ICAO red-flags Thailand

[Anthony5]

Another one add to Prayuth's list of achievements

Edited June 18, 2015 by Anthony5

[dru2]

Another one add to Prayuth's list of achievements

You are a tiresome, predictable and boring person.

This cannot be laid at the door of Prayuth, nor Yingluck, nor Thaksin.

It's an endemic national problem.

[Anthony5]

Another one add to Prayuth's list of achievements

You are a tiresome, predictable and boring person.

This cannot be laid at the door of Prayuth, nor Yingluck, nor Thaksin.

It's an endemic national problem.

Didn't Prayuth say he would use article 44 to solve the issue before the deadline, that has now passed?

Talking about some boring people...............

[JOC]

Even when caught with their pants down, they can't help themselves. Lying is as natural as breathing to some Thais!!

This was in the news yesterday:

In regard to ICAO’s issuance of a significant safety concern (SSC) against Thai aviation, ACM Prajin disclosed that Deputy Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith has traveled to meet with the President of ICAO to discuss the matter. He said the President was satisfied with the corrective action plan presented by Mr Arkhom.

As a result, no additional measures will be taken against Thailand when the 90-day deadline expires on June 18. However, the SSC will be maintained until the action plan has fully achieved its goal.

The ICAO President reportedly acknowledged Thailand’s determination to address its aviation issue and revealed a plan to use the case of Thailand as an example for other countries to study. He also expressed hope that the amendment of aviation-related laws will be completed within the current government.

[dru2]

Another one add to Prayuth's list of achievements

You are a tiresome, predictable and boring person.

This cannot be laid at the door of Prayuth, nor Yingluck, nor Thaksin.

It's an endemic national problem.

Didn't Prayuth say he would use article 44 to solve the issue before the deadline, that has now passed?

Talking about some boring people...............

That is exactly what I was referencing. It's a long-standing, perhaps incurable national problem.

[Anthony5]

Another one add to Prayuth's list of achievements

You are a tiresome, predictable and boring person.

This cannot be laid at the door of Prayuth, nor Yingluck, nor Thaksin.

It's an endemic national problem.

Didn't Prayuth say he would use article 44 to solve the issue before the deadline, that has now passed?

Talking about some boring people...............

That is exactly what I was referencing. It's a long-standing, perhaps incurable national problem.

So you agree that he was just wasting his breath, as usual, when he said he would solve the issue within 90 days?

[jabis]

Another one add to Prayuth's list of achievements

You are a tiresome, predictable and boring person.

This cannot be laid at the door of Prayuth, nor Yingluck, nor Thaksin.

It's an endemic national problem.

Didn't Prayuth say he would use article 44 to solve the issue before the deadline, that has now passed?

Talking about some boring people...............

That is exactly what I was referencing. It's a long-standing, perhaps incurable national problem.

It certainly isn't incurable problem - it just takes some balls to implement.

International standards are not as far away as they'd like you to believe - it's just the overseeing part, the regulatory body, and self monitoring that is lacking from most of the low-cost carriers, that is the problem. Each of these points would need to be addressed, and perhaps will, but the timelimit "per Thainess" was quite ridiculous - hopefully the red flag will awaken the power wielding individuals to see that something must be done accordingly.

.... And for the regulatory body - perhaps some individuals need to shift positions, so that we can enjoy safe travels in the future....

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

He added that this was not a matter of serious concern as concerned Thai authorities have been trying to solve the problem.

It's exactly that kind of careless attitude on the part of Thai authorities that has gotten them red carded in the first place.

They had the chance, they had lots of chances, to fix their problems, but never did. And now it seems their time and patience with their inaction has run out.

[RubbaJohnny]

Isn't it saying that the bureaucrats have failed to oversee safety. Ipso facto , no one can say the aviation system is safe. Is that not the same issue that led to the banning of Indonesian carriers, including Garuda, from European airspace back in 2007? Sounds like it has the potential to be serious unless it's sorted quick smart.

Money motivates,once insurers advise that they won't cover certain airlines sales will fall and somebody will realize the real world is pro active about safety.

[nottocus]

The ICAO is not my father.

[ExPratt]

Another one add to Prayuth's list of achievements

You say that but I did notice there were not so many Hawkers between Sukhumvit soi 11 and 17. Bringing Happiness (But not necessarily safe air travel ) to the people

[Lupatria]

(THAI) today announces that it operates with the highest safety standards in all operational areas.

So,- who do you trust?

[aussieinthailand]

Thaksin was working behind the scenes to get the red flag flying.

It's all thaksins fault. ?

To bloody right mate,,,,,, Thaksin's fault for sure, he's bought off a bunch of people hasn't he, well that's according to all the haters,

Any thing that has gone wrong Thaksin's to blame.

Any thing that can go wrong tomorrow Thacksin again.

[tigermonkey]

Lurking behind this ICAO crisis is yet another disaster in the making. In July (yes, next month), the United States FAA is due to perform a comprehensive safety audit of Thai aviation and carriers. If Thailand fails that audit, all Thai carriers will be banned from United States airspace indefinitely.

Perhaps not a big deal for Thailand, but such a ban would surely draw an audit from the Europeans, which would probably draw an equivalent ban from them.

It could require many years to recover from this crisis..

[rijit]

Lurking behind this ICAO crisis is yet another disaster in the making. In July (yes, next month), the United States FAA is due to perform a comprehensive safety audit of Thai aviation and carriers. If Thailand fails that audit, all Thai carriers will be banned from United States airspace indefinitely.

Perhaps not a big deal for Thailand, but such a ban would surely draw an audit from the Europeans, which would probably draw an equivalent ban from them.

It could require many years to recover from this crisis..

Time for the junta to start waving the red flags RAPIDLY me thinks as i'm sure they wouldnt like to be remembered as the government that instigated the demise of bangkok as THE hub of asian air traffic, just imagine

rijit

[billd766]

You have to love any red flag waved at this junta. Isn't red a forbidden colour in Thailand right now?

Absolutely correct to blame this government for not getting it right.

Also absolutely correct to ignore the fact that it has been going on for a long time under other "elected" governments but that would mean the blame would have to be shared and we can't have that, can we.

[mark131v]

The other 12 states with red flags on the ICAO's 187 member-countries list: Angola, Botswana, Djibouti, Eritrea, Georgia, Haiti, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Malawi, Nepal, Sierra Leone and Uruguay... according to another publication...

The company you keep...

Says it all really.....

[Jay Sata]

In typical Thai fashion the DCA stick its head in the sand.

The move came as a complete surprise to the Thai aviation industry, with Transport Minister Prajin Juntong suggesting on Tuesday that the ICAO had agreed not to post any information over Thailand's shortcomings...

In other words keep the report a secret.

Just like the the flooding in Bangkok here is another example where recruiting good people internationally would have prevented this loss of face.

Edited June 19, 2015 by Jay Sata

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The move came as a complete surprise to the Thai aviation industry, with Transport Minister Prajin Juntong suggesting on Tuesday that the ICAO had agreed not to post any information over Thailand's shortcomings...

I so love the habit that Thai government officials seem to have of liking to speak on behalf of OTHER countries and agencies, telling the world what the others supposedly said or will do.

Only problem is, what the Thai folks are spouting often bears little resemblance to the truth.

Wish they would just confine their remarks to THEIR own opinions and what they're going to do -- and leave the other entities to speak for themselves.

Edited June 19, 2015 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[ExPratt]

The move came as a complete surprise to the Thai aviation industry, with Transport Minister Prajin Juntong suggesting on Tuesday that the ICAO had agreed not to post any information over Thailand's shortcomings...

I so love the habit that Thai government officials seem to have of liking to speak on behalf of OTHER countries and agencies, telling the world what the others supposedly said or will do.

Only problem is, what the Thai folks are spouting often bears little resemblance to the truth.

Wish they would just confine their remarks to THEIR own opinions and what they're going to do -- and leave the other entities to speak for themselves.

There was an article the other week think it Was transport Minister , Said he'd spoken to US bloke Murphy an he asked for a "Slice of the Cake" for Thai Railway construction projects and the FDA were going to help them out with the airline problem. I don't know where they get it from its just Rumours and hearsay

[kkerry]

A Thai official "explains" everything to their foreign counterpart and thinks the "problem" is no longer a problem

The foreigner will listen to the explanation, but then goes away and does their job based on the facts at hand.

[phoenixdoglover]

Human Trafficking, Fishing Violations, and Air Industry Safety could be the trifecta.

I wonder if an elected government in Thailand would be given just a bit more slack.

[Langsuan Man]

Post #16 is a little too busy for me, but CNN puts it more succinctly; Thailand joins these luminaries:

In addition to Thailand, only 12 other nations are red flagged by the ICAO --- Angola, Botswana, Djibouti, Eritrea, Georgia, Haiti, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Malawi, Nepal, Sierra Leone and Uruguay.

source: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/19/travel/thailand-aviation-safety/index.html?eref=edition

[BusyB]

"He added that this was not a matter of serious concern as concerned Thai authorities have been trying to solve the problem."

Utterly bluddy amazing!

This is really the pits.