Who can answer this question about Honda Waves?

[chriswnospam]

Hi,

What person or shop could tell me which model years of Wave 100 or 110 (and other bikes with the horizontal engines) have the modern 3-bolt pattern where the engine mounts to the frame (same as CRF110F), and which model years had or have the older 2-bolt pattern (same as Z50 and CT70/ST70/Dax)?

Thanks!

Edited June 28, 2015 by chriswnospam

[ktm jeff]

First , i would try a friendly Honda dealer (main dealer ? ) and look through the manuals or microfiches .They may have changed the bolt patterns on different years , depending on engine sizes . What you building ? .

[chriswnospam]

Thanks, Jeff!

My goal is to obtain at least three Wave 110 or Nice 110 engines for some of my Honda Daxes (although I'd like to obtain more engines so I can sell them to fellow enthusiasts). If I have to, I'm prepared to buy bikes, remove the engine, and sell the rest to a bike shop or bike dismantler.

I am in USA and am prepared to go over there to get three bikes/engines for myself (naturally, I would make it into a vacation too ). But ideally I could establish a contact in Thailand who I could pay to obtain engines for me and ship them to me.

My two concerns are 1) getting ripped off, and 2) getting engines with counterfeit Honda parts. I've been told by MANY Thai people that Thais tend to run their Waves until they break, and do not do the frequent oil changes that are more common here in America; then when the bikes finally wear out or break, they are repaired with knockoff parts or aftermarket parts. So, I would prefer to buy as new and unmolested a Wave as possible in order to increase the likelihood of getting an all-Honda engine.

Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated!

Edited June 28, 2015 by chriswnospam

[thaiguzzi]

$2-300 Lifan 110-140 engines bought in the USA brand new, delivered to your door. If original looks are recquired, fit some outer covers on that say Honda.

[technologybytes]

I would not worry too much about copy parts if the bikes are not too old.

If you are coming here yourself its hard to see how you can get ripped off as such. Whilst shipping the engines into USA may be no trouble, you may need to show the registration book(s) to take the engines out of Thailand. A good shipping agent can advise you on that.

The new Lifan engine seems like an obvious choice though.

[chriswnospam]

Thanks for your responses, guys! I appreciate them.

I have lots of experience with Lifans and they are available locally to me. I found that, just as I read, they have many downsides over genuine Hondas. They are much weaker, make less power than a Honda of equivalent size, and replacement parts aren't available. The only advantage is price and I'm not looking for a cheaper, less reliable engine.

Since switching back to using genuine Honda parts and engines I have FAR fewer problems. So, now I am going to swap out my small Hondas (70's and 100's) for 110 cc Hondas. That's why I need to learn which Honda bikes of which years, have engines that will drop into my frames without modification.

Anyone who can steer me toward a horizontal Honda specialist or race shop I'd greatly appreciate it!

Thanks again,

Chris

Edited June 29, 2015 by chriswnospam

[minikev]

If you go to any cop shop they will tell you who gets all the bikes after they have been thrown down the road. These are sold for spares. As there are a huge amount of new waves on the road here there should be plentifull supply of newish engines available.No problem with export as you will get an official receipt.

[thaiguzzi]

Those Lifan engines will comfortably run 50k kms without looking inside the motor. Basic routine maintenance ie OIL CHANGES is pretty much all they need. Oh, and not being stupid. Check out the half a million odd overloaded tuk tuks in this country, all running a Lifan engine. The bad rep comes from the USA and UK pit bike scene; dad's bought the kiddie a present in the shape of a 110 pit bike, it is thrashed mercilessly to within an inch of it's life every time it is run, often cold, and often with 125kg dad on board...

[ktm jeff]

If you want to keep it all Honda , then do so , i understand that , but did you know Honda uses many parts from companies that supply Lifan - bearings etc . I would go with a more powerfull / modern Lifan 140 anyday , with spares available via the internet . Many "race" shops in Thailand will give advice and be able to sell / ship new engines . If a 150cc Lifan engine can do 50,000 KMS , pulling a 7 seater taxi / trike in the heat of Thailand , with minimal maintainence , i know what id be investing my money in .

[casualbiker]

http://www.faddybike.com/static/monkeyengine.htm

[chriswnospam]

Guys, don't take this the wrong way but in my opinion, stating that Lifans will - not may, but will - run 50,000 km trouble free is a pipe dream.

If you personally have had that experience, great. As I said before, I have lots of experience with Lifans and they are available locally to me. I found that, just as I read, they have many downsides over genuine Hondas. They are much weaker, make less power than a Honda of equivalent size, and replacement parts aren't available. The only advantage is price and I'm not looking for a cheaper, less reliable engine.

Since switching back to using genuine Honda parts and engines I have FAR fewer problems.

As for Lifans not running 50,000 without anything but oil changes, I've never seen it firsthand. Not secondhand, assumed, inferred, or extrapolated, but firsthand. Just because there are lots of tuk-tuks running around doesn't mean you can assume every single one - or even any of them - have never had a single problem. That is a gross and inaccurate exaggeration.

Shift drum stopper bolts come loose and so do clutch retaining nuts; cases break just while kick-starting (and not because someone kicked too hard or tried to start the engine during the compression stroke), crankshafts break, clutch baskets break, some parts wear out far faster than the Honda engines they're copies of, metallurgy often sucks (including pistons, rings, valves, seats, and guides), kick start levers snap, transmissions break, shift stars are so weak that there are aftermarket (non-Lifan) shift stars that are stronger than Lifan ones; and more.

Lifan 140's and 150's are even less reliable than the small displacement ones, including being hard on transmissions.

And, there is a very large variance from engine to engine with Lifans. You can take several different Lifans and operate them identically, and have some fail catastrophically under gentle use while another runs fine.

Even a simple disassembly and comparison of the transmission gears between Honda and Chinese engines shows big visual differences in favor of Honda.

If you choose to replace a Honda engine with a Chinese one, so be it. But I am done with them and have been happier since buying genuine Honda whenever possible.

Thanks for your input.