Thai govt seeks to extradite lese majeste suspect from New Zealand

[glenmohr]

Moving on, there is another matter the Thais may not grasp.

Let us presume they pursue more strongly with topics such as terrorism or inciting to riot or similar.

The judge in NZ will then consider what the penalties are in the applicant country. I am not aware of a precedent where NZ would repatriate into a country that has capital punishment for the particular crime.

LM won't cut it but neither will a more serious case which may carry the death penalty.

[lostoday]

Moving on, there is another matter the Thais may not grasp.

Let us presume they pursue more strongly with topics such as terrorism or inciting to riot or similar.

The judge in NZ will then consider what the penalties are in the applicant country. I am not aware of a precedent where NZ would repatriate into a country that has capital punishment for the particular crime.

LM won't cut it but neither will a more serious case which may carry the death penalty.

You really don't want to google average time in prison for murder as opposed to ......... more serious stuff like text messages.

[jayboy]

To try and illustrate Jay Boy's post:

Mr Ekapob is likely to be:

1) A real little prick.

2). An eternal trouble maker.

3) A probable communist.

4) Related by marriage to a now disgraced former member of the Royal Family.

All of the above are against Thai Laws with particular reference to LM.

None of the above are against NZ Law.

None of the above is relevant. We have

5. an (alleged) agitator who during a public speech said --blanked on purpose-- and --blanked on purpose--

Now we are not allowed to repeat here what he said, but the Thai administration can tell their NZ counterparts and explain why it's against Thai laws what was said in public. The NZ administration can take it from there.

Of course, with a few posters so adamant in declaring nothing was said that was really wrong and the NZ Government wouldn't do anything anyway, one may wonder what was really said. The level of verbal nonsense suggests some really damning statements.

Nobody has speculated what was said except you.But you have been told repeatedly that it doesn't matter from the point of view of the NZ reaction what was said.Yet you fantasise irrelevantly about Thai officials explaining to NZ officials the damning nature of the content which confirms you are unable to grasp the nature of the issue.As already patiently explained to you if an extraditable offence has been committed then the Thai authorities could make an application under a separate heading.But LM won't cut it.

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In the scenario you mention the New Zealanders would ask as a condition for extradition for an assurance that the death penalty would not be implemented.I'm sure the Thais would be able to give this.

[glenmohr]

Ekapob was granted refugee status by the United Nations Refugee agency who weighed up the threats to his life. Following receipt of the status he was resettled in New Zealand as part of NZ's refugee undertakings. Since being in NZ, and according to the nation's largest daily newspaper, he has engaged in "Youthful indiscretions which should not have any bearing on his future in the country"

Seems he is not a very nice young person but no court in NZ would ever consider that aspect as having any relevance. But if he continues with his youthful indiscretions he may come to wish he had been taken in somewhere else.

[rubl]

To try and illustrate Jay Boy's post:

Mr Ekapob is likely to be:

1) A real little prick.

2). An eternal trouble maker.

3) A probable communist.

4) Related by marriage to a now disgraced former member of the Royal Family.

All of the above are against Thai Laws with particular reference to LM.

None of the above are against NZ Law.

None of the above is relevant. We have

5. an (alleged) agitator who during a public speech said --blanked on purpose-- and --blanked on purpose--

Now we are not allowed to repeat here what he said, but the Thai administration can tell their NZ counterparts and explain why it's against Thai laws what was said in public. The NZ administration can take it from there.

Of course, with a few posters so adamant in declaring nothing was said that was really wrong and the NZ Government wouldn't do anything anyway, one may wonder what was really said. The level of verbal nonsense suggests some really damning statements.

Nobody has speculated what was said except you.But you have been told repeatedly that it doesn't matter from the point of view of the NZ reaction what was said.Yet you fantasise irrelevantly about Thai officials explaining to NZ officials the damning nature of the content which confirms you are unable to grasp the nature of the issue.As already patiently explained to you if an extraditable offence has been committed then the Thai authorities could make an application under a separate heading.But LM won't cut it.

Correct, I've been told a few times by posters here that it doesn't matter. Now that makes me curious.

[rubl]

Ekapob was granted refugee status by the United Nations Refugee agency who weighed up the threats to his life. Following receipt of the status he was resettled in New Zealand as part of NZ's refugee undertakings. Since being in NZ, and according to the nation's largest daily newspaper, he has engaged in "Youthful indiscretions which should not have any bearing on his future in the country"

Seems he is not a very nice young person but no court in NZ would ever consider that aspect as having any relevance. But if he continues with his youthful indiscretions he may come to wish he had been taken in somewhere else.

That seems to sum things up.

An older article, from January this year. I read it and don't think there's anything in there which might be deemed against forum rules or Thai law. If you stop hearing from me, start praying and save your own souls. It'll be too late for me

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11383297

[djjamie]

At the end of the day if what he said was said by an Englishman in England he would be arrested for defamation.

The only difference is the 7%er's use it as an excuse to break the law. They have an excuse to break every law so this is no different.

[lostoday]

At the end of the day if what he said was said by an Englishman in England he would be arrested for defamation.

The only difference is the 7%er's use it as an excuse to break the law. They have an excuse to break every law so this is no different.

May be true but what about a civilized country like Ireland?

[djjamie]

At the end of the day if what he said was said by an Englishman in England he would be arrested for defamation.

The only difference is the 7%er's use it as an excuse to break the law. They have an excuse to break every law so this is no different.

May be true but what about a civilized country like Ireland?

Didn't know they had a king?

[whatawonderfulday]

And I always thought that the Thai government officials had their heads so far up their backsides they could not see light from day. I was wrong, the current crop of loonies have their heads so far up they should by now see daylight !!!

Edited June 19, 2015 by whatawonderfulday

[glenmohr]

The Irish have got St Patrick and Bono, that is near enough. Who said dat , take that you idiot, mind me hat will yer.

But we are all dying to learn Jamie what you know about what he actually said. Translated into English of course. Then we can judge whether it is defamation in English law.

[baboon]

The Irish have got St Patrick and Bono, that is near enough. Who said dat , take that you idiot, mind me hat will yer.

But we are all dying to learn Jamie what you know about what he actually said. Translated into English of course. Then we can judge whether it is defamation in English law.

Yeah. When He'll freezes over, mate...

[lostoday]

At the end of the day if what he said was said by an Englishman in England he would be arrested for defamation.

The only difference is the 7%er's use it as an excuse to break the law. They have an excuse to break every law so this is no different.

May be true but what about a civilized country like Ireland?

Didn't know they had a king?

Dey do. I taught everybody knew dat.

[djjamie]

At the end of the day if what he said was said by an Englishman in England he would be arrested for defamation.

The only difference is the 7%er's use it as an excuse to break the law. They have an excuse to break every law so this is no different.

May be true but what about a civilized country like Ireland?

Didn't know they had a king?

Dey do. I taught everybody knew dat.

See baboon....We can all get along without red shirt violence permitting the atmosphere.

A lesson for all of us...

[Dumbastheycome]

There is no way New Zealand is going to let themselves be bullied by an illegal military junta into handing over a person accused of this outdated, oppressive and ludicrous law. NZ is a civilized democracy that believes in free speech and justice, Thailand is anything but.

Yup yup. Noo Zulland. Where yuz can say whatever ya likes Bro...so long as it is never about females or maori. But thems can say whatevr the f they likes about yooz ! Right Bro? Real civil eyesd Bro ! Yeah ! Right!

[cookee68]

They wont send them back from new Zealand, especially if they give up their Thai citizenship, Thailand can hope, and that is about it, I think some countries should lighten up a bit

[rubl]

Although it seems unlikely that New Zealand would accept an extradite request, there may still be hope for PM Prayut to have the young rascal muzzled somewhat. Prayut only needs to accuse the youngest of causing him serious emotional distress (and who here wouldn't believe that, seeing all the comments made ), and the NZ Regime will start to talk to the miscreant.

"The bill creates a regime under which digital communications causing “serious emotional distress” are subject to an escalating regime that starts as “negotiation, mediation or persuasion” but reaches up to creating the offences of not complying with an order, and “causing harm by posting digital communication”."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/01/nz_swings_banhammer_at_trolls/