

Those are usually the people the western governments want.

They help drive wages down and keep the proletariat compliant.

[NoshowJones]

If you look at what we did for over 5 centuries , Slave Trade , Colonization , East India Company,Clive of India,Slaughter of aborigines, Opium War and much , much more, we shouldn't really cast stones at countries who may have been one of our previous victims in one way or another. We have laws like we do because of our past and to be honest most people are a bit racist

I didn't do any of that, and I suspect you didn't either.

So stop saying 'we' and speak for yourself.

Do you still blame the Italians for the Roman invasion of Europe?

Do you still blame current day Germans for what happened in WW2?

Do you still blame current Japanese for what happened in WW2?

Etc.

Yes, I blame and hold responsible for what they did all of the above.

I also blame and hold responsible for:

The exploitation and atrocities committed by European nations in their failed attempt to "colonize" most of the globe.

The atrocities committed by Christians in the crusades, the inquisition, and their attempt to exterminate all of those who they could not convert during Europe's colonization period.

I also blame and hold my home country responsible for all they did to Native Americans, their treatment of Japanese American citizens during WWII and countless other horrible acts they have committed.

Every nation and group has done things to be ashamed of and many are still doing them!

These things should never be forgotten or forgiven.

.

If we forget the past, we have not learned from it.

There are many different "We s" and 'Us s" in this world.

That is why I asked the OP to define "we" when he started this thread.

Look at the UK, they ruled two thirds of the world only a hundred years ago.

[Lucifer]

"A lot of immigrants in western world complain that we're racist. Our laws welcome people in, grants them citizen ships, voting rights and all the entitlements that natives enjoy. However when we immigrate to say Asian countries such as Los we can never become one of them eg citizenship and the like. Our laws forbid racism but these countries don't. Just wondering what others think. "

Los you can get citizenship, no matter what race you are. Not granting people citizenship is not racist. We the western countries don't protect our culture. Letting in uneducated people or people with culture we don't want is plain stupid.

Thinking someone with different skin color is stupid is racist. To think that some religion/culture makes problems in our society isn't racist. There is no catholic, muslim, buddhist race.....

And how are we different from foreigners in our own countries ? We don't have the same culture as the Thais.. and if you read this board we want to change things in Thailand for our good. To expect foreigners to completely assimilate in your home country while we as foreigners here in general retain our own culture is a bit hypocrite.

You even got foreigners here trying to convert Thais to Christianity, just imagine the uproar if Muslims would do the same standing on the streets trying to convert Christians back home.

Foreigners back home should respect the original inhabitants (often heard complaint) Anyone reading Thaivisa knows how much foreigners here respect Thais.

The only difference i see is an economic one we don't cost Thailand money.

I guess this argument goes over the head of many.. and many just don't want to see the parallels. <deleted>

Sure its not totally the same.. but just think about it a bit.

I of course am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants.. but I don't have much problems with those who work and build their own life without support of the state. They are in fact much the same as us living here.

Don't know what country you are from but in Sweden there are massive issues with immigration as on an average it takes 7-8 years for an immigrant to get a job. That's 7-8 years of being a *very* high cost for the taxpayers. In my eyes that is a huge problem with foreigners.

And what is the issue with foreigners wanting to change how things are "done" in Thailand? Surely you agree that corruption, nepotism, traffic, crime and RTP are "problems" in Thailand that should be dealt with?

Just goes to show how racist the Swedes are. Swedish companies not giving equal rights to a foreigner.

I'm boycotting Ikea now, and I won't be playing my ABBA albums.

[sir charles IV]

Is it fair to say that most foreigners calling Thailand home are an asset to Thailand? If so my argument is they should be recognized , if they want to, and be adopted by Thailand. Rather than be given a permanent "limbo" status. It's logical and reciprocal.

[MaeJoMTB]

Is it fair to say that most foreigners calling Thailand home are an asset to Thailand? If so my argument is they should be recognized , if they want to, and be adopted by Thailand. Rather than be given a permanent "limbo" status. It's logical and reciprocal.

I don't call Thailand home.

It's a place I'm temporarily living.

Home is the place that they have to let you in, whenever you want.

[wprime]

I think I may have confused race and nationality. I understand the difference. Loosely speaking people who don't accept people from other countries as their own are referred to "racist". The point I was interested in sharing was, let's stick to Thais, a Thai person can gain citizenship of most western countries but people from western countries cannot gain Thai citizenship. I found it interesting when someone here said women can.

It's far easier for a westerner to obtain Thai citizenship through their own merits than it is for a Thai person to gain Australian citizenship. I suspect most other western nations are similar.

Where things differ are through marriage, in Australia after a 1 year application, plus one year residency, a Thai person married to an Australian citizen can apply for citizenship, while in Thailand no such system exists.

So what you're trying to say is, in Thailand it's easier for foreigners to gain citizenship on their own merits, while in the west it's easier to get citizenship through marriage - therefore Thai people are racist.

[MaeJoMTB]

So what you're trying to say is, in Thailand it's easier for foreigners to gain citizenship on their own merits, while in the west it's easier to get citizenship through marriage - therefore Thai people are racist.

Citizenship through marriage is widely accepted as a basic human right.

Citizenship on merit, don't know, in Thailand it's citizenship by earning a lot of money in Thailand, which may not be the same thing.

Do you equate merit with earning money?

[Lucifer]

All developing Countries want to safeguard their land. That's why most of these countries will allow you to buy apartments but never land. And this, I suspect is the reason they don't want to give out citizenship willy nilly. Poorly paid factory workers, from the west, will buy up prime farming land all over Issan. All without "risk " of loosing it.

[doggie888888]

Is it fair to say that most foreigners calling Thailand home are an asset to Thailand? If so my argument is they should be recognized , if they want to, and be adopted by Thailand. Rather than be given a permanent "limbo" status. It's logical and reciprocal.

I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that most foreigners calling Thailand home are an asset to the country.

I have lived/worked in Singapore, Malaysia and China. Now in Thailand. Many expats here are truly in a different class altogether and asset is not the word I'd apply to them.

[SoiBiker]

Expats an 'asset to Thailand'?

Funniest thing I've heard all week.

[berybert]

Expats an 'asset to Thailand'?

Funniest thing I've heard all week.

So you think you are a hindrance to Thailand ?

[Asheron]

Expats an 'asset to Thailand'?

Funniest thing I've heard all week.

Of course they are as they cost the Thai state 0 baht for upkeep (if not convicted but then they just get sent back "home" after a few years in jail) and they have more money to use than the majority of the thai people.

[Asheron]

I think I may have confused race and nationality. I understand the difference. Loosely speaking people who don't accept people from other countries as their own are referred to "racist". The point I was interested in sharing was, let's stick to Thais, a Thai person can gain citizenship of most western countries but people from western countries cannot gain Thai citizenship. I found it interesting when someone here said women can.

It's far easier for a westerner to obtain Thai citizenship through their own merits than it is for a Thai person to gain Australian citizenship. I suspect most other western nations are similar.

Where things differ are through marriage, in Australia after a 1 year application, plus one year residency, a Thai person married to an Australian citizen can apply for citizenship, while in Thailand no such system exists.

So what you're trying to say is, in Thailand it's easier for foreigners to gain citizenship on their own merits, while in the west it's easier to get citizenship through marriage - therefore Thai people are racist.

What do you mean by "their own merit"?

Getting australian citizenship efter just two years is pretty damn nice. In Sweden it's 3 years married to a swedish citizen, 5 years if married to any other citizen. If you are already citizen of any nordic country (Iceland, Norway, Denmark or Finland) then you can get swedish citizenship after 2 years of residence.

[willyumiii]

"A lot of immigrants in western world complain that we're racist. Our laws welcome people in, grants them citizen ships, voting rights and all the entitlements that natives enjoy. However when we immigrate to say Asian countries such as Los we can never become one of them eg citizenship and the like. Our laws forbid racism but these countries don't. Just wondering what others think. "

Los you can get citizenship, no matter what race you are. Not granting people citizenship is not racist. We the western countries don't protect our culture. Letting in uneducated people or people with culture we don't want is plain stupid.

Thinking someone with different skin color is stupid is racist. To think that some religion/culture makes problems in our society isn't racist. There is no catholic, muslim, buddhist race.....

And how are we different from foreigners in our own countries ? We don't have the same culture as the Thais.. and if you read this board we want to change things in Thailand for our good. To expect foreigners to completely assimilate in your home country while we as foreigners here in general retain our own culture is a bit hypocrite.

You even got foreigners here trying to convert Thais to Christianity, just imagine the uproar if Muslims would do the same standing on the streets trying to convert Christians back home.

Foreigners back home should respect the original inhabitants (often heard complaint) Anyone reading Thaivisa knows how much foreigners here respect Thais.

The only difference i see is an economic one we don't cost Thailand money.

I guess this argument goes over the head of many.. and many just don't want to see the parallels. <deleted>

Sure its not totally the same.. but just think about it a bit.

I of course am not for loads and loads of freeloading immigrants.. but I don't have much problems with those who work and build their own life without support of the state. They are in fact much the same as us living here.

"Foreigners back home should respect the original inhabitants (often heard complaint)""

Yes, people "back home" will agree with this as long as they believe they are the "original inhabitants".

Look how well the foreigners from Europe, back home ( for me in America), respected the original inhabitants, the Native Americans, the ones the Europeans misnamed" Indians".

They respected them so much the almost wiped out the race.

And to my friends from Australia who's ancestors were foreigners who immigrated there from Europe, how well did they respect the "original inhabitants"??

Perspective, arrogance, and ego have a lot to do with this topic.

Let's try to mix in a little honesty too!

[benalibina]

Thailand for the Thais......they have it right.....aware and unaware of the consequences, they just do not care. Yet ?