Thai Govt surveying two isles for detention of migrants

[SOTIRIOS]

...so sad...

..there people were lures...duped...

..gonna need a mighty big carpet to 'sweep them under'...

...always focus blame on the victims....never the perpetrators.....

....(then we ask why there are so many homeless foreigners too)....

..talk about 'denial'.....

Edited May 15, 2015 by SOTIRIOS

[steven100]

Will they be able to do their 90 reporting from an island?

Only if there is an immigration office in that region. They will still have to take a number from the machine and be seated.

They could however submit their report online if they have True internet.

[steven100]

Muslim boat people that nobody wants.....Going to get there own island. Food and medical supplies.Have a high population growth....I would think ten to twenty years down the road the will have had a more than fair chance at radicalization and time to fine hone explosive manufacturing. They will be able to help out in the Thai south as well.

good point .... could be a recipe for radicalisation. In thats the case then Malaysia or Indonesia should be forced to accept them and not a Buddhist country.

[Lee4Life]

For a start.

No way MR PM do not put them on islands in National Parks they will destroy the islands and the surrounding sea.

Right now, something does have to be done but it is not an easy problem to resolve. As we see from previous reports a fair proportion of these people, while they are victims of the traffickers, did get on these boats voluntarily looking for better economic conditions, work, jobs, a better chance at life.

That makes them economic migrants rather than refugees and there is a difference.

Fair enough if they are real refugees treat them as such under international convention but if they are just here looking for a better life then why treat them any different to someone from Lao or Cambodia who has come here looking for a job.

An additional problem with these people is their adherence to the so called religion of peace which has been stigmatized by some and has now tainted all its adherents to the extent that there will always be suspicion that their presence will either cause problems or increase those the country already has.

That one of course doesn't apply to the countries to the south of TL.

It is so easy for people who have never lived in conditions such as these migrants to say such things as "these people get on these boats voluntarily"! Somewhere in your past there was probably an ancestor who did something very similar. And then you go on to turn it into a rant against religions, who are you? Are you one of the boat captains that profits from the plight of these poor people? Or are you one of their persecutors who forced them from the only place they called home? From your statements it's obvious that you could very well be one or the other.

Trees and grass will grow back, garbage can be cleaned up, fish can reproduce....but these are human lives you are talking about. I pray someone has more compassion for you should things not go well for you than you have for others.

[h90]

For a start.

No way MR PM do not put them on islands in National Parks they will destroy the islands and the surrounding sea.

Right now, something does have to be done but it is not an easy problem to resolve. As we see from previous reports a fair proportion of these people, while they are victims of the traffickers, did get on these boats voluntarily looking for better economic conditions, work, jobs, a better chance at life.

That makes them economic migrants rather than refugees and there is a difference.

Fair enough if they are real refugees treat them as such under international convention but if they are just here looking for a better life then why treat them any different to someone from Lao or Cambodia who has come here looking for a job.

An additional problem with these people is their adherence to the so called religion of peace which has been stigmatized by some and has now tainted all its adherents to the extent that there will always be suspicion that their presence will either cause problems or increase those the country already has.

That one of course doesn't apply to the countries to the south of TL.

You can think about the fact that Malaysia (which has the Sharia law) don't want them, and they don't want any teacher from Saudi Arabia......

Common sense tells if they don't take them, it has a reason.....

[lynnnayko]

"Even Aung San Suu Kyi, the Nobel Peace Prize-winning democracy champion, has failed to come to their defense, with critics saying she is reluctant to alienate her supporters among the Buddhist majority."

- yahoo news (today)

Even she is disowning them now..? What chance have they got in Myanmar?

Myanmar is not disowning them, in fact, they have never belonged to Myanmar in first place. They are from Bangladesh, where they have serious population issues.

Beside, if they are political victims, why not just run back into Bangladesh where they speak the same language. Why sailing all the way to Malaysia and Indonesia??

I am really feeling sorry for them though since nobody's wanting them.

Edited May 15, 2015 by lynnnayko

[50baht]

send them back to Ireland

[NCC1701A]

they will build mosques first and start with the kill all the infidels BS like they always do. Extremely sick and dangerous people who need to be deprogrammed from their cult. Give them some water and a bag of rice and tow their boat OUT OF HERE. It is disgusting what they have done to Thailand.

[lynnnayko]

Send them to rich MIddle Eastern countries.

Edited May 15, 2015 by lynnnayko

[Ulic]

Just take them on to Malaysia where they are headed to and will eventually get to anyway.

[kannot]

Tell him to send me two Rohingyas as I cant get staff the local Thais are bone idle I could give two of them a darned good life and be happy to do so.

[lynnnayko]

Or are there any vacant islands in the international water????

[crankshaft]

If you don't send them back and also toss the boat crew in jail for years, they will not stop coming.

[steven100]

write a cheque for 35 mill and Cambodia will take them ....

[simple1]

"Even Aung San Suu Kyi, the Nobel Peace Prize-winning democracy champion, has failed to come to their defense, with critics saying she is reluctant to alienate her supporters among the Buddhist majority."

- yahoo news (today)

Even she is disowning them now..? What chance have they got in Myanmar?

Myanmar is not disowning them, in fact, they have never belonged to Myanmar in first place. They are from Bangladesh, where they have serious population issues.

Beside, if they are political victims, why not just run back into Bangladesh where they speak the same language. Why sailing all the way to Malaysia and Indonesia??

I am really feeling sorry for them though since nobody's wanting them.

Rohingya have their own unique language. It is illegal for Rohingya to enter Bangladesh, if they do manage to do so they are held in detention camps with no hope of release / integration with Bangladeshi society.

If you or others would like to gain an understanding of the oppression Rohingya face in Myanmar download a report from http://www.fortifyrights.org/downloads/Policies_of_Persecution_Feb_25_Fortify_Rights.pdf

A brief summary is available at:

http://www.fortifyrights.org/publication-20140225.html

[fareastguy]

Now that the lid has been "blown off" the migrant scam & the chances of an earner out of the window for now I see migrants are being towed back out to sea & encouraged to paddle a bit further south...
Any that make landfall in Thailand are being arrested & fined instead of being held to ransom as before...

Thailand say's it's in the middle of this mess !!

The only middle it was or is in was the "middle-man" business !!!!

[mango66]

But with 100.000 ens of illegal labour workers already in Thailand,

working in factories, farms, resorts - traeted like animals -

they have no problems !!

But Rohinyas and other now will be putted on desert ilands with no where to go -

where they will do their toilet and shit ?

right in the national park !!

This is Thailand, want to be a hub of - what ??

Hub of treating farongs as animals and shit !

[mango66]

Tell him to send me two Rohingyas as I cant get staff the local Thais are bone idle I could give two of them a darned good life and be happy to do so.

good idea from you,

sure they would have a will to work for money ,

and not just cheat you for money which we encounter every day here in this fine country of Th;

[Halion]

Truly this is indeed a global phenomenon however, in the case facing Thailand, I hear all the rhetoric from local and world leaders along with NGO's as to what has to be done to protect these people who fall into 2 categories of economic migrants and persecuted refuges.

The majority are from Burma which is a country in a state of hopeful

transition from the old military junta's to a more democratic administration and currently receiving significant economic and administrative aid.

If we truly are acting on altruistic and humanitarian grounds then stop this problem at source. Slap every embargo and sanction on the Burmese government and tell them to sort out this mess.

Boat loads of refugees are arriving off the coast of other countries and making them the bad guys.

I would bill the Burmese government for every single cent that was incurred but way of looking after these refugees. I would have the world media highlight on the cause instead of the effect.

Thailand and all other country's involved should make it clear to the Burmese that it is their problem and if they are not prepare to rectify the cause then they should be made pay for the effect through their nose until the bleed.

[Linzz]

I have previously said .. the only solution to the refugee problem is allow and make 3-4 islands in the Indian ocean become there permanent home. Build cabins, water treatment plants, power, roads, transport.

Have them work to establish a viable community with the long term goal of self sufficiency. They can grow there own food, farm there own animals, fish & whatever else is needed to feed them.

Each country puts in say 2% of their GDP to funds this project for the first two years and then after that it stops and they have to become self sufficient.

After 2 years you would have viable communities living and supporting themselves.

This is the way to go imo.....

OK After providing for their basic needs and they become independent and self sufficient are they then allowed to integrate and become useful and contributing members of Thai society or do they have to be live in a permanent apartheid system imprisoned on tiny islands with no real future for their children?

[Linzz]

they will build mosques first and start with the kill all the infidels BS like they always do. Extremely sick and dangerous people who need to be deprogrammed from their cult. Give them some water and a bag of rice and tow their boat OUT OF HERE. It is disgusting what they have done to Thailand.

Most are not risking their necks getting on a leaky boat to find a better job, Most are fleeing terror and persecution and have no where to go.

Who really is sick and dangerous and who needs deprogramming? This poster right here with his bitter paranoid and xenophobic hate speech!

Sir, you are the mirror image of and no better than the extreme Muslims you despise......

[tonbridgebrit]

Can't help but feel it would be a different scenario if these migrants weren't mostly Muslims.

There are already conflictions, tensions and violence between the Buddhists and Muslims in the south of Thailand.

These decisions are being made on a religious belief basis in my opinion.

I think Thailand's problem with these people is not so much that they are Muslims (their religion), it's more to do with these people not looking 'oriental' enough.

Thailand is actually a slightly racist place, they accept the oriental types (that's Chinese, or those with eyes that are slitty) rather than Asians who are not so oriental. Yes, it's to do with the eyes, the shape of the eyes define whether the person is Chinese (oriental) or not.

Look at the Thais themselves. Notice how the bulk of the rich ones look the same as Chinese, whilst most of the poorer ones look less Chinese. Look at Thai magazines and television, notice that the women that are portrayed as beautiful look more Chinese than the others.

Look at the boat people trying to get in, these people look nothing like Chinese people. I think Thailand feels that it's got enough illegal immigrants working here already. They don't want any more, they know that accepting this latest wave will trigger more waves of these people. Thailand shouldn't have accepted the intial groups (they first came here years ago), but Thailand kept them here as illegal workers because they are cheap or slave labour.

[Lancashireman]

I have previously said .. the only solution to the refugee problem is allow and make 3-4 islands in the Indian ocean become there permanent home. Build cabins, water treatment plants, power, roads, transport.

Have them work to establish a viable community with the long term goal of self sufficiency. They can grow there own food, farm there own animals, fish & whatever else is needed to feed them.

Each country puts in say 2% of their GDP to funds this project for the first two years and then after that it stops and they have to become self sufficient.

After 2 years you would have viable communities living and supporting themselves.

This is the way to go imo.....

So long as it's not your island, eh!

[steven100]

These people are muslims from Myanmar and muslims from Bangladesh. They are not Saudi muslims therefore Saudi would certainly not take them. They are not even Asian oriental ... they are more Bangla / Indian muslim looking than even thai muslims in the South.

This is why they are not wanted, because they not asian oriental.

[steven100]

they will build mosques first and start with the kill all the infidels BS like they always do. Extremely sick and dangerous people who need to be deprogrammed from their cult. Give them some water and a bag of rice and tow their boat OUT OF HERE. It is disgusting what they have done to Thailand.

Most are not risking their necks getting on a leaky boat to find a better job, Most are fleeing terror and persecution and have no where to go.

Who really is sick and dangerous and who needs deprogramming? This poster right here with his bitter paranoid and xenophobic hate speech!

Sir, you are the mirror image of and no better than the extreme Muslims you despise......

you are wrong. you don't know the complete story and as most here are not aware of the facts. I know what some of these people are capable of, I have been to their villages and seen what goes on.

Some of these are radical muslims and they will burn down your Buddhist house or your Christian house. I am not saying that all of them are as some choose not to do the same, but there are those who will.

Fighting has been going on between these group for years & years ... so please don't try to say they they are not all dangerous.

It was a similar scenario with the Afghanistan, Sri Lankans & Pakistan illegal boat people trying to get to Australia in the last 5 years, folks like you see people in a leaky boat and you all bleat ! oh poor souls, poor families ... bla .. bla .. bla .., but you don't know all the facts, some are extremists and dangerous. They pay $10,000 to a smuggler to get them to a wealthier country so they can seek refuge and benefits.

[mjakob007]

'Human Rights Watch (HRW) has called on Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia to stop pushing back boats carrying Rohingya and Bangladeshi migrants and asylum seekers, and bring them ashore and provide desperately needed aid.'

yeah sure boss ... we won't push them back .....

How is this different from african migrants trying to get into southern europe?

[2fishin2]

'Human Rights Watch (HRW) has called on Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia to stop pushing back boats carrying Rohingya and Bangladeshi migrants and asylum seekers, and bring them ashore and provide desperately needed aid.'

yeah sure boss ... we won't push them back .....

How is this different from african migrants trying to get into southern europe?

First off this is SE Asia and this thread is about here not there. Second this is about one of the most persecuted group of people in the world. Go and read some history and educate yourself. Google will tell you the whole story.

[laolover88]

If the British and the French had actually improved the places they colonised, rather than stealing everything most of this would not have happened!

Edited May 15, 2015 by laolover88

[DavisH]

export them to muslim countries, it are there brothers after all

Even Indonesia doesn't want them! Very sad situation.

[Travelman868]

I have previously said .. the only solution to the refugee problem is allow and make 3-4 islands in the Indian ocean become there permanent home. Build cabins, water treatment plants, power, roads, transport.

Have them work to establish a viable community with the long term goal of self sufficiency. They can grow there own food, farm there own animals, fish & whatever else is needed to feed them.

Each country puts in say 2% of their GDP to funds this project for the first two years and then after that it stops and they have to become self sufficient.

After 2 years you would have viable communities living and supporting themselves.

This is the way to go imo.....

Steven, I hear your words however the problem with the hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees is the situation is of their own making. Have a think about where most of the worlds conflicts are. 90% are related to Muslims either fighting one another or Muslims trying to kill as many infidels as they can.

THEN when they need help who do they turn to, of course the infidels. Once we have helped them, fed them, clothed them and housed them, they then set about trying to kill us once again. I'm not stupid enough to believe that they are all killers BUT the one's that are not are usually prepared to defend these killers.

Have a look at which countries are producing most of the refugee's, yep they are mainly Muslim countries. Most are not poor but the rulers are not prepared to help their own people and if they are not going to help, why should we.

Why are these boats coming to Thailand ?? They have to pass Malaysia on the way, a Muslim country !!!! makes no sense. As to your idea of giving them a couple of Islands there is already a place like that called Indonesia.