Israel intercepts Gaza-bound flotilla in 'casualty-free' operation

[Thorgal]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

Legal boundaries are clearly defined between International law and the respective flotilla. The Israeli interception is completely illegal.

Using Hamas in this thread is a false pretext.

Israeli government issued a letter of welcome just to clear itself and to avoid international negative PR.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/pm-netanyahus-letter-to-the-freedomflotilla-of-fools/2015/06/29/

Edited July 1, 2015 by Thorgal

[Seastallion]

Hamas is simply a political party that was elected to govern all of Gaza and was half of the Palestinian government until a few weeks ago. Hamas REJECTED the Arab Peace Initiative and it could not happen without them. Blaming it on Israel is a LIE.

It's not a lie, as you'r so fond of calling any information that you don't like. Israel, under Netanyahu, has shown time and time again that they do not want a two state solution...Netanyahu very recently said as much, explicitly.

Funny how just a few posts ago you were intimating (quite fallaciously) thatHamas is a country, but now you point out it's a political party...Just as Dexterm has been saying all along!

[Seastallion]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

Legal boundaries are clearly defined between International law and the respective flotilla. The Israeli interception is completely illegal.

Using Hamas in this thread is a false pretext.

Israeli government issued a letter of welcome just to clear itself and to avoid international negative PR.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/pm-netanyahus-letter-to-the-freedomflotilla-of-fools/2015/06/29/

Is Jewish Press the Israeli equivalent of The Onion?

What a load of <deleted>.

[Seastallion]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

Legal boundaries are clearly defined between International law and the respective flotilla. The Israeli interception is completely illegal.

Using Hamas in this thread is a false pretext.

Israeli government issued a letter of welcome just to clear itself and to avoid international negative PR.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/pm-netanyahus-letter-to-the-freedomflotilla-of-fools/2015/06/29/

The Israeli blockade is legal under international law, regardless of how often you post to the contrary. Fortunately not all Hamas members have to 'endure' the blockade. Let them eat cake.

ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1435728203.922679.jpg

Are you quite sure that is a true quote?

I seriously doubt that it is, and unless you can find a source, not just this propaganda captioned picture, I suggest you remove it as false information.

[Steely Dan]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

Legal boundaries are clearly defined between International law and the respective flotilla. The Israeli interception is completely illegal.

Using Hamas in this thread is a false pretext.

Israeli government issued a letter of welcome just to clear itself and to avoid international negative PR.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/pm-netanyahus-letter-to-the-freedomflotilla-of-fools/2015/06/29/

The Israeli blockade is legal under international law, regardless of how often you post to the contrary. Fortunately not all Hamas members have to 'endure' the blockade. Let them eat cake.

ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1435728203.922679.jpg

Are you quite sure that is a true quote?

I seriously doubt that it is, and unless you can find a source, not just this propaganda captioned picture, I suggest you remove it as false information.

I thought 'false information' was perfectly acceptable to some of our esteemed members, provided it fits with their agenda of defamation of Israel and Jews in general.

P.s Khaled Mashaal is worth $2.6 billion. Ismail Haniyeh a modest $4million, which still buys a lot of cake.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/gazas-millionaires-and-billionaires-how-hamass-leaders-got-rich-quick/#

[Seastallion]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

Legal boundaries are clearly defined between International law and the respective flotilla. The Israeli interception is completely illegal.

Using Hamas in this thread is a false pretext.

Israeli government issued a letter of welcome just to clear itself and to avoid international negative PR.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/pm-netanyahus-letter-to-the-freedomflotilla-of-fools/2015/06/29/

The Israeli blockade is legal under international law, regardless of how often you post to the contrary. Fortunately not all Hamas members have to 'endure' the blockade. Let them eat cake.

ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1435728203.922679.jpg

Are you quite sure that is a true quote?

I seriously doubt that it is, and unless you can find a source, not just this propaganda captioned picture, I suggest you remove it as false information.

I thought 'false information' was perfectly acceptable to some of our esteemed members, provided it fits with their agenda of defamation of Israel and Jews in general.

P.s Khaled Mashaal is worth $2.6 billion. Ismail Haniyeh a modest $4million, which still buys a lot of cake.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/gazas-millionaires-and-billionaires-how-hamass-leaders-got-rich-quick/#

So he can buy cake...that does not mean you can go putting words in his mouth. It's against forum rules.

[Steely Dan]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

Legal boundaries are clearly defined between International law and the respective flotilla. The Israeli interception is completely illegal.

Using Hamas in this thread is a false pretext.

Israeli government issued a letter of welcome just to clear itself and to avoid international negative PR.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/pm-netanyahus-letter-to-the-freedomflotilla-of-fools/2015/06/29/

The Israeli blockade is legal under international law, regardless of how often you post to the contrary. Fortunately not all Hamas members have to 'endure' the blockade. Let them eat cake.

ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1435728203.922679.jpg

Are you quite sure that is a true quote?
I seriously doubt that it is, and unless you can find a source, not just this propaganda captioned picture, I suggest you remove it as false information.

I thought 'false information' was perfectly acceptable to some of our esteemed members, provided it fits with their agenda of defamation of Israel and Jews in general.

P.s Khaled Mashaal is worth $2.6 billion. Ismail Haniyeh a modest $4million, which still buys a lot of cake.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/gazas-millionaires-and-billionaires-how-hamass-leaders-got-rich-quick/#

So he can buy cake...that does not mean you can go putting words in his mouth. It's against forum rules.

I didn't, I suggest you tweet Thomas Wictor, who claims it to be true, something may have got changed in translation mind, perhaps Falafel instead of cake.

[Ulysses G.]

Speaking o

Hamas is simply a political party that was elected to govern all of Gaza and was half of the Palestinian government until a few weeks ago. Hamas REJECTED the Arab Peace Initiative and it could not happen without them. Blaming it on Israel is a LIE.

It's not a lie, as you'r so fond of calling any information that you don't like. Israel, under Netanyahu, has shown time and time again that they do not want a two state solution...Netanyahu very recently said as much, explicitly.

Funny how just a few posts ago you were intimating (quite fallaciously) thatHamas is a country, but now you point out it's a political party...Just as Dexterm has been saying all along!

Speaking of lies, please point out where I said that Hamas is a "country". One more lie to add to your long record.

Nice try trying to change the subject from the Arab Peace Initiative that Hamas REJECTED, so you can try to blame it on Netanyahu, but It could not be done without Hamas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has actually expressed tentative support for the initiative, saying he accepts the "general idea" with significant caveats.

This information was all in dexterm's link to Wikipedia that totally contradicted his claims about the initiative. Who knows why he would include something so damning to his false narrative, but it makes it easy for me to point out that he is being disingenuous in almost every single post concerning Israel or Jews. Even his own sources contradict him.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

More nonsense. Hamas is the "hostile entity" that the Naval blockade is defending against. This hateful terrorist group is what makes the blockade legal.

[Lissos]

That is precisely why Israel should be building trust with Hamas to crush any nascent IS organisation in Gaza. Don't reward Daesh.

It was predictable that this was going to be the response (Hamas is your ally against ISIS). On the one hand I'm not naive not to know that sometimes you have to work with unpleasant people / regimes (Saudi / Sisi's Egypt) for the bigger picture of protecting wider interests (the enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc) but in this case it is no so clear cut, as Israel also claims Hamas is assisting ISIS. A recent article here mentioned the domestic private Saudi funding of terror groups, while on the surface states are cooperating against a common enemy. That's the risk of such games (as it was having Pakistan as an ally in Afghanistan, while Pakistani elements were assisting the Taliban and their Guerilla war against ISAF simultaneously). Working with Hamas against ISIS will likely lead to similar unwelcome complexity and trojan horse scenarios.

It appears that if Hamas (or elements within it) are assisting ISIS in some kind of -"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" scenario, ISIS may (going by the article I linked to) be preparing to ultimately throw Hamas under the bus once it gets a door prised open. Israel would be better off not stepping into such murky waters.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.

[Thorgal]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

More nonsense. Hamas is the "hostile entity" that the Naval blockade is defending against. This hateful terrorist group is what makes the blockade legal.

Peace activists of Gaza flotilla 3 are not representing Hamas like they've explained themselves to the IDF navy in this footage.

The IDF navy commander had to use/fake the (canard) participation with Hamas in order to commit this act of piracy.

There's no international law that allows the IDF entering a ship at 100 NMiles from Gaza...and surely not to use weapons and taser guns.

Typical Hamas rhetoric is pure off topic in this thread and they're not even mentioned in OP.

All video and sound footage are normally confiscated by IDF (like Gaza flotilla 2) and only - edited- Israeli footage are released for the international media.

Just a good recent genuine and 'clandestine' footage who escaped the Israeli confiscation :

[Ulysses G.]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

More nonsense. Hamas is the "hostile entity" that the Naval blockade is defending against. This hateful terrorist group is what makes the blockade legal.

Peace activists of Gaza flotilla 3 are not representing Hamas like they've explained themselves to the IDF navy in this footage.

No one cares who these activists SAY they are representing. Terrorist groups and their supporters are not known for being honest. The defensive Naval blockade is legal and EVERYONE has to obey the rules.

[Seastallion]

More nonsense. Hamas is the "hostile entity" that the Naval blockade is defending against. This hateful terrorist group is what makes the blockade legal.

Peace activists of Gaza flotilla 3 are not representing Hamas like they've explained themselves to the IDF navy in this footage.

No one cares who these activists SAY they are representing. Terrorist groups and their supporters are not known for being honest. The defensive Naval blockade is legal and EVERYONE has to obey the rules.

No one cares what the IDF SAY, because they are notorious for twist, spin, and outright deceit.

[dexterm]

That is precisely why Israel should be building trust with Hamas to crush any nascent IS organisation in Gaza. Don't reward Daesh.

It was predictable that this was going to be the response (Hamas is your ally against ISIS). On the one hand I'm not naive not to know that sometimes you have to work with unpleasant people / regimes (Saudi / Sisi's Egypt) for the bigger picture of protecting wider interests (the enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc) but in this case it is no so clear cut, as Israel also claims Hamas is assisting ISIS. A recent article here mentioned the domestic private Saudi funding of terror groups, while on the surface states are cooperating against a common enemy. That's the risk of such games (as it was having Pakistan as an ally in Afghanistan, while Pakistani elements were assisting the Taliban and their Guerilla war against ISAF simultaneously). Working with Hamas against ISIS will likely lead to similar unwelcome complexity and trojan horse scenarios.

It appears that if Hamas (or elements within it) are assisting ISIS in some kind of -"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" scenario, ISIS may (going by the article I linked to) be preparing to ultimately throw Hamas under the bus once it gets a door prised open. Israel would be better off not stepping into such murky waters.

No links, no sources. Just totally made up nonsense.

I am no fan of Daesh I think they are barbaric and neither is Hamas...Daesh kills Palestinian refugees and has vowed to try to usurp Hamas in Gaza.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/30/islamic-state-threatens-hamas-gaza-strip

So please don't invent conspiracy theory straw men just so that you have something to attack.

[Scott]

I strongly suggest the trolling, flaming and bickering stop. You will receive suspensions, if you continue.

The thread is about the Gaza bound flotilla, nothing more; nothing less.

[Steely Dan]

Ok, just to reiterate what I wrote earlier, the Israeli blockade is LEGAL regardless of how many times people post to the contrary, though I can see where the confusion comes from when even CNN can't get their basic facts right.

http://honestreporting.com/cnns-blockade-against-accuracy/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

The relevant ruling is the Palmer report of September 2011, from the UN itself.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Steely Dan

[Thorgal]

Hamas has nothing to do with the flotilla operation.

More nonsense. Hamas is the "hostile entity" that the Naval blockade is defending against. This hateful terrorist group is what makes the blockade legal.

Peace activists of Gaza flotilla 3 are not representing Hamas like they've explained themselves to the IDF navy in this footage.

No one cares who these activists SAY they are representing. Terrorist groups and their supporters are not known for being honest. The defensive Naval blockade is legal and EVERYONE has to obey the rules.

The Gaza flotilla 3 has been unlawfully entered and captured by IDF naval forces at +100 Nmiles from Gaza. International waters are outside Israeli jurisdiction. It's an act of piracy.

You've provided an Israeli edited video footage from Gaza flotilla 2 that has nothing to do with Gaza flotilla 3 from OP. This is off topic. The false edited Israeli footages are clearly debunked on YouTube.

According to Israeli claim, Gaza blockade is only covering for Palestinian citizens, but remains still unlawful. The peace activists of Gaza flotilla 3 from OP were not Palestinians. So, there's no hostile entity.

No country in the world acquired AND confiscated extra legal authority inside international territorial waters except Israel...

Even so, Israel has to respect these international conventions !

Furthermore, the flotilla has been directed to the seaport of Ashdod. Ashdod is an international seaport within Israeli occupied Palestinian territory oitside the legal borders defined in the Declaration of Independency of Israel. Any Israeli arrest in this region of international citizens is unlawful under UN regulations.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Thorgal

[Thorgal]

Ok, just to reiterate what I wrote earlier, the Israeli blockade is LEGAL regardless of how many times people post to the contrary, though I can see where the confusion comes from when even CNN can't get their basic facts right.

http://honestreporting.com/cnns-blockade-against-accuracy/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

The relevant ruling is the Palmer report of September 2011, from the UN itself.

ICC ivestigations for the blockade of Gaza and war crimes committed in summer 2014 are still under UN investigation and has not been sentenced yet.

Why providing non relative reports from 2011...ad nauseum...

CNN is not relevant at this stage.

And euh, HonestReporting is a pro Israeli, too biased for this topic, propaganda apparatus...

Edited July 1, 2015 by Thorgal

[Thorgal]

Ok, just to reiterate what I wrote earlier, the Israeli blockade is LEGAL regardless of how many times people post to the contrary, though I can see where the confusion comes from when even CNN can't get their basic facts right.

http://honestreporting.com/cnns-blockade-against-accuracy/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

The relevant ruling is the Palmer report of September 2011, from the UN itself.

ICC ivestigations for the blockade of Gaza and war crimes committed in summer 2014 are still under UN investigation and have not been sentenced yet.

Why providing non relative reports from 2011...ad nauseum...

CNN is not relevant at this stage and is too far from the facts in their reporting.

And euh, HonestReporting is a pro Israeli, too biased for this topic, propaganda apparatus...

To what you wrote earlier: please, don't assimilate or justify any international law or convention with Middle Eastern pastry...Israeli government prohibited chocolate importations into Gaza till end of 2010 due to security and terrorist reasons...so, I'm not surprised to see more and more international pacifists trying to break the unlawful blockade.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Thorgal

[Jingthing]

All in all ... the flotsam and jetsam came, the flotsam and jetsam got peacefully dealt with ... this all added up to pretty much bubkis, didn't it?

I reckon Israel demonizers are very disappointed.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Jingthing

[chuckd]

I might have missed it so, does anybody have the manifest of what sort of relief supplies this so called relief convoy was carrying?

Exactly what were they trying to get past the embargo?

[Thorgal]

I might have missed it so, does anybody have the manifest of what sort of relief supplies this so called relief convoy was carrying?

Exactly what were they trying to get past the embargo?

A solar panel and a nebuliser...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/07/01/did-the-flotilla-to-gaza-have-humanitarian-aid-aboard-or-not/

Quote from link :

"Last but not least,” Ighe said, “the boat is cargo in herself, bound to be donated to a fishermen’s organization in Gaza.”

Edited July 1, 2015 by Thorgal

[ubonjoe]

I strongly suggest the trolling, flaming and bickering stop. You will receive suspensions, if you continue.

The thread is about the Gaza bound flotilla, nothing more; nothing less.

A post and replies to it that violated this warning have been removed.

[Steely Dan]

I might have missed it so, does anybody have the manifest of what sort of relief supplies this so called relief convoy was carrying?

Exactly what were they trying to get past the embargo?

A solar panel and a nebuliser...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/07/01/did-the-flotilla-to-gaza-have-humanitarian-aid-aboard-or-not/

Quote from link :

"Last but not least,” Ighe said, “the boat is cargo in herself, bound to be donated to a fishermen’s organization in Gaza.”

Yes, the sum total of the aid fit into two cardboard boxes, which is at least two more than the Mavi Mamara brought in 2010. 800 trucks a day of supplies cross over into Gaza from Israel. Some 500,000 times what the blockade runners brought.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/197394

Edited July 2, 2015 by Steely Dan

[Jingthing]

It wasn't about really helping.

It was about demonizing Israel.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Jingthing

[Seastallion]

It wasn't about really helping.

It was about demonizing Israel.

Such a glass half empty comment! It was about highlighting the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza. That fact that there IS a blockade.

And that IS helping.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Seastallion

[Lissos]

It wasn't about really helping.

It was about demonizing Israel.

Such a glass half empty comment! It was about highlighting the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza. That fact that there IS a blockade.

And that IS helping.

So it was a PR stunt then, masquerading as genuine aid.

[HenryB]

I'm not hateful, I just stating my view on Israel.
I have both Jewish and Palestinian friends so my statement has nothing to do with religion, there are even Swedish Jews on that ship... this is the 4th time they are trying this, the first time in 2010 the Israelis killed 9 people on the ship.

I am glad you told us you do not hate Jews. And you have Jewish friends

I understand you I have a German Friend who father was a SS Official assign to Guard Hitler

[dexterm]

It wasn't about really helping.

It was about demonizing Israel.

Such a glass half empty comment! It was about highlighting the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza. That fact that there IS a blockade.

And that IS helping.

So it was a PR stunt then, masquerading as genuine aid.

The flotilla achieved 5 things:

1. It proved that Israel is indeed the occupying power

2. Israel is guilty of war crimes by ignoring its duty of care to occupied peoples and practicing collective punishment by maintaining a blockade.

3. Some aid will eventually get through hopefully.

4. Those brave activists demonstrated to the world that Occupied Palestinians are not alone and that many millions do care.

5. Generated negative PR for the repressive Israeli regime.

Successful mission accomplished...and no lives lost. Good.

Edited July 2, 2015 by dexterm