Address Complication !- Renewing extension of stay retirement.

[mommysboy]

I went for my annual renewal of temporary stay based on retirement.

Last year I renewed in Bangkok, and 3 months later moved to Surat Thani. I reported the move to Surat Thani when I did my 90 day report, but they didn't take any notice.

Today I went to do my renewal, but was told that it wasn't enough just to write my new address on my application, as the householder (my wife) needed to notify the immigration office online, and they also want a map (google map will do)

The slip of paper reads:

House owners, heads of households, landlords, or mangers of hotels

According to Immigration Act BE 2552 section 38.

House owners, heads of households, landlords, or mangers of hotels where the alien receiving permission to stay has stayed must notify the official of the Immigration Office.

There is then an online address and a logo of the box to click.

I asked if there had been some misunderstanding as this is a simple retirement visa and not a marriage visa, but was told it was a new regulation.

Can anyone shed light on this latest exercise in futility?

[ubonjoe]

Many immigration offices are wanting that report now for all extensions.

I find it odd that they told you that your wife should do it online. That normally is only for businesses to do the reports.

Normally it is done by her completing a TM30 form. Download here: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/pdf/tm30.pdf

[mommysboy]

I am at the office again now. They insist a TM30 is not possible and it is a requirement to do online. But the website may be down.

I would just switch back to marriage visa but it seems I would face the same hurdle with the address.

[ubonjoe]

That must be a Surat Thani immigration website.

No other immigration office website that I know of allows an individual homeowner to do the report online.

[mommysboy]

Yes it us Surat. It is not a case of allow, they insist on it as a strict requirement.

[nzexpat]

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I am at the office again now. They insist a TM30 is not possible and it is a requirement to do online. But the website may be down.
I would just switch back to marriage visa but it seems I would face the same hurdle with the address.

Many will be pleased to learn of this requirement

Please post a link to the website that must used by everyone wishing to report a change of address in Surat Thani.

Thanks

[mommysboy]

I am not very good at links. The slip of paper I was given listed 2 websites. www.suratthani.immigration.go.th, as of an hour ago the website was not working on my 3bb connection, or my dtac mobile connection . The second website is www.immigration.go.th, which works for people in Bangkok, but the address field did not appear to support a Surat address. As already mentioned by mod, this is any case for businesses to use and not for private customers.

But they have now provided us with a printed form which appears to suffice. It is not a TM30 which they insist is no longer acceptable.

I can't help feeling I have fallen foul of an eccentric and rather strict local office.

(Hope the application goes smoothly tomorrow but feeling rather tense. 11 years over here, married, with a baby now, and no rights! far from it. the best there is a stamp that says extension of temporary visa!).

[evadgib]

Yes it us Surat. It is not a case of allow, they insist on it as a strict requirement.

I have no idea if this helps but it's a recent report at an office in the same district:

http://www.samuitimes.com/current-trends-at-samui-immigration-when-renewing-extensions-based-on-retirement/

[mommysboy]

Yes it us Surat. It is not a case of allow, they insist on it as a strict requirement.

I have no idea if this helps but it's a recent report at an office in the same district:

http://www.samuitimes.com/current-trends-at-samui-immigration-when-renewing-extensions-based-on-retirement/

Thanks, ah yes the google map, wouldn't you know it my printer has just packed up, but I dare say I can find and internet shop, and hopefuly a neat little arrow won't be beyond me.

In addition my wife has been asked to bring her id card.

I can't help feeling they have got mixed up with the requirements of a retirement visa, and marriage visa.

But all I can do is go along with it.

[lostoday]

You are correct I see nothing ironic in your posts. You are a new guy who got his first retirement visa a few months ago that is trying to act like an expert in every immigration thread. I think one immigration official at one office got confused between a marriage and retirement visa and anyone there should request to see his boss to get the problem straightened out. Can you imagine giving immigration maps to hotels? Check out this thread for more rumors. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/745051-immigration-confusion/

I am at the office again now. They insist a TM30 is not possible and it is a requirement to do online. But the website may be down.
I would just switch back to marriage visa but it seems I would face the same hurdle with the address.

Many will be pleased to learn of this requirement

Please post a link to the website that must used by everyone wishing to report a change of address in Surat Thani.

Thanks

Strikes me that someone is trying to start a new immigration requirement. If anyone can find a link that works to report on line I'd like to see it. But I'll bet you we will not ever see one. It would be simple to haul out your smart phone and show immigration that there is no such link.

[seedy]

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[mommysboy]

I think the upshot is that this is a policy aimed at business enterprises (or family) who have not registered a farang as staying at their residence.

Personally, I really didn't know a wife had to do such a report, thinking this was just something condos and hotels were required to do.

Certainly if anyone turns up in Surat and their landlord, wife, or manager has not been confirmed their stay online then they will not get their visa, and technically any family member can face a 2000 baht fine.

[Suradit69]

You are correct I see nothing ironic in your posts. You are a new guy who got his first retirement visa a few months ago that is trying to act like an expert in every immigration thread. I think one immigration official at one office got confused between a marriage and retirement visa and anyone there should request to see his boss to get the problem straightened out. Can you imagine giving immigration maps to hotels? Check out this thread for more rumors. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/745051-immigration-confusion/

I am at the office again now. They insist a TM30 is not possible and it is a requirement to do online. But the website may be down.

I would just switch back to marriage visa but it seems I would face the same hurdle with the address.

Many will be pleased to learn of this requirement

Please post a link to the website that must used by everyone wishing to report a change of address in Surat Thani.

Thanks

Strikes me that someone is trying to start a new immigration requirement. If anyone can find a link that works to report on line I'd like to see it. But I'll bet you we will not ever see one. It would be simple to haul out your smart phone and show immigration that there is no such link.

" I think one immigration official at one office got confused between a marriage and retirement visa "

As the O/P's thread heading correctly indicates, he is seeking an extension of stay, not a non-existent marriage or retirement visa.

[mommysboy]

To clarify, as far as I can tell this applies only to Surat Thani town, possibly to the islands.

And it seems to apply to any new visa application or extension, ie, tourist, marriage, or retirement. No mix up.

In short the person providing residence, must complete registration online to confirm you are staying at your address. There is no distinction between living in the wife's house, or staying at a big hotel.

A completed TM30 is not acceptable.

It has to be done online.

I was told strict regulations.

[DogNo1]

It would seem that if your wife is able to complete the registration online, you'll be good to go. Could anyone at immigration help your wife to complete the online procedures? She can probably do it using her phone. Certainly there must be some merciful person there who can walk you through it. Good luck.

[mommysboy]

It would seem that if your wife is able to complete the registration online, you'll be good to go. Could anyone at immigration help your wife to complete the online procedures? She can probably do it using her phone. Certainly there must be some merciful person there who can walk you through it. Good luck.

The online website does not work. You can't do this over the phone, or using the TM30. However we did walk away with some completed form. I assume they did this within their own internal network. If you push hard enough sure they relent. But it is an uncomfortable position.

And what about the silly map !, and my wife needing to show ID. You do fear if you see what I mean.

[DogNo1]

Yeah, it's a lot to require for a (simple) extension of stay for retirement!

[lostoday]

It would seem that if your wife is able to complete the registration online, you'll be good to go. Could anyone at immigration help your wife to complete the online procedures? She can probably do it using her phone. Certainly there must be some merciful person there who can walk you through it. Good luck.

The online website does not work. You can't do this over the phone, or using the TM30. However we did walk away with some completed form. I assume they did this within their own internal network. If you push hard enough sure they relent. But it is an uncomfortable position.

And what about the silly map !, and my wife needing to show ID. You do fear if you see what I mean.

They told you that you had to complete a form on line but the on line form did not work so how did you complete the form? Did they do it for you? Was everyone doing a retirement extension asked to do this or only you? What happens if you don't have a Thai wife? What form do they require from the hotel?

[mommysboy]

It would seem that if your wife is able to complete the registration online, you'll be good to go. Could anyone at immigration help your wife to complete the online procedures? She can probably do it using her phone. Certainly there must be some merciful person there who can walk you through it. Good luck.

The online website does not work. You can't do this over the phone, or using the TM30. However we did walk away with some completed form. I assume they did this within their own internal network. If you push hard enough sure they relent. But it is an uncomfortable position.

And what about the silly map !, and my wife needing to show ID. You do fear if you see what I mean.

They told you that you had to complete a form on line but the on line form did not work so how did you complete the form? Did they do it for you? Was everyone doing a retirement extension asked to do this or only you? What happens if you don't have a Thai wife? What form do they require from the hotel?

Yes in the end they accessed their own network and did it for us.

Well in theory, every hotel should be registering comings and goings on a daily basis, and every tourist in Surat should be on the data basis. I assume the website problem is only temporary. Ther person providing you residence, be it a hotel room or marital home, is required to provide the information.

[lostoday]

" I think one immigration official at one office got confused between a marriage and retirement visa "

As the O/P's thread heading correctly indicates, he is seeking an extension of stay, not a non-existent marriage or retirement visa.

The OP wrote, "I asked if there had been some misunderstanding as this is a simple retirement visa and not a marriage visa, but was told it was a new regulation."

I was responding to that statement. The OP knows what he meant and I know what he meant and you know what he meant.

[skeedary]

Does the wife/girlfriend have to register you as a house guest for compliance when you do your 90 day report. The above seems to relate to the annual extension to stay.

[lostoday]

I think this is a link for reporting residence. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/base.php

You click the first link and click another link on the bottom left 2nd up from google and you get the link below

http://extranet.immigration.go.th/pibics/loginfn.jsp

[mommysboy]

I have done a few 9 day reports, the last one a couple of weeks ago. No problem.

This seems to be a one off registration of address.

Common sense makes me think it is for longer term stayers. I can't think it is for tourist visa extensions, imagine the chaos.

[mommysboy]

I think this is a link for reporting residence. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/base.php

You click the first link and click another link on the bottom left 2nd up from google and you get the link below

http://extranet.immigration.go.th/pibics/loginfn.jsp

Yes we tried this, but it only seems to accept Bangkok addresses, and is in any case for business users.

[skeedary]

I have done a few 9 day reports, the last one a couple of weeks ago. No problem.

This seems to be a one off registration of address.

Common sense makes me think it is for longer term stayers. I can't think it is for tourist visa extensions, imagine the chaos.

I have a Non O Retirement extention so i am a long stayer but seems ok to post the TM47 in with the new address and copies that are required and get her soon to advise them of my staying with her.

[lostoday]

I think this is a link for reporting residence. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/base.php

You click the first link and click another link on the bottom left 2nd up from google and you get the link below

http://extranet.immigration.go.th/pibics/loginfn.jsp

Yes we tried this, but it only seems to accept Bangkok addresses, and is in any case for business users.

That's what I thought. Do you think the problems you had this year with the retirement extension had anything to do with the problems you had last year with the retirement extension?

[elviajero]

Does the wife/girlfriend have to register you as a house guest for compliance when you do your 90 day report. The above seems to relate to the annual extension to stay.

I have done a few 9 day reports, the last one a couple of weeks ago. No problem.

This seems to be a one off registration of address.

Common sense makes me think it is for longer term stayers. I can't think it is for tourist visa extensions, imagine the chaos.

The TM30 should be submitted by the "chief possessor of the house" which can be you or owner (wife/girlfriend) when you move in. It has nothing to do with 90 day reporting and wouldn't come up.

The problem experienced by the OP is because a TM30 wasn't submitted when he changed his address and moved in, and that fact has been realised due to the extension application. It seems immigration are tightening up on TM30 reporting.

Immigration insisting on it only being done online is ridiculous!

[elviajero]

And what about the silly map !, and my wife needing to show ID. You do fear if you see what I mean.

If you can't print one then just draw a map showing your house from the nearest main road.

[mommysboy]

I have done a few 9 day reports, the last one a couple of weeks ago. No problem.

This seems to be a one off registration of address.

Common sense makes me think it is for longer term stayers. I can't think it is for tourist visa extensions, imagine the chaos.

I have a Non O Retirement extention so i am a long stayer but seems ok to post the TM47 in with the new address and copies that are required and get her soon to advise them of my staying with her.

Are you in Surat?

[mommysboy]

Does the wife/girlfriend have to register you as a house guest for compliance when you do your 90 day report. The above seems to relate to the annual extension to stay.

I have done a few 9 day reports, the last one a couple of weeks ago. No problem.

This seems to be a one off registration of address.

Common sense makes me think it is for longer term stayers. I can't think it is for tourist visa extensions, imagine the chaos.

The TM30 should be submitted by the "chief possessor of the house" which can be you or owner (wife/girlfriend) when you move in. It has nothing to do with 90 day reporting and wouldn't come up.

The problem experienced by the OP is because a TM30 wasn't submitted when he changed his address and moved in, and that fact has been realised due to the extension application. It seems immigration are tightening up on TM30 reporting.

Immigration insisting on it only being done online is ridiculous!

My wife came with me a few months ago because we thought it was necessary to report new address. We were told not to worry, and report it when the visa came up for renewal. It seemed odd to me.

As I mentioned, the TM30 is not acceptable. Lord knows why!