Pope calls Palestinian leader "angel of peace" during visit

[Jingthing]

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[sdanielmcev]

Seems it was actually 'messenger of peace.' Not 'angel of peace'.

Edited May 19, 2015 by sdanielmcev

[Ulysses G.]

More like the best of some VERY bad choices.

[ggold]

OK, peoples, hold onto your hats, because there is a LOST IN TRANSLATION issue with Papa Frank's comment. It appears Papa Frank did not actually call Abbas an Angel of Peace, which of course he is not, and it would reflect poorly on Papa Frank to make such an idiotic pronouncement.

It appears INSTEAD that what Papa Frank actually said was that Abbas COULD BE an Angel of Peace, which is massively more reasonable thing to say. Yes, Abbas has some power to do more to bring peace and currently and in the past he has NOT been this kind of angel (instead he has instigated and rewarded so much terrorist violence and so much Judeophobia).

So in that context, Papa Frank has encouraged Abbas to be better man, and Catholic or not, I can get beyond that and express that hope to Netanyahu as well.

instead he has instigated and rewarded so much terrorist violence and so much Judeophobia).

Can you give me examples of this with credible links please?

http://www.ibtimes.com/salaries-suicide-bombers-western-states-unwittingly-fund-terrorist-activities-palestine-says-report

Unfortunately, much of this funding may be used for the promotion of something dramatically different from peace. According to new report out on Thursday from the Israeli-based research institute Palestinian Media Watch, 2.5 percent of the Palestinian Authority's monthly budget is eaten up by salaries for prisoners sitting in Israeli jails, many of whom are convicted of plotting or carrying out terrorist attacks. That 2.5 percent amounts to about $5 million every month that is paid as a salary to these men, not, the report emphasized, as welfare or social assistance to the men’s families.

The word used in the original Arabic articles that the report quotes is "ratib" (راتيب), a word defined in the standard Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Arabic as "salary, pay, emolument." The Arabic words for welfare, "kheer" (خير), and assistance, "ah'un," (عون) are completely different, unrelated words.

The report quotes excerpts from the Palestinian paper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida that reveal, “The average prisoner salary is 3,129 shekels ($850)” per month, an amount that is much higher than the monthly salary of a Palestinian civil servant (2,882 shekels, $783), and Palestinian military personnel (2,704 shekels, $734).

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Before anyone criticises the validity of the link. Please supply a link the refutes these claims.

Edited May 19, 2015 by ggold

[dexterm]

OK, peoples, hold onto your hats, because there is a LOST IN TRANSLATION issue with Papa Frank's comment. It appears Papa Frank did not actually call Abbas an Angel of Peace, which of course he is not, and it would reflect poorly on Papa Frank to make such an idiotic pronouncement.

It appears INSTEAD that what Papa Frank actually said was that Abbas COULD BE an Angel of Peace, which is massively more reasonable thing to say. Yes, Abbas has some power to do more to bring peace and currently and in the past he has NOT been this kind of angel (instead he has instigated and rewarded so much terrorist violence and so much Judeophobia).

So in that context, Papa Frank has encouraged Abbas to be better man, and Catholic or not, I can get beyond that and express that hope to Netanyahu as well.

instead he has instigated and rewarded so much terrorist violence and so much Judeophobia).

Can you give me examples of this with credible links please?

http://www.ibtimes.com/salaries-suicide-bombers-western-states-unwittingly-fund-terrorist-activities-palestine-says-report

Unfortunately, much of this funding may be used for the promotion of something dramatically different from peace. According to new report out on Thursday from the Israeli-based research institute Palestinian Media Watch, 2.5 percent of the Palestinian Authority's monthly budget is eaten up by salaries for prisoners sitting in Israeli jails, many of whom are convicted of plotting or carrying out terrorist attacks. That 2.5 percent amounts to about $5 million every month that is paid as a salary to these men, not, the report emphasized, as welfare or social assistance to the men’s families.

The word used in the original Arabic articles that the report quotes is "ratib" (راتيب), a word defined in the standard Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Arabic as "salary, pay, emolument." The Arabic words for welfare, "kheer" (خير), and assistance, "ah'un," (عون) are completely different, unrelated words.

The report quotes excerpts from the Palestinian paper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida that reveal, “The average prisoner salary is 3,129 shekels ($850)” per month, an amount that is much higher than the monthly salary of a Palestinian civil servant (2,882 shekels, $783), and Palestinian military personnel (2,704 shekels, $734).

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Before anyone criticises the validity of the link. Please supply a link the refutes these claims.

Quite honorable of the PA to help the families of the victims of Israeli persecution I say.

Perhaps Israel should consider releasing 1000s of Palestinian political prisoners including children. It's very easy for a military court to imprison people without charge or due process and to put a label on them. Don't forget its the Israelis who are invading Palestinian land. Palestinians are simply resisting.

Bush, Obama and Kerry do not appear to view Abbas in the same demonized light. In fact they have invited him to the White House several times and consider him a worthy representative in peace talks.

Maybe Netanyahu should do the same while he still has such a responsive partner in peace. He's 80 now and may not always be around.

Edited May 19, 2015 by dexterm

[dexterm]

That is Mahmoud Abbas is 80 years old now. Not Netanyahu. A slip of the pronoun.